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obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) (4/3/2012 1:14:46 PM)
20 June 1942 _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ subs: Stingray goes for the 4 DD ASW TF that has been effective near Carnarvon, missing with 4 torps. Stingray is also sighted again but not attacked nearby by another ASW TF. Busy sub. Pollack is sighted by CHa sub chasers near Ominato, but not attacked. Once there are enough Type 2 DC DDs around they will form an ASW TF here and the small sub chasers will go to the DEI where the shallow waters will be more kind to the Type 95 DCs. It' encouraging that these are beginning to at least spot the subs first. West Australia: Bettys and Nells hit Kalgoorlie, which has no fighters present currently, heavily damaging the fields. Burma: All is quiet here today. The more quiet days the better right now. China: Sallys are attempting to slow Chinese troops moving into the contended hex near Chihkiang. It's touch and go whether our troops will make it in before the Chinese and get another good attack in. About 40 infantry squads were also disabled by these attacks. It might be 5 days or so before all troops are in position and healed up for the next effort here. Up north the Chinese troops have pulled back into Kienko and the big IJA army is ready to move into the plains. It will take quite a while to get these through. The troops should move about 6 miles a day, and the tanks at 4 miles a day. Arty and engineers will be following up the rear. A holding force of 1,200 AV will wait at the river crossing near Kienko to protect supply lines. With the Chinese low on supply it's doubtful they would even try a crossing here. A small tank force of 3 units has moved into the territory near Kweiyang. They are here to hold the road open. If and when our troops can make the plain, they will most likely have supply problems. They will attempt to make for Neikiang, hoping to join up with the road to Kunming, forming a more clear supply line. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ [image]local://upfiles/37283/E87618173D1A4CC19C9AC83176B44B07.jpg[/image] _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) (4/4/2012 4:44:33 PM)
21 June 1942 _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ subs: No subs sighted near the HI, in the DEI, or near China lately. I wonder if he's pulling back to reorganize. A few spotted by patrols around Truk and Tulagi. Lots are still around Carnarvon, but no attacks either way today. West Australia: Nells again hit Kalgoorlie, dropping 39 hits on the runway plus 5 supply and 7 service shots. I'm sure there are about 75 Allied tractors here that will fix it in about a day, but it feels good in the meantime. China: Sallys begin to really lay the hurt on troops heading for the contested hex near Chihkiang. Hopefully they will be significantly weaker and disrupted when they arrive, and that they will be slowed to after our next attack. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 74th Chinese Corps, at 77,49 , near Chihkiang Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 5 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-21-Ic Sally x 52 Ki-21-IIa Sally x 117 Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 32 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21-Ic Sally: 1 damaged Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 damaged Allied ground losses: 573 casualties reported Squads: 7 destroyed, 49 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 44 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Burma: The Nicks are healing up and will be reposted to Katha in a few days. I'll set them to 31,000 in the hope that this will help against the P-38s, even though they might have trouble getting to any bombing runs lower down. R n D: The Toko will elude us for July, but will arrive one months ahead in August. The Helen IIa will also arrive then. I've bumped production of the Ha-34 engine up significantly, but as it's for now only one factory, it will take a while to build. I'm worried I didn't do this early enough and it may take to long, getting me low on engines for these planes during the next few months. I'll tone down the Helen IIa production if that is the case and make a lot of Tojos as soon as I can. The Tojo has a short window of superiority and I want to take advantage of it. By the spring of 43 the Allies get so many good designs in higher quantities that I'll also keep a lot of research going for the next models, probably around 100 a month. The A6M3a should move ahead to September, and this will become the primary IJN fighter on land and on the sea. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ [image]local://upfiles/37283/0E05010753A1456E915A8825518AB05E.jpg[/image] _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) (4/4/2012 4:56:26 PM)
22 June 1942 _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ subs: Stingray shows up again, this time launching 4 at DD Asagumo. All miss, and there is no return attack. Near Ominato Plunger is spotted again by the CHa ASW TF. No attack. West Australia: At Geraldton 47 Bettys raid the fields and take out one B-339 recon plane and damage 3 Hudsons, as well as putting 28 holes in the runways. No opposition here as I think Jocke is wary to get his fighters within close sweeping range of zeros at Carnarvon. China: Near Chihkiang another 33 infantry squads are disabled by bombing. It looks like we're going to get there ahead of this group, which is shown by our pilots to be three Corps. Burma: Since Katha appears to be the primary target in the Burma area, several AA units will rail up and get ready for the next round. Maybe the radar will help spot the incoming raids earlier as well. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ [image]local://upfiles/37283/1D3CC65A46474E20A379D3C05487145D.jpg[/image] _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) (4/4/2012 5:27:34 PM)
23 June 1942 _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ subs: Subs are flooding into Tulagi from all over the Pacific to concentrate on the area around OZ. I notice while checking through them that about half still have inadequate leaders. Luckily there is enough of a PP stock to change all of these out. Hopefully this will improve our coming operations. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ [image]local://upfiles/37283/7B0DBECFB98D4CAC92F52C0ACC521C1E.jpg[/image] _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Burma: The field is still not quite repaired at Katha, and therefore the Nicks are not yet here. I wish they had been today. First 19 P-40s swept at 20,000, meeting 6 Oscars from nearby bases. The Oscars did surprisingly well, shooting down two and losing one. Later another 18 P-40s arrive and shoot down 2 Oscars for 1 P-40. Not bad. And only one pilot lost for the day. West Australia: The Allies finally decide to take out the troops at Albany and Esperance. Bombardment attacks begin today, showing that our troops are now outnumbered by 4 to 1 in both hexes. Looks like I'll be buying out and rebuilding these units soon. China: Troops rested and ready for the next attack will cross the river quietly and take their places on the line tomorrow and we should attack the following day. It still seems the IJAAF will hold back Chinese forces until the attack. I'm hoping this will be the one, and break this area open. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Historiker -> RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) (4/5/2012 12:33:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert Berlin _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Had a break for the past week while taking students on a tour of Berlin. Amazing city, and incredible history. It was really difficult to feel the history of WW2 today under the Cold War stuff, but it is still there if you look closely. Most older buildings still have the evidence of bullet and shrapnel damage on their walls and columns, but of course most of the city is new after being crushed by the Allied bombing and Russian advance. I didn't get enough of a chance to search things out on my own and I will go back to find more of the history, but I certainly had some good moments of reflection both there and in the air on the way to the city, thinking that I was basically following the route taken by so many men in their planes 65-70 years before. Now back to London and the game. What kind of teacher are you?

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) (4/5/2012 2:06:55 PM)
I teach photography and film. Not a bad job. Also, I did sample some fine German Weisbier! I can't remember the brewer, but it was good. Not much chance to go to the pub though on this kind of a trip.

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) (4/5/2012 2:33:16 PM)
24 June 1942 _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ West Australia: Nells continue to hit Darwin. It's field is consistently 40-60% damaged. A raid of Nells hit Geraldton for 11 runway holes. At Albany the Allies DA and completely take out the 91st Naval Guard. It is bought back and will reappear in Tokyo soon. DEI: Still about 12 dot bases to clean up. I'd better get on it, especially the islands off of Sumatra, before Jocke gets any bright ideas about settling one of them. Lingga is landed today. China: All units are now in place for another attack near Chihkiang. Here is the bombardment for today. I thikn there is a chance for a breakthrough here tomorrow. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 78,49 (near Chihkiang) Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 2525 troops, 177 guns, 163 vehicles, Assault Value = 4946 Defending force 80685 troops, 477 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2391 Japanese ground losses: 5 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Allied ground losses: 28 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Assaulting units: 104th Division 116th Division 40th Division 55th Infantry Brigade 13th Division 22nd Division 39th Division 51st Infantry Brigade 6th Division 53rd Infantry Brigade 12th Ind.Mixed Brigade 18th Division 32nd Division 19th Ind.Mixed Brigade 41st Infantry Regiment 3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment 3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 13th Army 1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment 23rd Army Mongol Garrison Army 21st Mortar Battalion 2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 4th Mortar Battalion 14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion Defending units: 7th Chinese Corps 10th Chinese Corps 26th Chinese Corps 20th Chinese Corps 2nd Chinese Corps 56th Chinese Corps 8th Chinese Corps 9th Prov Chinese Corps 3rd New Chinese Corps 10th Group Army 19th Group Army 3rd War Area 27th Group Army 30th Group Army 25th Group Army 32nd Group Army -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Burma: Two sweeps and a LR CAP were set to go over Chittagong. Following that a bombing group of Bettys escorted by zeros would arrive. Well, somehow it didn't end up like this at all. The LR CAP didn't fly from Magwe, the Oscar sweeps didn't arrive, and the raid got slaughtered. We lose 7 Bettys and 3 zeros to 2 Hurricanes. One sweep did come in afterward, and the LR CAP showed up but did not engage. 21 Oscars met 6 hurricanes and downed 2 of them. Not a great day here. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ [image]local://upfiles/37283/4F9B84F7769C4701AA4FB06CA687BE71.jpg[/image] _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) (4/7/2012 4:56:05 PM)
25 June 1942 _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ subs: Near Ominato Pollack is again spotted. Triton is found near Kushiro. No attacks. KXII attacks our ASW TF near Carnarvon and manages to hit DD Mikazuki with only a 2 torpedo spread. The vessel sinks later in the day. Only the 3rd DD lost so far. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ [image]local://upfiles/37283/6C7BE6B0FDA94969ABA79E48D3838784.jpg[/image] _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ An interesting account of the sinking of the Mikazuki in 1943 at Cape Gloucester by B-25s. http://www.oceanicexpeditions.org/sinking_mikazuki_ariake_text.html West Australia: At Albany another bombardment. The end is near for our troops here. China: Well, almost. Masses of IJA troops poured into Chinese lines today, at great cost, but the ground could not be taken. Another 1:2 attack. 36 infantry squads destroyed and 859 disabled. This is to 206 (304), so not as bad as the casualtie numbers would make one believe. A good chunk out of the Chinese army that will not come back, but another few weeks to prepare for the next assault. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 78,49 (near Chihkiang) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 145875 troops, 1341 guns, 373 vehicles, Assault Value = 4961 Defending force 80669 troops, 477 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2390 Japanese adjusted assault: 3047 Allied adjusted defense: 4783 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 12823 casualties reported Squads: 36 destroyed, 859 disabled Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 56 disabled Engineers: 2 destroyed, 75 disabled Allied ground losses: 3233 casualties reported Squads: 206 destroyed, 304 disabled Non Combat: 10 destroyed, 198 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 39 disabled Guns lost 29 (13 destroyed, 16 disabled) Assaulting units: 116th Division 6th Division 51st Infantry Brigade 53rd Infantry Brigade 32nd Division 22nd Division 55th Infantry Brigade 12th Ind.Mixed Brigade 19th Ind.Mixed Brigade 39th Division 13th Division 18th Division 40th Division 104th Division 41st Infantry Regiment 1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment Mongol Garrison Army 3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 4th Mortar Battalion 13th Army 3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment 21st Mortar Battalion 23rd Army 2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion Defending units: 26th Chinese Corps 10th Chinese Corps 9th Prov Chinese Corps 2nd Chinese Corps 7th Chinese Corps 20th Chinese Corps 56th Chinese Corps 8th Chinese Corps 3rd New Chinese Corps 19th Group Army 25th Group Army 30th Group Army 27th Group Army 10th Group Army 3rd War Area 32nd Group Army -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Burma: At Chittagong the IJAAF surprises the British and Oscars have a field day, giving back a little of what they've been getting recently. Our first sweeps of 42 Oscars with 20 LR CAPing A6M3 meet 15 Hurry IIb and 16 IIc. The zeros don't take part for some reason, maybe because they were set too high? Not sure. Oscars destroy 9 Hurricanes for 3 of ours. 24 more come in later and this time the zeros at least get into the fray, although only a couple of planes. 11 more Hurricanes are lost for 1 Oscar lost to ops. At Katha the Lightings continue their merciless pounding. They met 24 Nicks and 13 Oscars, downing 5 Nicks and 2 Oscars for 2 Lightnings. At least we got a couple. I know they Allies get very few of these, so even a 1 to 3 ratio is good for us if it continues long enough to deplete the pools, and over our territory where our pilots for the most part make it through. After this, (during the busiest day in the air over Burma so far), 48 Marauders showed up shepherded by 24 P-40E. 15 Oscars and 11 Nicks met them, and took down 5 P-40E for no losses, but couldn't get in to the bombers unfortunately. I keep setting the Nicks high, at 31,000 to fight the Lightning sweeps, but it seems then they don't do what they're supposed to and go get bombers. I'll play with this a bit, maybe putting them at 27,000 for a while to see if that's better. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) (4/7/2012 7:30:54 PM)
26 June 1942 _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ subs: Stingray sighted but not attacked near Carnarvon. I-25 sees some more action near Coal Harbor. This time the wrong kind of action. DD Dewey and 3 others drop two solid hits on the sub, and it's left limping back to Adak with 45 (34) float and 38 system damage. I'm hoping she'll get there. West Australia: A DA at Albany comes out 1:7 surprisingly, but with even casualties. About 10 squads destroyed for each side. At least they're taking some troops out with them. PI: Finally getting around to Cebu. The 146th Rgt landed today, but was hit a bit during landing, so might need a week to rest up before trying out the defenses. A recon rat is on the way as well to add some punch. China: Continue to take big chunks out of Chinese units from the air. The healing process has begun for the Central Army. Only one division was really messed up. The others are either above or just below 400 AV. Burma: All quiet after the massive air battles yesterday. Jocke didn't much like the Oscar sweeps and the performance of his Hurricanes. In his words, 'heads will roll!' _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ [image]local://upfiles/37283/356C2AD893E44BBCA5BEEC6E98B00E42.jpg[/image] _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) (4/8/2012 10:55:40 AM)
27 June 1942 _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ subs: A very good day for IJN subs. It's been a while so maybe the changing out of commanders recently is paying off. I-11 finds prey near Addu, taking out xAK Bellerophon with one torpedo. She comes back up and tries for PG Indus as well. No DC attack. Sinking sounds were heard just after. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ [image]local://upfiles/37283/875683796DA44D9FADBB9775AA22209E.jpg[/image] _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Another great looking ship to the bottom. Just began a book about sub ops in the Indian ocean. I knew German subs made it over there. I had no idea Italian ones were active as well. It would have been great to have a few U-Boats running around Karachi. Later I-165 finds a SCTF near Diego Garcia and launches a 4 torpedo spread. Boise takes one of them, but no sinking sounds this time. I-165 takes 13 hits from the resulting DC attack but is miraculously still only at 52 (34) float damage. She'll try to make it back to Port Blair, then Singapore. O-16 misses DD Samidare near Carnarvon. Asakaze and Asugumo both find find Stingray again near Carnarvon later in the day. West Australia: Reports are showing a growing number of Allied forces moving into the Perth and Kalgoorlie areas. Both have over 40,000 troops, and Geraldton has 34,000 now as well. 95 fighters are now listed at Kalgoorlie also, as well as the 56 at Perth. Troops are still moving forward slowly, but I'm having second thoughts about this operation and I wonder if it might be time to let him come at me for a while. It must be the hardest decision as a Japanese player to realize when it's time to pull back. More on that soon. So Pac: Subs are fanning off toward the area south of Tasmania, near Melbourne, and all around NZ and Fiji now from Tulagi. A few are still fixing minor damage. When everything is ready, there will be about 15 subs operating at any one point in the area. China: Lots of troop bombing. One more unit is still moving toward the Chinese blocking stack. It's listed at 29,000 troops so must be one of the gargantuan corps. AV is listed at 4198 to 2685 after the first Chinese reinforcements arrived. One division from Tuyun and some smaller troops including elements of the first two mechanized divisions will be heading this way also. Burma: Great Nicobar now has an engineering unit and Trinkat will have a base force in the next week. An air HQ will go out here to provide the longest coverage distance for torps into the Indian ocean. Once the Tojo comes online in Burma the Tainan group will have it's aces dispersed to the KB, W OZ groups, and So Pac. The two zero groups here will become escorts for the IJN, as they were intended to be. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) (4/8/2012 12:51:57 PM)
28 June 1942 _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ subs: near Exmouth 3 DD put 1 damaging hit on the KXII. More hits are happening now when the air groups are flying over. West Australia: Nells have Darwin up to around 75 damage to the fields consistently, and get supply hits every turn. This place should be ripe for the picking once our troops arrive in about 3 weeks. So Pac: Flights are getting more frequent over Efate, Noumea, and Tanna. These are all still lightly held. If no action commences here before the Zuikaku and Shokaku arrive back to Rabaul with their new radar units installed, some regimental sized units might be placed down here, dependent on PPs. Ndeni will be first to get troops, (it has a base force and small 15 AV SNLF now), then Luganville, then Noumea, then Koumac, etc. The KB will move down to Tulagi once a big shipment of fuel arrives there from Balikpapan in about two weeks. Still out of search range but very close to reaction in either the New Hebrides or New Caledonia, and closer to the Gilberts as well. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ [image]local://upfiles/37283/EF3048DEC33A4E36873A9E2C6E24E8CF.jpg[/image] _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ A large Mavis unit is operating from Funafuti to try and keep a watch on this big 'hole' in the ocean and to give early warnings. It takes quite a few losses from the CAP in Fiji, however. Worth it though as this is the only Mavis unit losing planes right now and there are always enough in the pools. China: Sallys have been reorganized to get closer to the few targets left in China. Changteh is now a level 5 field and Yunan is level 4 with more support railing in. Chungking has been left alone for a while. Once the smaller fields have been given above 50 damage a new Chungking air campaign will begin to start hitting the most supply possible. Burma: Oscars sweep Kalemyo, (where there are 15 units and 38,000 Allied troops!) but don't catch any bits of the Imphal CAP. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) (4/9/2012 12:01:56 AM)
29 June 1942 _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ subs: I-9 near Karachi fired 2 at xAK Slemmestad, but missed. Unfortunate. West Australia: Nells and Betties hit Geraldton today, destroying one Hudson and sticking 56 hits on the runway. China: One more big Corps is moving in relief to the contended hex. While its in the rough more big inks are getting taken off of it by the IJAAF. Over 50 infantry squads again disabled. AV now is 4198 us, 2675 them. Burma: Most bases above Mandalay continue to have supply problems. Lashio is the exception. Nicks are moving to Mandalay to make sure they will fly. PI: Two PTs seem to be hanging out at Busuanga still. I sent two PBs (after changing out their abysmal commanders) to see if they could improve their SC skills. They intercepted but only managed 3 hits on one, which left it on fire. Still, I was curious to see what happened to their experience levels. Unbelievably, in one combat the Ogashima Maru improved crew experience from 27/17 to 27/49! The Tatebu Maru was even better, going from 35/19 to 37/57. Interesting that the ship that has the higher commander leadership score (65) didn't increase exp as much. Based on this I want to start looking at the sub/ASW battles to see if those are also raising exp levels in the same way. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ [image]local://upfiles/37283/7CA230A8542848DB91B3356B9C833DEE.jpg[/image] _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

zuluhour -> RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) (4/9/2012 2:28:13 AM)
....just to let you know I am enjoying the AAR. The photos are a real nice touch; I look forward to more of the story. Head TWIT Zulu HQ

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) (4/9/2012 10:02:18 AM)
Thanks. Sometimes I feel like I can hear an echo in here, so it's good to know some others are reading.

Historiker -> RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) (4/9/2012 10:03:48 AM)
I am reading, too [sm=00000939.gif] [;)]

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) (4/9/2012 10:13:36 AM)
Ha Ha. Thanks. I keep looking over into yours, as well!

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) (4/9/2012 2:54:40 PM)
30 June 1942 _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ subs: E Shimishu finds KXVI lurking near Oosthaven, but no attacks either way. I-164 find a convoy near Colombo, and is attacked by DD Hotspur before getting off a shot, taking two minor hits. Narwhal is spotted near Wake by a PB. KIX launches 2 torps near Carnarvon at 3 good DDs but they all miss. No return attack. West Australia: No action. Very quiet here, as my opponent waits for me to come to him. China: 3 Armor units have been sneaking along to Urumchi in the far deserts. After our earlier experience of SB-IIIs bombing the units on their way, Oscars have been installed in Hami and so far supply has been maintained to keep the units covered. Today they attacked, not knowing at all how this would go. Urumchi has supply and has been unmolested for 6 months, so should have had great defenses. The attack came off better than I could have imagined. With an AV of 120 vs the defender's 161 behind 2 forts, the tanks managed to put 77 infantry units in a disabled state and destroyed 2 with a loss of only 5 units disabled and one destroyed. The troops are only mildly disrupted as well. We should be able to go again in a few days. So it looks like this might be attainable with some patience and barring any strange moves like putting P-40s and B-26s in the base to take us out. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Urumchi (79,11) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 1970 troops, 4 guns, 185 vehicles, Assault Value = 120 Defending force 4881 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 161 Japanese adjusted assault: 46 Allied adjusted defense: 85 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 2) Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), op mode(-), preparation(-) experience(-) Attacker: fatigue(-) Japanese ground losses: 63 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Allied ground losses: 406 casualties reported Squads: 2 destroyed, 77 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled) Assaulting units: 13th Tank Regiment 20th Recon Regiment 15th Tank Regiment Defending units: 259th Brigade 9th Separate Brigade 19th Chinese Base Force 21st Chinese Base Force -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In another deep desert note, the Chinese army vanquished and last seen near Sining has been located (by clicking down the roads out here with a bombing group in Sian. Even though it can't reach them, it can tell me they are there because it locks on and gives the message that they're out of range). It is near the junction of roads to the south of Hami. I'm sure these troops are nearly out of supply, if not out completely, and of no danger. But they could have been had they gotten to Urumchi. I wonder though if they're heading to Kashgar to be airlifted to India eventually. Near Chihkiang the last of the Corps moving here has entered the hex. It has brought the AV for the Chinese up to 2950, which will be hard to crack. I'm considering some other options that I'll detail later. Burma: All air groups have become unable to draw new planes. This is odd because some bases have around 10,000 supply. I have two large TFs on the way to Rangoon with more, but this is causing problems as nearly every group is now understrength. Some replacements have started showing up as far away as Tokyo! It's a long transfer to get them to Burma, and inevitably one of the fragile Oscars succumbs to flying on the way. Any ideas if this is just supply, or does it have to do with the monsoon at all? _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ [image]local://upfiles/37283/7EA8853507104C0EAFC9EF16DCB9399D.jpg[/image] _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

ny59giants -> RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) (4/9/2012 2:59:52 PM)
I may be wrong here, but "I think" you need a base with 20k that is within normal transfer range of that aircraft type to be able to pull in replacements. I have to keep a few bases in the So Pacific over that amount to get replacements. See, I read your AAR and even post occasionally. [;)]

Olorin -> RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) (4/9/2012 3:21:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert Thanks. Sometimes I feel like I can hear an echo in here, so it's good to know some others are reading. Don't despair, there are more readers around here posters. [;)][;)]

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) (4/9/2012 4:58:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Olorin quote: ORIGINAL: obvert Thanks. Sometimes I feel like I can hear an echo in here, so it's good to know some others are reading. Don't despair, there are more readers around here posters. [;)][;)] quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants I may be wrong here, but "I think" you need a base with 20k that is within normal transfer range of that aircraft type to be able to pull in replacements. I have to keep a few bases in the So Pacific over that amount to get replacements. See, I read your AAR and even post occasionally. [;)] Thanks. I appreciate both activities, but especially this advice. Amazing the little things I learn every day still. So there is about 40,000 supply heading into Rabaul over the next few weeks. This should test the theory anyway. I'll make sure at least 20k stays there. I thought the presence of an Air HQ within range was all that was needed, but this is not the case as the HQ at Toungou has a range of 4 and nothing near there (including that base itself) can take replacements currently. So I'll know if the supply works soon. In the meantime a flight of 10 Oscars is on the way to Lashio with 2 actual and 8 ghost pilots, apparently. [;)]

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) (4/9/2012 6:03:14 PM)
1 July 1942 _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Strategy and Tactics: It's time for the beginning of the month assessment of things. I titled this as I did thinking of the situation in SW OZ. I'm pretty sure I bungled the first part of this operation through a lack of aggressiveness and good judgement. Instead of a far-flung operation to locations SE of Perth that I thought based on recon to be very lightly defended (Esperance and Albany), I should have gone right to the most critical base for the whole area, Geraldton. If I had won this base early on, 3 divisions would be fighting for Kalgoorlie while tanks blocked the rail and all units already in the area past this point would be sitting ducks. Instead I misjudged how quickly and in what strength the Allies could reinforce the area, and now I'm stuck with a tough decision. The options are: A. Carry on and send 3 divisions, 4 tank rgts, and 3 snlf units against 40,000 troops in Geraldton with the possibility of reinforcements from Perth (35,000 troops), Kalgoorlie (45,000 troops), or new units just moving over from SE OZ. This while 2 bases in the area have gone above level 6 and can support 4E ops easily now. B. Turn around and get these troops out of the area, leaving a small (400 AV) force of two rgts, 3 snlfs in Carnarvon. Use the airbase mainly for fighter groups and move the Air HQ back to Exmouth to base Netties out of escort range. Because of the road, however small it is, Carnarvon seems vulnerable (within the next few months even) to an Allied advance. C. Leave it all in Carnarvon and fight like hell no matter how much he brings. This is attractive, if seemingly foolhardy. I know the Allies will have a lot of troops soon to throw around. Losing three divisions here does not seem like a good plan, and eventually I would either lose them or they would be ground to a pulp from the air and ground assault. But is the time gained worth it, especially considering that China may in fact be taken completely (or for all practical purposes conquered) by the end of 42. Could this delay the Allies long enough to justify losing these very experienced units and the air crews and other stuff that will suffer here under the onslaught? ---------------------------------------- Of course the reality is that Japan will lose this stuff somewhere, eventually, so is this worth the fight or would it be better to leave lots of smaller speed bumps at Carnarvon, Exmouth, Derby, etc? I will of course build and reinforce these spots, but PPs are at a premium, and I still haven't even had enough to buy out a full division from Manchuria. So these divisions could be placed in separate fortified locations in W OZ and provide good defense for the whole area. Surprise: Jocke just informed me that he has 'a surprise that I'm not going to like at all' coming my way soon. Not sure what this might be. I'm thinking maybe B-24s from OZ hitting Rabaul, or in India hitting Rangoon's industry. Or maybe an invasion of either lightly held islands south of the Solomons or in the north in the Aleutians. The KB is about to rebase to Tulagi as I'm nervous about these things. Shokaku and Zuikaku are days away from finishing their upgrades. The other CVs will wait to do theirs until Hiyo arrives. Then they will go one at a time. In the north 2 CVE and Shoho are in Adak. Patrol boats are out 10-12 hexes in each direction to alert to any actions from the PH area heading up here. Also, several AV/AMC combo groups just arrived and will head into the middle of the Pacific as early warning/raider (suicide) groups to see if they can pick anything off. I will accept losing these for the chance to find a BB heading back to Seattle or a big TF full of troops or fuel. The little CL Yubari and 4 DDs will accompany and sit waiting just out of range to the north, and if something is sighted will go full to try to hit it. Ok. Now for the turn update.[:)]

Historiker -> RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) (4/9/2012 6:12:01 PM)
Whoever knows himself and the enemy can't succumb. Who knows himself but not the enemy will loose once for every time he had won. Who doesn't know neither the enemy nore himself will succumb in every battle. Are you able to muster enough to hold out? Are you able to advance and crush the opposition even if he reinforces? Is it worth loosing a lot of planes and squads to force him fighting in Carnarvon? Your answer to that questions will be the answer for your problem :)

Dan Nichols -> RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) (4/9/2012 6:20:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert Thanks. Sometimes I feel like I can hear an echo in here, so it's good to know some others are reading. Reading, not commenting.

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) (4/9/2012 6:50:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dan Nichols quote: ORIGINAL: obvert Thanks. Sometimes I feel like I can hear an echo in here, so it's good to know some others are reading. Reading, not commenting. Glad you're still stopping in Dan! Any games on the horizon for you?

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) (4/9/2012 7:20:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Historiker Whoever knows himself and the enemy can't succumb. Who knows himself but not the enemy will loose once for every time he had one. Who doesn't know neither the enemy nore himself will succumb in every battle. Are you able to muster enough to hold out? Are you able to advance and crush the opposition even if he reinforces? Is it worth loosing a lot of planes and squads to force him fighting in Carnarvon? Your answer to that questions will be the answer for your problem :) Ha. Now I have not only my own concerns to deal with but this sage advice! I know myself (I think) but I certainly don't know my foe or his capabilities well enough yet. 1. I can hold out for a good long time. I guess I shouldn't worry too much about amphibious invasions behind me in Exmouth or Port Hedland until late 43, when CV superiority kicks in. 2. No. I don't think so. And does this area just give meaning to a bunch of restricted troops that would otherwise have to be bought out to use, thus leaving the US troops to go for So Pac? 3. I simply don't know how much he will bring. If he brings 50-70 4Es and ALL of the good Aussie troops, that's a lot to face. If the deterrent of a big stack of troops is enough to keep him at bay and make him wait or concentrate on another area, then maybe it's a good idea to leave them. Some more thinking is in order.

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) (4/9/2012 8:00:23 PM)
1 July 1942 _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ subs: Tambor duds on xAK Dakar Maru near Tanegashima. Tambor then comes back up and hits xAK Alaska Maru, which sinks later with a load full of supplies bound for Miri. West Australia: Darwin is still under constant attack from 3 bomber groups. It's now been near 90-100 field damage for a while, and there are several supply hits each turn. I've decided to send the troops back from their march toward Geraldton. I may still hole up in Carnarvon for a while, but the attack is called off. I feel better already. I was feeling like I was stretching too far out on a limb, and the quiet of my opponent feels ominous, like he's just waiting until I cross a line and then the all out attack comes. All troops are heading back. A number of amphibious TFs will leave Java to take out at least some troops to build up Exmouth and other spots in W OZ. China: At Urumchi the LR CAP proves its worth. 4 Oscars meet 12 I-16 and 21 SB-III attacking our tanks in Urumchi. 3 I-16 are shot down and 1 SB-II to no losses of Oscars. The bombers hit 3 tanks, destroying one and disabling two. This is a unique Oscar group with 12 planes (+4 reserve) and 30 pilots. It has extra due to its scheduled enlargement in November. This is great for LR CAP as non of the pilots has to go every day, thus minimizing fatigue. So if the Oscars can keep going, we might be able to do this for a while. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ [image]local://upfiles/37283/D4E6FABC10364356898A7B7CA61D1095.jpg[/image] _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ China (continued): I've made another critical decision. The troops that crossed the river and have been battling against dug-in Chinese troops will now swing back and cross to Chihkiang. Another 1,400 AV worth of Chinese troops have apparently crossed slowly through the woods to arrive in the contested hex to bring their totals to 4,200 AV. Our forces will leave recovering units and one crack division here, worth 1,500 AV. The Chinese will simply see numbers and won't know these troops are at only half strength unless they bombard, which they won't do due to supply. If they do, I'd still love an attack against troops with 2-3 forts in the woods against low supply Chinese. We should be able to get 4,800 or so for the shock across the river. This will include elements of the new Armour divisions recently bought out from Manchuria. I estimate there to be 2,500-2,700 AV worth of Chinese forces here, very low on supply. It's another gamble, but there is no way we could move forward in our current position against these new odds. It should be interesting! So Pac: Base force troops head for Ontong Java and Green island to extend the defenses and begin working on a second line extending from Lae to Rabaul to Green Island. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

ny59giants -> RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) (4/9/2012 8:50:13 PM)
Did you and Jocke decide for or against using the modified Pwhex files so you have stacking limits?? I ask as you would not have those huge stacks in China like you seem to be facing.

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) (4/10/2012 12:27:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ny59giants Did you and Jocke decide for or against using the modified Pwhex files so you have stacking limits?? I ask as you would not have those huge stacks in China like you seem to be facing. Ahh yes. We've decided it's a good idea, but both realized it would take some time to work it out. We set a date of August 1 to consider it further. I think both of us would like to not have the stacks in China but are afraid to change mid-play because it's so abstract now anyway there. We both have so much, and if we put the pwhex limits in now where would all of these troops go? It might hurt the Chinese more than me now, which is probably why there is some waiting and discussion going on. We've both talked about how for Burma it will be good, and by the end of the summer things might be far enough along in China for Jocke to go for it.

Historiker -> RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) (4/10/2012 10:32:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert quote: ORIGINAL: Historiker Whoever knows himself and the enemy can't succumb. Who knows himself but not the enemy will loose once for every time he had won. Who doesn't know neither the enemy nore himself will succumb in every battle. Are you able to muster enough to hold out? Are you able to advance and crush the opposition even if he reinforces? Is it worth loosing a lot of planes and squads to force him fighting in Carnarvon? Your answer to that questions will be the answer for your problem :) Ha. Now I have not only my own concerns to deal with but this sage advice! I know myself (I think) but I certainly don't know my foe or his capabilities well enough yet. 1. I can hold out for a good long time. I guess I shouldn't worry too much about amphibious invasions behind me in Exmouth or Port Hedland until late 43, when CV superiority kicks in. 2. No. I don't think so. And does this area just give meaning to a bunch of restricted troops that would otherwise have to be bought out to use, thus leaving the US troops to go for So Pac? 3. I simply don't know how much he will bring. If he brings 50-70 4Es and ALL of the good Aussie troops, that's a lot to face. If the deterrent of a big stack of troops is enough to keep him at bay and make him wait or concentrate on another area, then maybe it's a good idea to leave them. Some more thinking is in order. The first part isn't by me, but by Sun Zu. The questions are my poor understanding of the historic teachings [;)] I think the basic solution one should take out of this teachings are: Are sure about yourself and be sure that you really know about the enemy? To win doesn't necessary mean to win a battle, but rather to achieve your goal. If the goal is to hold a base for a year before the troops are wiped out, you have a tactical defeat, but a strategic victory. But you only turn that defeat into a victory, if you really know yourself and the enemy. These soldiers may be worth the delay, but he may also just block them with a way weaker force than the force you loose. By loosing them, you can't use them anywhere else, and you have to know, that this isn't a problem. He doesn't need overall CV superiority, he only needs local superiority. So I - personally - wouldn't count on such timetables. I've done enough offensive operations in my PBEMs despite overall inferiority. In that case, you propably don't know your enemy, as you expect him to act according to your plans. That has been my weakness in most games. I have anticipated my opponent to play like I wanted him to play... ad2: I don't really think you need the strength to crush his troops there, to crush them. [;)]. You can try to draw in enough enemy troops and then do a smaller additional invasion cutting his suplly lines. In that case, his strong troops will be his weakness, not his strength. A reaction by him on your attack may also lead to an Australian east coast laying wide open. If you can take the east coast with three or four regiments, isn't that something worth considering? Overall, this sometimes seems like coldreading. Whatever Sun Zu said will be right in the end, just because he didn't say somethign specific [:D]

obvert -> RE: Wild Sheep's Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A) (4/11/2012 12:40:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Historiker To win doesn't necessary mean to win a battle, but rather to achieve your goal. If the goal is to hold a base for a year before the troops are wiped out, you have a tactical defeat, but a strategic victory. But you only turn that defeat into a victory, if you really know yourself and the enemy. These soldiers may be worth the delay, but he may also just block them with a way weaker force than the force you loose. By loosing them, you can't use them anywhere else, and you have to know, that this isn't a problem. Even if he brings a strong force, much of it will likely be restricted, thus unable to act anywhere but here without expending points he could use on releasing forces elsewhere. So yes, if I am here at all I'm giving the Allies a free shot at my forces with troops that would otherwise not be utilized unless paid for. Some US forces have been brought in, so this probably counter balances my allowing the restricted forces to become useful. Even in pulling back, now that he is most likely aware of my strengths here, he will most likely feel it necessary to keep a strong assortment of forces nearby, or in fact gather more to try to root me out. So in this way I am accomplishing one of my goals. These troops will not be prepping and staging for Port Moresby or the Solomons just yet. quote: He doesn't need overall CV superiority, he only needs local superiority. So I - personally - wouldn't count on such timetables. I've done enough offensive operations in my PBEMs despite overall inferiority. In that case, you propably don't know your enemy, as you expect him to act according to your plans. That has been my weakness in most games. I have anticipated my opponent to play like I wanted him to play... Actually I should have stated it more like, 'I don't think he'll have the forces to successfully move behind Carnarvon without taking that base before mid to late 43, but if he tries I would be quite happy with that choice of plan.' I'll have Netties nearby, plenty of surface forces and CVs close as well. Any operation that moves before air superiority is achieved will be costly. He may be able to shut down Carnarvon, but most likely not Exmouth and Port Hedland as well Derby. Once committed there would be a fairly long window where not only amphibious landing TFs but also the CVs guarding them would be vulnerable. quote: ad2: I don't really think you need the strength to crush his troops there, to crush them. [;)]. You can try to draw in enough enemy troops and then do a smaller additional invasion cutting his suplly lines. In that case, his strong troops will be his weakness, not his strength. A reaction by him on your attack may also lead to an Australian east coast laying wide open. If you can take the east coast with three or four regiments, isn't that something worth considering? The East of OZ is already well defended, at least well enough to warrant a serious 5-6 Division beginning to any assault there. The idea of landing behind any force that walks up the long road to Carnarvon is an attractive thought though. It is a bit of a cul de sac up there, and a later landing in Geraldton would definitely put a crimp in his plans.

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