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Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (8/18/2012 6:50:31 AM)

Southern China

This is the next area of offensive operations. All the plans are set, all I need to do is finish the northern campaign and then shift the troops south.

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Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (8/18/2012 6:55:54 AM)

Northern China

Canoe abandoned Sian without a fight. He left both his defensive positions in the north. First Nanyang and now Sian. Without a shot being fired. I guess there is some truth to Sun Tzu after all. I think he has made a misstake. He should have left some sort of rear-guards behind. They would have been lost, yes, but it would have taken some time to reduce the defences.

I was not ready to attack Sian for a long time. Perhaps in a month. He would have lost, thanks to my airforce, but still... he is too careless with his supply-bases.

What remains now in the north is to complete the encirclement of Luchnow, mop-up the northern bases and set up good defensive positions around Sian. After that, the troops will head south.

I will try to give the impression that I will attack directly west from Sian, perhaps that will cause Canoe to withdraw his troops even further.

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Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (8/18/2012 7:01:18 AM)

And a picture of the strategic map.

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zuluhour -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (8/18/2012 1:01:44 PM)

I'm getting the impression Dan is very reluctant to lose formations. He will trade ground for units unless he decides they are lost beforehand, a line of reasoning which may leave him with to much earth to deal with and to little time. MHO. I think this most true for his naval assets. In his game with Chez he seldom risked capital units unless his disposable forces achieved success. This may eliminate the surprise move for awile.



witpqs -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (8/18/2012 2:32:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

And a picture of the strategic map.

[image]local://upfiles/1562/CCBE9A9C6B0845D99204BD25885081A4.jpg[/image]

Is that a high pressure system? It's looks like a weather map! [:D]



Justus2 -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (8/18/2012 5:06:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

I'll do a quick rundown of the frontline right now.

April 30th 1942. We are ending offensive operations all over the map now. This marks the high-point of our advance.

India/Burma


[image]local://upfiles/1562/FF515CFC40854C9AB8D1B87187401F85.jpg[/image]


When you say end to offensive ops, do you plan to still liquidate the cut-off bases behind your lines (Imphal, Kohima, Akyab)?



Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (8/18/2012 6:44:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Justus2

When you say end to offensive ops, do you plan to still liquidate the cut-off bases behind your lines (Imphal, Kohima, Akyab)?


Yes, there is still some mop-up actions left. Singapore, Sabang, Burma. And there will be lots of operations in China.



Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (8/18/2012 6:48:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: zuluhour

I'm getting the impression Dan is very reluctant to lose formations. He will trade ground for units unless he decides they are lost beforehand, a line of reasoning which may leave him with to much earth to deal with and to little time. MHO. I think this most true for his naval assets. In his game with Chez he seldom risked capital units unless his disposable forces achieved success. This may eliminate the surprise move for awile.


Yeah, the Chinese army is still undefeated. That means he can launch one heck of a counterattack in the north if he wants to. He must have something like 5k AV moving around between Sian and Lanchow.

I think he has made a crucial misstake though, he must be having real supply problems now. No supplies from northern China, nothing from Sian, Changsha is under siege and nothing can come from India now that I have taken Ledo.



zuluhour -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (8/19/2012 3:23:40 AM)

I would not let him get to comfortable, a feint or two?



Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (8/19/2012 9:26:28 AM)

Amazingly enough, Canoerebel is abandoning Lanchow. That base will fall as soon as my troops can enter the city. Sian and Lanchow, both our primary objectives in the north, given up without a fight.



PaxMondo -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (8/20/2012 4:16:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

Amazingly enough, Canoerebel is abandoning Lanchow. That base will fall as soon as my troops can enter the city. Sian and Lanchow, both our primary objectives in the north, given up without a fight.

I think this was a smart move on his part. I don't think the allies can hold either location, and trying to do so jeopardizes Chungking.



Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (8/20/2012 5:30:15 PM)

3rd of May

Kohima is captured, Imperial Guards moving on to Imphal. No sign of counterattack in northern India. I will probably reinforce up here with a couple of divisions from Singapore after that base has fallen.

Tojo and Helen are in production now. Roughly 200 a/c per month of each sort. In 1-2 months I should be ready to fight a war of attrition up here.

I did a sweep over Vancouver today. Lost 17 Zeros (with rookie pilots) but took down 25 US/Canadian fighters. Im ok with that, I need to bleed off the pilot pools anyway.

I have 4 CVs in position to raid Perth. They are north of Exmouth right now, and will do a speed-run south to see if we can catch any unsuspecting cargo ships.



obvert -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (8/20/2012 6:35:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo


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ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

Amazingly enough, Canoerebel is abandoning Lanchow. That base will fall as soon as my troops can enter the city. Sian and Lanchow, both our primary objectives in the north, given up without a fight.

I think this was a smart move on his part. I don't think the allies can hold either location, and trying to do so jeopardizes Chungking.


I'm not so sure this is best for the Allies. If they are losing supply centers, they should also be losing troops. To save troops by continually retreating creates a larger problem with supply that makes these troops less effective. I am no expert on plain the Allied side, but I'm always quite pleased playing Japan when the Allies retreat in China. Even in poor defensive territory there is too great a possibility that the IJA will attack and get mauled in a 1:2 losing months while the troops regenerate losses.



zuluhour -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (8/20/2012 8:10:18 PM)

I have to agree with Obvert on this one (I'm an AFB!). At your juncture here you may catch TKs hauling fuel from Cape Town right down the east-west hex row. I doubt there would be any escorts except those sent from Perth for the final leg in if he kept some Dutch DDs safe. I never asked how AFBs supply Australia, but I bring in supply and fuel from both east and west and use Perth as a depot for smaller tankers to move the surplus to Melbourne. Happy Hunting!



Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (8/20/2012 10:24:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: zuluhour

I have to agree with Obvert on this one (I'm an AFB!). At your juncture here you may catch TKs hauling fuel from Cape Town right down the east-west hex row. I doubt there would be any escorts except those sent from Perth for the final leg in if he kept some Dutch DDs safe. I never asked how AFBs supply Australia, but I bring in supply and fuel from both east and west and use Perth as a depot for smaller tankers to move the surplus to Melbourne. Happy Hunting!


FWIW Perth has a small, but very useful, shipyard as well. Without it a major sub effort west of Sydney/Brisbane is difficult. And Oz gives VPs for strat bombing.



Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (8/21/2012 6:21:41 AM)

Singapore falls! This is a look at the score right now.

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PaxMondo -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (8/22/2012 12:38:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: obvert


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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo


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ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

Amazingly enough, Canoerebel is abandoning Lanchow. That base will fall as soon as my troops can enter the city. Sian and Lanchow, both our primary objectives in the north, given up without a fight.

I think this was a smart move on his part. I don't think the allies can hold either location, and trying to do so jeopardizes Chungking.


I'm not so sure this is best for the Allies. If they are losing supply centers, they should also be losing troops. To save troops by continually retreating creates a larger problem with supply that makes these troops less effective. I am no expert on plain the Allied side, but I'm always quite pleased playing Japan when the Allies retreat in China. Even in poor defensive territory there is too great a possibility that the IJA will attack and get mauled in a 1:2 losing months while the troops regenerate losses.

The flip side though is disrupted troops consume supply and provide no value in defense. The best scenario for the IJ is when the allies defend forward and the IJ can disrupt troops and keep them that way with continued attacks and air attack. The IJ get on a roll and there is no stopping them. Conversely, if the allies pull back and set up defense in forest/mountains with high bonus and relatively intact troops (granted still low morale and exp) AND are able to survive the initial attack(s), then IJ is in trouble. They have committed large numbers of troops deep into China with no results. Extricating the troops takes a long time, and by then IJ has lost the momentum.


Look over at QBalls AAR right now and you can see the quandry from the allied side. He might still pull it out, but he is in trouble and knows it.



desicat -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (8/24/2012 2:14:37 AM)

So with your CV's heading down to Australia have you given up on the plan to set a trap for him in the Bering Sea?



crsutton -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (8/24/2012 4:20:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo


quote:

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

Amazingly enough, Canoerebel is abandoning Lanchow. That base will fall as soon as my troops can enter the city. Sian and Lanchow, both our primary objectives in the north, given up without a fight.

I think this was a smart move on his part. I don't think the allies can hold either location, and trying to do so jeopardizes Chungking.


Hmmm...I think that the allies will always lose most of china to a determined Japanese opponent. However, these locations must be fought for. It is important to last in china as long as possible. The loss of Chinese units is not all that significant in the end.



Lcp Purcell -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (8/24/2012 5:03:04 AM)

If the Japaneses Army is smart, the Chinese Army can't even repair disruption very well. Probably the only counter for this would be to air lift as many units as possible to supply rich India. Even the AI transfers Ledo to the Chinese command.






PaxMondo -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (8/24/2012 4:26:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: crsutton


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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo


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ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

Amazingly enough, Canoerebel is abandoning Lanchow. That base will fall as soon as my troops can enter the city. Sian and Lanchow, both our primary objectives in the north, given up without a fight.

I think this was a smart move on his part. I don't think the allies can hold either location, and trying to do so jeopardizes Chungking.


Hmmm...I think that the allies will always lose most of china to a determined Japanese opponent. However, these locations must be fought for. It is important to last in china as long as possible. The loss of Chinese units is not all that significant in the end.

Agreed, losing units is not a bad thing.

But highly disrupted units with a many squads disabled is a real liability for china. They consume supply and provide no benefit. If you can defend Sian and get those units totally destroyed, I concede your point. But the more common outcome is ending up with units something like (157)10 Inf with 20% disruption. This plays right into IJ hands .... he can push those all the way to Chungking ....



crsutton -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (8/24/2012 7:07:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lcp Purcell

If the Japaneses Army is smart, the Chinese Army can't even repair disruption very well. Probably the only counter for this would be to air lift as many units as possible to supply rich India. Even the AI transfers Ledo to the Chinese command.







Unfortunately only about an full army corp can be airlifted. Everything else is white restricted and cannot be lifted. Have to do a long march.



crsutton -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (8/24/2012 7:15:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo


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ORIGINAL: crsutton


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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo


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ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

Amazingly enough, Canoerebel is abandoning Lanchow. That base will fall as soon as my troops can enter the city. Sian and Lanchow, both our primary objectives in the north, given up without a fight.

I think this was a smart move on his part. I don't think the allies can hold either location, and trying to do so jeopardizes Chungking.


Hmmm...I think that the allies will always lose most of china to a determined Japanese opponent. However, these locations must be fought for. It is important to last in china as long as possible. The loss of Chinese units is not all that significant in the end.

Agreed, losing units is not a bad thing.

But highly disrupted units with a many squads disabled is a real liability for china. They consume supply and provide no benefit. If you can defend Sian and get those units totally destroyed, I concede your point. But the more common outcome is ending up with units something like (157)10 Inf with 20% disruption. This plays right into IJ hands .... he can push those all the way to Chungking ....



Agreed, but it must be a balancing act. Abandon Changsha, Sian and Lanchow while saving lots of troops just starts the big starve all that sooner. best to hold them as long as you can.



SuluSea -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (8/24/2012 7:46:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

Singapore falls! This is a look at the score right now.

[image]local://upfiles/1562/2B2739E55E9E476998E3566B7DF56423.jpg[/image]


Hi PH, Do you have to buy out restricted units to move across borders?

I'm very interested in what you're doing with Manchukuo Garrison.

I see as of April 30, 1942 the Axis side gets 7,700 PPs , according to your screenie as of May 4, 42 you have 2393 in the bank.

Please don't take this as any kind of accusation and assuming you've done nothing but purchase AV from the Manchukuo I have trouble seeing how Manchukuo Garrison can be minus 3204 AV (at minimum)if the numbers are correct.

It's Friday, I've had some ex-neighbors visiting from out of state and have a nice buzz rolling so forgive me if my math is fuzzy.

Thanks!



Miller -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (8/25/2012 1:16:49 AM)

SuluSea, there are no HR in this game, therefore he does not have to pay PP points to move them into China.



PaxMondo -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (8/25/2012 1:35:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: crsutton


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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo


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ORIGINAL: crsutton


quote:

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo


quote:

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

Amazingly enough, Canoerebel is abandoning Lanchow. That base will fall as soon as my troops can enter the city. Sian and Lanchow, both our primary objectives in the north, given up without a fight.

I think this was a smart move on his part. I don't think the allies can hold either location, and trying to do so jeopardizes Chungking.


Hmmm...I think that the allies will always lose most of china to a determined Japanese opponent. However, these locations must be fought for. It is important to last in china as long as possible. The loss of Chinese units is not all that significant in the end.

Agreed, losing units is not a bad thing.

But highly disrupted units with a many squads disabled is a real liability for china. They consume supply and provide no benefit. If you can defend Sian and get those units totally destroyed, I concede your point. But the more common outcome is ending up with units something like (157)10 Inf with 20% disruption. This plays right into IJ hands .... he can push those all the way to Chungking ....



Agreed, but it must be a balancing act.

That it is ....



Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (8/25/2012 6:48:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: desicat

So with your CV's heading down to Australia have you given up on the plan to set a trap for him in the Bering Sea?


The trap is still under construction. This is what it looks like right now. Im not really expecting an attack in this area yet, but I need to be careful during the summer months that are coming soon, so some CVs are already in place. In the next week I recieve 2 CVs and 1 CVE as reinforcements, and they will fill up this CV unit.

[image]local://upfiles/1562/E58BB5B4C3DE467DA9317345FCAFD4BD.jpg[/image]



SuluSea -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (8/25/2012 6:51:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Miller

SuluSea, there are no HR in this game, therefore he does not have to pay PP points to move them into China.



Thanks Miller, My apology to PH and any of the contributors I confused. Sorry.



Hortlund -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (8/25/2012 6:55:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SuluSea
Hi PH, Do you have to buy out restricted units to move across borders?

I'm very interested in what you're doing with Manchukuo Garrison.

I see as of April 30, 1942 the Axis side gets 7,700 PPs , according to your screenie as of May 4, 42 you have 2393 in the bank.

Please don't take this as any kind of accusation and assuming you've done nothing but purchase AV from the Manchukuo I have trouble seeing how Manchukuo Garrison can be minus 3204 AV (at minimum)if the numbers are correct.


There are no HRs in this game, so I can do pretty much what I want with the Manchukuo-units.

Having said that, most of them are not in China, instead they are in the North Pacific and in Burma. The units that have moved into China are mainly artillery and units that has taken over rear-area security, like watching Shanghai and Peiping etc. The units that are in actual front-line locations are well within normal PP-spending rules. I think I have had two divisions from Manchukuo in actual combat in China.



zuluhour -> RE: Where the eastern wind is blowing... AAR against Canoerebel (8/27/2012 12:33:01 PM)


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nice buzz rolling so forgive me if my math is fuzzy.

Funny, I tend to seek clarity that way.[:D]



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