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Crackaces -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/12/2014 3:07:25 PM)
quote: What say you guys. Its a risky move but it certainly has potential. Erik has been slow to adapt to these armored rushes in China where the CMA has run amok for 3 months now. Most of the armor is on the Western coast. I can have them in Gunzan in two days. Question is if the armor alone can secure and hold there until the infantry arrives. Or am I simply better off staying put and/or try to just engage his superstack in the open? Depends on your objectives and victory conditions [I am reminded that you all are not playing for points] I am of the ilk if you feel confident in your ability to assess adjusted AV including firepower and supply to use just enough force to pin the superstacks in place and then use judicious force to blitzkrieg like you did in China. A strategy of engaging his forces in the open will expend time and space for lots of IJ blood [i.e. LCU points if you are counting] I like option #1 from the standpoint of interdicting LOC's and disrupting the supply pulse algorithm, which from my POV causes deeper strategic supply problems. This takes awhile but once it starts it cascades .... Option #2 is simple .. like US civil war General Grant operational style . line 'em up and attrite .. a lot less to think about ..[8D] How are the Soviets doing?

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/12/2014 5:55:03 PM)
Cool, just got my first two x5 aces. [:)] [image]local://upfiles/32406/64BF6A71C8B4421E8B418DC973D493FE.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/12/2014 6:19:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Crackaces quote: What say you guys. Its a risky move but it certainly has potential. Erik has been slow to adapt to these armored rushes in China where the CMA has run amok for 3 months now. Most of the armor is on the Western coast. I can have them in Gunzan in two days. Question is if the armor alone can secure and hold there until the infantry arrives. Or am I simply better off staying put and/or try to just engage his superstack in the open? Depends on your objectives and victory conditions [I am reminded that you all are not playing for points] I am of the ilk if you feel confident in your ability to assess adjusted AV including firepower and supply to use just enough force to pin the superstacks in place and then use judicious force to blitzkrieg like you did in China. A strategy of engaging his forces in the open will expend time and space for lots of IJ blood [i.e. LCU points if you are counting] I like option #1 from the standpoint of interdicting LOC's and disrupting the supply pulse algorithm, which from my POV causes deeper strategic supply problems. This takes awhile but once it starts it cascades .... Option #2 is simple .. like US civil war General Grant operational style . line 'em up and attrite .. a lot less to think about ..[8D] How are the Soviets doing? Turns out the situation resolved itself. IJA is in full retreat in Korea. I might do something here anyway! [:)] My main goal (personal goal) is to try and achieve AV before the historical date. Probably impossible now with the added losses giving another 10k VPs to the Japanese. I´m also hellbent on breaking the back of the Japanese air force and bomb the industry to the stoneage with a daylight bombing campaign! [:D] The SU are all ready to go. Just waiting for the activation...can´t wait!

Crackaces -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/12/2014 9:37:46 PM)
excellent ... I rather think the IJ have become quite aware of the pickle they are in .. having Billions of AV means little if not supplies .. sure the engine will calculate firepower and results the first attack and then the effects of supply take their toll .. I have found that at least roads and limited roads limit supply to LCU's I am not sure what rail can bring to LCU's in the open ... Supply to bases is very easy to track in WiTP tracker .. LCU supply takes some work that gets tedious once LCU's are engaged .. A side effect is bases suddenly losing supply and not achieving the X2 required to sustain losses and resupply attacks .. Fusan falls and the entire Korean Peninsula gets weird depending on stockpiling settings .. Your opponent might or might not appreciate this behavior .. I suspect if you get an email how borked this game is .. he has encountered this software behavior [;)] [;)]

poodlebrain -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/12/2014 10:31:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister Moppo ______________________________________________________________________________ Looks like we will hold out for a while now! Quite embarrassingly I missed a ID among the troops. So its 5 US IDs and not 4. Whoops! [image]local://upfiles/32406/CD0F8DACE0DF4F3F84579CDDB2BA39FC.jpg[/image] I noticed that you are not expanding the airfield at Moppo. I think you have adequate supply to get the job finished.

JeffroK -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/13/2014 4:49:14 AM)
Dont expect 1st Cav to move too quickly, it basically an Infantry Division with an odd OOB, not a mobile Division.

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/13/2014 4:56:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Crackaces excellent ... I rather think the IJ have become quite aware of the pickle they are in .. having Billions of AV means little if not supplies .. sure the engine will calculate firepower and results the first attack and then the effects of supply take their toll .. I have found that at least roads and limited roads limit supply to LCU's I am not sure what rail can bring to LCU's in the open ... Supply to bases is very easy to track in WiTP tracker .. LCU supply takes some work that gets tedious once LCU's are engaged .. A side effect is bases suddenly losing supply and not achieving the X2 required to sustain losses and resupply attacks .. Fusan falls and the entire Korean Peninsula gets weird depending on stockpiling settings .. Your opponent might or might not appreciate this behavior .. I suspect if you get an email how borked this game is .. he has encountered this software behavior [;)] [;)] Considering supply seems completely out in China I was very surprised to see 500.000 men move into Korea. Just moving around the Manchurian troops must have started a huge supply drain on the system. I´m not sure how bad the situation is for him but every battle in China for the last month have meant a (-) supply for him. Might be that he had a supply reserve on the HI that he intended to use in Korea. But either it wasn´t enough to maintain that many troops or possibly it was drawn away into China? Either way it was a gamble. And if I hadn´t been able to land reinforcements it might have work. Probably not considering all the armor but it might have. It was a bold move so hats off for that. I certainly didn´t expect it and that was a big mistake on my part and I was caught with my pants down. I´ve learned a very good lesson here that I will take with me! [:)]

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/13/2014 5:00:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: poodlebrain ]I noticed that you are not expanding the airfield at Moppo. I think you have adequate supply to get the job finished. Absolutely. I turned it off so they would focus on repairing the AF. This is the first turn its completely fixed. Don´t think they expand anything as long as there is damage but I wanted to be certain. Actually started some forts now instead. I think it will give a little shelter from bombardments? quote: ORIGINAL: JeffK Dont expect 1st Cav to move too quickly, it basically an Infantry Division with an odd OOB, not a mobile Division. Oh, they move at the same speed as an ID? That is a disappointment!

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/13/2014 5:39:22 AM)
8th June -45 ______________________________________________________________________________ Interesting turn. No IJAAF offensive missions over Korea today. ------------------------ Korea ------------------------ Not one Japanese Sweep flown today! Still 350 Fighters at Fusan. The Japanese Superstack in the clear has pulled back to Gunzan. I´ll move up there and see what I can find. Its a clear hex and it just might be possible to do some damage depending on forts. I let the Fighters stay for one more day at Moppo to provide LRCAP for a landing on Saishu To. This in one of the lessons learned. When I landed at Moppo I didn´t have room for that ID and was reluctant to try and cover two landings at the same time but in hindsight I should have gone for it anyway. Having two bases instead of one would have made things a lot easier. Erik has flown in some troops to the island (x2 terrain) but the 4Es paid a visit this turn. quote: Afternoon Air attack on 11th Ind.Mixed Regiment, at 99,55 (Saishu To) Weather in hex: Thunderstorms Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 6 minutes Allied aircraft Liberator B.VI x 17 Liberator GR.VI x 9 B-24J Liberator x 9 Spitfire VIII x 13 B-17E Fortress x 2 B-17F Fortress x 3 B-24J Liberator x 46 F4U-1D Corsair x 13 PB4Y-1 Liberator x 17 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 756 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 41 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 64 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled Guns lost 26 (1 destroyed, 25 disabled) Given the damaged caused despite bad weather I don´t think there is much in way of forts. My ID is split though. This is because 2 of the parts upgraded with the 57mm AT gun. There are guns in the pool now but I´m not sure it will upgrade at an enemy base despite having a Command HQ one hex away. Anyone knows? Here is the defensive bombardment. I will probably have to let the bombers soften them up some more unless I can combine the ID. quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Saishu To (99,55) Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 4181 troops, 72 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 112 Defending force 10396 troops, 213 guns, 212 vehicles, Assault Value = 368 Japanese ground losses: 103 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Assaulting units: 11th Ind.Mixed Rgt /2 108th Ind.Mixed Brigade 2nd Amphibious Bde /1 Defending units: 40th Infantry/A Div /1 40th Infantry/B Div /1 40th Infantry/C Div /1 I will pull the CAP from Moppo this turn. I can´t defend properly against Bombardments right now and I don´t want to lose any planes on the ground. My Fleet can´t hang around anymore. I lost 70 planes when the CVs tried to hit a CL at Nagasaki and fuel is low in all the TF and the oilers and AEs are dry. I need to head back to Okinawa and replenish. ------------------------ China ------------------------ More good news here. The attack at Changsha went very well! [&o] quote: Ground combat at Changsha (82,52) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 60057 troops, 1024 guns, 2050 vehicles, Assault Value = 2783 Defending force 31866 troops, 298 guns, 33 vehicles, Assault Value = 702 Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 4 Allied adjusted assault: 1701 Japanese adjusted defense: 819 Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 4) Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 4 [&o] Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-) experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 1722 casualties reported Squads: 218 destroyed, 109 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 48 disabled Engineers: 7 destroyed, 21 disabled Guns lost 38 (11 destroyed, 27 disabled) Vehicles lost 4 (2 destroyed, 2 disabled) Allied ground losses: 1412 casualties reported Squads: 7 destroyed, 83 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 38 disabled Engineers: 2 destroyed, 26 disabled Vehicles lost 38 (2 destroyed, 36 disabled) Assaulting units: 17th Motorised Division 18th Cavalry Regiment 50th Tank Brigade Guides Cavalry Regiment Gardner's Horse Regiment 19th Motorised Division Provisionl Tank Brigade 254th Armoured Brigade 6th Australian Division 3rd Cavalry Regiment 255th Indian Tank Brigade 11th PAVO Regiment 9th Australian Division 14th Army 2/9th Field Regiment 2/11th Field Regiment 2/13th Field Regiment Defending units: 35th Division 65th Brigade 32nd Division 51st Division 58th Infantry Regiment 5th Ind.Mixed Brigade 63rd Division 13th RGC Temp./B Division 56th Const Co 8th Ind. Field Artillery Battalion 54th JAAF AF Bn I need to rest for a day to let supply flow in and the troops recover some DIS but I´m confident Changsha will fall within 2 weeks. Good news! [:)] ------------------------ Logistics ------------------------ The last of the fuel shipments have arrived from the WC. I won´t send any more now. I have 800k fuel at Naha and another 500.000 at Manila. I also have another 600.000 aboard oilers and another 650.000 aboard tankers waiting to unload. Production is going well in the DEI and there is about 500.000 at Palembang, Soerabaja, Balikpapan and Tarakan. Local production will be able to maintain me. Supplies will continue to flow from the WC for the rest of the game. I´m barely keeping up with demand and I am currently burning about 1-1,5 million per month! Another 4 million more are coming in the next month but I wanted to earmark 2 of those to the SU. ------------------------ Strat Bombing ------------------------ Fires continue to burn as Osaka and another 50 HI and 30 LI are burned down. Only 120 fires left now though. We will fly another mission tomorrow. Not at Osaka though! [image]local://upfiles/32406/9460084C583248B595BF245087E0EC27.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/13/2014 6:43:34 AM)
China ______________________________________________________________________________ Here is the current situation. With the isolation of the Canton stack there are no longer any significant Japanese forces in China besides 75.000 troops at Shanghai. As soon as Changsha is secured the CMA will race East. I also have a little surprise planned in the next month. On a personal level nothing in this game has been so satisfying as wiping out Japanese forces in China. Playing the allies here in 42 was (and is) an never ending exercise in frustration. Once supply runs out there is nothing you can do. At least it turned out the same way with the roles reversed. I didn´t even need the Chinese to clear it out. It shows just how easily anything crumbles once supply runs out. I understand the difficulties with balancing this but having more balance in this theater could actually make it quite fun for both sides to play. Here is a map. [image]local://upfiles/32406/0A2DC56442AA47B8B58880C03C023783.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/13/2014 6:50:26 AM)
DEI ______________________________________________________________________________ Here is a screen. No real combat has been happening here for months. Erik just left a very small rear guard at Palembang and despite the level 9 forts it was quickly overcome. Singers is the last bastion but I don´t think I have troop to retake it. [image]local://upfiles/32406/A37936815B9F4433B20F7950F57D3A0F.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/13/2014 8:06:30 AM)
Japanese Industry (Updated) ______________________________________________________________________________ Here are the adjusted numbers. ------------------------ Fighters ------------------------ Ki-83r Frank: 178 (-200) A7M2 Sam: 256 J2M5 Jack 145 (-50) Ki-83: 22 (-40) Ki-44 Tojo: 111 N1K2-J George: 72 Ki-100-I Tony: 67 Ki-102c Randy: 73 Ki-43-IV Oscar: 153 J7W1-Shinden: 30 (-60) Total Fighters per month (found so far): 1030(-350) ------------------------ Things to note ------------------------ A7M2 Sam: Erik has lost a heap of this plane in the last month. Total losses are 1600. The first sighting of this plane was on 1/45 (probably started producing a lot earlier though). But that would give 1500 planes produced from 1/45. So depending on when actual production started he could be getting low. Ki-83: Showed up in 2/45. 90 plane production would give 540 planes produced. Only 200 destroyed. Good pool of those in other words. J7W1 Shinden: Not yet seen on map. Due to arrive 6/45. Only 30 production remaining. Ki-83r: Going only by what Erik told me he has a good pool of those. Still over half the production capacity is gone and we have shot down 1400. That is only 3 months of production though. Little hope that these are running low. ------------------------ Priority Targets ------------------------ I will continue to strike at Eriks fighter production. Right or wrong I´m now committed to that road. In order of priority: Shinden Ki-83 Frank Sam

witpqs -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/13/2014 2:18:58 PM)
Units must be in a friendly base for their devices to upgrade, and 'upgrade' must be on. No HQ influence needed. There must also be adequate supply, and I am sure that they have to pass various Grigsby checks! [:D]

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/13/2014 2:21:53 PM)
I was afraid of that! Thanks witpqs! [:)]

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/13/2014 7:23:37 PM)
9th June -45 ______________________________________________________________________________ Very quiet turn. Especially compared to the last weeks! ------------------------ Korea ------------------------ I expected a bombardment at Moppo during the night and true enough... quote: Night Naval bombardment of Moppo at 100,54 Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses PBY-5 Catalina: 12 damaged PBY-5 Catalina: 1 destroyed on ground P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 4 damaged P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed on ground PBM-3D Mariner: 3 damaged PBM-3D Mariner: 1 destroyed on ground Japanese Ships BB Hyuga BB Ise BB Fuso BB Mutsu Allied ground losses: 762 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 29 destroyed, 47 disabled Engineers: 60 destroyed, 37 disabled Guns lost 5 (2 destroyed, 3 disabled) Vehicles lost 40 (19 destroyed, 21 disabled) Manpower hits 2 Fires 2792 Airbase hits 12 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 36 Port hits 1 Port supply hits 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Naval bombardment of Moppo at 100,54 Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses PBY-5 Catalina: 1 damaged PBY-5 Catalina: 1 destroyed on ground PBM-3D Mariner: 5 damaged PBM-3D Mariner: 1 destroyed on ground P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 1 damaged P-47N Thunderbolt: 1 damaged P-47N Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed on ground Japanese Ships BB Musashi BB Yamato Allied ground losses: 318 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 4 disabled Engineers: 25 destroyed, 3 disabled Guns lost 5 (4 destroyed, 1 disabled) Vehicles lost 6 (5 destroyed, 1 disabled) Manpower hits 1 Fires 5571 Airbase hits 3 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 20 Port hits 2 Port fuel hits 1 I had moved everything out that could fly and only lost 2 planes on the ground. Interestingly enough the level 3 forts seemed offer so protection. Troops disruption is only in the 20s and the airfield is still open with only 23 damage. Good news! [:)] The day cost Erik a little bit too as DD Take is sunk for unknown reasons. Probably a collision. quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Moppo at 100,54, Range 16,000 Yards Japanese Ships DD Take, and is sunk DD Nara Allied Ships PT-316 PT-317 PT-318 PT-319 PT-320 PT-321 PT-322 Another 4E strike at Saishu-To. With better weather the results are considerably better. I suspect the base will be secured tomorrow. quote: Morning Air attack on 11th Ind.Mixed Regiment, at 99,55 (Saishu To) Weather in hex: Light rain Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 6 minutes Allied aircraft Liberator B.VI x 26 Liberator GR.VI x 16 B-24J Liberator x 3 B-17E Fortress x 5 B-17F Fortress x 5 B-24D Liberator x 3 B-24D1 Liberator x 11 B-24J Liberator x 116 B-25J11 Mitchell x 5 PB4Y-1 Liberator x 9 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 1583 casualties reported Squads: 25 destroyed, 85 disabled Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 150 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled Guns lost 22 (8 destroyed, 14 disabled) The Fleet will reach Naha tomorrow and replenish planes and fuel. I hope to get going again in 3-4 days. We will bring more troops to Moppo as well as BFs and Engineers to Saishu-To. ------------------------ China ------------------------ Scattered attack here. Not much of interest. ------------------------ Strat bombing ------------------------ Strikes rained in. [image]local://upfiles/32406/C967C850400F4F318808142495173D51.jpg[/image]

zuluhour -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/13/2014 10:12:17 PM)
This part of the game is so foreign to me, for the most part I only gape at your AAR. Your getting close to the "device". Do you plan to use it?

DOCUP -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/13/2014 11:11:43 PM)
Congrats on getting married. Keep up the good work.

Capt. Harlock -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/14/2014 3:39:00 AM)
quote: I had moved everything out that could fly and only lost 2 planes on the ground. Interestingly enough the level 3 forts seemed offer so protection. Troops disruption is only in the 20s and the airfield is still open with only 23 damage. Good news! Yes, but -- do you smell smoke? (Fires 5571)

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/14/2014 6:11:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock quote: I had moved everything out that could fly and only lost 2 planes on the ground. Interestingly enough the level 3 forts seemed offer so protection. Troops disruption is only in the 20s and the airfield is still open with only 23 damage. Good news! Yes, but -- do you smell smoke? (Fires 5571) Yes, but the only burn a couple of thousand supply. Its hard to tell how much as some were drawn by the troops. But I think I lost 2-3000 supply by those fires (which are out now). Considering I have half a million supply I´m not very concerned with them. [:)] Main worry is keeping the airfield open which seem to be working a lot better with the extra equipment and engineers landed. Fields are completely fixed and disruption is down in single digits. [:)]

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/14/2014 9:08:19 AM)
I just got the last turn back for a while. Erik is off to OZ for 9 days and opted not to bring his computer. Can´t say I blame him... [:)] I´ll update the AAR with the last turn today or tomorrow. Then I will just have to try and fill it with nonsense until Erik is back! [:D] Have to rethink how I do the strat bombing campaign. Losses are too high at the moment as I lost another 44(!) 4Es last turn. I have to stop relying on the Sweeps to arrive first. And I can´t bomb multiple targets in the same turn. Most of my escorts attached themselves to the Saishu-To bombings and even a sweep (never seen that before) despite having a target over the HI set. So back to the drawing board!

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/14/2014 10:17:08 AM)
10th June -45 ______________________________________________________________________________ Very quiet turn! ------------------------ Korea ------------------------ No action at all in or over Korea today. The bulk of the allied forces are moving towards Gunzan. The defenders at Masan are reinforced by the 2nd USMC division. I now feel confident to hold this position. I will try an bombardment here once we are snug and dug in. I want to try and burn Japanese supply in counter battery fire. Moppo is completely open again. Not a point of damage. Troops have recovered nicely and disruption is in singel digits. Only 6 damaged planes remain at the base. The level 3 forts seem to have made a big difference. I don´t know if Erik will try any bombardment here again. I don´t think there is much point for him in doing so. At least as long as he doesn´t destroy any planes and I´m not using the airfield. No allied planes will be stationed here until the fleet can return and guard against bombardments. The Fleet is one day from Naha. Saishu-To is easily secured after the 4Es blast 1500 more defenders. quote: Ground combat at Saishu To (99,55) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 10575 troops, 213 guns, 212 vehicles, Assault Value = 388 Defending force 867 troops, 32 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 18 Allied adjusted assault: 272 Japanese adjusted defense: 1 Allied assault odds: 272 to 1 (fort level 0) Allied forces CAPTURE Saishu To !!! Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), preparation(-) experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 719 casualties reported Squads: 63 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 14 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 15 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 34 (34 destroyed, 0 disabled) Units destroyed 2 Allied ground losses: 9 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled The fleet will obviously bring BFs and loads of Engineers back with the to get the base operational. Potential level 6 airfield can never be bad thing! [:)] ------------------------ China ------------------------ After a second day of attacks in the mountains Tsuyung might actually be on the verge of collapsing. I did not expect that. Good news! [:)] quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Tsuyung (68,46) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 42705 troops, 870 guns, 538 vehicles, Assault Value = 836 Defending force 22917 troops, 307 guns, 78 vehicles, Assault Value = 506 Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 0 Allied adjusted assault: 962 Japanese adjusted defense: 607 Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 0) Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 0 [&o] Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 1402 casualties reported Squads: 6 destroyed, 68 disabled Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 21 disabled Engineers: 3 destroyed, 22 disabled Guns lost 20 (3 destroyed, 17 disabled) Allied ground losses: 787 casualties reported Squads: 23 destroyed, 49 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 32 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 23 disabled There were some other smaller attacks in China but nothing worth reporting. [image]local://upfiles/32406/2BF00D1D093245ECAD95A5A75AC46929.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/14/2014 11:43:13 AM)
Strategic bombing - 10th June ______________________________________________________________________________ This didn´t go exactly as planned... ------------------------ Night bombing ------------------------ On a whim just to try and see if numbers alone could get some hit in I sent in the entire B29 force of around 500 bombers to hit the last working Shinden factory at Tsu. Very good result! quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Air attack on Tsu , at 110,60 Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 24 minutes Japanese aircraft J1N1-S Irving x 12 J1N1-Sa Irving x 11 Ki-46-III KAI Dinah x 43 Allied aircraft B-29-1 Superfort x 3 B-29-25 Superfort x 54 B-29B Superfort x 16 Japanese aircraft losses J1N1-S Irving: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses B-29-25 Superfort: 1 damaged B-29B Superfort: 1 damaged J7W1 Shinden factory hits 8 This was followed by about 20 fragments until... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Air attack on Tsu , at 110,60 Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid detected at 30 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 9 minutes Japanese aircraft J1N1-Sa Irving x 3 Ki-46-III KAI Dinah x 6 Allied aircraft B-29B Superfort x 5 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses B-29B Superfort: 2 damaged J7W1 Shinden factory hits 3 That is the end of the Shinden factory! [&o] ------------------------ Day bombings ------------------------ This turned out to a complete debacle. I had two separate strikes ordered. On smaller strike to hit the LI at Kummato and a big strike to hit the Sam factories at Okayama. At first things went as planned...except the weather which ruined all chances of a good result. quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Okayama , at 108,58 Weather in hex: Thunderstorms Raid spotted at 49 NM, estimated altitude 37,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 14 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zero x 15 A6M5b Zero x 27 A7M2 Sam x 7 J2M3 Jack x 22 N1K1 Rex x 6 Ki-43-IV Oscar x 20 Ki-100-I Tony x 53 Ki-102b Randy x 14 Allied aircraft P-47N Thunderbolt x 24 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zero: 2 destroyed A6M5b Zero: 2 destroyed J2M3 Jack: 2 destroyed Ki-43-IV Oscar: 2 destroyed Ki-100-I Tony: 2 destroyed Ki-102b Randy: 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses P-47N Thunderbolt: 3 destroyed But after that things turn sour! The privateers decide to go in all alone. Their escort of P38s flying from the same base decided to tag along the bombers to Saishu-To (flying from a completely different base) despite having Okayama as a specific target... [8\|] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Okayama , at 108,58 Weather in hex: Thunderstorms Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 9 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zero x 10 A6M5b Zero x 19 A7M2 Sam x 6 J2M3 Jack x 14 N1K1 Rex x 3 Ki-43-IV Oscar x 17 Ki-100-I Tony x 44 Ki-102b Randy x 8 Allied aircraft PB4Y-2 Privateer x 24 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses PB4Y-2 Privateer: 4 destroyed, 12 damaged PB4Y-2 Privateer: 1 destroyed by flak Without their escort and only one of the 6 sweep arriving before the bombers they suffer a heavy price and 25 Privateers are shot down. They do manage to score some hit despite everything so the attack wasn´t completely in vain! A7M2 Sam factory hits 2 A7M2 Sam factory hits 2 A7M2 Sam factory hits 1 The raid for Kumamato is a complete disaster. The bombers arrive before the sweeps and the P38 escort actually attaches itself to the sweeps?! WTH? We exchange 13 LI point for no less then 23 Liberators shot down. Yuck. [:(] Here is a list of today's work. ------------------------ Fighters ------------------------ Ki-83r Frank: 178 A7M2 Sam: 239 (-17) J2M5 Jack 145 Ki-83: 22 Ki-44 Tojo: 111 N1K2-J George: 72 Ki-100-I Tony: 67 Ki-102c Randy: 73 Ki-43-IV Oscar: 153 J7W1-Shinden: 3 (-27) Total Fighters per month: 986(-44) [image]local://upfiles/32406/DE29BAF03571487EA2011B59F0800B4B.jpg[/image]

Lokasenna -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/14/2014 5:21:56 PM)
What are the strategic VPs up to now?

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/14/2014 6:37:40 PM)
Almost 14k. Oddly enough the first 10k was from the Marianas bombing campaign. The big manpower targets (Tokyo/Osaka) burned like crazy back then. But once some of the Manpower got burned down returns started to diminish quickly. The last bombing of Osaka which reached almost twice the number of fires I managed before only burned down about 150 LI and HI. When I started from the Marianas I could burn down down 200-300 per night with half the fires. Damage is most certainly tied into the number of Manpower at the base. Osaka/Tokyo is really the only the two targets where its worth hitting Manpower at all. And once enough Manpower is knocked out it will be more effective to hit the HI/LI directly.

Lokasenna -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/14/2014 7:08:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister Almost 14k. Oddly enough the first 10k was from the Marianas bombing campaign. The big manpower targets (Tokyo/Osaka) burned like crazy back then. But once some of the Manpower got burned down returns started to diminish quickly. The last bombing of Osaka which reached almost twice the number of fires I managed before only burned down about 150 LI and HI. When I started from the Marianas I could burn down down 200-300 per night with half the fires. Damage is most certainly tied into the number of Manpower at the base. Osaka/Tokyo is really the only the two targets where its worth hitting Manpower at all. And once enough Manpower is knocked out it will be more effective to hit the HI/LI directly. I think it's also tied to the size of the base. 10,000 fires is going to do more damage at Palembang, for example, with its 2000 "Industry Points" than at Singapore with its several hundred. At least that's my experience. The bigger the factory, the more likely it is to get damaged by fires.

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/14/2014 7:21:20 PM)
Could be a combination of both or one of the two If you hit a place like Takao (8 MAN, 41 LI) you won´t burn down a single point of LI despite getting a good amount of fires going. But hit the LI directly and it will be gone in a night. I don´t know if that is related to the low number of LI or the low number of MAN. Since Erik is gone for a week or so I´ll do a sandbox next week and see what I come up with. Should be fairly easy to test. [:)]

Lokasenna -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/14/2014 7:24:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister Could be a combination of both or one of the two If you hit a place like Takao (8 MAN, 41 LI) you won´t burn down a single point of LI despite getting a good amount of fires going. But hit the LI directly and it will be gone in a night. I don´t know if that is related to the low number of LI or the low number of MAN. Since Erik is gone for a week or so I´ll do a sandbox next week and see what I come up with. Should be fairly easy to test. [:)] Yeah, who knows. There's clearly some kind of relation, whether it's size of manpower, size of industry, or both. It could be a proportional or inverse relationship, too. Who knows?!

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/16/2014 4:00:49 PM)
Japanese Fighter pool - Updated ______________________________________________________________________________ A7M2 Sam: Erik has lost a heap of this plane in the last month. Total losses are 1600. The first sighting of this plane was on 1/45 (probably started producing a lot earlier though). But that would give 1500 planes produced from 1/45. So depending on when actual production started he could be getting low. Ki-83: Showed up in 2/45. 90 plane production would give 540 planes produced. Only 200 destroyed. Good pool of those in other words. J7W1 Shinden: Not yet seen on map. Due to arrive 6/45. Only 4 production remaining. Ki-83r: First sighting of the Frank "R" was in 11/44. With a 378 per month production starting 10/44 means about 3500 produced. With only 1100 of these shot down Erik still has a very healthy pool of theses.

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/17/2014 4:03:02 PM)
I was supposed to do some testing with strat bombing today but ended up playing CIV5 instead! Ooops! [:D]

EHansen -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/17/2014 4:43:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister I was supposed to do some testing with strat bombing today but ended up playing CIV5 instead! Ooops! [:D] How is Civ5?

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