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poodlebrain -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/19/2014 4:22:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister Thanks guys! [&o] Good thing CIV5 got me hooked. My other game is on hold as well. I thought I ask here if anyone can shed any light on this: Its 1/43. My opponent has HEAVILY overstacked with almost 100.000 troops in the hex prior to the attack. So almost 4x over the SL limit. This is subject to FOW obviously. Terrain is mountain (x3), my troops were just under the 25.000 limit and had about 50% supply. All Corps had level 2 forts except one that had only level 1. My opponent doesn´t like the (-) disruption and is afraid it has something unforeseen consequence of using Stacking Limits. Personally I think he took a beating trying to bring the forts down and that caused the negative modifier. I´ve seen that a lot in this game fighting in Burma. The combat engineers take a tremendous beating trying to bring down the fort in heavy terrain. And if there are no combat engineers... This attack matches my experience when fighting in Burma in x3 terrain against dug in troops. And I was doing that with allied 43/44 squads backed up by 1000 4Es, heavy armor and loads of combat engineers. Anyone else finding something odd in the CR that I´m missing? quote: Ground combat at 70,48 (near Kunming) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 64044 troops, 628 guns, 195 vehicles, Assault Value = 2237 Defending force 20826 troops, 85 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 737 Japanese adjusted assault: 655 Allied adjusted defense: 565 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: disruption(-) Japanese ground losses: 4223 casualties reported Squads: 239 destroyed, 232 disabled Non Combat: 29 destroyed, 24 disabled Engineers: 24 destroyed, 23 disabled Guns lost 84 (46 destroyed, 38 disabled) Vehicles lost 7 (4 destroyed, 3 disabled) Allied ground losses: 384 casualties reported Squads: 5 destroyed, 105 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 19 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 6 (2 destroyed, 4 disabled) Assaulting units: 22nd Division 6th Division 15th Division 34th Division 104th Division 2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 4th Mortar Battalion 10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 23rd Army 11th Army 20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion Defending units: 50th Chinese Corps 40th Chinese Corps 54th Chinese Corps 7th Group Army 7th War Area 3rd Heavy Mortar Regiment Let's apply Occam's Razor. All those units told to attack do so. Command, control and communications are overwhelmed by the volume of troops. Once attack begins leaders cannot maintain control to prevent or limit losses where defenses cannot be overcome. In essence the game treats the ground combat like a WWI battle. Attacker suffers huge losses without achieving breakthrough.

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/19/2014 4:25:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: witpqs Peek back at the query in tech support, it was answered by JWE with a manual section reference. It seems that the earlier understanding had missed the fact that WAD for all stacking includes a minor disruption and minor fatigue penalty. The operative notion is that the optional, all-hex stacking limits work the same as the original atoll/island stacking. It's just that 99% of us overlooked the paragraph in the manual where it notes the small disruption and fatigue effects. Just saw it. Pretty cool and makes me like SL more. If its not only about supply it might make it harder to push past the SL limits in great numbers. I was kind of worried as the allied I could largely just ignore it! Hopefully I´ll get the turn back soon.

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/20/2014 12:56:36 PM)
Just finished my CIV5 game. I promised myself I wouldn´t start a new one straight away..but I did! [:D] On a more game related note I also managed to set up a sandbox to try MAN/HI bombings. Results should be ready in a couple of days.

Speedysteve -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/20/2014 4:53:01 PM)
Congrats on the marriage Jocke [:)]

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/20/2014 7:33:01 PM)
Thanks Speedy! [:)]

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/23/2014 4:56:45 AM)
Erik should be back tonight but I don´t know if he will have time to do the turn. Had to go back and read my own AAR to remember what happened last turn! [:D]

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/24/2014 5:02:34 AM)
Erik got hit with a massive delay coming home yesterday but we should be back on track starting today! [:)]

catwhoorg -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/24/2014 11:35:27 AM)
Yay. Next stop Tokyo... That is the target of your super secret last major mission right ? [:'(]

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/24/2014 1:25:37 PM)
Of course! [:D]

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/24/2014 2:20:55 PM)
11th June -45 ______________________________________________________________________________ Almost forgot how to do these things! [:D] ------------------------ Korea ------------------------ The Gunzan troops shifted one hex closer and should arrive in 2 days. Will be interesting to see what Erik has here. Its a clear hex and should spell doom for any Japanese defenders depending on forts at Gunzan. I´m too light on Arty and have only the embedded combat engineers but have all the US armor...could be very interesting. At Masan we launched the first bombardment in a long while. We get a very good result here. Not sure if its the forts we built or if Eriks troops have so little supply they wont counter fire at all. If I would take a guess I would say bringing in 22 divisions worth of troops backed up by 20 Artillery units in a single hex probably was a "tad" too much for the Japanese supply system to cope with. That is more then the SWPAC/SOPAC/CENTPAC commands combined. In perspective to the Japanese forces I have 14 IDs in China and I have dumped 2,5 million supply there in 3 months. Will be very interesting to see what I will find at Gunzan. Knowing Erik there is a good chance I will find the rest of the Manchuria garrison there. If so he has left it completely empty. Included the full CR so you can see what kind of troops he has in place. quote: Ground combat at Masan (102,54) Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 70054 troops, 1515 guns, 1292 vehicles, Assault Value = 2645 Defending force 187909 troops, 2345 guns, 567 vehicles, Assault Value = 6522 Japanese ground losses: 253 casualties reported Squads: 2 destroyed, 21 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Allied ground losses: 8 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled) Assaulting units: 33rd Infantry Division 6th Marine Division Americal Infantry Division 2nd Marine Division 34th Combat Engineer Regiment 81st Infantry Division 3rd Marine Division XXIV CorpsArtillery 147th Field Artillery Regiment X US Corps 1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion X Corps Artillery Tenth US Army 251st Field Artillery Battalion 4th USMC Field Artillery Battalion XXIV US Corps V US Amphib Corps 8th USMC Field Artillery Battalion I Corps Artillery I US Corps 12th USMC Field Artillery Battalion 3rd USMC Field Artillery Battalion XIV Corps Artillery 10th USMC Field Artillery Battalion 148th Field Artillery Battalion Defending units: 120th Division 77th Infantry Regiment 16th Garrison Unit 150th Division 140th Infantry Regiment 11th Division 19th Division 68th Brigade 105th Ind.Mixed Brigade 112th Division 78th Infantry Regiment 87th Infantry Regiment 123rd Division 109th Division 57th Division 30th Infantry Regiment 127th Division 4th Manchukuo Distr Division 8th Division 105th Division 160th Division 111th Division 96th Division 14th Division 94th Division 122nd Division Yosu Fortress 71st Mountain Gun Regiment 2nd Mortar Regiment 15th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 17th Mortar Battalion 22nd Medium Field Artillery Regiment 7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 28th Mountain Gun Regiment 34th Army 12th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 29th RF Gun Battalion 11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 2nd Medium Field Artillery Regiment Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment 14th Area Army 5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 26th Field Artillery Regiment 31st RF Gun Battalion 13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 30th RF Gun Battalion 10th Mortar Battalion ------------------------ China ------------------------ We continue to chalk up successes here with the fall of Changsha! [&o] quote: Ground combat at Changsha (82,52) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 60859 troops, 1027 guns, 2246 vehicles, Assault Value = 2704 Defending force 28419 troops, 280 guns, 31 vehicles, Assault Value = 558 Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 3 Allied adjusted assault: 2083 Japanese adjusted defense: 285 Allied assault odds: 7 to 1 (fort level 3) Allied forces CAPTURE Changsha !!! Japanese aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses Ki-46-III Dinah: 4 destroyed Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), disruption(-) experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 9629 casualties reported Squads: 254 destroyed, 3 disabled Non Combat: 465 destroyed, 5 disabled Engineers: 70 destroyed, 2 disabled Guns lost 127 (127 destroyed, 0 disabled) Vehicles lost 24 (24 destroyed, 0 disabled) Units retreated 10 Allied ground losses: 658 casualties reported Squads: 2 destroyed, 104 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 32 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 12 disabled Vehicles lost 33 (2 destroyed, 31 disabled) Assaulting units: Guides Cavalry Regiment Provisionl Tank Brigade 50th Tank Brigade 254th Armoured Brigade Gardner's Horse Regiment 3rd Cavalry Regiment 19th Motorised Division 6th Australian Division 18th Cavalry Regiment 17th Motorised Division 255th Indian Tank Brigade 11th PAVO Regiment 9th Australian Division 14th Army 2/9th Field Regiment 2/11th Field Regiment 2/13th Field Regiment Defending units: 65th Brigade 63rd Division 32nd Division 5th Ind.Mixed Brigade 51st Division 58th Infantry Regiment 13th RGC Temp./B Division 35th Division 56th Const Co 8th Ind. Field Artillery Battalion 54th JAAF AF Bn The trapped Canton/HK stack continue to take a pounding from ground bombardments. I will try an attack here in a couple of days. quote: Ground combat at 81,55 (near Pingsiang) Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 4110 troops, 270 guns, 306 vehicles, Assault Value = 2100 Defending force 125751 troops, 1221 guns, 692 vehicles, Assault Value = 3557 Japanese ground losses: 551 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 33 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled Engineers: 2 destroyed, 10 disabled Guns lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled) ------------------------ Home Islands ------------------------ The bombers rest today but fighters sweep in over Kyushu. quote: Morning Air attack on Kumamoto , at 102,59 Weather in hex: Overcast Raid detected at 17 NM, estimated altitude 36,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 6 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M5b Zero x 7 A6M8 Zero x 7 A7M2 Sam x 17 J2M5 Jack x 8 N1K2-J George x 10 Ki-43-IV Oscar x 5 Ki-84r Frank x 12 Ki-100-I Tony x 11 Allied aircraft F4U-1D Corsair x 41 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5b Zero: 2 destroyed A6M8 Zero: 3 destroyed A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed Ki-100-I Tony: 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed All in all about 8 sweeps go in shooting down 36 planes for 16 own losses. More sweeps are ordered for tomorrow. ------------------------ The Fleet ------------------------ Reached Naha last turn. If spent over two hours just clicking to get the air groups sorted and new pilots into place. Yuck. Hopefully the last time we will have to do that...I will need 7-10 days before heading back in again. This time with BFs for Saishu To. Once replenished we can still field 2000 CV aircraft. A little bit less then I had anticipated but this will slowly grow as CVs/CVLs/CVEs get repaired at Manila. CV Shangri-La will be back in 34 days. CVL Cowpens and 3 CVEs within the week. CV Antietam is 3 weeks from the area. Another 10 CVEs should be back within 60 days. I also get a batch of British CVLs and CVEs in a couple of days. CV Boxer and CV Kearsarge is less then 2 months out. So its looking pretty good. KB might still pack a small punch but nothing that can stop us from keeping the LOC to Korea open. [image]local://upfiles/32406/F029352C4BA74C7A853B04BA7CC72BDA.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/24/2014 4:11:42 PM)
From those air losses I can see I need to expand my Jake production... Fascinating see the end game played out with such details. Thanks.

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/24/2014 5:10:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe From those air losses I can see I need to expand my Jake production... Fascinating see the end game played out with such details. Thanks. Thanks! Glad you enjoy it. [:)]

EHansen -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/24/2014 5:27:11 PM)
I agree with lowpe, watching this game from both sides is fascinating and educational.

Lowpe -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/24/2014 9:10:41 PM)
Obvert posted the air loss screen too, so you can directly see the impact of FOW.

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/25/2014 5:59:15 AM)
12th June -45 ______________________________________________________________________________ The quiet before the storm... ------------------------ Korea ------------------------ Bombardment at Masan do less damage this turn but i´ll keep it up to burn supply. The main allied army will reach Gunzan tomorrow. ------------------------ Home Islands ------------------------ Most of my sweeps rain in. Only 3 flew into a high placed Frank CAP. I lose 16 Corsairs for 8 Franks. Ouch. [:(] No bombing today. But tomorrow we launch the first 1000 plane strike over the HI. It will be at night and hit various targets. The main focus will be the 600 LI at Nagasaki. ------------------------ China ------------------------ The advance north of the Changsha area is going well. A BDE was pushed out of Chihkiang. quote: Ground combat at Chihkiang (78,50) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 88825 troops, 146 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3391 Defending force 4120 troops, 38 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 146 Allied adjusted assault: 2065 Japanese adjusted defense: 46 Allied assault odds: 44 to 1 (fort level 6) Allied forces CAPTURE Chihkiang !!! Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), op mode(-), leaders(+), leaders(-) experience(-), supply(-) Someone forgot to set them to combat mode! [:D] Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 1895 casualties reported Squads: 23 destroyed, 57 disabled Non Combat: 35 destroyed, 17 disabled Engineers: 7 destroyed, 1 disabled Guns lost 12 (9 destroyed, 3 disabled) Units retreated 1 Allied ground losses: 247 casualties reported Squads: 4 destroyed, 22 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Defeated Japanese Units Retreating! Assaulting units: 59th Chinese Corps 75th Chinese Corps 94th Chinese Corps 91st Chinese Corps 60th Chinese Corps 76th Chinese Corps 74th Chinese Corps 99th Chinese Corps 32nd Group Army 28th Group Army 34th Group Army 40th Group Army 38th Group Army 15th Chinese Base Force Defending units: 87th Ind.Mixed Brigade [image]local://upfiles/32406/CFD1038C1D4B4FC7B973AE8F747F3AEA.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/25/2014 4:54:40 PM)
Won´t have time to update the AAR tonight as its my birthday and we have some guests over. Did get the turn off to Erik but the update will have to wait until tomorrow!

Grollub -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/25/2014 8:42:08 PM)
Har den äran! [:)]

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/26/2014 4:50:08 AM)
Tackar! [&o]

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/26/2014 5:41:50 AM)
12-13th June -45 ______________________________________________________________________________ Not the best of turn in the air. And it turns out Erik has completely emptied out Manchuria...[8\|] ------------------------ Korea ------------------------ So I found out what was at Gunzan this turn... quote: Ground combat at Gunzan (102,52) Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 1080 troops, 75 guns, 101 vehicles, Assault Value = 5706 Defending force 178449 troops, 2259 guns, 1008 vehicles, Assault Value = 6709 Japanese ground losses: 155 casualties reported Squads: 4 destroyed, 2 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 3 destroyed, 2 disabled Allied ground losses: Guns lost 19 (2 destroyed, 17 disabled) Vehicles lost 27 (3 destroyed, 24 disabled) Assaulting units: 716th Tank Battalion 32nd Infantry Division 2nd USMC Tank Battalion CenPac Amphib Tank Brigade 96th Infantry Division 1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division 632nd Tank Destroyer Battalion 710th Tank Battalion 640th Tank Destroyer Battalion 194th Tank Battalion 637th Tank Destroyer Battalion 713th Flame Tank Battalion 38th Infantry Division 670th Tank Destroyer Battalion 1st USMC Tank Battalion 4th USMC Tank Battalion 706th Tank Battalion 98th Infantry Division 77th Infantry Division 1st Marine Division 193rd Tank Battalion 711th Tank Battalion 4th Marine Division 767th Tank Battalion 671th Tank Destroyer Battalion 192nd Tank Battalion 31st Infantry Division 766th Tank Battalion 762nd Tank Battalion 5th Marine Division 3rd NZ Armoured Sqn 1st Medium Regiment XI US Corps 15th NZ AA Bde 33rd Medium Regiment Defending units: 43rd Engineer Regiment 1st Tank Division 128th Division 8th Garrison Unit 10th Division 14th Ind.Infantry Brigade 6th Division 56th Division 83rd Ind.Mixed Brigade 98th Ind.Mixed Brigade 41st Infantry Regiment 24th Division 89th Division 49th Engineer Regiment 14th Garrison Unit 125th Division 4th Division 91st Infantry Regiment 124th Division 23rd Division 9th Division 70th Infantry Brigade 30th Engineer Regiment 29th Division 25th Division 2nd Tank Division Kwantung Army 17th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 3rd Special Base Force 7th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 20th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 7th Medium Mortar Battalion 8th RF Gun Battalion 45th Ind. AA Battalion 8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 73rd Field AA Battalion Botanko Hvy Gun Regiment 8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 46th Air Defense AA Battalion 3rd Rocket Gun Battalion 81st Field AA Battalion 12th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 11th RF Gun Battalion 11th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion 94th Field AA Battalion 2nd RF Gun Battalion 3rd Hvy.Artillery Regiment 13th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion 10th RF Gun Battalion 55th Field AA Battalion 22nd Ind. AA Battalion 10th Mortar AT Gun Regiment 42nd JNAF AF Unit I´m not really sure what to make of this. Basically Erik has completely emptied out Manchuria. The entire Manchuria garrison is now in Korea. The only things guarding Manchuria right now are the border fortresses. [8\|] If this isn´t a situation where the SU should activate I don´t really know what is...this is a shame in many ways. [sm=sad-1361.gif] Firstly because its kind of abusing the knowledge of Soviet activation and also because it takes all the fun out of the SU activation. By activating all these units Erik most likely drained what supply he had left. He also moved them out from good defensive positions for which the units had full prepp. Now one of two things will happen: 1. The allied forces in Korea will destroy the Manchuria garrison before the SU activates. 2. The Manchuria garrison will be destroyed in poor defensive positions in Korea without supply between the SU and Allied forces two weeks after SU activation. Not much fun in that. And completely emptying out Manchuria just feels wrong besides (IMO) being a huge strategical blunder. [sm=sad-1361.gif] Anyway. Using only 2 Arty units I still caused very high losses. And despite an insane number of Japanese artillery units I received very little damage myself. So supply is probably very low and forts low/very low. I turned on the whole stack + the 4Es for tomorrow. If results look good I´ll attack the following turn. ------------------------ Home Islands ------------------------ Not a very good day. The first 1000 plane raid caused...zero damage. Not one hit. [:(] And on the 13th our Sweeps over Kyushu did very poorly. quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on Kagoshima , at 102,60 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid detected at 35 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 9 minutes Japanese aircraft J2M5 Jack x 3 Ki-84r Frank x 55 Ki-100-I Tony x 39 Allied aircraft P-51D Mustang x 24 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses P-51D Mustang: 10 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on Kagoshima , at 102,60 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 36,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 10 minutes Japanese aircraft J2M5 Jack x 3 Ki-84r Frank x 48 Ki-100-I Tony x 35 Allied aircraft F-6D Mustang x 25 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-84r Frank: 4 destroyed Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F-6D Mustang: 7 destroyed If it wasn´t for two P47 Sweep later in the day it would have been an utter disaster. Luckily only 2 Aces KIA, 2 MIA and WIA. 42 Allied planes lost for 40 Japanese. Ouch. [:(] ------------------------ China ------------------------ Still making good progress here. Found another 100k stack in the middle of nowhere last turn. Very odd place to put 100k troops...[&:] [image]local://upfiles/32406/DDD38A7D748549C09968F2102561D686.jpg[/image]

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/26/2014 8:30:06 AM)
Japanese forces in Korea ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------ Confirmed ------------------------ 4th Division 6th Division 8th Division 9th Division 10th Division 11th Division 14th Division 19th Division 23rd Division 24th Division 25th Division 29th Division 56th Division 57th Division 89th Division 94th Division 96th Division 105th Division 109th Division 111th Division 112th Division 120th Division 123rd Division 124th Division 125th Division 127th Division 128th Division 150th Division 160th Division 4th Manchukuo Distr Division 1st Tank Division 2nd Tank Division Total AV: 13200 ------------------------ Unconfirmed ------------------------ An estimated 120.000 more troops in various smaller stacks. These will soon converge on the Superstack at Gunzan probably adding another 3-4000 AV. That would bring the total Japanese AV in Korea to somewhere around 15-18k AV. ------------------------ Allied planning ------------------------ Negatives: Outside a utter and complete collapse of Japanese forces this means there is little chance of an early SU activation due to Japanese AV dropping under 8000 AV. Total allied AV in Korea right now is around 7000 AV. So about half that of Japanese forces. Probably not enough to make any more progress. Positives: This means we will be able to annihilate Japanese force in poorly prepared positions and poor defensive terrain. We can use the SU as a hammer while the Allied forces act the anvil. This process will be very swift once Soviet forces activate. Advanced armor and mechanized forces should be able to reach Korea in mid September. Troops in the Vladivostok area perhaps even faster. Moving all those troops most likely burned up whatever supply was left. Gathering in these superstacks means I have an excellent opportunity to burn any supply that is left by ground bombardments. One of the superstacks (the Gunzan one) is trying to defend in a clear hex. That is always a bad idea. True to his MO Erik piles everything on in Superstacks. There will be no reserves available if a breakthrough occurs. Everything is on the front lines and that is confirmed by recon. Only troops in Korea not on the front lines are single units in each base. Most likely a BDE per base to defend against Para drops. There are also some smaller units on the coast. Manchuria is completely empty besides smaller units most likely left behind to keep within Garrison limits. If I can break Erik at Gunzan its game over. The question is if I can... ------------------------ Allied reserves ------------------------ Allied Army Reserve at Naha (5 US IDs, 3 Tank BTLs). 8th Indian ID (powerful unit) and 3rd OZ ID at Manila. 2800 AV at Hong Kong. These are backed up by most of the Indian/Commonwealth artillery. I had intended to use the HK forces to open up a new front around Shanghai. But right now I´m tempted to shift at least the artillery to Korea. I guess the real question is if I gamble on being able to break Erik at Gunzan or not. I know he made a huge strategic blunder here and I want to exploit it so badly. But can I?

paullus99 -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/26/2014 9:19:57 AM)
Doesn't this mean that you can start wiping out that AV in place & force an early SU activation? What am I missing here?

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/26/2014 9:25:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: paullus99 Doesn't this mean that you can start wiping out that AV in place & force an early SU activation? What am I missing here? That its 15-18.000 Japanese AV. And for a SU activation I need to destroy probably 10.000 of it using only 7000 Allied AV. [:D]

ny59giants -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/26/2014 9:46:40 AM)
I would bring into Korea any of the larger caliber artillery units (155mm or larger). Do you have any of the American Corp artillery units in theater to use?? Bring in those USMC CD Artillery units with their guns too. It doesn't look like that is a coastal hex to bombard from sea.

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/26/2014 11:45:44 AM)
I´ve decided to hold off most of the reinforcements to Korea until the results from the bombardment next turn are in. I´ve learned to trust my gut when it comes to this game. And my gut tells me Erik has made a tremendous mistake here. I just need to find a way to take advantage of it. I´m also reluctant to commit my reserve at this stage. Its too early and if I throw my US Theater reserve into Korea I will have no more operational freedom if any kind of opening presents itself. I will do something though. The 8th Indian and 3rd OZ IDs will begin redeployment to Korea. The 8th are an excellent formation. Great TOE, great EXP. I will also pull whatever artillery I can from Asia and the Okinawas and send to Korea. My first goal in Korea will be to burn as much Japanese supply as I possibly can. If nothing else this will speed up Japanese annihilation once the Soviets arrive. I´ll also try and find out what in the new 100k stack in China. I´m betting just a couple of IDs airlifted from Formosa. If so they won´t pose any threat as the CMA can easily deal with them. Once I know for certain I might lift out the OZ Corps currently at Changsha. I´ve also decided to deal with that Frank unit currently having a field day at Kagoshima. 300 P47N will sweep the base tomorrow hopefully putting an end to that.

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/26/2014 12:52:17 PM)
Pilot situation ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------ USAAF ------------------------ I have more then enough to see me through the war. In fact I´m in a fantastic shape. The USAAF currently has 1700 fighter pilots in reserve. The WORST one has 62EXP/70Air/70DEF. The majority are between 65 and 75 EXP. Bomber pilots are slowly increasing. Though training isn´t a thorough as before no one goes to combat under 70 in GRND skill. Currentely have 322 pilots in the reserve. ------------------------ USN/USMC ------------------------ Same situation here. I have around 1000 fighter pilots in both pools. The USN has over 1500 trained bomber pilots. Enough for the rest of the war. ------------------------ British ------------------------ Losing some British CVs and CVEs released a good pool of fantastic fighter pilots. Many over 90EXP after having done CAP duty for years. I have enough here as well to see me through the war. In general this means I will stop drawing new recruits for training except USAAF bomber pilots. All training squadrons not capable of training USAAF pilots will now shift to fly CAP and increase EXP on pilots already in the pools. In case of the USMC I will need a short training program to bump DEF from 60 to 70 among some 120 pilots. This should take only 2-3 weeks. ------------------------ Top Allied Ace ------------------------ Currently Mr. G.Gibbons of the 347th FG/67th FS flying a P47N with 28 confirmed kills. Currently stationed at Naha in the Okinawas.

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/26/2014 2:44:27 PM)
Okay, this is spectacular! [X(] Nothing I´ve seen before comes even close to this. Can anyone explain these results? And more importantly. Do I order a deliberate attack tomorrow or be patient and continue the bombardments. quote: Ground combat at Gunzan (102,52) Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 120386 troops, 2054 guns, 3726 vehicles, Assault Value = 5708 Defending force 188464 troops, 2343 guns, 1008 vehicles, Assault Value = 7058 Japanese ground losses: 2287 casualties reported [X(] Squads: 32 destroyed, 70 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 4 disabled Engineers: 10 destroyed, 32 disabled Guns lost 20 (6 destroyed, 14 disabled) Allied ground losses: 227 casualties reported Squads: 11 destroyed, 9 disabled Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 9 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled Guns lost 16 (4 destroyed, 12 disabled) Vehicles lost 31 (15 destroyed, 16 disabled) Assaulting units: 193rd Tank Battalion 4th Marine Division 2nd USMC Tank Battalion CenPac Amphib Tank Brigade 98th Infantry Division 32nd Infantry Division 194th Tank Battalion 762nd Tank Battalion 1st Marine Division 670th Tank Destroyer Battalion 632nd Tank Destroyer Battalion 767th Tank Battalion 710th Tank Battalion 31st Infantry Division 38th Infantry Division 711th Tank Battalion 1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division 716th Tank Battalion 637th Tank Destroyer Battalion 77th Infantry Division 96th Infantry Division 5th Marine Division 1st USMC Tank Battalion 4th USMC Tank Battalion 671th Tank Destroyer Battalion 706th Tank Battalion 713th Flame Tank Battalion 640th Tank Destroyer Battalion 192nd Tank Battalion 766th Tank Battalion 3rd NZ Armoured Sqn XI US Corps 15th NZ AA Bde 1st Medium Regiment 33rd Medium Regiment Defending units: 124th Division 49th Engineer Regiment 8th Garrison Unit 1st Tank Division 6th Division 56th Division 43rd Engineer Regiment 70th Infantry Brigade 89th Division 98th Ind.Mixed Brigade 25th Division 125th Division 29th Division 119th Division 14th Ind.Infantry Brigade 10th Division 4th Division 128th Division 24th Division 14th Garrison Unit 41st Infantry Regiment 23rd Division 30th Engineer Regiment 9th Division 91st Infantry Regiment 83rd Ind.Mixed Brigade 2nd Tank Division 45th Ind. AA Battalion 12th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 7th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 3rd Hvy.Artillery Regiment 7th Medium Mortar Battalion 10th RF Gun Battalion Botanko Hvy Gun Regiment 17th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 3rd Special Base Force 46th Air Defense AA Battalion 3rd Rocket Gun Battalion Kwantung Army 22nd Ind. AA Battalion 94th Field AA Battalion 55th Field AA Battalion 10th Mortar AT Gun Regiment 13th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion 2nd RF Gun Battalion 81st Field AA Battalion 73rd Field AA Battalion 20th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 8th RF Gun Battalion 8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 11th RF Gun Battalion 11th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion 42nd JNAF AF Unit

Lokasenna -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/26/2014 2:57:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JocMeister Okay, this is spectacular! [X(] Nothing I´ve seen before comes even close to this. Can anyone explain these results? And more importantly. Do I order a deliberate attack tomorrow or be patient and continue the bombardments. quote: Ground combat at Gunzan (102,52) Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 120386 troops, 2054 guns, 3726 vehicles, Assault Value = 5708 Defending force 188464 troops, 2343 guns, 1008 vehicles, Assault Value = 7058 Japanese ground losses: 2287 casualties reported [X(] Squads: 32 destroyed, 70 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 4 disabled Engineers: 10 destroyed, 32 disabled Guns lost 20 (6 destroyed, 14 disabled) Allied ground losses: 227 casualties reported Squads: 11 destroyed, 9 disabled Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 9 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled Guns lost 16 (4 destroyed, 12 disabled) Vehicles lost 31 (15 destroyed, 16 disabled) Assaulting units: 193rd Tank Battalion 4th Marine Division 2nd USMC Tank Battalion CenPac Amphib Tank Brigade 98th Infantry Division 32nd Infantry Division 194th Tank Battalion 762nd Tank Battalion 1st Marine Division 670th Tank Destroyer Battalion 632nd Tank Destroyer Battalion 767th Tank Battalion 710th Tank Battalion 31st Infantry Division 38th Infantry Division 711th Tank Battalion 1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division 716th Tank Battalion 637th Tank Destroyer Battalion 77th Infantry Division 96th Infantry Division 5th Marine Division 1st USMC Tank Battalion 4th USMC Tank Battalion 671th Tank Destroyer Battalion 706th Tank Battalion 713th Flame Tank Battalion 640th Tank Destroyer Battalion 192nd Tank Battalion 766th Tank Battalion 3rd NZ Armoured Sqn XI US Corps 15th NZ AA Bde 1st Medium Regiment 33rd Medium Regiment Defending units: 124th Division 49th Engineer Regiment 8th Garrison Unit 1st Tank Division 6th Division 56th Division 43rd Engineer Regiment 70th Infantry Brigade 89th Division 98th Ind.Mixed Brigade 25th Division 125th Division 29th Division 119th Division 14th Ind.Infantry Brigade 10th Division 4th Division 128th Division 24th Division 14th Garrison Unit 41st Infantry Regiment 23rd Division 30th Engineer Regiment 9th Division 91st Infantry Regiment 83rd Ind.Mixed Brigade 2nd Tank Division 45th Ind. AA Battalion 12th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 7th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 3rd Hvy.Artillery Regiment 7th Medium Mortar Battalion 10th RF Gun Battalion Botanko Hvy Gun Regiment 17th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 3rd Special Base Force 46th Air Defense AA Battalion 3rd Rocket Gun Battalion Kwantung Army 22nd Ind. AA Battalion 94th Field AA Battalion 55th Field AA Battalion 10th Mortar AT Gun Regiment 13th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion 2nd RF Gun Battalion 81st Field AA Battalion 73rd Field AA Battalion 20th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 8th RF Gun Battalion 8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 11th RF Gun Battalion 11th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion 42nd JNAF AF Unit I see 4 dedicated AT units there - the "RF Gun Battalion" units are AT guns. I want to say 18 or 24 or 36 each (can't check at the moment). Otherwise, he has very little AT there and you have a crapload of tanks. He does have some of the really big arty units there (Botanko has 30cm howitzers IIRC). With that level of casualties, I think I'd probably order an attack in your position, so long as I've got the supply to spare and I would bombard from the air during the day. I'm aggressive, though [;)].

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/26/2014 3:02:06 PM)
I´m itching to pull the trigger to be honest...and I have half a million supply in Korea so that won´t be an issue. Those 30cm howitzers doesn´t seem to be firing or I would take a beating obviously. Out of supply?

witpqs -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/26/2014 3:09:09 PM)
I'm reading both sides currently, so no advice. You asked to explain the level of casualties: my first guess would be low forts, but that is purely a guess.

JocMeister -> RE: Battle for Korea (2/26/2014 3:14:39 PM)
How about the low level of allied losses? No forts and he actually have more (and obviously bigger) guns then me. Supply limiting counter battery fire?

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