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larryfulkerson -> RE: Fulkerson vs Moore (7/31/2013 1:25:45 PM)

TF 75 is an example of the dozen or so convoys I have that are operating between Truk and the outlayers Ocean Island and Nauru.
They are small-capacity, short-range transports that I'm using to go from Truk to the outlayers rather than making them make that great
leap from Truk to somewhere. Which is a good argument to maybe putting some of those other islands that are almost in the right path
like Saipan and Guam etc. And then the short range transports could take a more active part in moving the goodies. Sounds like a lot
of organizational work. I suppose I should get started right away.

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zuluhour -> RE: Fulkerson vs Moore (7/31/2013 1:36:48 PM)

Why is the supply in red?



larryfulkerson -> RE: Fulkerson vs Moore (7/31/2013 1:37:46 PM)

Okie dokie, TF 77 spent all of last night and all day today in port and they are still afloat. So far so good. Maybe Jim doesn't know they
are in port yet or something. Which implies that I'd best get them unloaded and gone from the port but I hesitate to dock them cause
that's supposed to be bad for defense. I'm thinking this TF will be there another 3 days unloading. I'm guessing.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Fulkerson vs Moore (7/31/2013 1:57:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: zuluhour
Why is the supply in red?


I'm guessing you're refering to the "supply" being carried by the TF? It's orange because it's resources instead of supply.
Or did I miss your question entirely and you meant something else?

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Fulkerson vs Moore (7/31/2013 2:14:20 PM)

TF 90 has a situation I can say something about: there's a smaller-capacity short-range transport that's headed for Tobali as part of a
TF that's going there to get more resources even though the boat is already completely full. I'm keeping it as part of the TF because I
don't have an escort for it yet. I need to look around and find somebody unemployed to do that job.

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witpqs -> RE: Fulkerson vs Moore (7/31/2013 2:18:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

Anybody else ever have the game engine present you w/ a blank instead of the picture of the plane? How do I fix that anyway?

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It might mean that there is a blank in the graphics for that plane. Or it might mean that the graphics got screwed up in memory, and you can (save the game, then) exit the program and run it again.



zuluhour -> RE: Fulkerson vs Moore (7/31/2013 2:31:13 PM)

No that was it, as an AFB I have only moved resources to the HI and only once a year. I didn't recognize it.[8|]



catwhoorg -> RE: Fulkerson vs Moore (7/31/2013 2:32:31 PM)

One of the things I like to attempt to do is cluster the AK/AKL with similar capacities together.

Leads to more efficient moving of stuff around, as they all load at roughly the same time.

Never even looked into how difficult this is to organize from the JFB perspective, but its something to try to do over the coming months maybe ?



larryfulkerson -> RE: Fulkerson vs Moore (7/31/2013 2:36:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: zuluhour
No that was it, as an AFB I have only moved resources to the HI and only once a year. I didn't recognize it.

Was that once a year incident toward the early months? Say Jan or Feb? And then it's good for another
year. I've never played the Allied side but I dabbled w/ several turns of anti-AI play and I got a pretty good
glance around. Not enough going on to interest me. I'd rather play the Jap side of things. Thanks for
posting stuff. I like it when I get some kind of proof-of-life from others.



larryfulkerson -> RE: Fulkerson vs Moore (7/31/2013 2:39:56 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: catwhoorg
One of the things I like to attempt to do is cluster the AK/AKL with similar capacities together.
Leads to more efficient moving of stuff around, as they all load at roughly the same time.
Never even looked into how difficult this is to organize from the JFB perspective, but its something to try to do over the coming months maybe ?

Hey there Catwhoorg dude........that's exactly the question I've been wrestling w/ for most of this game. As it is I'm trying to get
ships of the same speed together but I'm slowly coming to realize the problem w/ that which is exactly the one you pointed out: that they
don't all load and unload at the same time. So I'm slowly waking up to the advantage which you pointed out of grouping them by
capacity instead of speed. Good catch my friend.



Richard III -> RE: Fulkerson vs Moore (7/31/2013 2:44:20 PM)

In he last AAR Mike Solli Re: Once Again into the Breech-Mike(J) vs. tc464(A) start dated (11/24/2011) goes into fine detail on the organization of the merchant navy into speed, endurance and capacity, important for TF composition., as well as conversions. A Must Read, very few do the Empire economy better then Mike.[&o]



larryfulkerson -> RE: Fulkerson vs Moore (7/31/2013 11:29:44 PM)

Here's the absolute latest Tracker economic diagnosis. The last two lines on the resources history chart imply that I may have the oil,
fuel, and resources crisis in hand finally. Tokyo failed again today for lack of resources but I've got convoys headed that way right now.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Fulkerson vs Moore (8/1/2013 6:21:23 AM)

Nauru Island has run itself out of fuel but TF 591 is bring some and they will hang around and load up w/ resources outbound.


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larryfulkerson -> RE: Fulkerson vs Moore (8/1/2013 6:31:32 AM)

Cam Rahn Bay is almost out of supplies and there just happens to be a supplies TF ready for departure from Tokyo so I've decided to
ship them to CRB and it'll take about 10 days or so to get there.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Fulkerson vs Moore (8/1/2013 10:59:43 PM)

Tokyo and Yokohoma both had failing industry again today so I'm diverting a TF carrying resources from Kagoshima to those places.
There's three more convoys w/ resources inbound but they are still about a week away. Again, a closer port will have to fill in for some
crisis relief.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Fulkerson vs Moore (8/1/2013 11:03:31 PM)

Here's all the convoys headed for Tokyo now. Most of them are still days away however so we're still in crisis mode.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Fulkerson vs Moore (8/1/2013 11:11:16 PM)

Most of Jim's carriers are damaged I believe but I have some that are still operational. Here's where they are right now.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Fulkerson vs Moore (8/2/2013 7:27:20 AM)

Okay......new day.....new combat results. This is what happens when I get complacent and don't pay attention to Allied abilities.
He did one of these night naval bombardments yesterday and got similar results and Jim reports via email that since his TF is
sitting in it's home port all he does is reload each turn so the result is one of these naval bombardments EACH NIGHT. The result
is that I'm forced to evacuate the city w/ all my troopers. They were out of supply anyway. This will make the game more exciting.
Might even get Jim to try to push south from Rangoon.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Fulkerson vs Moore (8/2/2013 7:42:00 AM)

Here's the absolute latest Tracker economic diagnosis. I've still got the NavY turned way down, almost off. Gotta save HI somehow.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Fulkerson vs Moore (8/2/2013 8:11:33 AM)

Jim said something by email about finding the ports and airfields that need to be serviced by more supplies or fuel by looking at the
Auto-convoy display screen. I can see that. Numbers in red are trouble that needs attention. More places than I was aware of that need
fuel or supplies. I can plan better now that I know more about the problem.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Fulkerson vs Moore (8/5/2013 4:41:55 PM)

Okay.......I've received some moves from Jim and did the combat replay etc. and here's a new day and alas, Tokyo has a failing LI
industry again. D'oh.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Fulkerson vs Moore (8/5/2013 5:10:26 PM)

I found TF 47 in Tokyo unloading resources so maybe the failing LI industry will cure itself by tomorrow.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Fulkerson vs Moore (8/6/2013 3:40:06 PM)

Okay I've received some new moves from Jim and I watched the replay etc. Here's the very latest Tracker economic chart:

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MAurelius -> RE: Fulkerson vs Moore (8/6/2013 4:33:56 PM)

dunno if anyone mentioned it before - but try optimising your TFs for speed..... a TF where a 18kt, 12kt and 10kt ship is in isn't very economic.... if you split them up for example (since you seem to be running them without escorts anyway) or move the same ones together - your ressources etc would reach HI more quickly and more efficiently :)

just a thought...



Richard III -> RE: Fulkerson vs Moore (8/6/2013 5:38:27 PM)

Hi Ya Larry [;)]

Have you tried shutting down most/all of the Merchant Shipyards, and perhaps some of the armaments  factories, depending upon the pools and LCU usage.
Also perhaps stop some of the `44 -`45 shipbuilding. You should be awash in AK`s about now.

Rich




larryfulkerson -> RE: Fulkerson vs Moore (8/6/2013 6:21:52 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MAurelius
dunno if anyone mentioned it before - but try optimising your TFs for speed..... a TF where a 18kt, 12kt and 10kt ship is in isn't very economic.... if you split them up for example (since you seem to be running them without escorts anyway) or move the same ones together - your ressources etc would reach HI more quickly and more efficiently :)

just a thought...

I appreciate the intent of your posting this advice and I tried really tried to have the TF's segregated by speed but I noticed that no
matter how fast the transport is there is this nasty fact about the speed of the escort(s). I'm using mostly PB's for escorts and most
of them have an 11kt speed and so the task force speed is limited to 11kts. I'm lurching from crisis to crisis right now and my focus
is on other matters but as soon as I get some slack I'll see what I can do to use the faster DD's as escorts.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard III
Hi Ya Larry [;)]

Have you tried shutting down most/all of the Merchant Shipyards, and perhaps some of the armaments  factories, depending upon the pools and LCU usage.
Also perhaps stop some of the `44 -`45 shipbuilding. You should be awash in AK`s about now.

Rich

Hidy Ho there Richard. I don't know if you know how to read economic charts, it's tricky and not obvious at all, but I've already shut
off 610 Armament facilities and the NavY and MerchY outputs have been curtailed to the lowest levels doable. Because of the HI
and LI industry failing at Tokyo and Yokohama and the remarkably reduced HI output and LI output. I'm looking forward to the time
when I can boost them back up to "realistic" levels but for now my HI pool is remarkably depleted and I'm told that I need to build it up
to at least 1Meg before I do anything else. Sounds like a good idea to me. This is my first PBEM game and my first try at the Jap side
of things and I'm trying a really hard scenario ( RA 4.2 ) and we're all seeing what happens when you do that. I'm grateful for all the
advice you guys are giving me and I have reason to believe it's helping and I'm doing a LOT better than I would be doing w/o it. But
the fact remains that I'm still lurching from crisis to crisis. It's hard to get a handle on things when the process is so chaotic.

EDIT: Here's the NavY and MerchY line-up's. Notice how many of the ships are halted ( many ) and how many are accellerated
( none ).


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larryfulkerson -> RE: Fulkerson vs Moore (8/6/2013 6:34:29 PM)

I lost track of Kwajaliene and let it get down to 0 in fuel and supplies and now I've got a sub w/o enough fuel to perform it's combat
mission. D'oh.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Fulkerson vs Moore (8/6/2013 6:45:38 PM)

Tokyo's industry didn't fail today. The tooltip says that Tokyo has about 71k resources and TF 5 is going to unload another 23K or so
and Tokyo should do rather well for about three days and then I'm guessing it's going to be low on resources again. I have to keep them
flowing to Tokyo or I'm going to have another industry failure.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Fulkerson vs Moore (8/6/2013 6:57:25 PM)

TF 45 is carrying only a fraction of the total load of which it's capable. I truncated the loading process so as to get about 45K resources
to Tokyo soonest. I thought that it was more important to get SOME resources to Tokyo rather than wait for another couple of days to
get the full load aboard because of the failing industry. Now that the industry isn't failing it doesn't seem as high a priority anymore.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Fulkerson vs Moore (8/6/2013 7:29:59 PM)

I did it again you guys. I wasn't paying attention and transfered the Hiryu's planes to the Hiryu thinking it was ready to sail, and D'oh, I
found out it's in the shipyard and will be there for another 71 days or so. So I have to transfer the planes to a different carrier, sometime
tomorrow I'll do that I guess.

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