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Mike29 -> RE: ZA RODINU! (Kamil vs Mike) (2/15/2013 4:16:40 PM)

T62. 20.08.1942. Center. All elite here, 10 miles to Smolensk! Let the fight begin.

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Mike29 -> RE: ZA RODINU! (Kamil vs Mike) (2/15/2013 4:19:18 PM)

T62. 20.08.1942. South.

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Mike29 -> RE: ZA RODINU! (Kamil vs Mike) (2/15/2013 4:59:11 PM)

T63. Tallinn is Soviet again!



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Mike29 -> RE: ZA RODINU! (Kamil vs Mike) (2/15/2013 5:07:32 PM)

T63. 27.08.1942. Battle of Smolensk.

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Mike29 -> RE: ZA RODINU! (Kamil vs Mike) (2/15/2013 5:17:56 PM)

T63. 27.08.1942. Hasher in Roslavl triangle. As expected all German tanks returned here from the South.

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Mike29 -> RE: ZA RODINU! (Kamil vs Mike) (2/15/2013 7:22:56 PM)

T64. 03.09.1942. North

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Mike29 -> RE: ZA RODINU! (Kamil vs Mike) (2/15/2013 7:27:24 PM)

T64. 03.09.1942. Smolensk area. To our surprise no counterattacks here, all german tanks operate in "Roslavl triangle" trying to encircle our avangarde. We accumuleted huge mass of people and technics for decisive sturm of Smolensk. Some new infantry corps created.

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Mike29 -> RE: ZA RODINU! (Kamil vs Mike) (2/15/2013 7:35:51 PM)

T64. 03.09.1942. Bryansk and Orel area. Germans have reduced our breakthrough and trying to encirle some units, meanwhile we push to Smolensk and hovering over Orel where main intrique of future turns will take place. Heavy losses from both sides. In the air rate of losses is 1 - 1,5. Each turn Kamil loose 200+ aircrafts, we - 300+. This fully suit us, Soviet aviation hosts in the air.

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Peltonx -> RE: ZA RODINU! (Kamil vs Mike) (2/15/2013 7:50:53 PM)

I think you can get to Berlin by late 43, hehehehe toooo funny.






Mike29 -> RE: ZA RODINU! (Kamil vs Mike) (2/15/2013 8:11:24 PM)

I am not so sure. I pay by pockets for my initiative in central sector. My army is only 6,400 000 and I have AP crunch as consiquence of this and of many infantry corps created. 
Anyways, thanks, I'll try to justify such an optimistic forecast [:)]



Peltonx -> RE: ZA RODINU! (Kamil vs Mike) (2/15/2013 8:50:44 PM)

GHC does still have some punch.



KamilS -> RE: ZA RODINU! (Kamil vs Mike) (2/16/2013 6:22:36 PM)

T68 - my manpower pool is now over 500k



Peltonx -> RE: ZA RODINU! (Kamil vs Mike) (2/16/2013 8:51:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kamil

T68 - my manpower pool is now over 500k


If I was you I stop and send in a few turns as any moron even me can see there is corrupt data or a uber SHC exploit. If its and SHC don't expect it to get nerfed hehehe JK



Disgruntled Veteran -> RE: ZA RODINU! (Kamil vs Mike) (2/16/2013 9:52:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kamil

T68 - my manpower pool is now over 500k


Is this Germany or all your axis combined? This can't be just Germany or else something is terribly wrong. If its all axis than this is very plausible. In my current game (T93) the combined axis have between 400-500k reserve men.



KamilS -> RE: ZA RODINU! (Kamil vs Mike) (2/17/2013 1:12:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kamil

T68 - my manpower pool is now over 500k



Disgruntled Veteran

Is this Germany or all your axis combined? This can't be just Germany or else something is terribly wrong. If its all axis than this is very plausible. In my current game (T93) the combined axis have between 400-500k reserve men.



This is German production and some other data (T68)


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Michael T -> RE: ZA RODINU! (Kamil vs Mike) (2/17/2013 2:18:49 AM)

Kamil, this is not pure German Production. You have not selected just German production here. The factory figures are too high for just Germany. For example IIRC German Arm factories are only 89, Not 145.



Peltonx -> RE: ZA RODINU! (Kamil vs Mike) (2/17/2013 2:24:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Michael T

Kamil, this is not pure German Production. You have not selected just German production here. The factory figures are too high for just Germany. For example IIRC German Arm factories are only 89, Not 145.


98 would be the right number.

And your completely smoked Kamil with only 3.2 million Germans and I mean smoked in late 43 or early 44.

Again SHC OOB means nothing, its all about GHC morale and manpower. Your manpower should be closer to 3.5 million right now. You have so many weak spots Mike can win a bunch of battles that is crippling your OOB.

Once on the defensive GHC must fine a good defensive line or be bleed to death very quickly- 20 turns rifle squads can be ground down from 40k to 20K if you do not have good lines.

vs you I was able to hold the lines from July 42 to winter Jan 44, because I had good defensive lines, which left only a dozen or less hexes you could attack per turn. You could not grind me down until rivers froze.

If you dont retreat behind a river line quickly you will be bleed to death in short order, sorry.

Playing GHC requires ALLOT of skill or its a very quick smoke show. SHC can make mistake after mistake and get by. GHC can not make any.



Disgruntled Veteran -> RE: ZA RODINU! (Kamil vs Mike) (2/17/2013 5:03:25 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Michael T

Kamil, this is not pure German Production. You have not selected just German production here. The factory figures are too high for just Germany. For example IIRC German Arm factories are only 89, Not 145.


This is what I thought. All the axis combined have 400-500k manpower not Germany..although I'm sure Germany probably has a little left as well.



Mike29 -> RE: ZA RODINU! (Kamil vs Mike) (2/17/2013 5:54:58 AM)

Just for information to think about. Kamil, do you remember, after applying hotfix you wrote this:

"i still can't apply hotfix

i have such big pile of armament -300k (i hope it is not consequence of bug, but production seems normal) that I really wish I could make support artillery units - I would build mighty nebelwerfers" May be some bug, you only see lots of armaments but they do not work? As fo rme is extremely strange that after so intensive campaign you have so lots armaments.



Mike29 -> RE: ZA RODINU! (Kamil vs Mike) (2/17/2013 6:25:36 AM)

T65. 10.09.1942. General situation.

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KamilS -> RE: ZA RODINU! (Kamil vs Mike) (2/17/2013 11:43:56 AM)

quote:

Michael T

Kamil, this is not pure German Production. You have not selected just German production here. The factory figures are too high for just Germany. For example IIRC German Arm factories are only 89, Not 145.



You are right. thanks. German Manpower pool is 260k.

If I knew that, I would have play a bit different. Well, to late now.



I applied patch.



Flaviusx -> RE: ZA RODINU! (Kamil vs Mike) (2/17/2013 4:37:32 PM)

260k manpower for the Germans is still extraordinarily high.



Peltonx -> RE: ZA RODINU! (Kamil vs Mike) (2/17/2013 7:30:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Flaviusx

260k manpower for the Germans is still extraordinarily high.


Wow, yes thats really high IF you have stuff set right. I have been able to keep the manpower pool below 50k in all my games now winter/mud or summer, once I got settings right.

You should have AA/Poineer/AT/Arty,Con all set at 81%. Your going to produce them so u might as well have them on line.

I set forts at 81% also now. HQ's at 100 for a turn then drop to 81 until it gets below 90 then back to 100.

The rail units should all be disbanded, but save 1.

You can also start disbanding 1 Corp per turn. Air bases ect.

The current system really sucks as divisions that need replasements will get none even if you turned refit off to every single unit on the hole front other then 1 division it will get very little even sitting on a railhead and only unit on refit. Its really a disaster from 42 to 45 for GHC and a wet dream for SHC.

I dont expect any changes, because of the wet dream part for some.



Flaviusx -> RE: ZA RODINU! (Kamil vs Mike) (2/17/2013 8:25:12 PM)

Pelton, who are these Soviet players praising and defending the replacement system? I'm not seeing them. I have been complaining about it since the last iteration of changes to it came out and greatly dislike it. It's worse for the Axis than the Soviet, true, but it causes headaches for everybody. It isn't in place because of some kind of concerted lobbying effort by the Soviet mafia. The designers wanted to simulate replacement friction, which is a good idea in principle. But they went overboard.

Let's criticize it on objective grounds and leave the political nonsense out of it, please.



Peltonx -> RE: ZA RODINU! (Kamil vs Mike) (2/17/2013 11:59:14 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Flaviusx

Pelton, who are these Soviet players praising and defending the replacement system? I'm not seeing them. I have been complaining about it since the last iteration of changes to it came out and greatly dislike it. It's worse for the Axis than the Soviet, true, but it causes headaches for everybody. It isn't in place because of some kind of concerted lobbying effort by the Soviet mafia. The designers wanted to simulate replacement friction, which is a good idea in principle. But they went overboard.

Let's criticize it on objective grounds and leave the political nonsense out of it, please.



I see none of the guys I am playing having any issues. Hugh has a huge army in north and has been attacking with same units every single turn and they are max toe every single turn for months now, summer or blizzard. Brian, Bobo and myself in my game as SHC. Units are at max toe 90+ turn after turn after turn after turn and they are in front. There is zero replasement issue for SHC.

German units gain 2 to 5 %, but are lossing 5-20%. So even if they are winning there toe is dropping. Also even with +40 battles attacking and losing 5 -10 to german counter attacks SHC OOB is growing turn after turn.

There is zero manpower or armament issues for SHC, I have no idea what you guys whine about as far as SHC goes. Complete BS from my exp as SHC.
Its a never ending manpower and armaments with a steadly growing OOB manpower/guns/tanks. I lost 30 armament pts to GHC and more then historical manpower centers and its a cake walk as far as arm/manpower goes. I dont get what all the whining is about. You have far more then you will lose per turn and far more men and armaments that you can possibly use up.

More Middle Earth fairy tails. When Bomazz/MT/Katza and yourself loss a game or for that matter get a game past July 42 then I might leason to some of the fairytales.

The game completely ignores the historical facts that during the 41/42 more SHC were pocketed then GHS.

It completely ignores the historical facts that the russians took more losses in 42 then 41, 43 then 41 and 44 then 41. The losses were straight up fighting.






Mike29 -> RE: ZA RODINU! (Kamil vs Mike) (2/20/2013 8:04:26 AM)

Pelton I do not agree with you. I think you once again simplify situation. This is far far not zero issues for SHC. For example, all our game is on the knife edge for both sides, especially regarding manpower and armaments. I play all 42 with zero armaments reserve+half a million in pool, and my army never exceed 6,5 mln. I recognize this as consequence of very intensive fight all over the fronts. If structure of my losses during this campaign would be other than current (some more elite units in pockets) I was not be able to offense. BTW as I see same situation in GHC - zero armaments and growing pool of people. 

This is not Middle earth.

BTW - I have a suggestion, lets reduce production of Soviet planes. Have developers taken into consideration number of training, reserve planes and planes what was engaged in Far East theatre against Japan? This is simply dont interesting, endless planes allow to bomb german airfields with losses 1 - 5 and Luftwaffe smokes in 41 with unlimited bombings and in 42 with limited (we have home rule no more than 3 bombings per hex)



Peltonx -> RE: ZA RODINU! (Kamil vs Mike) (2/20/2013 6:38:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mike29

Pelton I do not agree with you. I think you once again simplify situation. This is far far not zero issues for SHC. For example, all our game is on the knife edge for both sides, especially regarding manpower and armaments. I play all 42 with zero armaments reserve+half a million in pool, and my army never exceed 6,5 mln. I recognize this as consequence of very intensive fight all over the fronts. If structure of my losses during this campaign would be other than current (some more elite units in pockets) I was not be able to offense. BTW as I see same situation in GHC - zero armaments and growing pool of people. 

This is not Middle earth.



That is the key Mike as Hoooper knows and I am sure Katza/MT/Bomazz.

SHC can attack endlessly starting in 1942 and OOB remains static, while GHC OOB/arm/ect tank very quickly.

Yes its a knifes edge, but a game that many understand can't not be lost.

Why some games seem so surreal. Complete smoke shows by late 42.

The players that understand this have no issues very quickly going on the offensive as u have in early 42.

It is Middle Earth, SHC in early 42 was almost as usless as 41 army. But in wite it is easly going over to offensive in July 42.

Your not kidding anyone with the knifes edge BS, its a cake walk once you understand how easy it is to atrite the GHC. SHC 42 units are so over arted it silly and a complete joke. As can be seen by so many guys easly going over to offensive in mid summer 42.

Unless your like Bobo playing a newbie GHC doesn't stand a chance in 42, because of Middle Earth Blizzard rules sets.




sillyflower -> RE: ZA RODINU! (Kamil vs Mike) (2/20/2013 10:53:38 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Pelton

quote:

ORIGINAL: Flaviusx

Pelton, who are these Soviet players praising and defending the replacement system? I'm not seeing them. I have been complaining about it since the last iteration of changes to it came out and greatly dislike it. It's worse for the Axis than the Soviet, true, but it causes headaches for everybody. It isn't in place because of some kind of concerted lobbying effort by the Soviet mafia. The designers wanted to simulate replacement friction, which is a good idea in principle. But they went overboard.



I see none of the guys I am playing having any issues. Hugh has a huge army in north and has been attacking with same units every single turn and they are max toe every single turn for months now, summer or blizzard. Brian, Bobo and myself in my game as SHC. Units are at max toe 90+ turn after turn after turn after turn and they are in front. There is zero replasement issue for SHC.



Vs Smokindave in 4/43 Belphegor and I as soviets have 2M men + 700K arms but can't get new arty divs sitting in Moscow with Stavka or in other major citites to fill up at more than a snail's pace so I'm not praising the system.



Mike29 -> RE: ZA RODINU! (Kamil vs Mike) (2/21/2013 6:15:40 AM)

T69. 08.10.1942. North

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Mike29 -> RE: ZA RODINU! (Kamil vs Mike) (2/21/2013 6:17:34 AM)

T69. 08.10.1942. Center

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