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warspite1 -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 9:43:26 PM)


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I think the second amendment is anathema to many Europeans in particular-of all our Bill of Rights. It's just a foreign concept to many of them that this country can be awash in guns and that's the way we likes it.

If you think about American history (vis a vis the Revolutionary War), the development of the American West and the independence movement in general, it makes perfect sense. But you've got to understand our history, the reasons for the amendment and why it's still very much relevant in today's society. Hard for most outsiders to fathom, I'd venture.


I know the Brits hate our second amendment. After all it was citizens armed with "assault" rifles who kicked some English ass.
warspite1

Really?? Being serious for a minute I say again, really? How many British people do you think have the foggiest clue what the 2nd Amendment is?


Probably precious few. Which is why foreign voices on the subject are (and have been) meaningless to me. Same with political discussions in general. Europeans assume that they are more knowledgeable about the inner workings of American history and politics than they really are.
warspite1

Some Europeans Mr C - you will notice I have not ventured [light-heartedness aside] into this essentially American discussion.


So, are you considering yourself a European today, herr Warspite1, or merely a foreigner? [;)]
warspite1

Geographically we are Europeans - I cannot deny that. Politically we are nothing of the sort, well except those that have no concept of what way is up [;)]




Chickenboy -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 9:43:45 PM)

Well, if I were President, wanna know my executive order number 2? All Wyomingers-with a first name first letter of 'p' last letter 'i' against the wall. Nothing personal.




warspite1 -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 9:44:59 PM)


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Well, if I were President, wanna know my executive order number 2? All Wyomingers-with a first name first letter of 'p' last letter 'i' against the wall. Nothing personal.
warspite1

Sensible policies for a happier America - like it Mr C [:)]




parusski -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 9:45:09 PM)

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Geographically we are Europeans - I cannot deny that. Politically we are nothing of the sort, well except those that have no concept of what way is up


But the problem is, just like in the U.S., there are way too many of those people.




Chickenboy -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 9:47:08 PM)


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Well, if I were President, wanna know my executive order number 2? All Wyomingers-with a first name first letter of 'p' last letter 'i' against the wall. Nothing personal.
warspite1

Sensible policies for a happier America - like it Mr C [:)]


You didn't even ask what my FIRST executive order would be? [;)]




warspite1 -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 9:47:46 PM)


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Geographically we are Europeans - I cannot deny that. Politically we are nothing of the sort, well except those that have no concept of what way is up


But the problem is, just like in the U.S., there are way too many of those people.
warspite1

Its not so much how many there are - they are very much the minority - its the fact that they have got themselves in a position of unelected power [:@]

Whichever way you slice it, we in Britain were constantly and consistently lied to, by politicians of all parties, about what we were signing up to, what it meant and what the end game was.....




warspite1 -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 9:48:41 PM)


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Well, if I were President, wanna know my executive order number 2? All Wyomingers-with a first name first letter of 'p' last letter 'i' against the wall. Nothing personal.
warspite1

Sensible policies for a happier America - like it Mr C [:)]


You didn't even ask what my FIRST executive order would be? [;)]
warspite1

Er....free twiglet dispensers on all USN vessels?




parusski -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 9:49:26 PM)


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Well, if I were President, wanna know my executive order number 2? All Wyomingers-with a first name first letter of 'p' last letter 'i' against the wall. Nothing personal.
warspite1

Sensible policies for a happier America - like it Mr C [:)]


You didn't even ask what my FIRST executive order would be? [;)]


Oh hell, ok. What is your FIRST executive order?




Chijohnaok2 -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 9:50:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

I think the second amendment is anathema to many Europeans in particular-of all our Bill of Rights. It's just a foreign concept to many of them that this country can be awash in guns and that's the way we likes it.

If you think about American history (vis a vis the Revolutionary War), the development of the American West and the independence movement in general, it makes perfect sense. But you've got to understand our history, the reasons for the amendment and why it's still very much relevant in today's society. Hard for most outsiders to fathom, I'd venture.

It is the fact that so much of this history of the War Where You Told Britain To Shove Off and the Conquista
of the American West is a manufactured legend that makes it hard to fathom. Rather like the Americans are
a primitive tribe who produce and worship their own legends for their own purposes. Follow the money.


The American War for Independence was remarkable for a number of reasons:
*** it was the first time that a colony was able to successfully overthrow its colonial master
*** a small non-professional army, and tiny navy was able to outlast the strongest empire in the world. an empire with a strong professional army and with the largest navy in the world.
*** it then managed to form (with some difficulty) a government that has lasted now for more than 200 years.





parusski -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 9:52:00 PM)


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I think the second amendment is anathema to many Europeans in particular-of all our Bill of Rights. It's just a foreign concept to many of them that this country can be awash in guns and that's the way we likes it.

If you think about American history (vis a vis the Revolutionary War), the development of the American West and the independence movement in general, it makes perfect sense. But you've got to understand our history, the reasons for the amendment and why it's still very much relevant in today's society. Hard for most outsiders to fathom, I'd venture.

It is the fact that so much of this history of the War Where You Told Britain To Shove Off and the Conquista
of the American West is a manufactured legend that makes it hard to fathom. Rather like the Americans are
a primitive tribe who produce and worship their own legends for their own purposes. Follow the money.


The American War for Independence was remarkable for a number of reasons:
*** it was the first time that a colony was able to successfully overthrow its colonial master
*** a small non-professional army, and tiny navy was able to outlast the strongest empire in the world, with the largest navy.
*** it then managed to form (with some difficulty) a government that has lasted now for more than 200 years.



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warspite1 -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 9:55:00 PM)


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I think the second amendment is anathema to many Europeans in particular-of all our Bill of Rights. It's just a foreign concept to many of them that this country can be awash in guns and that's the way we likes it.

If you think about American history (vis a vis the Revolutionary War), the development of the American West and the independence movement in general, it makes perfect sense. But you've got to understand our history, the reasons for the amendment and why it's still very much relevant in today's society. Hard for most outsiders to fathom, I'd venture.

It is the fact that so much of this history of the War Where You Told Britain To Shove Off and the Conquista
of the American West is a manufactured legend that makes it hard to fathom. Rather like the Americans are
a primitive tribe who produce and worship their own legends for their own purposes. Follow the money.


The American War for Independence was remarkable for a number of reasons:
*** it was the first time that a colony was able to successfully overthrow its colonial master
*** a small non-professional army, and tiny navy was able to outlast the strongest empire in the world, with the largest navy.
*** it then managed to form (with some difficulty) a government that has lasted now for more than 200 years.


warspite1

I beg to differ. Was it that remarkable? Britain was a billion miles away, with a ridiculously small army at the best of times, the colonists were not alone - the French, Dutch, Spanish.....

Not to denigrate what the US has done since of course, but the actual War of Independence was not that remarkable a victory given the circumstances.




parusski -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 9:57:04 PM)

Excellent analysis of President Obama's executive orders found in this link:

Gun-Control Theater




parusski -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 9:57:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

I think the second amendment is anathema to many Europeans in particular-of all our Bill of Rights. It's just a foreign concept to many of them that this country can be awash in guns and that's the way we likes it.

If you think about American history (vis a vis the Revolutionary War), the development of the American West and the independence movement in general, it makes perfect sense. But you've got to understand our history, the reasons for the amendment and why it's still very much relevant in today's society. Hard for most outsiders to fathom, I'd venture.

It is the fact that so much of this history of the War Where You Told Britain To Shove Off and the Conquista
of the American West is a manufactured legend that makes it hard to fathom. Rather like the Americans are
a primitive tribe who produce and worship their own legends for their own purposes. Follow the money.


The American War for Independence was remarkable for a number of reasons:
*** it was the first time that a colony was able to successfully overthrow its colonial master
*** a small non-professional army, and tiny navy was able to outlast the strongest empire in the world, with the largest navy.
*** it then managed to form (with some difficulty) a government that has lasted now for more than 200 years.


warspite1

I beg to differ. Was it that remarkable? Britain was a billion miles away, with a ridiculously small army at the best of times, the colonists were not alone - the French, Dutch, Spanish.....

Not to denigrate what the US has done since of course, but the actual War of Independence was not that remarkable a victory given the circumstances.


Weak as water.




warspite1 -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 9:59:24 PM)


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I think the second amendment is anathema to many Europeans in particular-of all our Bill of Rights. It's just a foreign concept to many of them that this country can be awash in guns and that's the way we likes it.

If you think about American history (vis a vis the Revolutionary War), the development of the American West and the independence movement in general, it makes perfect sense. But you've got to understand our history, the reasons for the amendment and why it's still very much relevant in today's society. Hard for most outsiders to fathom, I'd venture.

It is the fact that so much of this history of the War Where You Told Britain To Shove Off and the Conquista
of the American West is a manufactured legend that makes it hard to fathom. Rather like the Americans are
a primitive tribe who produce and worship their own legends for their own purposes. Follow the money.


The American War for Independence was remarkable for a number of reasons:
*** it was the first time that a colony was able to successfully overthrow its colonial master
*** a small non-professional army, and tiny navy was able to outlast the strongest empire in the world, with the largest navy.
*** it then managed to form (with some difficulty) a government that has lasted now for more than 200 years.


warspite1

I beg to differ. Was it that remarkable? Britain was a billion miles away, with a ridiculously small army at the best of times, the colonists were not alone - the French, Dutch, Spanish.....

Not to denigrate what the US has done since of course, but the actual War of Independence was not that remarkable a victory given the circumstances.


Weak as water.
warspite1

Eh?




parusski -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 10:01:10 PM)

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warspite1

Eh?


Huh?




warspite1 -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 10:03:23 PM)


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Eh?


Huh?
warspite1

Que?




parusski -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 10:06:57 PM)


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warspite1

Eh?


Huh?
warspite1

Que?



Ya ne ponimayu




warspite1 -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 10:08:37 PM)


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warspite1

Eh?


Huh?
warspite1

Que?



Ya ne ponimayu
warspite1

Whum sploon tribby knockoes (hahahaha [:)])




parusski -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 10:11:09 PM)


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warspite1

Eh?


Huh?
warspite1

Que?



Ya ne ponimayu
warspite1

Whum sploon tribby knockoes (hahahaha [:)])

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Ich verstahn a kchas wort!!!




Orm -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 10:12:20 PM)


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warspite1

Eh?


Huh?
warspite1

Que?



Ya ne ponimayu
warspite1

Whum sploon tribby knockoes (hahahaha [:)])

What?
[&:]




warspite1 -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 10:15:09 PM)


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warspite1

Eh?


Huh?
warspite1

Que?



Ya ne ponimayu
warspite1

Whum sploon tribby knockoes (hahahaha [:)])

What?
[&:]
warspite1

Parusski was talking Sloblocks so I thought I would join him...[sm=scared0018.gif]




parusski -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 10:16:17 PM)


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warspite1

Eh?


Huh?
warspite1

Que?



Ya ne ponimayu
warspite1

Whum sploon tribby knockoes (hahahaha [:)])

What?
[&:]


Play along Ormie. We all vowed to stand by warspite during his declining years.




Chickenboy -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 10:23:25 PM)

But dood...haven't they ALL been declining years?




parusski -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 10:26:55 PM)


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But dood...haven't they ALL been declining years?


As much as I hate the old texting acronyms I must say...ROTFLMAO. And IFTTBSFTICSLOLAICB.




wodin -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/17/2013 2:35:21 AM)

Listen we didn't loose the War..we just beat ourselves and decided to call ourselves something else like...Americans..after the fact..during the War really you where all still British, so yet again we won!!




vonRocko -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/17/2013 3:15:34 AM)

"The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation."

--- Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf




parusski -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/17/2013 2:04:00 PM)


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Listen we didn't loose the War..we just beat ourselves and decided to call ourselves something else like...Americans..after the fact..during the War really you where all still British, so yet again we won!!


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Wanna try again?




parusski -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/17/2013 2:05:21 PM)



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"The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation."

--- Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf


And this is why the people of the UK and the US are letting their governments get away with things they should not even be thinking about.




parusski -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/17/2013 3:17:36 PM)

The proposal that doctor's ask if a patient has guns at home is downright chilling. It is really no one's business if I have guns in my house.




GaryChildress -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/17/2013 3:26:12 PM)

I haven't really paid too much attention to the recent gun regulation debate. As a non-gunowner it really doesn't affect me much, unless some gun nut comes along someday and shoots me. My father owns a couple assault rifles, I'm embarrassed to say. They really aren't good for anything practical other than going to the range and shooting up targets or allowing one to at least partially live out fantasies involving some sort of combat against other human beings (which is itself a little scarry to begin with). Obviously there should be some kind of limit to what sorts of weapons average citizens should be permitted to own. I don't know if assault weapons are a good place to draw the line or not. It sounds to me like they are. Not sure why anyone needs an assault rifle other than the military or police. Pistols for self defense are maybe reasonable, but assault rifles seem a bit over the top. I don't pretend to think that banning assault rifles will cure all the ills of society but it might limit the amount of damage output by a few individuals, at least a little bit.




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