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Max 86 -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 3:22:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: 2ndACR Nah, I will always have my guns.........The feds will make me a felon in name long before I hand over my guns. Just not gonna happen. The sheep can turn theirs in if they want, me I will keep my teeth. Major +1. Live free or die. I know many who are making contingency plans in my area. Prep for war, PRAY for peace!

Titanwarrior89 -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 3:46:59 PM)
Well let's do away with alcohol. You know how many drunk/impaired drivers kill people each year in the U.S.. I'll say it again...the Police only arrive to ID the bodies. Again the mother in the closet with her babies.....what does it take for some people to believe. I guess a serious situation must happen to them or their children to get it.

vonRocko -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 5:03:30 PM)
I legally and safely own a few 75 round drums and several 30 round clips and other assorted magazines, what happens when/if obama and co. have their way and ban these types? I guess he will turn a tax paying law abiding citizen {me} into a criminal!! What about the millions of others? What about other countries producing them and finding their way here? We all know how successful keeping drugs out is, so why would this be different? Once again I guess only the criminals will have them. "Concrete steps we can take right now to protect our children" says our great leader! Well give me the gun, I'll protect my child.[&:]

vonRocko -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 5:04:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Titanwarrior89 I guess a serious situation must happen to them or their children to get it. Ain't it the Truth!

parusski -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 5:24:14 PM)
FBI stats reveal that in 2011: 323 people were murdered with rifles. 496 people were murdered with blunt objects. 1,694 people were murdered with knives. My God, we must ban blunt objects and knives too.[8\|]

Orm -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 6:59:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: parusski FBI stats reveal that in 2011: 323 people were murdered with rifles. 496 people were murdered with blunt objects. 1,694 people were murdered with knives. My God, we must ban blunt objects and knives too.[8\|] Would it be possible to post the complete stats from FBI or a link to where you found them?

Orm -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 7:31:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: parusski FBI stats reveal that in 2011: 323 people were murdered with rifles. 496 people were murdered with blunt objects. 1,694 people were murdered with knives. My God, we must ban blunt objects and knives too.[8\|] In Sweden we have a 'knife law' that put a limit on where you may carry a knife and other dangerous objects. You are allowed to carry a knife if you have a reasonable use for it or if you take a walk into the woods and so on. But you may not bring a knife to a pub. Recently the court ruled that a baseball bat was included by the law in some circumstances. I find it interesting that there is no opposition to this law in Sweden. Note that we have also a gun law that say that you need a license to own a firearm. It also regulates on how you must store the gun and how and when you may use the gun. With this said we have plenty of hunting rifles in Sweden. We also have some 20,000 soldiers in the home guard and most of them store their persnal gear at home and that often include their personal arms. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Guard_(Sweden) I cut in what Swedish Wikipedia said about the knife act below but I didn't have the energy to translate it myself so the translation might be bad. Knife Act From Wikipedia Act (1988:254) on Prohibition of knives and other dangerous objects, commonly knife law, is a law in Sweden from 1988 prohibiting the possession of knives and other objects "are intended to be used as weapons in crimes against life and health "in public places. Such weapons such as brass knuckles, may also not transferable to persons under 21 years of age or offered for sale. The Act does not apply where the Weapons Act applies. "Spring Style Setter or flick knives" may not legally be possessed by people under 21 years. Violation of law rules provide a fine or imprisonment not exceeding six months. At felony shall be sentenced to a year in prison.

Orm -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 7:40:37 PM)
On Swedish main TV news there was a piece from a school in Harold, Texas. There some (most?) of the teachers were armed with guns. The school also had an extensive security system with a lot of surveillance cameras. This seems to me to be a nice school to send children to. I have, with difficulty, tried to stay out of this debate. I feel this does not concern me so I have no say in the matter. But with that said I do wonder how come feelings are so strong on this subject.

parusski -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 7:48:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Orm quote: ORIGINAL: parusski FBI stats reveal that in 2011: 323 people were murdered with rifles. 496 people were murdered with blunt objects. 1,694 people were murdered with knives. My God, we must ban blunt objects and knives too.[8\|] Would it be possible to post the complete stats from FBI or a link to where you found them? These stats are all over Google, but I got them from a Washington DC CBS affiliate. FBI stats here

Orm -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 7:59:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: parusski quote: ORIGINAL: Orm quote: ORIGINAL: parusski FBI stats reveal that in 2011: 323 people were murdered with rifles. 496 people were murdered with blunt objects. 1,694 people were murdered with knives. My God, we must ban blunt objects and knives too.[8\|] Would it be possible to post the complete stats from FBI or a link to where you found them? These stats are all over Google, but I got them from a Washington DC CBS affiliate. FBI stats here Thank you, Steiner. [:)] I am sure they are all over Google but since I am way to lazy I prefer to ask someone reliable instead of using a search engine.

parusski -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 8:13:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Orm quote: ORIGINAL: parusski quote: ORIGINAL: Orm quote: ORIGINAL: parusski FBI stats reveal that in 2011: 323 people were murdered with rifles. 496 people were murdered with blunt objects. 1,694 people were murdered with knives. My God, we must ban blunt objects and knives too.[8\|] Would it be possible to post the complete stats from FBI or a link to where you found them? These stats are all over Google, but I got them from a Washington DC CBS affiliate. FBI stats here Thank you, Steiner. [:)] I am sure they are all over Google but since I am way to lazy I prefer to ask someone reliable instead of using a search engine. Sorry, that lazy excuse does not work. The problem is you live in Sweden, where there is no electricity, running water, indoor toilets or internet. I still can't understand how you post here.

Orm -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 8:21:33 PM)
I ask a runner to run down to the continent and post for me.

parusski -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 8:27:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Orm I ask a runner to run down to the continent and post for me. DOH. I feel so stupid, that makes perfect sense.

Chijohnaok2 -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 9:00:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Orm On Swedish main TV news there was a piece from a school in Harold, Texas. There some (most?) of the teachers were armed with guns. The school also had an extensive security system with a lot of surveillance cameras. This seems to me to be a nice school to send children to. I have, with difficulty, tried to stay out of this debate. I feel this does not concern me so I have no say in the matter. But with that said I do wonder how come feelings are so strong on this subject. Some in the United States do feel very strongly about this (both for and against). The rights listed in the Bill of Rights (the first ten amendments of the US Constitution), are a list of natural rights that belon to the people. They are not "granted" by the government. These natural rights include (but are not limited to): Freedom of speech, freedom of the press, right to trial, freedom of religion, the right to bear arms, freedom of assembly, etc. These rights were framed in the Constitution by our Founding Fathers at the time that they established out government. Each of these rights are important. Amending the Constitution is possible, but t is not easy to do. Our Founding Fathers purposely did this as they did want want these fundemernal rights, or our structure I government to be changed on a whim. If you start talking about restricting any of these rights (the right to bear arms for instance), then you open the door for doing the same with the others. That is why many feel strongly about the subject.

Orm -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 9:12:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chijohnaok quote: ORIGINAL: Orm On Swedish main TV news there was a piece from a school in Harold, Texas. There some (most?) of the teachers were armed with guns. The school also had an extensive security system with a lot of surveillance cameras. This seems to me to be a nice school to send children to. I have, with difficulty, tried to stay out of this debate. I feel this does not concern me so I have no say in the matter. But with that said I do wonder how come feelings are so strong on this subject. Some in the United States do feel very strongly about this (both for and against). The rights listed in the Bill of Rights (the first ten amendments of the US Constitution), are a list of natural rights that belon to the people. They are not "granted" by the government. These natural rights include (but are not limited to): Freedom of speech, freedom of the press, right to trial, freedom of religion, the right to bear arms, freedom of assembly, etc. These rights were framed in the Constitution by our Founding Fathers at the time that they established out government. Each of these rights are important. Amending the Constitution is possible, but t is not easy to do. Our Founding Fathers purposely did this as they did want want these fundemernal rights, or our structure I government to be changed on a whim. If you start talking about restricting any of these rights (the right to bear arms for instance), then you open the door for doing the same with the others. That is why many feel strongly about the subject. Thank you for the explanation Chijohnaok. [:)]

parusski -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 9:14:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chijohnaok quote: ORIGINAL: Orm On Swedish main TV news there was a piece from a school in Harold, Texas. There some (most?) of the teachers were armed with guns. The school also had an extensive security system with a lot of surveillance cameras. This seems to me to be a nice school to send children to. I have, with difficulty, tried to stay out of this debate. I feel this does not concern me so I have no say in the matter. But with that said I do wonder how come feelings are so strong on this subject. Some in the United States do feel very strongly about this (both for and against). The rights listed in the Bill of Rights (the first ten amendments of the US Constitution), are a list of natural rights that belon to the people. They are not "granted" by the government. These natural rights include (but are not limited to): Freedom of speech, freedom of the press, right to trial, freedom of religion, the right to bear arms, freedom of assembly, etc. These rights were framed in the Constitution by our Founding Fathers at the time that they established out government. Each of these rights are important. Amending the Constitution is possible, but t is not easy to do. Our Founding Fathers purposely did this as they did want want these fundemernal rights, or our structure I government to be changed on a whim. If you start talking about restricting any of these rights (the right to bear arms for instance), then you open the door for doing the same with the others. That is why many feel strongly about the subject. Excellent explanation chijohnaok. If politicians can unilaterally go around the second amendment then those politicians can do the same thing to any other amendment. I bet those I can't label would not be thumping their chests if a politician decided to change the first amendment rights. Or what if someone decided the sixth amendment needed to be ignored, and people were arrested and thrown in prison(or simply shot)! Sigh.

Chickenboy -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 9:19:20 PM)
I think the second amendment is anathema to many Europeans in particular-of all our Bill of Rights. It's just a foreign concept to many of them that this country can be awash in guns and that's the way we likes it. If you think about American history (vis a vis the Revolutionary War), the development of the American West and the independence movement in general, it makes perfect sense. But you've got to understand our history, the reasons for the amendment and why it's still very much relevant in today's society. Hard for most outsiders to fathom, I'd venture.

parusski -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 9:27:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy I think the second amendment is anathema to many Europeans in particular-of all our Bill of Rights. It's just a foreign concept to many of them that this country can be awash in guns and that's the way we likes it. If you think about American history (vis a vis the Revolutionary War), the development of the American West and the independence movement in general, it makes perfect sense. But you've got to understand our history, the reasons for the amendment and why it's still very much relevant in today's society. Hard for most outsiders to fathom, I'd venture. I know the Brits hate our second amendment. After all it was citizens armed with "assault" rifles who kicked some English ass.

warspite1 -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 9:29:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy I think the second amendment is anathema to many Europeans ..... warspite1 Please don't talk about anathema - I'm a martyr to it - especially at this time of year. Although I do find my puffer helps my breathing enormously...

parusski -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 9:30:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy I think the second amendment is anathema to many Europeans ..... warspite1 Please don't talk about anathema - I'm a martyr to it - especially at this time of year. Although I do find my puffer helps my breathing enormously... He did not mean ENEMA dumbass.

warspite1 -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 9:31:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: parusski quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy I think the second amendment is anathema to many Europeans in particular-of all our Bill of Rights. It's just a foreign concept to many of them that this country can be awash in guns and that's the way we likes it. If you think about American history (vis a vis the Revolutionary War), the development of the American West and the independence movement in general, it makes perfect sense. But you've got to understand our history, the reasons for the amendment and why it's still very much relevant in today's society. Hard for most outsiders to fathom, I'd venture. I know the Brits hate our second amendment. After all it was citizens armed with "assault" rifles who kicked some English ass. warspite1 Really?? Being serious for a minute I say again, really? How many British people do you think have the foggiest clue what the 2nd Amendment is?

parusski -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 9:32:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 quote: ORIGINAL: parusski quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy I think the second amendment is anathema to many Europeans in particular-of all our Bill of Rights. It's just a foreign concept to many of them that this country can be awash in guns and that's the way we likes it. If you think about American history (vis a vis the Revolutionary War), the development of the American West and the independence movement in general, it makes perfect sense. But you've got to understand our history, the reasons for the amendment and why it's still very much relevant in today's society. Hard for most outsiders to fathom, I'd venture. I know the Brits hate our second amendment. After all it was citizens armed with "assault" rifles who kicked some English ass. warspite1 Really?? Being serious for a minute I say again, really? How many British people do you think have the foggiest clue what the 2nd Amendment is? I never make you justify your insane ranting!

warspite1 -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 9:33:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: parusski quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy I think the second amendment is anathema to many Europeans ..... warspite1 Please don't talk about anathema - I'm a martyr to it - especially at this time of year. Although I do find my puffer helps my breathing enormously... He did not mean ENEMA dumbass. warspite1 Enema? Are you purposely being a dumbass - or ass de la dumb as we say en Francais. We are talking Asthema here....[walks off mumbling - Dumbass confederates of German extraction...]

danlongman -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 9:33:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy I think the second amendment is anathema to many Europeans in particular-of all our Bill of Rights. It's just a foreign concept to many of them that this country can be awash in guns and that's the way we likes it. If you think about American history (vis a vis the Revolutionary War), the development of the American West and the independence movement in general, it makes perfect sense. But you've got to understand our history, the reasons for the amendment and why it's still very much relevant in today's society. Hard for most outsiders to fathom, I'd venture. It is the fact that so much of this history of the War Where You Told Britain To Shove Off and the Conquista of the American West is a manufactured legend that makes it hard to fathom. Rather like the Americans are a primitive tribe who produce and worship their own legends for their own purposes. Follow the money.

parusski -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 9:34:07 PM)
quote: walks off mumbling - Dumbass confederates of German extraction. At least got that right. Except you left out "Russian speaking..."

Chickenboy -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 9:37:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 quote: ORIGINAL: parusski quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy I think the second amendment is anathema to many Europeans in particular-of all our Bill of Rights. It's just a foreign concept to many of them that this country can be awash in guns and that's the way we likes it. If you think about American history (vis a vis the Revolutionary War), the development of the American West and the independence movement in general, it makes perfect sense. But you've got to understand our history, the reasons for the amendment and why it's still very much relevant in today's society. Hard for most outsiders to fathom, I'd venture. I know the Brits hate our second amendment. After all it was citizens armed with "assault" rifles who kicked some English ass. warspite1 Really?? Being serious for a minute I say again, really? How many British people do you think have the foggiest clue what the 2nd Amendment is? Probably precious few. Which is why foreign voices on the subject are (and have been) meaningless to me. Same with political discussions in general. Europeans assume that they are more knowledgeable about the inner workings of American history and politics than they really are.

warspite1 -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 9:39:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 quote: ORIGINAL: parusski quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy I think the second amendment is anathema to many Europeans in particular-of all our Bill of Rights. It's just a foreign concept to many of them that this country can be awash in guns and that's the way we likes it. If you think about American history (vis a vis the Revolutionary War), the development of the American West and the independence movement in general, it makes perfect sense. But you've got to understand our history, the reasons for the amendment and why it's still very much relevant in today's society. Hard for most outsiders to fathom, I'd venture. I know the Brits hate our second amendment. After all it was citizens armed with "assault" rifles who kicked some English ass. warspite1 Really?? Being serious for a minute I say again, really? How many British people do you think have the foggiest clue what the 2nd Amendment is? Probably precious few. Which is why foreign voices on the subject are (and have been) meaningless to me. Same with political discussions in general. Europeans assume that they are more knowledgeable about the inner workings of American history and politics than they really are. warspite1 Some Europeans Mr C - you will notice I have not ventured [light-heartedness aside] into this essentially American discussion.

parusski -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 9:40:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: danlongman quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy I think the second amendment is anathema to many Europeans in particular-of all our Bill of Rights. It's just a foreign concept to many of them that this country can be awash in guns and that's the way we likes it. If you think about American history (vis a vis the Revolutionary War), the development of the American West and the independence movement in general, it makes perfect sense. But you've got to understand our history, the reasons for the amendment and why it's still very much relevant in today's society. Hard for most outsiders to fathom, I'd venture. It is the fact that so much of this history of the War Where You Told Britain To Shove Off and the Conquista of the American West is a manufactured legend that makes it hard to fathom. Rather like the Americans are a primitive tribe who produce and worship their own legends for their own purposes. Follow the money. Did you enjoy that fifth of Jack Daniels you just finished?[:'(]

Chickenboy -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 9:40:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 quote: ORIGINAL: parusski quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy I think the second amendment is anathema to many Europeans in particular-of all our Bill of Rights. It's just a foreign concept to many of them that this country can be awash in guns and that's the way we likes it. If you think about American history (vis a vis the Revolutionary War), the development of the American West and the independence movement in general, it makes perfect sense. But you've got to understand our history, the reasons for the amendment and why it's still very much relevant in today's society. Hard for most outsiders to fathom, I'd venture. I know the Brits hate our second amendment. After all it was citizens armed with "assault" rifles who kicked some English ass. warspite1 Really?? Being serious for a minute I say again, really? How many British people do you think have the foggiest clue what the 2nd Amendment is? Probably precious few. Which is why foreign voices on the subject are (and have been) meaningless to me. Same with political discussions in general. Europeans assume that they are more knowledgeable about the inner workings of American history and politics than they really are. warspite1 Some Europeans Mr C - you will notice I have not ventured [light-heartedness aside] into this essentially American discussion. So, are you considering yourself a European today, herr Warspite1, or merely a foreigner? [;)] ETA: Kidding aside, I appreciate the 'hands off' approach that most of your ilk have taken on this discussion. It's been very respectful and non-condescending for the most part. [:)]

parusski -> RE: A new ACW.. (1/16/2013 9:41:39 PM)
HA. 23 executive orders issued and I can't for the life of me see how any of them will stop insane people from killing others. What a joke.

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