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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/23/2014 9:49:39 PM)

Here's a glimpse of the middle of the front lines in T85. My units are unorganized and in a goumble ( noun: a mess, hey I just made
up a word ) and I've got to get organized better and get the formations back together. I'll start working on that. The map will look
better and my pictures will be more picturesque.

EDIT: How about the word jumble instead? I like that one too.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/23/2014 9:56:25 PM)

Here's the East side in T85:

Quick question for Steve: If I disband the 1st Free French Motorized ( hypothetical unit ) will it respawn in a future turn? It might be
easier to get these low-profile units out of my way by disbanding them altogether. They then respawn somewhere and I move them to
a better position. Often it's a much better position.

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Petey -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/23/2014 9:57:21 PM)

OK here is the strategic overview at the beginning of Allied turn 51. I have captured Naples and Foggia, and am clearing the area North of both. Most units are pretty shot and low on supply, so I will take a pause on the advance and clean things. Both East and West coast rail lines are up to the front.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/23/2014 10:30:53 PM)

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Both East and West coast rail lines are up to the front.

No way.....really? I'm impressed. That's the key....I've decided this recently......the supply level is the key to the advance. Without it
you're going nowhere fast.

Here's my turn 51 front lines. This is just after I made that disasterous landing near Anzio and moved on Rome. Looking back on it now
that I know now what I know, I'm thinking that Rome adventure just delayed my progress. I had a two-front war and had to move some of
the shorter-range planes to include them and everything. I'm not sure I'd do that again. It was really risky and only lucked out because
I'm fighting the AI. A human player probably would have pushed everybody back to the beaches.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/23/2014 10:36:23 PM)

Here's the T86 front lines. I'm having to save up supply to have enough to move and / or attack and the supply rail is advancing really
slowly and all the units are moving like they are immersed in molassas or something.

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Petey -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/23/2014 11:34:48 PM)

One last picture for the night. Beginning of Allied turn 55. The Germans have pretty well staffed the Gustav line. I'm rotating fresh units into the line to begin the assault. No real Axis resistance North of Foggia.

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sPzAbt653 -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/23/2014 11:41:26 PM)

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If I disband the 1st Free French Motorized ( hypothetical unit ) will it respawn in a future turn? It might be easier to get these low-profile units out of my way by disbanding them altogether. They then respawn somewhere and I move them to a better position. Often it's a much better position.


A disbanded unit will return, let us know how it works out.




larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/24/2014 12:59:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Petey
One last picture for the night. Beginning of Allied turn 55. The Germans have pretty well staffed the Gustav line. I'm rotating fresh units into the line to begin the assault. No real Axis resistance North of Foggia.

The area depicted in your picture........I had a hard time there too. Part of the problem is how the Germans are using the terrain to make assaulting them more difficult. And the Gustav Line was manned and ready when I got there too. Fresh units are hard to come by unless you plan for it I've found. And the only resistance I found in the Foggia area was some AA units and they were only a few.




larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/24/2014 2:28:13 AM)

Here's the West side in T87. I'm trying to force some fresh units through a tiny hole I found in the German lines.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/24/2014 4:26:16 AM)

Here's the East side now-a-days. I've finally got a surround on some Germans and I'm starting a mop up operation with this attack.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/24/2014 4:35:16 AM)

Here's the West side in T88. I'm trying to widen the hole a bit. Other than that there's not much going on here.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/24/2014 5:12:12 AM)

Oops........I've already posted a West side in T88. Well, then lemme show you how close the railheads are then. I'm planning on
combining the rails together along the Arno river just so there's a connection between the two of them. That will come in handy in
the long term. Maybe.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/24/2014 6:35:41 AM)

Here's the T89 front lines. Everybody is scrunched up toward the front. All the late comers and trailers are arriving at the front and
it's starting to get crowded. Time for me to cull out the no-counter type units, units that don't contribute much just to get them out of
the way. Units like AA and AT and various recon units that aren't doing their recon job right now.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/24/2014 1:11:32 PM)

Here's the front lines in T90. I'm still pressing against the Germans and attacking when able and making slow progress. It's still a bit
crowded and supply is still low and so on.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/24/2014 1:20:29 PM)

Here's the West side in T90. I've made the hole bigger and I'm rushing units through it. I say rushing but actually the units are more a
crawl than a rush.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/24/2014 1:23:48 PM)

Here's the East side in T90. There's no hole on this side. I'm actually going to have to blow a hole in the German lines to move through.
Unless somebody somewhere on the front lines can move around behind these Germans to cut them off and isolate them and THEN we
start attacking.

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Petey -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/24/2014 2:04:00 PM)

The Germans put up quite a fight at the East Gustav line. After pounding on the front for several turn I managed to capture hex 142,130. The Germans promptly withdrew the next turn. Perhaps skillful playing by a human player could have driven me back, however I was glad to see the AI withdraw instead of sitting there and becoming surrounded and being defeated in detail. That was around turn 68 or so.




larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/24/2014 2:07:00 PM)

Hey Petey: thanks for the update and all your verbage and everything but I would really like to see a picture of this.




larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/24/2014 11:29:53 PM)

Here's a member of the maintenance staff getting a P-47D ready to go out again. It's tough to change the spark plugs when there's 28
of them. Two per cylinder.


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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/25/2014 12:07:28 AM)

Here's the T91 front lines. I've just about mopped up everything behind the lines now it's pure battle toe-to-toe. I'm hoping I can find or
make a hole somewhere so I can get behind all the German defenders. The lack of partisans might be making a difference here. I don't
remember such a German gaggle in my previous games.

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Petey -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/25/2014 1:04:53 AM)

Trying to punch a hole thru the Gothic line turn 96. No real contact on the West side although a slow advance.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/25/2014 3:07:55 AM)

That's real cool, Petey. So how did it come out?

Here's the West side T91 front lines:

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Ruppich -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/25/2014 6:42:14 AM)

Looks like elmer does not like to dig in [&:]




larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/25/2014 7:20:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Ruppich
Looks like elmer does not like to dig in [&:]

Wow, I hadn't even noticed that. Good catch. [&o]




larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/25/2014 8:47:36 AM)

Here's the T94 front lines. I'm blowing holes in the German line but I'm thinking that it's not making much difference because there's
always more Germans to plug the holes. D'oh.

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sPzAbt653 -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/25/2014 9:39:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ruppich
Looks like elmer does not like to dig in [&:]

Wow, I hadn't even noticed that. Good catch. [&o]


Its not Elmer, its me. I had to choose the lesser of two evils.




larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/25/2014 1:25:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653
quote:

ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson
quote:

ORIGINAL: Ruppich
Looks like elmer does not like to dig in [&:]

Wow, I hadn't even noticed that. Good catch. [&o]

Its not Elmer, its me. I had to choose the lesser of two evils.

You probably have your scenario designer hat on when you say that but I'm curious.......what were your choices and what was your
thought process? Enquiring minds want to know.




larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/25/2014 1:54:09 PM)

Here's the T97 front lines. There's a lot of withdrawing of land combat units here lately. I'm running short on boots on the ground. I'm
having to rearrange things because the 45th Div is going to go to the CBI or something. And the whole VI Corps is going to go bye buy.


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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/25/2014 2:04:27 PM)

Here's the West side in T97 and you can see how confused it is. I'm going to have to get organized.

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FrankieITA -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/25/2014 3:19:33 PM)

Those are the same problems I faced im my previous game: slow crawling advance on the western side, little to no advance in the middle or eastern side.
When I decided to assault on the east I got tremendous losses, like ruining two infantry divisions, one armored in reorg (New Zealand Div. for me is counting as Armoured Div.) and two armoured brigades destroyed; as I stated before I started the attacks on the eastern side of the line and Elmer reacted ordering a Panzer counterattack on the near poor Polish troops. They kept coming for two consecutive turns, they kind of succeded keeping me at bay and at the third turn they retreated the whole line keeping two regiments as retroguard. Keep attacking and they'll give up eventually.
I see you have the US units really spread up along the width of most of the peninsula. Since I was waaaaay moooore concentrated and felt I needed way more divisions for the Americans, aren't you having problems of lack of regiments? I see also you're using Canadians and New Zealanders linked to the US units, maybe they're better fit as you use them instead of historically attaching them to the British.
Also a question for sPzAbt653: I don't want to spoiler Larry the challenges that are to come, but there's a way to make Elmer do a Mobile Defence on the Padan Plains(the zone between Gothic line and the Alps)? He seems like giving up the whole theatre of operations after he loses Gothic line!




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