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Kizucha -> RE: Research Reloaded - [DWU] [WIP] New huge research tree, new everything... (8/29/2014 1:09:57 PM)

Oh shut up guy's and give me the cake!![sm=00000003.gif]

Uh i see more construction projects, is it in that way we can build bigger ships as it is in vanilla or is the biggest the same size as vanilla only slower to reach?[:)]




lurchi -> RE: Research Reloaded - [DWU] [WIP] New huge research tree, new everything... (8/29/2014 2:53:23 PM)

Bigger, since we all know bigger is better. [:D]

BTW, there are now 830 research projects and 210 components.
The framework is about 75% done.

There will be a new teaser soon.




Kizucha -> RE: Research Reloaded - [DWU] [WIP] New huge research tree, new everything... (8/29/2014 4:11:00 PM)

5% in a day? Work faster!![:D]

Oh ehm if the framework is done, its the main work or are you thinking it will be more huge work after the framework?[:)]

And bigger is not alway's better... if you cant use bigger things good its worse.[;)]




lurchi -> RE: Research Reloaded - [DWU] [WIP] New huge research tree, new everything... (8/29/2014 4:59:36 PM)

Once the framework is done I have to add the rest of the dummy components, do some basic balancing and error checking. Considering this I guess it's about a week or two 'til the beta release, depends on my free time.

BTW, I assume that people know how to use their stuff. [:D]




Kizucha -> RE: Research Reloaded - [DWU] [WIP] New huge research tree, new everything... (8/29/2014 7:09:57 PM)

That's nice to hear.[:)] In the time of testing, if you need tester i'm happy to help, i dont know much about modding in DW so i can only help play-testing but i think its not that big of a problem to do it by yourself.[:D]

Unfortunately it existing enough deaf nuts.[;)]




lurchi -> RE: Research Reloaded - [DWU] [WIP] New huge research tree, new everything... (8/29/2014 10:24:08 PM)

There are now 850 research projects and 210 components.
The framework is about 80% done.

Here's the promised teaser:

[image]http://i58.tinypic.com/161x9nb.jpg[/image]




lurchi -> RE: Research Reloaded - [DWU] [WIP] New huge research tree, new everything... (8/29/2014 10:29:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kizucha

That's nice to hear.[:)] In the time of testing, if you need tester i'm happy to help, i dont know much about modding in DW so i can only help play-testing but i think its not that big of a problem to do it by yourself.[:D]

Unfortunately it existing enough deaf nuts.[;)]


Beta testers are very welcome.

Like Einstein said: Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. [sm=00000280.gif]




Kizucha -> RE: Research Reloaded - [DWU] [WIP] New huge research tree, new everything... (8/30/2014 7:08:08 AM)

Uh~ i see stealth![sm=happy0005.gif]

In that way, i will be happy to help testing.[;)]

Einstein was an intelligent man.[:D]




Joshwoo69 -> RE: Research Reloaded - [DWU] [WIP] New huge research tree, new everything... (8/30/2014 4:59:18 PM)

Yeah! 75 %! Faster!!! I cannot control my self from using this :P




lurchi -> RE: Research Reloaded - [DWU] [WIP] New huge research tree, new everything... (9/1/2014 10:43:15 PM)

So I had lots of work. Again. [:(]

But I at least managed to work on Research Reloaded. Well, a little.
There are now 865 research projects and 215 components.
The framework is about 90% done.

New teaser:

[image]http://i59.tinypic.com/29bg0eq.jpg[/image]

I'll be really busy the next few days as well, but I guess I can release the beta in about a week. [:D]




Joshwoo69 -> RE: Research Reloaded - [DWU] [WIP] New huge research tree, new everything... (9/2/2014 6:46:56 AM)

90%?! I can hardly control myself (really!)
When framework is finished then beta time!




Hawkeye_BF -> RE: Research Reloaded - [DWU] [WIP] New huge research tree, new everything... (9/2/2014 7:02:21 AM)

looks absolutly great, love it!!![&o]




Shark7 -> RE: Research Reloaded - [DWU] [WIP] New huge research tree, new everything... (9/2/2014 8:03:20 AM)

Looking good.

You can also add me to the list of people willing to test this monster for you. Figure the best way is to set as cheap as possible and just get through the tree to make sure everything is working.




Kizucha -> RE: Research Reloaded - [DWU] [WIP] New huge research tree, new everything... (9/2/2014 8:49:37 AM)

Uh nice thing with the colonizations, this never made sense for me in vanilla that we only can research some colonization projects after other.[:)]

I'm happy that the framework is "nearly" done.[;)]




lurchi -> RE: Research Reloaded - [DWU] [WIP] New huge research tree, new everything... (9/2/2014 11:34:06 AM)

Thanks. [:)]

Yeah, colonization is quite different now. Every race has access to every colo tech at once, but the costs depend on the race and planet type. Like an ice race has very high research costs for volcanic colonization while a desert race gets this really cheap.




Shark7 -> RE: Research Reloaded - [DWU] [WIP] New huge research tree, new everything... (9/2/2014 11:34:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: lurchi

Thanks. [:)]

Yeah, colonization is quite different now. Every race has access to every colo tech at once, but the costs depend on the race and planet type. Like an ice race has very high research costs for volcanic colonization while a desert race gets this really cheap.


That is almost exactly how I set up my colonizing research for the test mod I made for testing. I never did like the way it was done initially. I even went as far as adjusting the costs in the races files based on the species home planet type. Home planet type was like 0.2 cost, the opposite of the home planet type was 5.0 cost. So your Desert example got desert for 20% of cost, volcanic for 100% of cost, and Ice or Ocean for 500% of cost, etc.

Basically I went Basic Colony > Terraforming > (branched for planet type) for my tree, with some species specific wonders tacked on at the end of each branch.




lurchi -> RE: Research Reloaded - [DWU] [WIP] New huge research tree, new everything... (9/3/2014 12:59:44 AM)

Yup, that's about the same I did, including the race files. Great minds think alike. [:D]

Little update:
Good news: There are now 250 components. A bunch are still missing, but not much.
Bad news: I won't be able to work on the mod the next two days. [:(]




Kizucha -> RE: Research Reloaded - [DWU] [WIP] New huge research tree, new everything... (9/3/2014 7:05:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: lurchi

Yup, that's about the same I did, including the race files. Great minds think alike. [:D]

Little update:
Good news: There are now 250 components. A bunch are still missing, but not much.
Bad news: I won't be able to work on the mod the next two days. [:(]


How dare you?![:D] As long you not run away from modding and letting us alone, take your time.[:)]




DinoSaurus -> RE: Research Reloaded - [DWU] [WIP] New huge research tree, new everything... (9/3/2014 7:11:37 AM)

SOUNDS GOOD!!!

[:)]

VERY GOOD!

Well, do you have modified the mining-research due to the moment? Or do I have overlooked this part?!

It would be interesting to modify mining in relation to planet-type: deep-lithosphere-mining, deep-sea-mining, extrem-temperature-mining (vulcanic, ice) or s.th. like this. Maybe not all kinds of mining type could be used everywhere: deep-sea on ocean planets and maybe continetal and ice, but not on desert or so...




lurchi -> RE: Research Reloaded - [DWU] [WIP] New huge research tree, new everything... (9/3/2014 8:00:01 AM)

I modded it and added lithosphere mining. It's not possible to create mines for planet types, though. There are only two kinds of mining engines, mineral and gas. Well, and luxury.




PsyKoSnake -> RE: Research Reloaded - [DWU] [WIP] New huge research tree, new everything... (9/3/2014 11:08:22 AM)

Is it possible to make a combined Mining engine.

Like gaz + lux / Mineral + Lux.

But i dont know how the Ai would handle this.




Kizucha -> RE: Research Reloaded - [DWU] [WIP] New huge research tree, new everything... (9/3/2014 1:33:00 PM)

In that case i would prefer a change that enable that we can build mines without the other mine engines and only with lux.[:)]




lurchi -> RE: Research Reloaded - [DWU] [WIP] New huge research tree, new everything... (9/3/2014 3:43:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PsyKoSnake

Is it possible to make a combined Mining engine.


Nope, not possible.




lurchi -> RE: Research Reloaded - [DWU] [WIP] New huge research tree, new everything... (9/3/2014 3:44:52 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kizucha

In that case i would prefer a change that enable that we can build mines without the other mine engines and only with lux.[:)]


You can already do that, no need to change anything. Please note that auto upgrading will get rid of special mines, though. [;)]




Kizucha -> RE: Research Reloaded - [DWU] [WIP] New huge research tree, new everything... (9/3/2014 4:11:14 PM)

[X(] Its already possible? What update i missed?[:D]Auto upgrading is no problem for me, so far i never used it.




Cmiller -> RE: Research Reloaded - [DWU] [WIP] New huge research tree, new everything... (9/3/2014 4:12:57 PM)

Wow, I cant believe its almost done! Great job lurchi, I too would like to test your mod out, its so...huge. Btw, will you still consider my idea of fighters with ion weapons?

Edit: Or maybe fighters with rail guns and beams too. And any other special weapons you might've added to this mod [:)]

Cmiller




lurchi -> RE: Research Reloaded - [DWU] [WIP] New huge research tree, new everything... (9/3/2014 7:12:27 PM)

Yeah, I already thought about alternate fighter weapons and added those.
Alas there's a problem. Officially fighters only can have missiles, torpedoes or beam weapons. Special weapon properties don't work for fighters. I can give them another name and their weapons a certain damage and range, that's it. So disabling ships with ion bombers is not possible. [:(]




Joshwoo69 -> RE: Research Reloaded - [DWU] [WIP] New huge research tree, new everything... (9/4/2014 8:24:37 AM)

Add me to the list of testers thanks![:)]




DinoSaurus -> RE: Research Reloaded - [DWU] [WIP] New huge research tree, new everything... (9/4/2014 8:34:16 AM)

Well, but maybe you could add a final and very expensive research project with high-damage beam weapons or so?




NephilimNexus -> RE: Research Reloaded - [DWU] [WIP] New huge research tree, new everything... (9/4/2014 4:13:41 PM)

Suggestion for improving the pre-warp stage:

#1) Drop the Warp Bubble speed from 2000 down to 500 and make it an even bigger energy hog.

#2) Place a new type of warp engine between the Warp Bubble and the Gerax Hyperdrive, with the old Warp Bubble stats and research cost.

#3) Make the research cost on the new Warp Bubble really cheap, so it can be learned in a year or less.

What this does:

It let's players get entry level warp tech faster than before, but does so in a way that still almost completely restricts them to their home system. Thus it extends the pre-warp tier while making it more interesting, as ships will now have enough speed to build mining bases in your home system, even if they lack the fuel to go beyond it.

See, the drag of the pre-warp phase is two things: Waiting forever for the basic Warp Bubble (which is way overpriced in vanilla), and the tedious drag of trying to get your initial mining bases built with ships that can barely do a speed of 20. This solves both of those problems, as it makes the first step of warp cheap & quick to access, which in turn lets you get into building up your home system faster. It is balanced by the severely limited range that probably won't get you to even the next system over unless you overload your ships with fuel tanks, which in turn makes them useless anyway.

The regular Warp Bubble isn't removed per se, it's name gets changed & it stats instead are simply moved up a notch so players still do have to learn it. This extends the research timeline a little, but that's okay because now people won't get bored with it.


Unrelated: Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't some of those icon graphics from EvE Online?




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