RE: ultradave vs scout1, '43-'45 Campaign June 1944 (Turn 54)

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ultradave -> RE: ultradave vs scout1, '43-'45 Campaign June 1944 (Turn 54) (3/21/2015 11:52:38 AM)
Evacuated almost everyone from the Montpellier invasion site. There's no going forward and it's just a matter of time before a disaster occurs. The one bright spot is that we took Cherbourg. Port damage is at 57% (not surprisingly). But we still have the 2 invasion ports on the peninsula. Again though, we face a solid front line.

scout1 -> RE: ultradave vs scout1, '43-'45 Campaign June 1944 (Turn 54) (3/21/2015 2:45:30 PM)
Uncle Joe's slow march to the sea ........ [image]local://upfiles/13786/73BDEC9FBBF04D4396B696F493761BD3.jpg[/image]

Q-Ball -> RE: ultradave vs scout1, '43-'45 Campaign June 1944 (Turn 54) (3/21/2015 7:53:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: scout1 Like Rocky .... "what is holding him up at this point .... ? East Front is a sham [image]local://upfiles/13786/A2BCC8D0456C464789CA8FFFC8D6D462.jpg[/image] I think the EF Box is broken....thank you for posting this, because you are demonstrating that it's broken. Compare that to my game vs. Meklore; in this game, it's Nov 1944. I did pull a bunch of units early, but at the moment, the commitment is about historical. Attached are the Mobile divisions (a couple of PzG cut off at the bottom, but you get the point). I have been consistently refitting units to keep strength up. To date, I have sent 1.5 mil replacements East, and 800K West, roughly 65/35, so I've been a bit more aggressive than what the engine would give me with box off (60/40 split). As you can see, the Eastern forces are in reasonable shape for November of 1944. The payoff? I have lost 130 VPs so far on the Eastern Front, and I am 1 hex ahead of historical. Just one. You are three hexes ahead, and have pulled all Panzer divisions except one. Also, with 30+ Panzer divisions in the West, there is no way you should lose. It's tough enough as WA with a balanced game, but there's no way the Allies can win when you empty the East like that [image]local://upfiles/6931/45B92C20009C4D50BE5A308141B3B05E.jpg[/image]

ultradave -> RE: ultradave vs scout1, '43-'45 Campaign June 1944 (Turn 54) (3/21/2015 11:30:13 PM)
>but there's no way the Allies can win when you empty the East like that Yeah, tell me about it. I can't move. I just pulled everyone out of the south of France - either that or get thrown out. I'm pretty much completely blocked as there is not a hex where I can get enough combat power to make a winning attack. The Russians are not coming fast enough to suit me.

ultradave -> RE: ultradave vs scout1, '43-'45 Campaign June 1944 (Turn 54) (3/22/2015 12:41:22 AM)
Leaving the south of France to the Germans. Good riddance :-) [image]local://upfiles/45914/6548A3BACDE5465CA0E032BF034554D5.jpg[/image]

scout1 -> RE: ultradave vs scout1, '43-'45 Campaign June 1944 (Turn 54) (3/24/2015 11:34:37 PM)
Uncle Joe could have used Uncle Billy in his march to the sea ...... He'd have been more aggressive [image]local://upfiles/13786/C95BFD0A1B684CAC871D5ED7271C55B4.jpg[/image]

scout1 -> RE: ultradave vs scout1, '43-'45 Campaign June 1944 (Turn 54) (3/25/2015 12:16:35 AM)
Have pulled out the last remaining Panzer Div and all of the Mechanized Inf Div's from the EF to move West ...... At what point will this twig break under the pressure

ultradave -> RE: ultradave vs scout1, '43-'45 Campaign June 1944 (Turn 54) (3/25/2015 12:34:18 AM)
Hopefully it will come crashing down like the tree branch in the yard a week ago that was weakened from the ice storm and landed on my head. Pretty much laid me out and I'm lucky nothing got broken - like my neck. That's what I'm hoping for (not injury - just a total collapse by Germany).

scout1 -> RE: ultradave vs scout1, '43-'45 Campaign June 1944 (Turn 54) (3/28/2015 12:12:53 AM)
No crashing down this turn ...... [image]local://upfiles/13786/B374DBB8ED4847F3BB9875096AD812C5.jpg[/image]

ultradave -> RE: ultradave vs scout1, '43-'45 Campaign June 1944 (Turn 54) (3/28/2015 6:05:31 PM)
Looks the same. Rats. And I can't get enough into 2 hexes to make a decent attack against one German hex.... ... Anywhere.

scout1 -> RE: ultradave vs scout1, '43-'45 Campaign June 1944 (Turn 54) (3/28/2015 10:42:11 PM)
Sorry Dave ..... still not much change yet .... [image]local://upfiles/13786/9C5CA57901DC416DA0B018A80515D778.jpg[/image]

scout1 -> RE: ultradave vs scout1, '43-'45 Campaign June 1944 (Turn 54) (3/29/2015 9:21:59 PM)
OK ... Uncle Joe had Zukov kick some ass .... Warsaw falls ..... [image]local://upfiles/13786/E8ED2340F1CD4F5589BBB618469697C9.jpg[/image]

scout1 -> RE: ultradave vs scout1, '43-'45 Campaign June 1944 (Turn 54) (3/29/2015 9:22:39 PM)
East Front data ..... [image]local://upfiles/13786/CC6403727E754A1D98F2554CF256F2B2.jpg[/image]

carlkay58 -> RE: ultradave vs scout1, '43-'45 Campaign June 1944 (Turn 54) (3/30/2015 12:16:24 PM)
The Front Line reports that the current line is at 174 vs the historical front line at 181. So the Eastern Front is seven hexes better than historical. Which means that the first turn of each month the Allies should be getting some Eastern Front VPs. Berlin falls when the front line reaches 141 - so 33 hexes to go! You are currently at the Fluid condition so you are not too bad off there. The number of divisions is greater than the required number so no penalty from that. The HQs are also above requirement levels so you are getting some bonuses from that. But the Soviet Potential is +12 so be ready to see the front line move closer to Berlin soon.

ultradave -> RE: ultradave vs scout1, '43-'45 Campaign June 1944 (Turn 54) (3/30/2015 12:27:10 PM)
A question for the developers : Is there value to the developers in running this scenario out to see what happens with the East Front? Because as the Allies this game has become something of a bore :-) Each turn I fly thousands of missions and wait (quite a while) as they are resolved, look around to see if there are any attacks to be made (I made one last turn with a rested up Cdn Corps to no great effect. I don't mind continuing if the development team wants to collect some data but if not the time could be better spent elsewhere.

Q-Ball -> RE: ultradave vs scout1, '43-'45 Campaign June 1944 (Turn 54) (3/30/2015 1:40:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: scout1 East Front data ..... [image]local://upfiles/13786/CC6403727E754A1D98F2554CF256F2B2.jpg[/image] What's the date please? My EF is 50% stronger than yours; it's Dec 23, 1944, and Warsaw just fell in my game. How may EF VPs have the Allies gained to-date? You have over 1,000 av less than I do, and I don't feel the difference is much, other than I would sure like to have 1,000 more AV to use against Meklore in the West.

Joel Billings -> RE: ultradave vs scout1, '43-'45 Campaign June 1944 (Turn 54) (3/30/2015 8:37:26 PM)
It would be good to see how this plays out, although I realize it might not be much fun. We have changed things in the latest public beta version, but it would be good to know the baseline. The only thing is that if the Germans were to start transferring things East, they will gain more from this with the public beta than what they were losing as they pulled units to the west in the older version so that would not help. I sure hope that the Soviets will pick up speed. Since the "historical" value only changes on the first of each month, the first turn of the month is the best to show to see how far off historical the front line is.

carlkay58 -> RE: ultradave vs scout1, '43-'45 Campaign June 1944 (Turn 54) (3/30/2015 8:49:04 PM)
According to my play test where I played both sides, kept the Allies from doing anything, and had the Axis pulling everything it could from the eastern front, the game ended in Jan 45 with an Allied Major Victory from the early ending VP bonus and the East Front VP awards alone.

ultradave -> RE: ultradave vs scout1, '43-'45 Campaign June 1944 (Turn 54) (3/30/2015 10:42:51 PM)
Ok, no problem. I just didn't want to keep going if it wasn't helpful. No problem to continue on.

scout1 -> RE: ultradave vs scout1, '43-'45 Campaign June 1944 (Turn 54) (4/1/2015 11:05:29 PM)
On he marches to the sea ...... abit in no hurry though [image]local://upfiles/13786/C14E6D66F5534F22996E0033C316DED9.jpg[/image]

ultradave -> RE: ultradave vs scout1, '43-'45 Campaign June 1944 (Turn 54) (4/2/2015 12:39:40 AM)
It's Dec 2, 44. Wishing the Russians would move a little faster. Situation unchanged elsewhere. It's snowing everywhere but Italy, where it's raining. [image]local://upfiles/45914/524CD790C3B1465E8F5BFAC278370D1C.jpg[/image]

ultradave -> RE: ultradave vs scout1, '43-'45 Campaign June 1944 (Turn 54) (4/2/2015 12:40:26 AM)
Italian Front [image]local://upfiles/45914/6E1B8F6EB7F9436BB3C2D2D9C0B36537.jpg[/image]

ultradave -> RE: ultradave vs scout1, '43-'45 Campaign June 1944 (Turn 54) (4/2/2015 12:41:49 AM)
Western Front\ [image]local://upfiles/45914/9333BE8A7A31496A9E9E4568629B51AA.jpg[/image]

scout1 -> RE: ultradave vs scout1, '43-'45 Campaign June 1944 (Turn 54) (4/3/2015 11:45:21 AM)
sitzkreig [image]local://upfiles/13786/7AEF64286B4D44668A1B7C4A7A37182F.jpg[/image]

scout1 -> RE: ultradave vs scout1, '43-'45 Campaign June 1944 (Turn 54) (4/3/2015 11:46:03 AM)
By the numbers ..... [image]local://upfiles/13786/39F212607D8C4DE4B2AB8166327CB82D.jpg[/image]

ultradave -> RE: ultradave vs scout1, '43-'45 Campaign June 1944 (Turn 54) (4/6/2015 5:11:24 PM)
Not much action across the fronts. A look at the weather map tells the story. Combine the weather with a three deep defensive line of German divisions and not much is happening. Building snowmen, wrapping presents. [image]local://upfiles/45914/6D53BDB2836F432E8277DB4A6E3DB910.jpg[/image]

ultradave -> RE: ultradave vs scout1, '43-'45 Campaign Dec 23 1944 (Turn 78) (4/11/2015 12:50:19 AM)
Time to roll the dice. Pics next turn.

scout1 -> RE: ultradave vs scout1, '43-'45 Campaign Dec 23 1944 (Turn 78) (4/11/2015 5:40:53 PM)
OK, Dave is Beta testing Operation Torch and has upgraded to a higher level version than the current released version I'm running ..... So not sure if this has impacted things, but huge Soviet advance .... Stalin found a general finally ..... [image]local://upfiles/13786/0B9D5C2D44DF4911B42CDDA0099A4730.jpg[/image]

scout1 -> RE: ultradave vs scout1, '43-'45 Campaign Dec 23 1944 (Turn 78) (4/11/2015 5:43:00 PM)
This is Dave's Dice rolling ...... Wasn't sure if he'd try this far north .... The Germans sure have a lot of rail transport capability ..... Moved a lot of stuff to the region to keep Dave bored .... [image]local://upfiles/13786/E637C9C097CF45A0B62703A51EC9545E.jpg[/image]

ultradave -> RE: ultradave vs scout1, '43-'45 Campaign Dec 23 1944 (Turn 78) (4/11/2015 9:00:07 PM)
And to think I've been bombing the crap out of railroads. It is winter though, with snow, so planes don't always fly. Nothing like wading ashore from the North Sea on Christmas Day, eh? I see at least one Abn division made it. Don't know yet whether the others were defeated or aborted their drops due to the weather (should have been 2 division and the Polish brigade dropped)

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