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Lowpe -> RE: Manila Falls (2/2/2016 1:19:24 PM)

Getting interesting in India...

I tried low level strafing with Oscars IIa and IIbs. However, I find that 40mm Bofors that an Indian or Commonwealth division has are pretty nasty to that particular tactic.



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Lowpe -> RE: Manila Falls (2/3/2016 2:56:40 PM)

In a pdu on game, you could have a fair number of Rufe squadrons flying doing things like this.

However, I believe I only have 3 total squadrons, all size 9 or fewer.[:(]

I like Rufes, and find them viable for a long time in an anti-bomber role thanks to their cannons. Anywhere they can fight and Allied fighters can't escort or sweep they are sweet.

Also I think adding them to the CS ships for KB defense down low works really nicely too. The problem with this application is weather...

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ny59giants -> RE: Manila Falls (2/3/2016 3:51:22 PM)

How has your success been when going after unescorted B-25 attack bombers? I tend to use them out near full range to go after shipping.



leehunt27@bloomberg.net -> RE: Manila Falls (2/4/2016 2:36:27 PM)

Its still mind blowing crazy funny to read posts talking about which West Coast bases to attack! Never before seen it in all my years of playing WWII games. Keep it up!



Lowpe -> RE: Manila Falls (2/4/2016 3:27:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

How has your success been when going after unescorted B-25 attack bombers? I tend to use them out near full range to go after shipping.


The B25 fly low and fast so the Rufes generally only get one pass...in circumstances where I think that might happen the Rufes need a high percentage flying CAP, but they will still drop those planes and even better disrupt the attack.

So far that Rufe squadron has 6 credited bomber kills, and now 3 op losses. I have withdrawn them and will let the grease monkeys work on them for a while.





Lowpe -> RE: Manila Falls (2/4/2016 3:28:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: leehunt27@bloomberg.net

Its still mind blowing crazy funny to read posts talking about which West Coast bases to attack! Never before seen it in all my years of playing WWII games. Keep it up!


It is going to get really ugly, as Jocke will push on the other side of the world very heavily.





Lowpe -> RE: Manila Falls (2/4/2016 5:05:48 PM)

Last third of August....

Shocking across the river...not too bad. He will hold me up here for one more attack most likely then on the next city: Kweiyang.

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Lowpe -> RE: Manila Falls (2/4/2016 5:13:01 PM)

Sian

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Lowpe -> RE: Manila Falls (2/4/2016 5:16:22 PM)

Allies invade here. Suffer heavy disruptions.

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Lowpe -> RE: Manila Falls (2/4/2016 5:31:41 PM)

This bombing run was at 20K and look at the effectiveness of Allied Flak. I suspect the Ceylon AA is here.

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PaxMondo -> RE: Manila Falls (2/4/2016 9:34:57 PM)

Or he has moved some US flak, there are several units to move with larger than 3" guns in them.



Lowpe -> RE: Manila Falls (2/8/2016 3:21:30 PM)

Ok, here you can see India is getting quite interesting.

There is also a small 6 ship task force 7 hexes from Sabang. Spotted two turns in a row, but my bombers didn't fly, weather I guess.

I am making steady progress upgrading planes to A6M5, Oscar IIb, Vals, Emily and Helens. I am finding that PDU off eats up a lot of my time.[&:]

I am leaving one Chutai of 12 planes with the Oscar Ic for training purpose, as I will have about 120 of these planes in the pools.

I am hoping Ledo falls in two more attacks, or it could fall in the next attack with a good roll.[sm=innocent0001.gif]

I am taking Alfred's advice and will hold in the good terrain around Ledo for as long as possible...and rely upon my good playing skills to prevent a Pegu/Tavoy invasion.

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Lowpe -> RE: Manila Falls (2/8/2016 3:27:17 PM)

I have old Vals at Sabang, but I have set them to range 6 not 7 so they carry a full bomb load.

Today, I will move the planes away, and send in some surface ships to see if I can catch these ships trying to bombard Sabang.

Given CRvsJohn game, I need to watch this area very carefully. [;)]

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Lokasenna -> RE: Manila Falls (2/8/2016 8:03:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Given what I am doing on the eastern half of the map, I need to watch this area very carefully. [;)]



Fixed that for you.



Lowpe -> RE: Manila Falls (2/9/2016 3:35:16 PM)

Thanks Lok.[:D]

I miss a 2-1 on Ledo by a lousy 7 AV. I think I will attack again today as disruption and fatigue are acceptable. Still pondering it though.

Silchar to Ledo will be defended, with those troops having to make the long retreat thru the jungle to northern Burma.

Another good attack outside Kwieyang, will attack again today.

Neat upgrade happened today. I broke a large sentai of A6M2 into thirds, and one of the thirds automatically upgraded past the A6M3 to the A6M5 even though there weren't enough planes in the A6M3 pool to full fill out the splinter, but there was enough A6M5. Interesting, and this took place in Tokyo.

It maybe a mistake, but I have decided to focus production on the A6M5 instead of breaking it down between the A6M3a and A6M5. I am doing this for simplicity sake.

I think Jocke has an edge in ground forces here in India and he is pushing forward.

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Lowpe -> RE: Manila Falls (2/9/2016 3:39:47 PM)

Hm., testing, testing. Jocke likes to test.

I sortied the Hiyo and Unyo but struck out. They will retire to Sabang for a while. I have been very fuel efficient with large warships lately.

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Lowpe -> RE: Manila Falls (2/9/2016 3:55:31 PM)

I upgraded my Val production to model 2. It is an interesting plane that most Empire players skip. Not me.[:D]

I don't know how many squadrons will be upgraded to the shorter legged Val, as I have hopes on fielding several Judy squadrons too for the West Coast invasion.

Only time will tell if this is a mistake. Will having potentially three types of divebombers make CV coordination even worse?

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Lowpe -> RE: Manila Falls (2/9/2016 6:29:19 PM)

I am expecting Jocke to let loose his bombers on me in India this turn. I am curious to see how well my troops fight off the bombers with just AA present.

Didn't happen.[8D]



Lowpe -> RE: Manila Falls (2/9/2016 7:46:26 PM)

Not sure how long I can keep shipping the oil out of Ledo, but it is nice to capture. Pity more troops didn't surrender.[:(] Double pity it isn't a source of supply from those refineries.[:(]



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Lowpe -> RE: Manila Falls (2/9/2016 8:17:46 PM)

I like using strafing attacks versus the Chinese. Well, really against anyone lacking in AA.[:)]

Here you can notice an Oscar IIb strafing. My take on the effectiveness of pilot training: Strafing is the ability to suppress AA and or target AA and knock some out with guns/cannons. Low Ground is how accurate you are with the 250kg gp bombs.

I suppose this carries over to strafing ships, you need strafing and lownaval to be effective.





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Lowpe -> RE: Manila Falls (2/10/2016 7:21:55 PM)

India

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GetAssista -> RE: Manila Falls (2/10/2016 9:31:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe
Not sure how long I can keep shipping the oil out of Ledo, but it is nice to capture. Pity more troops didn't surrender.

I take it that you forgot to shut the door close for them? =) India road net is good and notorious for having supply routes going everywhere unless you block all paths with LCUs

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lowpe
Here you can notice an Oscar IIb strafing. My take on the effectiveness of pilot training: Strafing is the ability to suppress AA and or target AA and knock some out with guns/cannons. Low Ground is how accurate you are with the 250kg gp bombs.

I like to train IJA pilots in secondary Ground instead of Strafe because of those Oscars. In game them are actually comparable to bombers in punch per engine, even if in reality they lacked bombsight etc. Also fewer losses from AA this way.



Alfred -> RE: Manila Falls (2/11/2016 2:00:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Not sure how long I can keep shipping the oil out of Ledo, but it is nice to capture. Pity more troops didn't surrender...


Pursue them at least one hex out of Ledo. Although the CR did not show a supply malus, nonetheless the very high percentage of destroyed as opposed to disabled devices, indicates those defeated units are currently in very poor shape and a couple of quick battles, before they have a chance to recover, could destroy many units.

Pursue them with little regard to the state of your own units. Time is of the essence here.

Alfred



Lowpe -> RE: Manila Falls (2/11/2016 3:59:28 PM)

Thanks Alfred, I am pursuing and bombing immediately. [&o] I think only a Chinese Corp has any combat value left from watching the replay.






Lowpe -> RE: Manila Falls (2/11/2016 4:00:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GetAssista

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lowpe
Not sure how long I can keep shipping the oil out of Ledo, but it is nice to capture. Pity more troops didn't surrender.

I take it that you forgot to shut the door close for them? =) India road net is good and notorious for having supply routes going everywhere unless you block all paths with LCUs




Yep, left the backdoor open. My bad.[:-] I had plenty of time to close it.



Lowpe -> RE: Manila Falls (2/11/2016 6:42:54 PM)

Tail end of August, 1942

First attack at Sian. CR read weird, cutting AV in 1/2 for both sides with defender malus only for preparation. I don't think there is much supply here, I can strafe without any flak and there is 23 units here.

I read the report wrong, it was a 1-2, but it still looks really good to take the city in 2-3 weeks.

Another solid attack on the Kweiyang road, Chinese reinforced the other day so I need to wear down those troops before advancing on Kweiyang proper. Still, not long.

Sank a two point Dutch minelayer, capacity 75 mines, outside of Noumea by Iboat.[:)]

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Walker84 -> RE: Manila Falls (2/11/2016 7:30:45 PM)

Great coup at Ledo - makes my own efforts at attacking into India seem rather paltry. I agree with Alfred that it makes sense to pursue the retreating units and inflict more losses given that their replacement rates are so low.



Lowpe -> RE: Manila Falls (2/11/2016 7:48:57 PM)

Decision time shortly.[:)]

What to do with the last Oscar Ic squadron? Obviously, upgrading it to a size 30 Frank A squadron is hard to resist, but leaving them as a Oscar Ic squadron has almost no benefit that I can see. The Oscar Ic in the pool are simply a lost cost, I think.

I can use the Ic in China flying escort and LRCAP to use up the frames.

I can use it as a trainer until kamikazes are activated and use it as an extremely poor kamikaze.[:D]

I bite the bullet and upgrade it to the IIb and start bombing Chinese troops with it.

I can use it to fly very low CAP, as sacrificial lambs, to pull down the Lightnings (and Jugs and Corsairs eventually).

What would you do and why?


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Walker84 -> RE: Manila Falls (2/11/2016 8:16:16 PM)

It depends on what your other pools look like IMHO. I would probably use the Ic for a combo of training and 2nd line point defence but upgrade to the IIb when the pools have filled out enough. I can't remember if you are playing PDU off but in my game I am still backfilling the IIb sqns as there are so many that upgrade to that model before the Franks arrive.



Lowpe -> RE: Manila Falls (2/11/2016 8:17:49 PM)

PDU off. so if I upgrade then pretty much bye bye 170 planes. I am leaning toward very low CAP as bait for the Lightnings I think.



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