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jwolf -> RE: November 1943 (12/7/2016 7:50:47 PM)
I think the Germans need to start pulling back inside the Donets.

STEF78 -> RE: November 1943 (12/8/2016 5:20:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jwolf I think the Germans need to start pulling back inside the Donets. They will need to shorten their line and trade ground against time. The russians are able to easily move a CV80 stack if attacked from 3 sides and a CV50 stack if attacked from 2 sides. I've noticed that rifle corps with 2 sapper regiments and a tank regiment are more efficient than rifle corps with 3 sapper regiments. I will build a dozen of medium tank regiments as I have a huge pool. I also build a 43 engineer-brigade as SU to test the efficiency of this unit. they have 25 more sapper squads than sapper regiments and should be stronger.

sillyflower -> RE: November 1943 (12/8/2016 7:40:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: STEF78 I also build a 43 engineer-brigade as SU to test the efficiency of this unit. they have 25 more sapper squads than sapper regiments and should be stronger. If these are the ones with some labour squads in, they don't do combat: only digging.

STEF78 -> RE: November 1943 (12/9/2016 7:43:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sillyflower quote: ORIGINAL: STEF78 I also build a 43 engineer-brigade as SU to test the efficiency of this unit. they have 25 more sapper squads than sapper regiments and should be stronger. If these are the ones with some labour squads in, they don't do combat: only digging. I will wheck when I get the turn back...

STEF78 -> November 1943 (12/9/2016 7:56:29 PM)
Turn 126, 11th november 1943 25th anniversary of 1918's victory... and snow all over the front. Novgorod A 3 inf divs stack in woods can't resist. Note that the german mountain divs which were holding the line in front of Baku are now near Leningrad. [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/346168bobo126nov.jpg[/img] Center Slow advance but we can now advance where we want. German bombers without fighters are an easy prey. [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/892158bobo126c.jpg[/img] Southern bulge Heavy fights east of Rostov and southeast of Kursk. A breakthrough South of Boguchar. a german airbase is mopped up. [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/630368bobo126south.jpg[/img]

vvs007 -> RE: November 1943 (12/12/2016 5:38:22 AM)
great game and elegant AAR watching the events more than a year, almost every day to check for updates in the topic :) could you give a little more statistics (some heroic pilots, the losses, the famous artillery and etc)? many thanks

jwolf -> RE: November 1943 (12/12/2016 2:48:37 PM)
Some good results against the Luftwaffe. I still think the Germans have to withdraw from the front line positions in the Don Bend. They certainly have the room to consolidate and I don't understand why they aren't doing it.

chaos45 -> RE: November 1943 (12/12/2016 4:39:05 PM)
At this point shortening the line doesnt help the Germans as much as you would think. As then the Soviets concentrate more as well...and with no combat delay on hexes a massive soviet concentration is extremely hard to stop. The game is slowly tipping to the point the Germans will just have to start retreat or face multiple army sized encirclement losses if they arent careful

STEF78 -> RE: November 1943 (12/12/2016 8:25:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GDHF great game and elegant AAR watching the events more than a year, almost every day to check for updates in the topic :) could you give a little more statistics (some heroic pilots, the losses, the famous artillery and etc)? many thanks Thanks for your kind words. Tell me which statistics you're interested in. Below some specific datas. First, my best leaders per size of headquater. I kept Shaposhnikov at Stavka. Not sure if it's the best choice. At least it's historical. The global win/loss battle is in my favor! [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/305805leaders.jpg[/img] My best air units. Max TOE moved to 40 early december. I'm heavily using tactical bombers [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/392469airbest.jpg[/img] And my best rifle corps. CV is low due to move and fights. Picture is at the end of the turn [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/972308riflebest.jpg[/img]

STEF78 -> RE: November 1943 (12/12/2016 8:30:21 PM)
The losses. Game is intense as shown by the losses of the turn (pictures taken after 90% of the fights were done) Ground losses [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/690580losses130.jpg[/img] And air losses [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/571673airlosses130.jpg[/img]

STEF78 -> RE: November 1943 (12/12/2016 8:35:32 PM)
And my art unit [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/610283bestart130.jpg[/img] Rocket [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/308476bestrckt130.jpg[/img] and tank corps [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/861305besttk130.jpg[/img]

vvs007 -> RE: November 1943 (12/12/2016 10:44:01 PM)
thank you very much where is the best Soviet Marshal - Zhukov? we look forward to continuing fighting, the more that is approaching liberation of my native city Gorlovka (114;95)[:)]; try to do it without bombers, rocket and art divisions [:-] gg

STEF78 -> RE: November 1943 (12/13/2016 5:43:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jwolf ...I still think the Germans have to withdraw from the front line positions in the Don Bend. They certainly have the room to consolidate and I don't understand why they aren't doing it. I's hard for the german to choose between time and ground... at the moment, Bobo is doing fine but some parts of the front are now really weakening. He will have an headache... quote: ORIGINAL: chaos45 At this point shortening the line doesnt help the Germans as much as you would think. As then the Soviets concentrate more as well...and with no combat delay on hexes a massive soviet concentration is extremely hard to stop. The game is slowly tipping to the point the Germans will just have to start retreat or face multiple army sized encirclement losses if they arent careful It depends on the level of fortification. If the german can prepare a line of level 3 forts with 2 or 3 infs stacked. It can be hard to crack. Unfortunatly for Bobo, I'm now facing in several parts of the front level 0 or 1 forts... Time is on my side!

STEF78 -> November 1943 (12/13/2016 7:44:18 PM)
Turn 127, 18th november 1943 Winter campaign is well on with grinding in several parts of the front. I would bet that unless a large withdrawal is ordered, the german line will collapse before mud 1944. Leningrad Axis line is strong in this area. My first goal is to reach gulf of Finland in order to separate the germans and the finns. [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/645684bobo127nov.jpg[/img] Center the line is now weaker. In some places, I'm facing level forts 0 or 1. That's fine! I also like to see 3 inf divs gathering only 33k men [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/340579bobo127c.jpg[/img] South The northern flank of the bulge is strongly defended. The germans are progressively giving up Don bend [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/655007bobo127s.jpg[/img]

EwaldvonKleist -> RE: November 1943 (12/13/2016 9:17:01 PM)
The funny thing is that you are a quarter of a year behind the curve in the south, but in the North/Center, the shortest route to Berlin, you are historical. Will be an interesting and tense endgame+AAR (like before).

STEF78 -> RE: November 1943 (12/14/2016 5:54:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: EwaldvonKleist The funny thing is that you are a quarter of a year behind the curve in the south, but in the North/Center, the shortest route to Berlin, you are historical. Will be an interesting and tense endgame+AAR (like before). I thought I was more behind the curve, but it's true. North of Bryansk we are roughly historical. In the South, the frontline should be on the Dniepr. The main difference was Bobo's 1942 campaign. More success, no loss of 6th army. Below historical frontline. [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/569842EasternFront194308to194412.png[/img]

vvs007 -> RE: November 1943 (12/14/2016 8:13:01 PM)
The front line is really far away from the historical, but the balance of power is better than historical in your favor: 1.01.44 (USSR vs GERMANY(incl sat)) men 6.4 - 4.9 mio guns 95.6 - 54 k AFV 5.3 - 5.4 k !!! planes 10.2 - 3.1 k We are waiting for ten Stalin's blows [:)]

EwaldvonKleist -> RE: November 1943 (12/14/2016 8:26:43 PM)
Yes, all in all, it is far behind, but I think here the shortest route to Berlin (Smolensk-Minsk-Warsaw) matters. And there, Stef is fine (a little bit better at Leningrad, a little bit worser at Smolensk). The big buldge in the south will have to be ceded to the Soviet once the frontline becomes too long. Where do you have your numbers fromGDHF?

vvs007 -> RE: November 1943 (12/14/2016 9:29:43 PM)
to EwaldvonKleist, paper books - "History WW2" (12;1973) russian [image]local://upfiles/40766/B76545CCF1004BF68A9B12F111D57C2F.jpg[/image]

EwaldvonKleist -> RE: November 1943 (12/14/2016 9:52:27 PM)
Thank you very much GDHF, this is one of the moments when one wants to speak russian. Well, at my university, one can take russia as a language course. So maybe... At least there is a similiar work with multiple volumes in my mother language German, called "Das deutsche Reich und der Zweite Weltkrieg", one or two of them were even translated into english.

tolsdorff -> RE: November 1943 (12/15/2016 9:03:58 AM)
I learned to read russian which goes rather well. speaking it is an entirely different thing though! extremely difficult to understand spoken russian.

STEF78 -> November 1943 (12/18/2016 8:30:37 PM)
Turn 128, 25th november 1943 Major rivers aren't still frozen. Some axis units benefit from rest before storm. Leningrad We have reached the gulf of Finland. German units and finns units are separated! [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/970441bobo128nov.jpg[/img] Center The germans give some ground between Kursk and Orel. Without level 3 entrenchment a PzGrD is unable to resist. [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/202861bobo128c.jpg[/img] Don bend Heavy fights east of Kharkov. The germans give up 20 miles between Boguchar and Rostov [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/394230bobo128don.png[/img]

vvs007 -> RE: November 1943 (12/18/2016 11:47:34 PM)
I'm afraid that will leave the game in favor of the game vs Bozo well that is another game quickly ended [:D](do not be offended - it's just a joke)

STEF78 -> RE: November 1943 (12/19/2016 7:31:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GDHF I'm afraid that will leave the game in favor of the game vs Bozo well that is another game quickly ended [:D](do not be offended - it's just a joke) Bozo is the best player I've played against (except maybe Schascha). We did 3 games and I lost 3 times. My best performance was when I played the germans. As already written I would have liked to see him against Michael T or Sapper222.

vvs007 -> RE: November 1943 (12/20/2016 1:03:56 AM)
WITE has a lot of problems with balance and movement rules, the supply system -build up -units have no front or rear -the supply of all army using a single branch railway -inability to destroy the air on this branch of the railway etc etc these unhistorical and unrelated to real life Take for example counterattacks mechanized corps of the Red Army, in the game it is a useless thing, a suicide, but in real life Zhukov won a lot of time, resources, caused serious damage to the Wehrmacht and save Kiev from the same as the quick capture of Minsk there are gamers who have learned to very good use of those errors mechanics do not like such achievements but nevertheless, we love exactly this game - in other games mechanics more far from reality

topeverest -> RE: November 1943 (12/20/2016 8:52:08 PM)
Been reading since I started my game as the ruskies. Osmosis isn't working for me, so I will just have to learn the old fashioned way - by studying others' results. great insight here. Thanks

STEF78 -> RE: November 1943 (12/21/2016 6:39:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GDHF ...WITE has a lot of problems with balance and movement rules, the supply system -build up -units have no front or rear -the supply of all army using a single branch railway -inability to destroy the air on this branch of the railway... Agreed. The game isn't perfect. I would had to the list above: - Permissive logistics allowing german Pzd to move several hundred of miles without rest... - Encircled units unable to resist more than 2 weeks - Time/scale. Due to the IGOYOUGO-one week turn, and in order to avoid great encirclement, the russians build a 40 miles deep defence. That's unhistorical. - AFV losses are far too low - once they have the initiative, the russians are able to attack during a whole season without rest But it's the best simulation of WW2 eastern front so far

STEF78 -> RE: November 1943 (12/21/2016 6:42:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: topeverest Been reading since I started my game as the ruskies. Osmosis isn't working for me, so I will just have to learn the old fashioned way - by studying others' results. great insight here. Thanks Thanks Learning through others AAR is a good way. But my best lessons come from my personal mistakes/defeats against human players

STEF78 -> December 1943 (12/21/2016 8:47:46 AM)
Turn 129, 2nd december 1943 Russian winter is here. Major rivers won't be an issue within 2 weeks. [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/416402bobo129weather.jpg[/img] Leningrad The battle for Leningrad has begun. Finns are well entrenched but they are fighting at 1 against 10. And I must sack this Krylov! [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/704999bobo129nov.jpg[/img] Center The german line is always weaker between Smolensk and Orel [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/703964bobo129smo.jpg[/img] Don bend The germans are giving 10/20 miles. It prevents hasty attacks. [img]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/885682bobo129bogu.jpg[/img]

STEF78 -> December 1943 (1/1/2017 6:45:46 PM)
Turn 130, 9th december 1943 Slow rate of update as we played only 2 turns during the last 3 weeks and as we are only 2 turns ahead. That's why some areas in the center are hidden. Center The german line holds but time is hard for front line german units. A routed german Pzd is losing only 20 afv... [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/378905bobo130c.jpg[/img] Don bend The germans are still giving 20 miles per week but try to hold Rostov. Very strong line in front of Kharkov [img]http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/442959bobo130s.jpg[/img]

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