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HITMAN202 -> RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G (2/26/2016 3:24:23 PM)

MT, I was pointing out the incredible change psychologically the German player has to make facing blizzard '41. You stood you're ground and fought (against who ???) and I, being a rabbit, ran; ran not all the way to Poland but fast and far. Remember, (as I defend my actions) I faced THEPROS who had built up a huge army (which I allowed) and escaped the frost with a stable front (Sillyflower would probably agree as much). Clearly I'm not critiquing your WITE skills, for you are one of the best. In this blizzard scenario I was Hitwimp, but also Hitwise.



timmyab -> RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G (2/26/2016 3:39:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Michael T
Pity the game is in such a state of flux, I really want to play again. But it's a quagmire of exploits and other crazies ATM.

It's still great fun to play though Mike. you should have a go. Go on.
If you haven't played for a while you may be surprised at the strength the Axis have.



sillyflower -> RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G (2/26/2016 9:09:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HITMAN202

MT, I was pointing out the incredible change psychologically the German player has to make facing blizzard '41. You stood you're ground and fought (against who ???) and I, being a rabbit, ran; ran not all the way to Poland but fast and far. Remember, (as I defend my actions) I faced THEPROS who had built up a huge army (which I allowed) and escaped the frost with a stable front (Sillyflower would probably agree as much). In this blizzard scenario I was Hitwimp, but also Hitwise.


I do have to agree. Shame that RL got in the way of the game prevented Belphegor and me from taking Berlin in late '44. especially as we were also trash-talk winners on your AAR which was even more fun than the game [:)]



Michael T -> RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G (2/26/2016 11:09:01 PM)

@ Hitman, no worries it's all in jest [:)]

Sure that blizzard ( v Kamil) was a nightmare but an experience I would not swap. A great exercise in honing mental toughness in wargame world. And after all the spruiking I did about not running I really had no choice. The Poland remark was a jibe at Pelton, as he can't reply ATM [:D]

If we can get a stable patch that is close to balanced I am back in, but ATM it's all over the place. The air is nuts. I am talking 08. I would rather stick with 07, it was close.



M60A3TTS -> RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G (2/27/2016 12:38:54 AM)

I don't know what that HQ displacement bug is all about. In my games with Dave, I don't recall ever seeing it.



sillyflower -> RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G (3/1/2016 11:11:31 AM)

This game and AAR going into hibernation for a short while. I've strained my back so sitting up at my desk is limited to a few minutes a day. Also my vestibulitis has returned. The meds I had in UK were brilliant 1st time round worked brilliantly but destroyed all powers of concentration and cognitive reasoning for the 2 weeks I had to take them. French meds are different so don't know what they will do to me yet.

As a man, I know that both these conditions are probably fatal, but with luck I should survive ....................[;)]



Michael T -> RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G (3/1/2016 9:11:52 PM)

I hope your back gets better soon, as for the other condition...[X(]



loki100 -> RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G (3/1/2016 10:03:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: sillyflower

This game and AAR going into hibernation for a short while. I've strained my back so sitting up at my desk is limited to a few minutes a day. Also my vestibulitis has returned. The meds I had in UK were brilliant 1st time round worked brilliantly but destroyed all powers of concentration and cognitive reasoning for the 2 weeks I had to take them. French meds are different so don't know what they will do to me yet.

....


hope you get better soon



charlie0311 -> RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G (3/1/2016 11:11:54 PM)

Not too soon, :), no really hope you can fully recover.



Peltonx -> RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G (3/2/2016 11:16:24 PM)

Heal up asap.



sillyflower -> RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G (3/7/2016 9:19:25 PM)

Thank you for your good wishes, which no doubt made the difference between life and death. Brian is still doing his 1st blizzard turn - v. busy RL at the moment.

Anyway, getting better now and the French meds have left my cognitive functioning intact. I think so anyway so here's T23 north

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I upgraded to .08 before starting my turn. Brian did not until midway through his next turn. However, as the Russian logistics happen on my computer, I fear that he will get his dead units back at little or no cost. The combat featured is the fall of the last hex of L.grad. Killed the 2 div pocket (inc a cav xx [:D]) about 10 hexes up from the bottom of the picture, but not much other activity beyond a small bit of line straightening.



sillyflower -> RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G (3/7/2016 9:29:05 PM)

Moscow area

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Again a bit of pocket clearing + line straightening but also a bit of whacking where that would result in routs due to retreating through ZOCs or over-stacking. I also jump on cav xx wherever I can to weaken them before they turn into cav xxx. I suspect Brian has a bad arms crunch (readers of his AAR may know) and cav squads cost x5 the cost of inf squads: 41 to 8 IIRC.

Otherwise just sorting out some defences for the big bad blizzard (actually the mild version). The 2 mtn divs do garrison duty in Rhzev and Kaluga, getting ready for to re-enter front line service.



sillyflower -> RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G (3/7/2016 9:40:48 PM)

South

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Voroshilov and the western bank of the Donets cleared of Stalinists. More good cav xx bashing.He has quite a lot in the front line. When playing Russian I try to pull then all out of the front line by now to let them rest and refit before the blizzard starts.

That's all for tonight folks - back still a bit sore.



HITMAN202 -> RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G (3/8/2016 12:06:53 AM)

60 year-old bodies heal slowly. Backs doubly so. In regards to reasoning ability, a slight recovery would be adequate for you. Not most.. In regards to French medications, your physician son could be pressured in his filial obligations and send appropriate contraband.



Peltonx -> RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G (3/8/2016 2:55:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sillyflower

Thank you for your good wishes, which no doubt made the difference between life and death..


NP any time you need your life saved just ask

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sillyflower -> RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G (3/8/2016 11:15:26 AM)

T23 middle

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Having cleared the Donets basin, I head north to deal with his mud advance.A pocket of 7 units is formed, but only weakly held because I attacked a couple of stacks in the wrong order.

This is my weak spot for the winter, but at least it is almost all in the middle zone (light green), not the north zone which is the light blueish colour.



sillyflower -> RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G (3/8/2016 11:32:44 AM)

Thoughts on T23

Losses 6.1K to 105K, air 60 v 202.

Units destroyed: 12 inf xx, 2 cav xx [:)], 1 arm x, 1 inf x and 3 arty regts. Not the AP crunch it would have been - at least I assume not as the Russian logistic phase seems to happen at the end of my turn before turn goes back to the server [:(]. Brian did not update until part way through his turn.

Russian OOB just under 4.5M so no sign of the mystery 500K men that someone thought Brian would have, and there are 4 inf xx, 1 gd cav xx and 3 inf x in the pocket in the middle of the map.

1 more turn to disrupt him before the blizzard hits, but it's clear that Brian's offensive capabilities will be well below average with a small army that has been smacked around a bit.



Peltonx -> RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G (3/9/2016 10:06:35 PM)

What are total loses to date?

Also like an up-date on OOB turn 25 if possible thanks



sillyflower -> RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G (3/9/2016 10:40:06 PM)

Will post all that data in the next day or 2.

They pale into insignificance compared to getting tickets today to see Bruce's The River tour in Paris on 13 July [&o]. 1 of my (as yet) unfulfilled ambitions



Peltonx -> RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G (3/10/2016 12:17:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: sillyflower

Will post all that data in the next day or 2.

They pale into insignificance compared to getting tickets today to see Bruce's The River tour in Paris on 13 July [&o]. 1 of my (as yet) unfulfilled ambitions

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Bruce's The River tour in Paris on 13 July


Grats



sillyflower -> RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G (3/10/2016 10:05:17 AM)

T24 -the last turn of reasonable weather




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As you can see, Brian's attacks had v. little success. I didn't do much - just line straightening and going for routs where possible as part of plan 'b#@@*& up (sorry: I mean 'pre-empt') Brian's blizzard O' aka Operation BUBBO



sillyflower -> RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G (3/10/2016 10:09:59 AM)

moscow. Operation BUBBO continues



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1 highlight: his partisans still have a lot to learn about which rail lines they need to focus on.



sillyflower -> RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G (3/10/2016 10:21:16 AM)

Duplicate



sillyflower -> RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G (3/10/2016 10:22:21 AM)

middle

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same old



sillyflower -> RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G (3/10/2016 10:24:31 AM)

south at last...........

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The most fun part of BUBBO including clearing out the Donets bend again.

He actually broke the pocket in 2 places last turn, so I resealed properly though I had to let 2 inf xx rout out to achieve this. Not taking any chances because of blizzard next turn, but I could not allow a gd cav xx to escape my cooking pots.



sillyflower -> RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G (3/10/2016 10:39:15 AM)

Thoughts on T24

Losses 8.6K to only 22K but 54 Russian units routed and 77 cav squads were killed - the equivalent of a whole div. Air 59 to 198.

Operation BUBBO was declared to be a great success. There were a lot of cav xx in the front lines and they were attacked wherever possible, and the routs will affect his attack capabilities in the most vulnerable area, for some time to come. 1 problem he will have is that his inf xx TOEs increase greatly with the 41c TOE which is introduced on the 1st blizzard turn. Unless Russian inf xx start the blizzard near 100% TOE, conversion to 41c means that their % TOE goes down to a level where a turn or 2 or combat + attrition can make them become unready ie useless for offensive purposes.

I did find a lot of cav xx everywhere, but no sign of any concentration or stacks refitting and getting ready to become xxx on T25. I can't believe he isn't doing this to some extent, but I like what I see so far.

I have largely ignored his push out of the Crimea so far, using Romanians a a screening force. His forces there are weak, and not easy to supply and reinforce, even if he can afford to. They are no threat to my rail lines and the further he comes out, the easier it will be for the rebuilt panzer forces to use them as target practice in early '42, in the same way that the Mongol Khans used to organise huge hunts to train their forces for mobile warfare. I shall continue to screen them but that's about it.



sillyflower -> RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G (3/10/2016 10:58:18 AM)

OOb end T24

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I will do an analysis of the game so far inc. losses sometime soon so watch this space, or not as you prefer



loki100 -> RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G (3/10/2016 11:17:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: sillyflower

1 highlight: his partisans still have a lot to learn about which rail lines the need to focus on.


they seem to have a fixation with that particular rail spur. Its the same in WiTW, the French partisans just love to blow up the rail link on the Swiss/French border.

A while back I read a very good doctoral thesis on the partisan war and it had some really interesting insights. Not just that the Soviet propaganda of an entire nation united against the invader was false but the amount of deal making between local partisan groups and local occupation forces.

In places, they would more or less agree that they would make an attack at 'Z', or have to do something (or their respective superiors would be suspicious). Equally they would warn each other if fresh formations (which would be more likely to fight) were being sent into the region.

Not to say the reality wasn't grim/awful/almost beyond understanding, but it was quite nuanced. So I'd put the fixation with blowing up a bridge at the far end of small branch line into that category [8D]



SigUp -> RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G (3/10/2016 11:45:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: loki100

Not just that the Soviet propaganda of an entire nation united against the invader was false but the amount of deal making between local partisan groups and local occupation forces.

So they did that in the East too? Didn't know that. Sounds awfully similar to some stories about the communist partisans in China and the Japanese occupation forces. There they sometimes made deals like ammunition-for-food in-between the hostilities. [8D]



sillyflower -> RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G (3/10/2016 5:13:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: loki100

In places, they would more or less agree that they would make an attack at 'Z', or have to do something (or their respective superiors would be suspicious). Equally they would warn each other if fresh formations (which would be more likely to fight) were being sent into the region.

So I'd put the fixation with blowing up a bridge at the far end of small branch line into that category [8D]


I'm very sorry Loki, but this is an unacceptable post.

To belittle a major intelligence success of my security troops in this way is both misleading and defamatory. I suggest, nay insist, that you come to Berlin as my guest for appropriate re-education. The partisans were fooled into this attack by a brave agent who led them into an ambush at a real risk to himself. Fortunately, our man escaped in the confusion.



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