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warspite1 -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (5/28/2016 10:44:55 PM)

Ormster my only thought about FF production is the extent to which it could help the Allies defend the Mediterranean - e.g. through TERR. However I am totally opposed to the French adding any burden on the CW's shoulders at this time. They have their hands full just getting everything done. The French navy - with its ability to do naval impulses should be entirely subordinate to the RN.



Orm -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (5/29/2016 9:32:34 AM)

To many territorials that appear in the wrong countries for comfort. Currently I think that it might be best if France focus on TRS and air power. Maybe a HQ later on.

To bad that the French TRS was lost.

I really need to read up on the rules regarding Free France, units and production. I think France is allowed to place one reinforcement per turn. My thoughts is that eventually CW should be able to trade 2 BPs per turn to France. But at the moment I think that will deplete the convoy reserves.

Note that in the picture below many units, mostly ships, were filtered out to show the aircrafts and all the territorials.

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Courtenay -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (5/29/2016 2:46:08 PM)

My advice is to get the BPs to France as quickly as possible. Priorities for French builds should be TRS and/or AMPHs. After that, French LND are next -- the Allies never have enough air actions, and free ground strikes are useful. However, the ability to transport Allied units during a CW or US land is even move useful. I would build TRS first, because the Allies won't be doing many invasions immediately. By 1943, you will want an AMPH or two, but that is a long ways away. I would not bother with French land units.



peskpesk -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (5/29/2016 8:43:34 PM)

Yes, send a min of two build points each turn. Build no land units only TRS and planes/pilots to start with. Some even build a Factory...



Orm -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (5/30/2016 9:23:05 PM)

So do you have a updated plan to force Germany to surrender the Finnish Borderlands? US would really like to avoid losing 2 entry chits for a Soviet DOW on Finland so I would prefer if Germany didn't dare fight with Finland. And if it goes to war I hope that USSR has a plan to fight it to a fast and satisfactory end.

Summer is fast coming up. Will you be ready next turn? That is if Germany turns his focus elsewhere.

I mostly bring this up because I have nothing to ponder on in France/Spain before I see what Axis does. [:D]



warspite1 -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (5/31/2016 5:31:10 AM)

Like you I can't do much until I know the Axis plan. Essentially my turns are:

a) Leaving free what I need for the ChiComms
b) Using what is left to ensure I stay ahead of the Germans on the border (and the Japanese)
c) What is left after that to think about other things. With Iraq now firmly on the back-burner that puts Finland as No.1 - but won't happen (if at all) until I know about a) and I am comfortable that I can maintain b).



warspite1 -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (5/31/2016 6:04:25 AM)

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Summer is fast coming up.


What do you mean summer is fast coming up? This whole game, in the words of Girls Aloud, "it's been a long hot summer". Spring is here and its er... summer, and frankly when the summer months actually arrive I don't think we'll notice the difference [;)]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-72xwJ4ytY



Orm -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (5/31/2016 9:29:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Like you I can't do much until I know the Axis plan. Essentially my turns are:

a) Leaving free what I need for the ChiComms
b) Using what is left to ensure I stay ahead of the Germans on the border (and the Japanese)
c) What is left after that to think about other things. With Iraq now firmly on the back-burner that puts Finland as No.1 - but won't happen (if at all) until I know about a) and I am comfortable that I can maintain b).

I am not arguing with you about this.

It is just that the window for Finland operations is, in my humble opinion very tight. This, of course, depends on the Axis progress and actions. If we go for Finland then I think Germany must be focused elsewhere. Spain and Gibraltar the probable target. And the Axis timetable could look like something like this.

Mar/Apr '40: Move forces to the Spanish border. Conquer Algeria.
May/Jun: Conquer Spain.
Jul/Aug: Capture Gibraltar and El Rif (Solving the Yugoslav and/or Greek issue).
Sep/Oct: Conquer Morocco and moving forces to Poland.
Nov/Dec: Moving forces to Poland.
Jan/Feb '41: Moving forces to Poland and/or declaring war on USSR.
Mar/Apr: DOW on USSR. Clear Eastern Poland and the Baltic.
May/Jun: Germany move into mainland USSR
Jul/Aug: Japan DOW USSR

The above is not a completely unlikely timetable.

If Germany is able to reinforce Finland with a couple of units then conquering Finland may take a couple of turns. Or even more depending on the pressure that Japan puts on the Chinese Communists and this may be considerable since it is summer in that area as well.

Therefore I think that if we go for Finland then we do not have much time.



warspite1 -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (5/31/2016 5:24:37 PM)

Who is arguing about anything? Maybe my comment was not clear in its intent? Have you assumed a) b) and c) are sequential?

I am talking about individual impulses. Given the weather - and the maelstrom that is no doubt going to hit the Chinese, I need to keep some of my 5 moves aside for the Chinese.

Any left over (along with rail and air rebases) will be used to garrison the border with dem Narzeyes.

To the extent that I safely can, units will be allocated to Karelia and the Karelian Isthmus for possible use in Finland.



brian brian -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (5/31/2016 10:12:57 PM)

China is doing well. The Japanese are very passive with no campaign in the south at all, and they just invested in a SYNTH. With little or no infantry reinforcements on the way, they are unlikely to open a front out of Canton during Monsoon season. And the Si-An front is now quite stabilized with the ChiComm reinforcements appearing.

A 1941 Barbarossa with a closed Med is extremely serious. The advantage of a Demand for the Finnish Borderlands is that it helps keep the rail line to Murmansk open for enough impulses to move two factories there. If the Germans accept War, there is no need to push all the way to Helsinki, but the threat of doing that should allow the Russians to clear the north completely. The down side is that it will take that much longer to get to US Entry Option 29 (Lend-Lease BPs to USSR) and ?32? (US Re-Flags Merchant Ships).

The Allies are due for a nice Rainy month of May, 1940.



Orm -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (6/4/2016 9:05:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Who is arguing about anything? Maybe my comment was not clear in its intent? Have you assumed a) b) and c) are sequential?

I am talking about individual impulses. Given the weather - and the maelstrom that is no doubt going to hit the Chinese, I need to keep some of my 5 moves aside for the Chinese.

Any left over (along with rail and air rebases) will be used to garrison the border with dem Narzeyes.

To the extent that I safely can, units will be allocated to Karelia and the Karelian Isthmus for possible use in Finland.

I was expressing myself poorly. [:(] I am agreeing with you.

Point a) is what it is and we can't affect this other than to cancel offensive manoeuvres which we currently have none.
Point b) is currently done. The border ratios is secure unless Axis begins shifting major forces to the border. Germany is currently 37 units away from declaring war. Japan is 6 units away so that area needs watching although Japan has difficulty getting units to this area. So as long as USSR has reinforcements available to be placed (or pilots and planes in the reserve pool) then this front should be secure.

USSR should be ready for a possible winter attack by Germany. Once January 1941 arrives Germany is very likely to be able to declare war on USSR. With the option "breaking the Nazi pact" in play it is very tough in stopping Germany from breaking the pact during '40 if they so desire.


Soon it will be revealed what Axis plans to do during '40 and CW is not in a good position to do much about it. CW has been reacting to Axis moves to much for comfort. I've been pondering on how to defend Bayonne, Spain, Algeria, Gibraltar, Spanish Morocco, and Morocco. And my conclusion is that CW will not be able to provide a defence I am comfortable with. I still believe, or rather hope, that the CW pre-war goals for this area might be achieved.

The Soviet position, on the other hand, is fairly good. The question is how it will become even stronger when 1941 arrives.



warspite1 -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (6/5/2016 5:56:04 AM)

The Soviet orders

French navy entirely subordinate to the RN. I am assuming a naval with the CW to get all our ducks in a row because we are going to need to try and end this turn ASAP! Nothing "clever" to be done now other than make sure there are no easy wins given to the enemy if possible i.e. max defence of Gibraltar, Egypt/Syria.

Do we use the units in France as suicide troops or are they needed for Gib?

Soviets

Rail Movement
6-6 Arm to Persia to Novgorod

Land
5-3 Tianshui to one hex east
5-3 to Zhukov
1-5 to Zhukov
4-4 Timoshenko to 28,52
5-4 Leningrad to 37,54

Re-base
SB-2RK Persia to Stavropol





Orm -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (6/5/2016 8:18:55 AM)

I suspect that the forces in Bayonne will be left for quite a while. There is no sea lift available even if I wanted them evacuated. And at the moment I think they annoy the Axis, and one of my main goals with CW is to make them annoyed. Maybe annoyed isn't the right word. [:)]




warspite1 -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (6/5/2016 8:19:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Orm

I suspect that the forces in Bayonne will be left for quite a while. There is no sea lift available even if I wanted them evacuated. And at the moment I think they annoy the Axis, and one of my main goals with CW is to make them annoyed. Maybe annoyed isn't the right word. [:)]


warspite1

PITA? [:D]



Orm -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (6/5/2016 8:31:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm

I suspect that the forces in Bayonne will be left for quite a while. There is no sea lift available even if I wanted them evacuated. And at the moment I think they annoy the Axis, and one of my main goals with CW is to make them annoyed. Maybe annoyed isn't the right word. [:)]


warspite1

PITA? [:D]


I rather be in their face than in their rear. [:D]



warspite1 -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (6/5/2016 8:43:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Orm


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm

I suspect that the forces in Bayonne will be left for quite a while. There is no sea lift available even if I wanted them evacuated. And at the moment I think they annoy the Axis, and one of my main goals with CW is to make them annoyed. Maybe annoyed isn't the right word. [:)]


warspite1

PITA? [:D]


I rather be in their face than in their rear. [:D]
warspite1

Cheeky! [;)]



Orm -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (6/5/2016 8:48:29 AM)

I am doing the CW and French naval now. Do you think I should keep the convoys in Bay of Biscay and Cape St. Vincent or beginning with the rerouting?



warspite1 -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (6/5/2016 8:52:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Orm

I am doing the CW and French naval now. Do you think I should keep the convoys in Bay of Biscay and Cape St. Vincent or beginning with the rerouting?
warspite1

If we can re-route then yes go for it. Do we have enough CP for that though?



Orm -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (6/5/2016 8:57:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: warspite1


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ORIGINAL: Orm

I am doing the CW and French naval now. Do you think I should keep the convoys in Bay of Biscay and Cape St. Vincent or beginning with the rerouting?
warspite1

If we can re-route then yes go for it. Do we have enough CP for that though?


Not enough to do it in one turn.



Orm -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (6/5/2016 8:59:07 AM)

My initial plan was to stay in both sea areas to get Axis to spend energy, resources, and time, on the convoy war.

But, alas, I am behind my plan, or maybe one could say that Axis is way ahead.



warspite1 -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (6/5/2016 9:01:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Orm


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ORIGINAL: warspite1


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ORIGINAL: Orm

I am doing the CW and French naval now. Do you think I should keep the convoys in Bay of Biscay and Cape St. Vincent or beginning with the rerouting?
warspite1

If we can re-route then yes go for it. Do we have enough CP for that though?


Not enough to do it in one turn.
warspite1

Depends then on how big a hit we have to take, but let's be honest, unless we start getting good luck on the weather / turn length / moving first / combat throws.... er just about everything really, then the Axis are going to move through Spain like a hot knife through butter.

I think everything we do is with a view to allowing us the ability to end the turn early.... and then hope..[sm=innocent0001.gif]



Orm -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (6/5/2016 9:06:22 AM)

While I want a short turn I also want Axis to end it. I really want the turn marker to move one step to the middle point.



Orm -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (6/5/2016 9:09:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Depends then on how big a hit we have to take, but let's be honest, unless we start getting good luck on the weather / turn length / moving first / combat throws.... er just about everything really, then the Axis are going to move through Spain like a hot knife through butter.


Axis are going to move through Spain at full speed regardless of any speed bumps we throw in their way. It was comes after Spain that worries me.



Orm -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (6/5/2016 9:11:14 AM)

With that said I really would like to get a US entry roll for 'CW support Spain' but getting that might be tricky.



warspite1 -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (6/5/2016 9:20:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Orm

While I want a short turn I also want Axis to end it. I really want the turn marker to move one step to the middle point.
warspite1

Sure, but we cannot allow that as a reason for not passing surely? If the dice are going to roll in the Axis favour then no matter how much we don't end the turn, its not going to help - and will just damage our chances more due to the Axis getting more impulses. Of course they may get that anyway if the turn-end throws are rubbish...... [:D]



warspite1 -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (6/5/2016 9:21:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Orm


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Depends then on how big a hit we have to take, but let's be honest, unless we start getting good luck on the weather / turn length / moving first / combat throws.... er just about everything really, then the Axis are going to move through Spain like a hot knife through butter.


Axis are going to move through Spain at full speed regardless of any speed bumps we throw in their way. It was comes after Spain that worries me.
warspite1

Well as I am in the way, that kind of worries me too, but let's worry about one cataclysm at a time. I'm a bloke, I can't multi-task [:)]



warspite1 -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (6/5/2016 9:22:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Orm

With that said I really would like to get a US entry roll for 'CW support Spain' but getting that might be tricky.
warspite1

....and based on US entry throws so far, it would also fail anyway.......[:D]



Orm -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (6/5/2016 9:30:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: warspite1


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ORIGINAL: Orm

With that said I really would like to get a US entry roll for 'CW support Spain' but getting that might be tricky.
warspite1

....and based on US entry throws so far, it would also fail anyway.......[:D]

Here is the quotes you were looking for but didn't find. [;)]

"If at first you don't succeed, Mr. Warspite"

"Try, try again, Orm."



Orm -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (6/5/2016 9:31:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Depends then on how big a hit we have to take, but let's be honest, unless we start getting good luck on the weather / turn length / moving first / combat throws.... er just about everything really, then the Axis are going to move through Spain like a hot knife through butter.


Axis are going to move through Spain at full speed regardless of any speed bumps we throw in their way. It was comes after Spain that worries me.
warspite1

Well as I am in the way, that kind of worries me too, but let's worry about one cataclysm at a time. I'm a bloke, I can't multi-task [:)]


That is why I moved past Spain. [:D]



warspite1 -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (6/11/2016 6:42:02 AM)

Okay first question before looking at any orders.

Are we in a position to try and end the turn? 30% chance if we all pass?



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