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warspite1 -> RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans (5/22/2016 8:11:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Orm

Last impulse I landed a garrison in the same hex as the HQ. So now I have the possibility to replace the HQ. Or send forces to Bordeaux. The down side is that most units will be disorganized. And that there will be ship, and transporters, in French ports.
warspite1

Personal opinion? NO TRS in French ports - they are bound to get port struck.....



Orm -> RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans (5/22/2016 8:18:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: warspite1


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ORIGINAL: Orm

Last impulse I landed a garrison in the same hex as the HQ. So now I have the possibility to replace the HQ. Or send forces to Bordeaux. The down side is that most units will be disorganized. And that there will be ship, and transporters, in French ports.
warspite1

Personal opinion? NO TRS in French ports - they are bound to get port struck.....


Pretty much my opinion as well. Although this might be an exception to the rule. Axis has no port striking capability in range. And I do not see them getting that before I get a opportunity to abandon the port. But they might try to intercept the TRS if they get a sub there first.



Orm -> RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans (5/22/2016 8:23:36 PM)

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That 2-3 ART looks tempting.....

That looks like a 1:1 attack to me. If I am right then we have a 20% chance to destroy the artillery but it is a 70 risk that our warlord is history. I do not like those odds. [:(]



Orm -> RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans (5/22/2016 8:25:58 PM)

Opening up Sian for the garrison reinforcement looks safe enough.



warspite1 -> RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans (5/22/2016 8:31:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Orm

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That 2-3 ART looks tempting.....

That looks like a 1:1 attack to me. If I am right then we have a 20% chance to destroy the artillery but it is a 70 risk that our warlord is history. I do not like those odds. [:(]
warspite1

No - that is why in my orders list I have not gone ahead with it [:)]



Orm -> RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans (5/22/2016 9:13:54 PM)

Instead of attacking Iraq we have the option of CW attacking Syria. The downside is that Vichy then becomes active. The positive is that there is no land units in Syria and the US entry penalty is lower than for Iraq. The Vichy oil is in Syria so capturing, or destroying it, is a bonus.

It is also a bit negative that CW do is not in the position to knock out more Vichy colonies at the same time. CW, unfortunately, has no divisions on map at the moment.

Anyway. It is a alternative. And I am not that fearful of combat with Vichy.

Thoughts?



warspite1 -> RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans (5/22/2016 9:23:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Orm

Instead of attacking Iraq we have the option of CW attacking Syria. The downside is that Vichy then becomes active. The positive is that there is no land units in Syria and the US entry penalty is lower than for Iraq. The Vichy oil is in Syria so capturing, or destroying it, is a bonus.

It is also a bit negative that CW do is not in the position to knock out more Vichy colonies at the same time. CW, unfortunately, has no divisions on map at the moment.

Anyway. It is a alternative. And I am not that fearful of combat with Vichy.

Thoughts?
warspite1

That would be acceptable - and I will hold units near Iraq in the meantime for as long as there is a chance of stopping a 1940 Barbarossa. Unless we are unlucky with turn end the Soviets should be able to stop a German declaration of war this turn and the start of next at least. I will bring units from Karelia. What about Japan? Should the Soviets encourage a Japanese attack for US Entry purposes or try and defend against it?



Orm -> RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans (5/22/2016 9:27:48 PM)

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Should the Soviets encourage a Japanese attack for US Entry purposes or try and defend against it?

Defend against it. A double attack on USSR is a real pain.



Orm -> RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans (5/22/2016 9:33:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Courtenay

At all costs prevent a 1940 Barbarossa. I have never seen one that was not an Allied disaster.

Thank you for the advice. [:)]



warspite1 -> RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans (5/22/2016 9:33:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Orm

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Should the Soviets encourage a Japanese attack for US Entry purposes or try and defend against it?

Defend against it. A double attack on USSR is a real pain.
warspite1

Its a pain not having the computer calculate the garrison - but presumably until the Japanese get units in Manchuria then the USSR are okay.



Orm -> RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans (5/22/2016 9:38:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: warspite1


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ORIGINAL: Orm

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Should the Soviets encourage a Japanese attack for US Entry purposes or try and defend against it?

Defend against it. A double attack on USSR is a real pain.
warspite1

Its a pain not having the computer calculate the garrison - but presumably until the Japanese get units in Manchuria then the USSR are okay.


Japan, at the moment, needs 6 more units to DOW USSR.



Orm -> RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans (5/22/2016 9:42:15 PM)

With the new plan regarding Syria and Iraq; does that change any of the Soviet land moves?



warspite1 -> RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans (5/22/2016 9:42:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Orm


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ORIGINAL: warspite1


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ORIGINAL: Orm

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Should the Soviets encourage a Japanese attack for US Entry purposes or try and defend against it?

Defend against it. A double attack on USSR is a real pain.
warspite1

Its a pain not having the computer calculate the garrison - but presumably until the Japanese get units in Manchuria then the USSR are okay.


Japan, at the moment, needs 6 more units to DOW USSR.
warspite1

Exactly so I think the Soviets will get some advance notice [:)]



warspite1 -> RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans (5/22/2016 9:44:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Orm

With the new plan regarding Syria and Iraq; does that change any of the Soviet land moves?
warspite1

The revised moves in Post 386 remain in effect. The 6-6 is on the Zhukov "station" should be be needed elsewhere.



brian brian -> RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans (5/24/2016 6:16:05 AM)

Given the Tommies' brilliant ability to pin down most of the remaining Panzers in France, I think I would reinforce that notion and unleash as much General Mayhem as possible there. Ground strikes, re-org bombers, divisional invasions, MECH arriving from UK, an advance across the Gironde perhaps, anything to tie up the Panzers some more.

The Italian builds will reveal much, and a big plus for the Allies right now is that Il Duce has already squandered his chance to get anything going overseas - unless they break down some new divisions for surprise landings in Spain. If not, I think it would be safe to risk more of the British Army on the Continent, right now.



warspite1 -> RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans (5/24/2016 6:24:12 AM)

I agree. The one overriding factor not to lose sight of is doing anything to compromise North Africa by holding ourselves open to a surprise attack. That said, the best way to help the Soviet Union is for the CW to make themselves a PITA in France. The creation of Vichy has meant that getting to units on the southwest coast is not easy.

As for the Soviet Union, I know that peeps have been suggesting that the Soviets pile everything into the frontier to stop the Germans - and of course they may well be proved right. But until I am 100% certain that the USSR is the object of Hitler's desire (in the words of Wellington at Waterloo) I do not intend to run around like a wet hen!



brian brian -> RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans (5/24/2016 2:48:49 PM)

Unless the Italians break down their MTN corps or 2-strength German infantry divisions arrive in the Med, the best invasion the Axis can get in the East Med is a 3 factor landing outside of the range of any LND3 / NAV they may have. Africa should be fairly safe for quite some time (minus the area around Tripoli) unless any Axis MAR appear on the production spiral. The Royal Navy should be able to make their supply to Tripoli an every-other-impulse type affair unless further Axis NAV production appears.

The Cotenin (air cover from England perhaps with a 3 division invasion), Brittany, and the Gironde estuary all beckon, in my opinion - plenty of options. The Loire estuary is tank county but suckering the Panzers into range of Home Fleet has worked well once already. Right now in this game, I'd go with the American political expression "Follow the money" - follow the Stukas.



brian brian -> RE: (No Axis) Warspite + Ormster Allied War Plans (5/25/2016 3:59:34 AM)

errr, uhhh, never mind



Courtenay -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (5/25/2016 4:12:43 PM)

My advice is to sail the French units out of Marseilles in a group. The Free French are not surprised (they already were at war with the Axis), and collectively they have enough AA power to have a good shot at repelling an attack even if the Axis does find them. Sending them individually is much more likely to produce losses.



warspite1 -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (5/25/2016 9:20:40 PM)

So Ormster, who controls Free France? Me or you?



Orm -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (5/26/2016 7:23:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

So Ormster, who controls Free France? Me or you?

You.

But so far all their units, with one out of supply exception, has been disorganized.



warspite1 -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (5/26/2016 7:05:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Orm

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

So Ormster, who controls Free France? Me or you?

You.

But so far all their units, with one out of supply exception, has been disorganized.

warspite1

That's good news - nice to have some more units to order about. We will need to discuss oil use and the fleet of course - also building of FF units.



warspite1 -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (5/26/2016 8:37:34 PM)

Some thoughts

China

While we still can, does it make sense to build Mao?

Soviet Union

Would an invasion of Iraq make sense on the basis that the two oil in Persia on the coast could be transferred to Basra and then rail roaded?

What is the plan for the USSR this turn. I can save one oil right? But I see Bushehr is saving according to the clear default box - but I cannot see that it is actually saving [&:]



Orm -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (5/26/2016 8:44:17 PM)

France has plenty of oil to use. They currently have 2 oil points and will receive one additional oil each turn from Iraq. So up to 1.45 oil used each turn and the French oil reserves will remain the same.

French production is low unless CW, and eventually US, give France build points. At the moment I see no point in building a French Factory.

France, currently, has three resources but no factories. Although Algeria (and its resource) is under Italian attack.



peskpesk -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (5/26/2016 9:29:21 PM)

Since the Axis are going for Spain -obviously with the collapse of Vichy France - I suggest you plan a distraction if the Allies will fight for Spain. My suggestion are that CW and Free France battle for Spain while the USSR demands the Borderlands from Finland and hope Germany declaine the claim. But this can only be done if the garrision ratio with Germany is kept safe and after preparations



warspite1 -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (5/26/2016 9:41:41 PM)

I would like to know the options in Iraq first - i.e. is there any benefit in invading (because of the two Persian oil on the coast) or not.

Subject to that, I definitely think that Finland is on the cards. We need to understand exactly what Germany are going to do of course but surely having given away those US entry chits, they are going to have to go for Spain?



Orm -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (5/26/2016 9:50:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

I would like to know the options in Iraq first - i.e. is there any benefit in invading (because of the two Persian oil on the coast) or not.

There is no benefit for the Persian oil by invading Iraq.

The two coastal oil resources needs convoy points in the Persian Gulf if they are to be used for production. But they can be used for reorganization purposes without the need of transporting them.



Orm -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (5/26/2016 9:52:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

We need to understand exactly what Germany are going to do of course but surely having given away those US entry chits, they are going to have to go for Spain?

I doubt that the purpose for collapsing Vichy was for Italy to march into Algeria and for Germany to get a second hex on Bayonne.

But I am sure that we will see their intentions very soon.



Orm -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (5/26/2016 10:00:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: peskpesk

Since the Axis are going for Spain -obviously with the collapse of Vichy France - I suggest you plan a distraction if the Allies will fight for Spain. My suggestion are that CW and Free France battle for Spain while the USSR demands the Borderlands from Finland and hope Germany declaine the claim. But this can only be done if the garrision ratio with Germany is kept safe and after preparations

The German plans seem to change fast. So while it looks like they will go for Spain it is to early to say that for sure.

And I am not sure I would like a Soviet Finnish war. US entry has improved drastically and if they go for Spain then it might increase further. With that said the US entry is not high. It is not low either. Previously it was so low that I didn't even bother consider it other as a way of helping the other Allied countries. But now the hope that US will eventually enter this war has been kindled. So therefore the US would prefer if there was no entry chits removed.

But we can wait a short while with deciding on the borderlands.

The Iraq operation I think should be permanently cancelled. Unless, of course, the Axis becomes a real threat for Syria.



warspite1 -> RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY (5/26/2016 10:09:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Orm


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ORIGINAL: peskpesk

Since the Axis are going for Spain -obviously with the collapse of Vichy France - I suggest you plan a distraction if the Allies will fight for Spain. My suggestion are that CW and Free France battle for Spain while the USSR demands the Borderlands from Finland and hope Germany declaine the claim. But this can only be done if the garrision ratio with Germany is kept safe and after preparations


The Iraq operation I think should be permanently cancelled. Unless, of course, the Axis becomes a real threat for Syria.
warspite1

Which I am happy to do but so that I understand, is there no benefit re the two coastal oil hexes?



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