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Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR (4/29/2016 8:00:59 PM)
3rd round: Axis 5, Allied 7. Combat is over.

AllenK -> RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR (4/29/2016 8:23:00 PM)
No air missions or rail moves. Ethiopian Terr moves into British Somaliland. Italians move a couple of units on the French border. In China the Japs move up for a long-shot at Sian. [image]local://upfiles/47730/AAA540F1896540CFB2C6034257808853.jpg[/image]

AllenK -> RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR (4/29/2016 8:25:04 PM)
Which table would the Communists like to defend with? [image]local://upfiles/47730/77C8EDE87B204E088A2A1534D2B8E046.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR (4/29/2016 8:27:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AllenK Which table would the Communists like to defend with? [image]local://upfiles/47730/77C8EDE87B204E088A2A1534D2B8E046.jpg[/image] warspite1 Assault please

AllenK -> RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR (4/29/2016 8:38:28 PM)
Apparently, the die roller hasn't yet run out of 1's [:(]. [image]local://upfiles/47730/8C2CDB9296F54FB8A7B3B629EFA90A29.jpg[/image]

AllenK -> RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR (4/29/2016 8:41:51 PM)
No rebases or reorgs. On an 8, the never ending turn continues.

warspite1 -> RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR (4/29/2016 9:01:53 PM)
Gents I think that is it for tonight. Pick up again tomorrow.

AllenK -> RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR (4/29/2016 9:04:34 PM)
Thanks Warspite1. We just can't take any more of these terrible die rolls. They just get worse. [image]local://upfiles/47730/41E75694B528404FA8A5E3B5FF95D8BD.jpg[/image]

Orm -> RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR (4/29/2016 9:09:07 PM)
Soon it will not be possible for any more impulses. So how do we handle the end of turn actions?

Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR (4/29/2016 9:14:47 PM)
Is it OK if Axis give instructions? Let's see the situation again when Axis have major fleets in seas.

Orm -> RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR (4/29/2016 11:01:35 PM)
That works for me.

brian brian -> RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR (4/30/2016 2:42:45 AM)
Odd attack there on Si-An, in that if the ART both bombarded the hex, you would have a natural 2:1 without rolling for a fractional. Also it looks to me like the 1d10 gave a slightly better chance to take the hex, even though the 2d10 is considered the 'attacker friendly' one. The 2:1 was +1 for a disorganized unit. A 2d10 version of it, with the Bombarding, would be +4, -1 city, -1 factory, +2 disorganized unit = +4 or the same as a straight 2:1, no modifier.

quiritus -> RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR (4/30/2016 7:45:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: brian brian Also it looks to me like the 1d10 gave a slightly better chance to take the hex, even though the 2d10 is considered the 'attacker friendly' one. The 2:1 was +1 for a disorganized unit. A 2d10 version of it, with the Bombarding, would be +4, -1 city, -1 factory, +2 disorganized unit = +4 or the same as a straight 2:1, no modifier. with 1d10 odds level are the key. to the 3:1, +1 or better odds are the same. but from 4:1 +1 is only half of a column (is better 4:1 than 3:1 +1). with 2d10 modifier are they key. and the 3° unit in a stack have a big impact on 1d10, negligible on 2d10

Orm -> RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR (4/30/2016 8:41:10 AM)
Sep/Oct '39 Allied #14 Land: China Combined: USSR, USA, France, CW France send a couple of battle ships to the West Med. CW sail with the Danish CPs in Iceland (mostly to avoid the rebase during the conquest step). In Egypt the territorial move to Matruh. CW debark the 13th Indian Corbs into Suez. End of turn roll is a one, and the turn ends.

Orm -> RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR (4/30/2016 9:00:52 AM)
Partisans appear in China. [image]local://upfiles/29130/88667EFFD7B6488F93221421E38FEDB4.jpg[/image]

Orm -> RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR (4/30/2016 9:01:26 AM)
And in Poland. [image]local://upfiles/29130/F271113650D645B6ABF238576A94FED9.jpg[/image]

Orm -> RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR (4/30/2016 9:38:36 AM)
US place one marker in the Japanese pool. US then interns the French CV. [image]local://upfiles/29130/9F582F7CDCDD4E3F8A5CB2D7B76CFEDA.jpg[/image]

quiritus -> RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR (4/30/2016 9:54:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer If Germany would have rolled 1 or 2, (spent O-chit and failed to take Brussels) this would have been a trap of the year. if Germany roll 1 or 2 and the turn end: if not even a 1 leave 1 belgian unit in Brussels, turned down with 2: in the second case, as Belgium is aligned with CW, Brussels fall 1 impulse later. only with 1 the belgian can be relived by France.

warspite1 -> RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR (4/30/2016 9:54:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Orm US place one marker in the Japanese pool. US then interns the French CV. [image]local://upfiles/29130/9F582F7CDCDD4E3F8A5CB2D7B76CFEDA.jpg[/image] warspite1 Good move.

quiritus -> RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR (4/30/2016 10:05:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jagdtiger14 Very good post/response quiritus! Actually, the best location for those two INF would have been the hex just west of Brussels. To give proper credit, Centuur mentioned it first. well, we can discuss about this :) as the German player have only 1 land that can strike at extendend range, so with 1, i put the two inf on the cost west of Antwerp: just west there was two 4 factor land on range...

Orm -> RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR (4/30/2016 10:35:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: quiritus quote: ORIGINAL: Jagdtiger14 Very good post/response quiritus! Actually, the best location for those two INF would have been the hex just west of Brussels. To give proper credit, Centuur mentioned it first. well, we can discuss about this :) as the German player have only 1 land that can strike at extendend range, so with 1, i put the two inf on the cost west of Antwerp: just west there was two 4 factor land on range... There was a German 5 range, 4 strength land bomber that reached the hex west of Antwerp without using extended range. With rain affecting the French ability to advance into Belgium. And, as I see it, the risk that one of the Belgian units becoming disorganized by a ground strike was above average. I therefore decided that the risk to place the units west of Antwerp/Brussels was substantive. However, by placing the 2 Belgian infantry Corps in Brussels there was a small chance that Germany would fail to capture the city and decent chance that the attacking force would become disorganized. Therefore, I judged, that it was likely that, if I placed the Belgians in Brussels, Germany would use a offensive chit. And since placing the units in Brussels did make the Germans spend one offensive I am still confident that this was the best option in this game.

Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR (4/30/2016 10:45:21 AM)
If those units would have been somewhere else than in city I would have used ground strike. I had Stuka (5 strength) and Ju88 (4 strength) in stand by.

Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR (4/30/2016 10:51:03 AM)
German land combat rolls were quite low in average. Turn was very long. I can only imagine what would situation be if some of 1's or 2's would have been high enough to keep units organized... I don't regret using O-chit. I just should have rolled a little better [8D]

Orm -> RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR (4/30/2016 10:58:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer German land combat rolls were quite low in average. Turn was very long. I can only imagine what would situation be if some of 1's or 2's would have been high enough to keep units organized... I don't regret using O-chit. I just should have rolled a little better [8D] While you ponder on that you could consider what would have happened if the weather had been storm (20%) the impulse after you declared war on Belgium. [;)]

Mayhemizer_slith -> RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR (4/30/2016 11:23:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Orm quote: ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer German land combat rolls were quite low in average. Turn was very long. I can only imagine what would situation be if some of 1's or 2's would have been high enough to keep units organized... I don't regret using O-chit. I just should have rolled a little better [8D] While you ponder on that you could consider what would have happened if the weather had been storm (20%) the impulse after you declared war on Belgium. [;)] Yanet would never do that to me! [:-]

warspite1 -> RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR (4/30/2016 11:33:21 AM)
What all these posts prove is that WIF is such a brilliant game and so replayable. Fact is there are very few right and wrong answers simply because of the sheer number of variables involved. These conversations are interesting and fun provided they are not approached from the "you've done this wrong" or "that was definitely a stupid move" type angle. Yes newbies and idiots such as myself may make genuinely stupid decisions from time to time, but the likes of Orm, Mayhemizer and AllenK know their stuff and make decisions based on experience built up. I know for a fact that Orm considered other Belgian set-ups, I am quite sure that our Axis opponents weighed up likely weather throws. The best player in the world can by stymied by combat dice throws or weather, or US Entry or whatever and sure, if bad luck is absolutely extreme (rare) then there is nothing to be done, but otherwise, given the ebb and flow of the dice, its how players react to good/bad breaks that matter.

warspite1 -> RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR (4/30/2016 11:34:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer quote: ORIGINAL: Orm quote: ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer German land combat rolls were quite low in average. Turn was very long. I can only imagine what would situation be if some of 1's or 2's would have been high enough to keep units organized... I don't regret using O-chit. I just should have rolled a little better [8D] While you ponder on that you could consider what would have happened if the weather had been storm (20%) the impulse after you declared war on Belgium. [;)] Yanet would never do that to me! [:-] warspite1 Hands off - she's mine! [;)]

brian brian -> RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR (4/30/2016 12:17:19 PM)
Not how I would have played either side (even if trying Fall Gelb) - good job guys! Neither the Germans nor the French were set-up to deal with Rain in the Low Countries. Ponder an invasion of Rotterdam on a Rain impulse sometime. Similarly in China, neither set-up went as planned. The Japanese were successful with a minor risk but were unable to exploit it. In a bit of historical irony, Chiang is now saving Mao's forces. (The Nationalists held Si-An for the entire war, mainly defending it from the Communists, not the Japanese; though possibly only US diplomacy kept the detente status quo in place in that area. I so wish that WiF would update the situation in China some day.) The land combat dice were terrible for the Axis, but the US Entry rolls were outstanding (also ameliorated by one X and one D on the CW TRS fleet); though I can't recall the outcome of the Italian DOW roll, the US should have picked up a high value chit for one of Denmark/Netherlands/Bulgaria and one for Belgium in most games. Bad luck on those in a Fall Gelb strategy can see US Euro entry crack 30 in just a few turns. They should remember this turn in the summer of 1942.

brian brian -> RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR (4/30/2016 12:24:27 PM)
Well thank you guys soooooo much for letting me vicariously play World in Flames along with you. It should be a fine Spring Saturday in the northern Hemisphere, so I hope you have some happy gaming and some Spring today. I have to head out and plant trees in the rain all day, and again tomorrow. I rolled a "1" on a hiring decision this year.

AllenK -> RE: 4 player E-mail: AAR (4/30/2016 2:17:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 quote: ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer quote: ORIGINAL: Orm quote: ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer German land combat rolls were quite low in average. Turn was very long. I can only imagine what would situation be if some of 1's or 2's would have been high enough to keep units organized... I don't regret using O-chit. I just should have rolled a little better [8D] While you ponder on that you could consider what would have happened if the weather had been storm (20%) the impulse after you declared war on Belgium. [;)] Yanet would never do that to me! [:-] warspite1 Hands off - she's mine! [;)] You're welcome to her. She didn't seem to have any qualms about chucking the Axis the lousy weather near enough from the start in our Episode IV: A New Heap. Edit: Actually Axis impulse 5.

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