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ORIGINAL: Iñaki Harrizabalagatar

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ORIGINAL: TheBattlefield

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ORIGINAL: Iñaki Harrizabalagatar

Regarding ships of this period I think you should use a different classification instead of rates, as you know for sure only the Royal Navy had 2nd rate ships, and in the third rate are the large 80s and 74s together with the small 74s and 64s, and there was a big difference between a 64 and a an 80s. Then there is the problem of carronades that makes rating even more misleading. Finally, within "frigate" you have everything from the 8pdrs to the 24pdrs "Superfrigates". In all I think your ship classification would benefit from some reconsideration.

First, I'm only a unit helper. Kirk is the mod creator. You are of course right for your information. But I think there must be some compromises in the sense of clarity and simplification. The vanilla game does it and take the German order of battle as a frame for (nearly) all countries. So I believe Kirk take the French OOB for land units and the British OOB for naval units. This is just as comprehensible for this epoch, as well as for the possibilities of the game engine makes sense. Hope this will help. [;)]

I agree, but at the same time, since this is a mod, I think some historical flavour would be good, without really compromising clarity. A classification by guns instead of rates would be very clear and better adapted to minor maritime powers. Just my opinion.

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ORIGINAL: TheBattlefield

The "Privateer" Brig...

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ORIGINAL: TheBattlefield

Aye, Sir.
Vote Bomb Ketch for MTB. For overall gameplay we need to change (name and function) "Industrial" Centers to "Trade" Centers. Beside the capital this will be the cities of main harbors. So it would be nice if we field a naval unit which could endanger this recources from the sea side. A fireship would just be another (tiny kamikaze) tactical unit. My opinion. Your decision! [;)]
The Mulberry slot should go to the Armed Merchantmen. Together with the Privateer this will be "trigger" units for each side. As a result we would get five main naval actions instead of only three vanilla. 1. Fleet action. (Classic ship to ship fight) 2. Harbor blockade action. (Reducing the targets supply) 3. Trade (ex convoy) route raiding action. (Reduces convoy income) In addition: 4. Piracy action (reduces major budget) and 5. Manual trade action. (increases major budget)

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ORIGINAL: Iñaki Harrizabalagatar

I will insist on the case of frigates, there is a world of difference between a 9pdr frigate and a 24pdr frigate, it would be a mistake to classify all of them equal. Besides, there is the question of carronades, a 24 pdr frigate with 42pdr carronades was a match for a light 74s.
Regarding second rate, remember that the type was only built for the Royal Navy, no other navy had the 90/98s type.

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ORIGINAL: Iñaki Harrizabalagatar

I will insist on the case of frigates, there is a world of difference between a 9pdr frigate and a 24pdr frigate, it would be a mistake to classify all of them equal. Besides, there is the question of carronades, a 24 pdr frigate with 42pdr carronades was a match for a light 74s.
Regarding second rate, remember that the type was only built for the Royal Navy, no other navy had the 90/98s type.

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ORIGINAL: kirk23



As for the question of carronades they were not usually counted with all the other cannons aboard 1st,2nd & 3rd Rates, as it was down to individual Captains decision to arm his ship with carronades or not.

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ORIGINAL: kirk23

Hi guys all the land unit types highlight in RED are fixtures that I don't expect to change.


The naval units can still be decided upon,but the ones listed from 1st Rate down to the Privateer Brig, I'm happy with there addition to the game IE:

Dreadnought = 1st Rate
Battleship = 2nd Rate
Battlecruiser = 3rd Rate
Heavy Cruiser = 4th Rate
Light Cruiser = Frigate
Destroyer = Privateer Brig
MTB = Still to decide ?



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ORIGINAL: SIPRES

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ORIGINAL: kirk23

Hi guys all the land unit types highlight in RED are fixtures that I don't expect to change.


The naval units can still be decided upon,but the ones listed from 1st Rate down to the Privateer Brig, I'm happy with there addition to the game IE:

Dreadnought = 1st Rate
Battleship = 2nd Rate
Battlecruiser = 3rd Rate
Heavy Cruiser = 4th Rate
Light Cruiser = Frigate
Destroyer = Privateer Brig
MTB = Still to decide ?



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Hi Kirk,

I am fine with the OOB you choose, and its now clear wich "Index" will be used in order to synchronize Graphics vs Programm.

I just have 2 questions.

- Rockets is for Congreve Arty isnt it?

- I didnt see any Partisan unit in the OOB?
I see you use Militia for Partisan slot (for me Militia is LANDWHER, Conscript, Opolchenie, ect)
Most Armies use Militia troops (usually poorly equiped and short trained)

I think you should add some Guerilla/Partisan unit (in case you got an empty slot)
this unit could behave same as current Partisan unit in current WW2 version (Civilian in arms, harrassing rear guards and supply lines)

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ORIGINAL: TheBattlefield

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ORIGINAL: SIPRES

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ORIGINAL: kirk23

Hi guys all the land unit types highlight in RED are fixtures that I don't expect to change.


The naval units can still be decided upon,but the ones listed from 1st Rate down to the Privateer Brig, I'm happy with there addition to the game IE:

Dreadnought = 1st Rate
Battleship = 2nd Rate
Battlecruiser = 3rd Rate
Heavy Cruiser = 4th Rate
Light Cruiser = Frigate
Destroyer = Privateer Brig
MTB = Still to decide ?



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Hi Kirk,

I am fine with the OOB you choose, and its now clear wich "Index" will be used in order to synchronize Graphics vs Programm.

I just have 2 questions.

- Rockets is for Congreve Arty isnt it?

- I didnt see any Partisan unit in the OOB?
I see you use Militia for Partisan slot (for me Militia is LANDWHER, Conscript, Opolchenie, ect)
Most Armies use Militia troops (usually poorly equiped and short trained)

I think you should add some Guerilla/Partisan unit (in case you got an empty slot)
this unit could behave same as current Partisan unit in current WW2 version (Civilian in arms, harrassing rear guards and supply lines)

Agree!

The 1st Rate has now a more "Victory" style.
I have tried around with the gun numbers. I vote for this one. Indicates firepower in relation to other ships and will be raised by naval research. Check?

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ORIGINAL: TheBattlefield


The 1st Rate has now a more "Victory" style.
I have tried around with the gun numbers. I vote for this one. Indicates firepower in relation to other ships and will be raised by naval research. Check?

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ORIGINAL: kirk23

I have taken your advice regarding Militia and Partisan units both are now in the game.

SIPRES a great many thanks for creating superb graphics for the the mod [&o]


If you and TheBattlefield agree I think its only fair that when the mod is released, all our names will be on it, since it clearly is fast becoming a joint effort.[:)]






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ORIGINAL: Iñaki Harrizabalagatar

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ORIGINAL: kirk23



As for the question of carronades they were not usually counted with all the other cannons aboard 1st,2nd & 3rd Rates, as it was down to individual Captains decision to arm his ship with carronades or not.

Yes, they were not counted until 1817, but in battle having 8x42pdr carronades added to your 24pdr battery counted very much! :)
It was a technological advantage almost exclusive to the Royal Navy for much of the period, I think it should be reflected somehow.

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ORIGINAL: oxford_guy

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ORIGINAL: Iñaki Harrizabalagatar

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ORIGINAL: kirk23



As for the question of carronades they were not usually counted with all the other cannons aboard 1st,2nd & 3rd Rates, as it was down to individual Captains decision to arm his ship with carronades or not.

Yes, they were not counted until 1817, but in battle having 8x42pdr carronades added to your 24pdr battery counted very much! :)
It was a technological advantage almost exclusive to the Royal Navy for much of the period, I think it should be reflected somehow.

Maybe just in stronger stats for English 1st rates r better starting tech?

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ORIGINAL: kirk23

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ORIGINAL: TheBattlefield


The 1st Rate has now a more "Victory" style.
I have tried around with the gun numbers. I vote for this one. Indicates firepower in relation to other ships and will be raised by naval research. Check?

[image]local://upfiles/54485/5C5244D8EB6D42FF8D454AADD6CA6F4C.jpg[/image]

TheBattlefield your ship graphics are beautiful, and its a great idea to display the guns as per research level increase.[:)][&o]

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ORIGINAL: SIPRES

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ORIGINAL: kirk23

I have taken your advice regarding Militia and Partisan units both are now in the game.

SIPRES a great many thanks for creating superb graphics for the the mod [&o]


If you and TheBattlefield agree I think its only fair that when the mod is released, all our names will be on it, since it clearly is fast becoming a joint effort.[:)]






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Thanks Kirk

Maybee we could organize tasks vs MOD members

Here is the following stuff I can handle or help:

Graphics

LAND UNIT Graphics (2D) --> on going....
Interface Graphics --> on going....
Flags file(s) Graphics --> (Majors completed) minors on going....
Media graphics Png --> not started yet

Data

LAND OOB (but only from 1805 sorry)
Country Data (Nations and Cities names as per 1803-1805)
Diplomacy historic Informations (1803 to 1815)

Programm

Sorry I have no clue about decisions, events, ect....
I dont have any SC1/SC2 background, just started playing SC3


Battlefield did already start a good work on the following :

SEA UNIT Graphics (2D)
MAP Graphics (to be more 19th century oriented)
I Feel he can help or advise for Programming as he already knows the SC engine.


We still miss a "sound files" member
and Maybe 3D sprites?


What do you both think about

Christophe

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ORIGINAL: oxford_guy

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ORIGINAL: SIPRES

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ORIGINAL: kirk23

I have taken your advice regarding Militia and Partisan units both are now in the game.

SIPRES a great many thanks for creating superb graphics for the the mod [&o]


If you and TheBattlefield agree I think its only fair that when the mod is released, all our names will be on it, since it clearly is fast becoming a joint effort.[:)]

Thanks Kirk

Maybee we could organize tasks vs MOD members

Here is the following stuff I can handle or help:

Graphics

LAND UNIT Graphics (2D) --> on going....
Interface Graphics --> on going....
Flags file(s) Graphics --> (Majors completed) minors on going....
Media graphics Png --> not started yet

Data

LAND OOB (but only from 1805 sorry)
Country Data (Nations and Cities names as per 1803-1805)
Diplomacy historic Informations (1803 to 1815)

Programm

Sorry I have no clue about decisions, events, ect....
I dont have any SC1/SC2 background, just started playing SC3


Battlefield did already start a good work on the following :

SEA UNIT Graphics (2D)
MAP Graphics (to be more 19th century oriented)
I Feel he can help or advise for Programming as he already knows the SC engine.


We still miss a "sound files" member
and Maybe 3D sprites?


What do you both think about

Christophe

I don't have any of these skills, but happy to help where I can - proof-reading, testing, suggestions for improvement (which of course the Mod creators have the right to ignore!) etc. If there's anything else I can help with, let me know

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ORIGINAL: oxford_guy

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ORIGINAL: SIPRES

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ORIGINAL: kirk23

I have taken your advice regarding Militia and Partisan units both are now in the game.

SIPRES a great many thanks for creating superb graphics for the the mod [&o]


If you and TheBattlefield agree I think its only fair that when the mod is released, all our names will be on it, since it clearly is fast becoming a joint effort.[:)]

Thanks Kirk

Maybee we could organize tasks vs MOD members

Here is the following stuff I can handle or help:

Graphics

LAND UNIT Graphics (2D) --> on going....
Interface Graphics --> on going....
Flags file(s) Graphics --> (Majors completed) minors on going....
Media graphics Png --> not started yet

Data

LAND OOB (but only from 1805 sorry)
Country Data (Nations and Cities names as per 1803-1805)
Diplomacy historic Informations (1803 to 1815)

Programm

Sorry I have no clue about decisions, events, ect....
I dont have any SC1/SC2 background, just started playing SC3


Battlefield did already start a good work on the following :

SEA UNIT Graphics (2D)
MAP Graphics (to be more 19th century oriented)
I Feel he can help or advise for Programming as he already knows the SC engine.


We still miss a "sound files" member
and Maybe 3D sprites?


What do you both think about

Christophe

I don't have any of these skills, but happy to help where I can - proof-reading, testing, suggestions for improvement (which of course the Mod creators have the right to ignore!) etc. If there's anything else I can help with, let me know

I think the core tasks are quite well organized!

Kirk is the boss:

- Mod related decision maker
- Map and country development
- Map lettering
- Scripting
- OOB and unit naming
- Unit development, placement and balancing
- Manual
- Applause reap in success and hold his head in case of failures


SIPRES as main designer and Kirks Deputy:

- Finalize all unit graphics
- Customize the game menu graphics
- Create / customize all necessary flags, badges and insignia
- Backup for Kirk in all historical questions and what else he needs

I would then be responsible for the following areas:

- Naval unit sheets
- Sea unit oriented (dummy) events
- Customized resource sprites
- Customized symbol sprites
- Customized sound files (possibly music files and calligraphy font, if Hubert can fix the bugs)
- Backup for Kirk with questions and problems regarding all scripts, troubleshooting, game balancing and whatever else may happen

[:D]

PS: I really think "3D" units in this mod would be dispensable. Our "2D" units combine the best of both presentations. A clear indication on the start screen (first Popup Event for strategic notes?), in the manual / readme and in the forum should be sufficient. My opinion...

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Here is French Army reworked

added:
Garnison/Regiment unit with Barrack dress
Unit size display for infantry
Guard Unit with darker Blue Background
Militia (French National Guard) Unit
Modified French engineer graphic
Add H and L text display for Light/heavy cavalry
modified Arty's colors (olive green was use by french), the plan is each major will have custom gun colors
modified Siege Arty graphic
Add Coastal gun fort
add congreve batterie (even if used only by british, I will made graphic available for each nations)

Let me know if you see any others changes or improvements to be done as I want to use the French file as a template to then deploy the same style for all others nations


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ORIGINAL: SIPRES

Here is French Army reworked

added:
Garnison/Regiment unit with Barrack dress
Unit size display for infantry
Guard Unit with darker Blue Background
Militia (French National Guard) Unit
Modified French engineer graphic
Add H and L text display for Light/heavy cavalry
modified Arty's colors (olive green was use by french), the plan is each major will have custom gun colors
modified Siege Arty graphic
Add Coastal gun fort
add congreve batterie (even if used only by british, I will made graphic available for each nations)

Let me know if you see any others changes or improvements to be done as I want to use the French file as a template to then deploy the same style for all others nations


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