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STEF78 -> RE: December 1943 (1/17/2018 6:14:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

Steltecks Armored Corps are taking a beating.

But russian have such a stock of T34! 8000 at the begining of the winter... I need to destroy an average of 1000+ T34 each week and maybe it will be close from 0 end march 1944.
On the other side TOE of my Pzd is also suffering



STEF78 -> RE: December 1943 (1/17/2018 6:17:46 AM)


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ORIGINAL: chaos45
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Some heavy manpower losses in some of those battle for the Germans...losing 1k+ men even in a winning battle is almost a loss...so looks like a tight game for both sides.

Right but winning battles is the only way to keep the morale of my units far above the 65 of the NM and thus the CV's. I have no other choice...



pbcrnk -> RE: December 1943 (1/19/2018 4:03:22 AM)

Been reading this for a few days now and it has really helped me get an initial grasp on this game. Appreciate all the info in here.



STEF78 -> RE: December 1943 (1/19/2018 7:04:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: pbcrnk

Been reading this for a few days now and it has really helped me get an initial grasp on this game. Appreciate all the info in here.

Thanks



STEF78 -> December 1943 (1/19/2018 7:20:46 PM)

Turn 133, 30th december 1943

Last week of December 1943. We still hold Moscow, Leningrad, Rostov, Voronejh... Winter is bloody but pretty satisfied with the result at this stage of the game.

Fierce battles in front of Moscow. No significant results but heavy losses on both sides.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/b0abSiU.jpg[/img]

Main battle area is always in the center from Ryazan to Boguchar. Another encirclement north of Lipetsk and a brekthrough South of Voronejh...

[img]https://i.imgur.com/4qafwkY.jpg[/img]

Heavy counter attacks are launched and the line reestablished. I was obviously tired when I created this picture as the fight shown in the South isn't the right one... I first attaccked the CV30 stack then routed the 2 tank corps behind my frontline.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/oxTG50C.jpg[/img]

Always giving some ground in the Don bend. Some defensive fights east of Rostov

[img]https://i.imgur.com/m9hgUQp.jpg[/img]

And the losses. Another week with more than 1000+ russian AFV destroyed...

[img]https://i.imgur.com/do8A0ch.jpg[/img]



STEF78 -> January 1944 (1/23/2018 7:10:36 PM)

Turn 134, 6th january 1944

Hard to define my goals for this new year... well, I wish to avoid a major encirclement, hold some parts of USSR at the end of 1944, and still having fun while playing this game.

At the moment, we are facing heavy russian pressure north of Lipetsk, South of Voronejh and east of Rostov.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/bGKaAD5.jpg[/img]

Lots of huge tank battles during this week. I'm counterattacking as hard as possible => 235 russian AFV destroyed in a single fight! Hans Hube did the job...

[img]https://i.imgur.com/95MP25N.jpg[/img]

And 183 more AFV destroyed east of Rostov!

[img]https://i.imgur.com/uxhaZdH.jpg[/img]

Axis have now air superiorty over Moscow. Heavy russian air losses

[img]https://i.imgur.com/9hUFwMK.jpg[/img]

An overview of the main battles...

[img]https://i.imgur.com/e44DIMX.jpg[/img]

The losses... 1747 russian AFV... difficult to believe...

[img]https://i.imgur.com/B0Q9JFa.jpg[/img]

of course, both OOB are suffering

[img]https://i.imgur.com/Cu4ohkV.jpg[/img]



EwaldvonKleist -> RE: January 1944 (1/23/2018 8:13:05 PM)

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Hard to define my goals for this new year... well, I wish to avoid a major encirclement, hold some parts of USSR at the end of 1944, and still having fun while playing this game.

May I propose another goal? Destroy equal or more than 2000 AFVs and SP&AC in a single turn. You came quite close to this last week...



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: January 1944 (1/23/2018 11:51:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: STEF78


of course, both OOB are suffering

[img]https://i.imgur.com/Cu4ohkV.jpg[/img]



You need to send some of those 12,000 tanks to your Rumanian brethren!!!! The Rumanians have a whooping 19 tanks in their 2-7 Armor Division (Now if we could only do such an act).




HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: January 1944 (1/23/2018 11:51:39 PM)

Double post (sheesh I suxx at this)



Stelteck -> RE: January 1944 (1/24/2018 7:57:16 AM)

I have my new toy, the T34-85 !! (250 each week). (instead of T34 1942 production).

But replacing my 20000 tanks with them will take a long time.... [:D]

I have some entire tank corps that "upgraded" to Matilda II. I known this tank will be useful some day



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: January 1944 (1/24/2018 2:52:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Stelteck

I have my new toy, the T34-85 !! (250 each week). (instead of T34 1942 production).

But replacing my 20000 tanks with them will take a long time.... [:D]

I have some entire tank corps that "upgraded" to Matilda II. I known this tank will be useful some day


Time and space is not on your side now. You have a long way to go & Stef is set up pretty nice. I wish you the best but it looks to be a long hard road ahead for you Sir.



Stelteck -> RE: January 1944 (1/24/2018 3:23:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

Time and space is not on your side now. You have a long way to go & Stef is set up pretty nice. I wish you the best but it looks to be a long hard road ahead for you Sir.


I heard that the allied will open another front soon !!! [8D]



Telemecus -> RE: January 1944 (1/24/2018 5:12:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Stelteck


quote:

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

Time and space is not on your side now. You have a long way to go & Stef is set up pretty nice. I wish you the best but it looks to be a long hard road ahead for you Sir.


I heard that the allied will open another front soon !!! [8D]



For how many years have we been hearing that?



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: January 1944 (1/24/2018 5:42:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Telemecus


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ORIGINAL: Stelteck


quote:

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

Time and space is not on your side now. You have a long way to go & Stef is set up pretty nice. I wish you the best but it looks to be a long hard road ahead for you Sir.


I heard that the allied will open another front soon !!! [8D]



For how many years have we been hearing that?



Tick tock tick tock tick tock





HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: January 1944 (1/24/2018 6:10:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain


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ORIGINAL: Telemecus


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ORIGINAL: Stelteck


quote:

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

Time and space is not on your side now. You have a long way to go & Stef is set up pretty nice. I wish you the best but it looks to be a long hard road ahead for you Sir.


I heard that the allied will open another front soon !!! [8D]



For how many years have we been hearing that?



Tick tock tick tock tick tock





And some music while we wait ;_)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW18i6OBZRY



STEF78 -> RE: January 1944 (1/24/2018 7:07:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: EwaldvonKleist
May I propose another goal? Destroy equal or more than 2000 AFVs and SP&AC in a single turn. You came quite close to this last week...

Not an easy task... it requires several events:
- an agressive play from Stelteck
- the opportunity to do 15 counterattacks
- an average of 133 AFV lost per fight for the russian

And if look at the battle report, you need at least 1200 russian AFV and 800 german AFV in a single fight to get such a result... really hard to achieve...



STEF78 -> RE: January 1944 (1/24/2018 7:14:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

You need to send some of those 12,000 tanks to your Rumanian brethren!!!! The Rumanians have a whooping 19 tanks in their 2-7 Armor Division (Now if we could only do such an act).

German tanks are on the way to Romania [;)]

Always surprised with the hungarian planes exports

[img]https://i.imgur.com/fcpmuF7.jpg[/img]



STEF78 -> RE: January 1944 (1/24/2018 7:16:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
.../...
Time and space is not on your side now. You have a long way to go...

Hum... not really sure that time is on my side... I felt more confident in 1942!



Telemecus -> RE: January 1944 (1/24/2018 7:50:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: STEF78
Always surprised with the hungarian planes exports


If unwelcome again you can actively manage pools to leave them empty to prevent exports.



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: January 1944 (1/24/2018 11:28:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: STEF78


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
.../...
Time and space is not on your side now. You have a long way to go...

Hum... not really sure that time is on my side... I felt more confident in 1942!



Burden of attack is on Stelteck. You are sitting on a very nice pool of Manpower at the moment along with a hefty size tank pool. Your planes are still shooting "TONS" of Soviet aircraft out of the sky still. You have a pretty good line of Forts and river lines. IMO you are sitting pretty darn nice at the moment & time and space is on your side.



timmyab -> RE: January 1944 (1/25/2018 12:37:00 AM)

Is this bitter end? If so what is the VP situation?
You must be in a quite comfortable position I would think.



STEF78 -> RE: January 1944 (1/25/2018 5:46:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Telemecus

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ORIGINAL: STEF78
Always surprised with the hungarian planes exports


If unwelcome again you can actively manage pools to leave them empty to prevent exports.


No need, hungarian air units are pretty well equiped now (BF 109 G6) and I need my AP's for other tasks



STEF78 -> RE: January 1944 (1/25/2018 5:59:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

Burden of attack is on Stelteck. You are sitting on a very nice pool of Manpower at the moment along with a hefty size tank pool. Your planes are still shooting "TONS" of Soviet aircraft out of the sky still. You have a pretty good line of Forts and river lines. IMO you are sitting pretty darn nice at the moment & time and space is on your side.

We shall see. I have in fact a strong army and space to trade against time. Airpower doesn't matter.

But I have already played the germans 3 times past spring 1944 and one time in 1945. It has nothing to see with 1943.
- NM will be soon equivalent for both armies... and russian army will be 2/1 or more. The only advantage of german army will be the quality of the commanders.
- Stelteck has built a full mechanized army. With clear weather it can be a deadly toy.
- If he does a big encirclement during summer 1944, my frontline will collapse (See Sillyflower against BrianG) and never recover.

I have an significant advantage at the moment but game isn't won.



STEF78 -> RE: January 1944 (1/25/2018 6:02:38 AM)


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ORIGINAL: timmyab

Is this bitter end? If so what is the VP situation?
You must be in a quite comfortable position I would think.


Situation is confortable at the moment.

It's bitter end. The VP situation is currently 6/1. It was 6.2/1 late summer 1943. I will post the screen once I get the turn back.




HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: January 1944 (1/25/2018 3:25:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: STEF78


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ORIGINAL: timmyab

Is this bitter end? If so what is the VP situation?
You must be in a quite comfortable position I would think.


Situation is confortable at the moment.

It's bitter end. The VP situation is currently 6/1. It was 6.2/1 late summer 1943. I will post the screen once I get the turn back.




Yup, Stelteck needs to have a stellar 1944 to overcome that deficit.



STEF78 -> January 1944 (1/25/2018 6:53:39 PM)

Turn 135, 13th january 1944

A thought about victory conditions. They are based on:
- the possession of cities each turn
- the possession of cities at the end of the game
- the losses inflicted

In order to win, Stelteck should:
1) liberate Moscow, Rostov, Stalino and Kharkov then Leningrad and Kiev as soon as possible
2) try to inflict as much losses as possible to the axis
3) drive hard to Germany

It's always interesting to be aware of opponent objectives!

At the moment situation is as follow:

North

Grinding is on...

[img]https://i.imgur.com/fQcuPrX.jpg[/img]

Kalinin

Situation looks Under control

[img]https://i.imgur.com/frCRvRQ.jpg[/img]

Tula

Center of gravity of the offensive moved north. Always counterattacking!

[img]https://i.imgur.com/egpIo0D.jpg[/img]

South

Center of gravity of the offensive moved South. Always counterattacking!

[img]https://i.imgur.com/jF2HPPY.jpg[/img]

The losses. Another week with 1000+ AFV russian losses

[img]https://i.imgur.com/rr2dPp5.jpg[/img]

And the OOB. 24000 russian AFV at the end of the turn.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/DEO8Psw.jpg[/img]





timmyab -> RE: January 1944 (1/25/2018 9:10:54 PM)

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It's always interesting to be aware of opponent objectives!

It's also important to know where you need to stubbornly hold on for an extra few turns if possible.
Historically even Kiev should be in Soviet hands at this stage so you must be building an unassailable lead I would think.
The only danger is probably a Stalingrad type disaster (or two).

I'd still be interested to see the victory screen - if it's not a state secret that is :)



STEF78 -> OOB (1/27/2018 8:13:36 AM)

An overview of the evolution of both OOB

Despite huge AFV losses, russian have kept 24000 AFV. I guess that if Stelteck set his tank corps on refit they would be at 26000 within 2 weeks

Inf is suffering ont both sides.

Axis received some armored units and there is almost no air withdrawal

[img]https://i.imgur.com/8u2XIp6.jpg[/img]




STEF78 -> RE: January 1944 (1/27/2018 9:05:29 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: timmyab

[I'd still be interested to see the victory screen - if it's not a state secret that is :)

No secret. Here turn 141, holding Moscow during 2 years means a decisive advantage.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/gGk7Pko.jpg[/img]



STEF78 -> January 1944 (1/27/2018 4:28:02 PM)

Turn 136, 20th january 1944

Week after week I feel less and less confident in my ability to hold the frontline. At the moment I'm holding from far north to Ryazan. Giving ground when needed from Ryazan to Boguchar, retreating in the Don bend and holding near Rostov.

I feel I won't be that confortable during the next weeks.

Let's begin with the "minor" fight's area

Sevastopol

I thought "Perekop" would have hold... Bad news... Bagramyan got a superb result. I will have to commit reinforcement here... that would have been useful elsewhere.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/QvIFK8h.jpg[/img]

Far north

The finns receive almost no replacement... and they are now facing several rifle corps

[img]https://i.imgur.com/6yEkJGd.jpg[/img]

Kalinin

A Pzk is required to hold the northern flank of Moscow's defence

[img]https://i.imgur.com/zn8CcQA.jpg[/img]

Moscow

2 Pzk required here... always axis air superiority

[img]https://i.imgur.com/unP0OWr.jpg[/img]





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