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STEF78 -> RE: March 1944 (2/11/2018 9:17:54 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: John B.

FYI "booking" is american slang for moving rapidly.

Thanks!
At school, I've learnt "Queen Elizabeth" english and at work, american slang isn't the current language [;)]



leverkuhn -> RE: March 1944 (2/12/2018 6:22:07 PM)

Congrats to both players and special thanks to STEF for this amazing ongoing report. Keep up the pace! [:)]



STEF78 -> RE: March 1944 (2/13/2018 8:40:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: leverkuhn

Congrats to both players and special thanks to STEF for this amazing ongoing report. Keep up the pace! [:)]

thanks!



STEF78 -> March 1944 (2/13/2018 8:58:02 PM)

Turn 144, 16th march 1944

Fierce battles from lake Ladoga to Azov's sea. Axis units are still able to launch strong counterattacks but I'm really waiting for mud!
Another week with 1200 AFV destroyed ... german army under 4M men...

[img]https://i.imgur.com/oEYzYra.jpg[/img]

Closer view on Crimea. I had to sent here 2 german corps to stabilize the front

[img]https://i.imgur.com/1S6M3sG.jpg[/img]

Near Tula I made a wrong move last week and an inf div didn't have enough MP's to retreat.. Stelteck surrounded it but I did my best to give it an extra week of freedom.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/gRoze2c.jpg[/img]

And the main battles...

[img]https://i.imgur.com/svkoHPC.jpg[/img]



STEF78 -> March 1944 (2/18/2018 7:32:42 PM)

Turn 145, 23th march 1944

2 weeks before mud... I'm loosing control of the situation in at least two places:
- east of Leningrad
- South east of Kursk

It's also instable near Kalinin and South of Moscow

Leningrad

Situation worsens quickly in the far north. My scheduled line of defence is completely crushed! Reinforcements required here too!

[img]https://i.imgur.com/24eZf0m.jpg[/img]

Moscow south

Near Tula, this time it's over. I will loose my first german inf div since the beginning of the game. It will not be the last one [:(]

Another "usual" fight, more than 2000 russian AFV involved in a single battle!

[img]https://i.imgur.com/Hxlif7r.jpg[/img]

Of course strong counterattacks against russian spearheads

[img]https://i.imgur.com/dVlUroJ.jpg[/img]

Center

Breakthrough between Kursk and Bielgorod...

[img]https://i.imgur.com/u0O5xCz.jpg[/img]

... Pzd counterattacks and the front line is restored but far too weak...

[img]https://i.imgur.com/cyMfP0g.jpg[/img]

Crimea

In crimea nothing new...

[img]https://i.imgur.com/deKdHqa.jpg[/img]



STEF78 -> March 1944 (2/18/2018 7:35:32 PM)

And the losses... 55k men lost on the axis side [:(]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/FHLRPRZ.jpg[/img]

The OOB. Below 4M germans and 8M russians.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/cvsKOjl.jpg[/img]



STEF78 -> March 1944 (2/20/2018 7:39:34 PM)

Turn 146, 30th march 1944

Mud required!!!! Bad news all along the fontline.

Nothing good in the north. Soviet steamroll is on...

[img]https://i.imgur.com/cFoi6tT.jpg[/img]

... some ground given. The finns will fight (alone) for Leningrad.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/St2VJmi.jpg[/img]

Another bad news coming from Moscow: 3rd PzSS didn't hold the line.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/3cmXkCX.jpg[/img]

Kaluga is under russian threat... Manstein with a Pzd and a Pgd didn't succeed in stopping the russian waves.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/Uc2G7AA.jpg[/img]

In the center and the South, it's worse. No comment

[img]https://i.imgur.com/MLWwgd4.jpg[/img]



STEF78 -> March 1944 (2/20/2018 7:45:00 PM)

Overview of the frontline after my moves.

Very heavy fights. More than 1750 russian AFV destroyed, almost 100k men lost on russian side. Both OOB are suffering

[img]https://i.imgur.com/7JfJZq7.jpg[/img]

The main battles

[img]https://i.imgur.com/rhRYBrq.jpg[/img]



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: March 1944 (2/20/2018 7:49:53 PM)

I don't think you are in bad shape, to be honest. Only around Leningrad but you are set up to absorb what the Soviets have accomplished there. Everywhere else is contained & you have mud coming up.



STEF78 -> RE: March 1944 (2/20/2018 8:08:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

I don't think you are in bad shape, to be honest. Only around Leningrad but you are set up to absorb what the Soviets have accomplished there. Everywhere else is contained & you have mud coming up.

It's spring 1944 and red army is stronger than the axis. Nothing unusual.

In fact, I'm concerned with the quality of russian army. Stelteck built a very mobile one. If he is able to breach my frontline then he will be able to penetrate deeply in my lines and/or create a big encirclement.

He can afford losses I cannot (see below the evolution of both OOB). He has the strength, the mobility and clear weather is coming. On my side I have ground to trade against time and some strong mobile units.

Time will tell...

And last but not least, I played the germans twice past spring 1944 and I always suffered huge losses during this period... I'm not confident!

[img]https://i.imgur.com/ZaFGL38.jpg[/img]



chaos45 -> RE: March 1944 (2/21/2018 6:00:56 PM)

Stef- just wanted to say one of the better AARs have loved checking in on this game.



STEF78 -> RE: March 1944 (2/21/2018 6:57:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: chaos45

Stef- just wanted to say one of the better AARs have loved checking in on this game.

Thanks a lot! [;)]



STEF78 -> April 1944 (2/21/2018 7:06:25 PM)

Turn 147, 6th april 1944

Mud!!! [:)][:)][:)]

A bad news from Moscow, Stelteck manage to penetrate behind Moscow because of a wrong withdrawal of 25th Pgd. Annoying as mud will prevent any efficient counterattack.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/aasDrhC.jpg[/img]



STEF78 -> April 1944 (2/21/2018 7:28:17 PM)

Winter 43/44 campaign proved to be very hard for my units.

TOE of whole army is heavily suffering. Stug units are especially bleeded.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/AmP8i6I.jpg[/img]

It's also the case for my mobile units. Average is roughly 75% TOE...

[img]https://i.imgur.com/aeWp8he.jpg[/img]

Fortunatly I still have the best air units. Note the 211 kills for Stab/JG51 with 4 fighters!

[img]https://i.imgur.com/br37dlZ.jpg[/img]

and the best leaders (win/loss ratio)

[img]https://i.imgur.com/j7dFVdj.jpg[/img]



STEF78 -> April 1944 (2/24/2018 9:58:24 AM)

Overview of the winter 1943/1944 campaign.

Pretty satisfied with the result in the South, and between Ilmen and Moscow. Stelteck was obviously to strong in the center and managed to keep his momentum. He avoided the sector between Lipetsk and Voronejh and hit north and south. Once the level 2 fort line is lost, axis army is unable to prevent soviet advance. And he now has a bulk of rifle corps able to breach the first line...
Crimea required 2 corps as reinforcements. They could have been very useful in the north or in the center.
Near Leningrad, I overestimated the ability of my units to delay russian advance... mud was more than welcome.

Now some weeks of mud and clear weather to come....

[img]https://i.imgur.com/n5yFK1y.jpg[/img]



M60A3TTS -> RE: April 1944 (2/24/2018 11:00:03 AM)

I'd be curious to know what the Soviet arms pool looks like at this point.



Stelteck -> RE: April 1944 (2/24/2018 1:08:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

I'd be curious to know what the Soviet arms pool looks like at this point.


I have more than one million armement point left in stock. Armement have never been an issue except 5 weeks at the end of 1941.

BUT, despite having enough ARM points, i still have issues to fill artillery divisions (and anything other 100mm in my TOE) because gun production is quite low, due to the other mecanism. (The limit per type per turn).

Ha my tank pool is empty. (But still have 400 production each turn).



Crackaces -> RE: April 1944 (2/24/2018 2:52:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Stelteck


quote:

ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

I'd be curious to know what the Soviet arms pool looks like at this point.


I have more than one million armement point left in stock. Armement have never been an issue except 5 weeks at the end of 1941.

BUT, despite having enough ARM points, i still have issues to fill artillery divisions (and anything other 100mm in my TOE) because gun production is quite low, due to the other mecanism. (The limit per type per turn).

Ha my tank pool is empty. (But still have 400 production each turn).



This is interesting because the manpower to gun ratio is well over 10%. That means to me that whatever Soviet units are out there have real stuff .. the Soviets are not diluted by number of units.



Dinglir -> RE: April 1944 (2/24/2018 3:10:25 PM)

I would guess that you need to start shortening your front considerably, in order to avoid be spread to thin.

Otherwise, it is just a matter of ime before you suffer some catastrophic gap in your front, which will allow the Soviets to bag a very good deal of your units.



STEF78 -> RE: April 1944 (2/25/2018 10:02:37 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Dinglir

I would guess that you need to start shortening your front considerably, in order to avoid be spread to thin.

Otherwise, it is just a matter of ime before you suffer some catastrophic gap in your front, which will allow the Soviets to bag a very good deal of your units.

You're right. Russian army is now far stronger than the axis one.

OKH is working on different case studies in order to avoid such a disaster.



STEF78 -> April 1944 (2/25/2018 10:06:58 AM)

Turn 148, 13th april 1944

Very low activity. Note 0 vehicle lost in combat

Wounded soldiers are sent back to the front line after some rest at home...

[img]https://i.imgur.com/i32bZre.jpg[/img]



STEF78 -> April 1944 (2/26/2018 6:57:26 PM)

Turn 150, 27th april 1944

One month without major fight... the net balance wounded/return is also positive for the russians

[img]https://i.imgur.com/M3b7lqM.jpg[/img]



STEF78 -> May 1944 (2/28/2018 10:19:17 AM)

Turn 152, 11th may 1944

First task of May 1944, free the units almost trapped in Moscow. I gather a very strong task force and... got a held!

Maybe I should have set Manstein as commander but too late...

Really not a good news [:(]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/NjEkaHw.jpg[/img]



Mamluke -> RE: April 1944 (3/1/2018 3:12:59 AM)



quote:

ORIGINAL: Stelteck


quote:

ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

I'd be curious to know what the Soviet arms pool looks like at this point.


I have more than one million armement point left in stock. Armement have never been an issue except 5 weeks at the end of 1941.

BUT, despite having enough ARM points, i still have issues to fill artillery divisions (and anything other 100mm in my TOE) because gun production is quite low, due to the other mecanism. (The limit per type per turn).

Ha my tank pool is empty. (But still have 400 production each turn).


Stelteck, can you tells us about your manpower pool?
also how much Armaments and Heavy Industry do you have?

BTW, I want to congratulate you on a Smacking success at Leningrad! you punch beyond the Volkhov, crashed the level 3 forts! and passed most of the marshes in a few turns, that could have taken 5 or more times the turns to grab the same territory!! now many German units including panzers will have to be sent here.

I say it was a Genius ploy, now all the options are open for a summer 1944 offensive!!
deliver us a greater Bagration!



STEF78 -> May 1944 (3/1/2018 6:50:46 AM)

Turn 152, 11th may 1944

I have thought a lot about the avantages and inconvenients of holding the current frontline. I have level 3 forts with a 2 hex deep line but russian units at contact, fully rested and refited.

An there is a mud turn every other turn. It's a huge disadvantage when you are defending.

So I finally decided to give ground and create a significant buffer between my line and those nasty tank corps....

Units in Moscow will do their best...

[img]https://i.imgur.com/57oIX5u.jpg[/img]

And the OOB

[img]https://i.imgur.com/1te0hcA.jpg[/img]



timmyab -> RE: May 1944 (3/1/2018 10:42:44 AM)

Very wise. I would guess that mass encirclements are the only way you wont win at this point.



STEF78 -> RE: May 1944 (3/3/2018 7:45:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: timmyab

Very wise. I would guess that mass encirclements are the only way you wont win at this point.

It's a-historical but the only way to prevent the russians from reaching Berlin in September 1944.

I still have only 2 russians cities awarding VPs (Leningrad and Kiev). Moscow will fall soon. So ground has no value anymore.



STEF78 -> May 1944 (3/4/2018 10:26:20 AM)

Turn 154, 25th may 1944

25 may 1944 and Moscow is still in german hands! the city will fall next week but it's already a very good result.

Retreat is on on the major part of the front. We will fight from Pskov to the far north annd retreat on the other part of the frontline.

We are are now close from 3/1 in AFV. I've lost some Pzd which were sent back to the west and Stelteck is close from 30k.

Russian art is also increasing now... summer will be hot!

Russian railheads are 50 miles behind the fontline. It should affect his truck pool.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/OnI8zmk.jpg[/img]



Dinglir -> RE: May 1944 (3/4/2018 10:47:09 AM)

I notice that you have constructed an almost exact copy of the Panther-Wotun line, running along the Dvina and the Dnepr. Will that be your next line of defense?

I cannot help but wonder if your line would not have been stronger if you had hinged it on the Ingul river running north from Nikolaev. That way, the line would have been 17 hexes shorter, meaning you could have built up a more meaningful strategic reserve (and doubled the thickness of the line along the Ingul).

Also, why withdraw a full six hexes pr turn? If you had only withdrawn three hexes, it would still be more or less impossible for the Soviets to conduct meaningfull attacks on your troops. However, you would still have plenty more time to build up your line of defense before the Soviets arrive at it.

Finally, I am curious to see if we shall have some localized counterattacks, if the Soviets get to far ahead of their railheads. Encircling and destroying a few formations may not mean much on the strategic level anymore, but it would still be nice to see nonetheless.

In any case, I have already prepared the popcorn and am awaiting the sequel.



STEF78 -> RE: May 1944 (3/4/2018 11:20:00 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Dinglir

I notice that you have constructed an almost exact copy of the Panther-Wotun line, running along the Dvina and the Dnepr. Will that be your next line of defense?

It will obviously be a place where I will fight. I hope being able to delay russian advance at this place till mid july if everything works fine.

quote:


I cannot help but wonder if your line would not have been stronger if you had hinged it on the Ingul river running north from Nikolaev. That way, the line would have been 17 hexes shorter, meaning you could have built up a more meaningful strategic reserve (and doubled the thickness of the line along the Ingul).

True but Major river hexes prevents mutiple attacks from mech units. Minor don't.

quote:


Also, why withdraw a full six hexes pr turn? If you had only withdrawn three hexes, it would still be more or less impossible for the Soviets to conduct meaningfull attacks on your troops. However, you would still have plenty more time to build up your line of defense before the Soviets arrive at it.

I know it's a lot of ground given but I want to avoid major encirclement and:
- The next turn weather is known (we are playing non-random weather) and it's a huge advantage for the attacker as he knows he has nothing to loose in advancing fast during the clear turn before the mud turn
- Stelteck has 30k AFV and a german inf in open ground without entrenchment has actually a 4/5 CV and I d'ont have Pzd in the second line everywhere. Thus, if I would be giving only 3 hexes, i'm sure that Stelteck would be able to create encirclement. You will get an illustration of that next turn.

And the line will have level 3 forts once the russians arrive... I show what I want on the maps posted [;)]. Sometimes, I hide some places. Look for example at the Stalino area on 13th of january... it appears empty. But I only wanted to hide the fort line I was building...

quote:


Finally, I am curious to see if we shall have some localized counterattacks, if the Soviets get to far ahead of their railheads. Encircling and destroying a few formations may not mean much on the strategic level anymore, but it would still be nice to see nonetheless.

I will try to rout some spearheads but encircling and destroying.... not sure with all that nasty rifle corps just behind

quote:


In any case, I have already prepared the popcorn and am awaiting the sequel.

Enjoy![;)]



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