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STEF78 -> June 1944 (3/7/2018 6:16:19 AM)
Turn 155, 1st june 1944 Moscow has fallen! We held the city during more than 2 years... Despite the ground given , Stelteck is able to threaten my first line units. 30+ tank and mech corps represent a great threat against non entrenched units. Have a look at the CV's of the southern part of the pincer. [img]https://i.imgur.com/hO1UyBN.jpg[/img] Another hot spot near Pskov where we decide to fight. The city is surrounded [img]https://i.imgur.com/n6B0eUO.jpg[/img] Some counterattacks all along the front. The line is restored in the Pskov area with 9th and 10th SS Pzd. Some AFV losses on the russian side. [img]https://i.imgur.com/CsFbb3R.jpg[/img]

Mamluke -> RE: June 1944 (3/11/2018 3:12:08 PM)
the race to the west is ON! its a bit ironic, this is almost like the 41 summer but in reverse, where the Axis needs the Soviets to fight far away from supply in order to stand, not only will they receive low supply, will also receive few if any replacements with out refit. the Soviet Juggernaut looks really unstoppable now, almost 30K AFV! and its the good S###, the modern type, over 120K arty. of course what counts it that the Soviets now have many large tank and Mech corps with high morale and experience. not to mention several crack Guards armies for several Axis of attack. wonder if Stelteck can tells us how many guards armies are there? I bet once the front settles on the Dnepr and the land bridge we will see the familiarity of the 43 winter. Constant Axis counter attacks against the spear heads, with Stef in command I think he can pull it off! so interested to see if Axis can pull off a stalemate, even if its just for 1 to 2 months. Stef, why don't you build a fort zone in Osivinovets near Leningrad? you could get a level 5 fort there! and have all the summer to build it, I'm assuming stelteck won't want to station guards rifle corps for this area. BTW can you tell us how much MPs from supply the Soviets are in? in every turn from now? would be cool to compare to the Axis situation 3 years prior, could also determine if there is a "breaking point" where the Soviet troops simply receive to few supply and Ammunition to push forward. EDIT: I want to clarify that by stalemate I'm talking just for this summer.

GPT55 -> RE: June 1944 (3/11/2018 9:56:06 PM)
I'm curious what Stelteck's truck situation is. Whenever I've had a large Soviet army with lots of tanks my truck situation has been pretty bad.

STEF78 -> RE: June 1944 (3/11/2018 10:28:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mamluke .../... I bet once the front settles on the Dnepr and the land bridge we will see the familiarity of the 43 winter. Constant Axis counter attacks against the spear heads, with Stef in command I think he can pull it off! so interested to see if Axis can pull off a stalemate, even if its just for 1 to 2 months. We are 4 turns ahead of the AAR and in fact I begun to counterattack before the frontline reaches the Dvina/Landbridge/Dniepr line. But the situation is far different than 6 monthes ago. My army is far weaker in quantity (AFV and men) and quality (national morale) while the russian one is far better. Several rifle stacks have CV above 60 and some are above 70. Tank stacks are often above 50. It was not the case during the winter. We will do our best but I don't believe I will be still holding this line end july 1944. quote: Stef, why don't you build a fort zone in Osivinovets near Leningrad? you could get a level 5 fort there! and have all the summer to build it, I'm assuming stelteck won't want to station guards rifle corps for this area. .../... I could give tactical and strategical reason including the increasing cost of building forts but in fact, I just didn't think about it... Thanks.

M60A3TTS -> RE: June 1944 (3/11/2018 10:51:00 PM)
There is little point of Stelteck doing much more other than putting a garrison around Leningrad and waiting to take it in the winter of 44-45. Meanwhile, he can pass the time bombing the Finnish air force out of existence.

Stelteck -> RE: June 1944 (3/12/2018 8:52:54 AM)
I have mixed feeling of what to do with Leningrad. If i ignore it i will still bleeding victory point one more year.

Mamluke -> RE: June 1944 (3/12/2018 3:37:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Stelteck I have mixed feeling of what to do with Leningrad. If i ignore it i will still bleeding victory point one more year. that is a good point, logical that the Soviets won't ignore such an Important city.

John B. -> RE: June 1944 (3/12/2018 4:09:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mamluke quote: ORIGINAL: Stelteck I have mixed feeling of what to do with Leningrad. If i ignore it i will still bleeding victory point one more year. that is a good point, logical that the Soviets won't ignore such an Important city. Especially since the Germans held cities like Moscow for so long. Hard to make up that deficit without taking back what you can when you can.

STEF78 -> June 1944 (3/12/2018 9:49:46 PM)
Turn 157, 15th june 1944 Usual bad news, lots of units are sent week after week to the western front [img]https://i.imgur.com/cOmbdDp.jpg[/img] Retreat is on, we are now at contact from black sea to Dtown. We will fight for the Dniepr bend. Some Sec units act as rearguard near Pskov. [img]https://i.imgur.com/6uaiVMn.jpg[/img]

timmyab -> RE: June 1944 (3/12/2018 11:09:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Stelteck I have mixed feeling of what to do with Leningrad. If i ignore it i will still bleeding victory point one more year. Leningrad defense looks very solid. Hard to imagine an attack that could break that line until the river freezes, even then it would be tough. Unless there's an opportunity further North it's probably best to just ignore it and push for the Soviet VPs to the West.

Mamluke -> RE: June 1944 (3/13/2018 2:52:30 AM)
Man losing those SS panzer divisions must fell like a sharp pain :( from the looks of it, they seam like your most powerful divisions excluding Gross-Deutschland. are you going to lose more of then?

STEF78 -> RE: June 1944 (3/13/2018 8:46:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mamluke Man losing those SS panzer divisions must fell like a sharp pain :( from the looks of it, they seam like your most powerful divisions excluding Gross-Deutschland. are you going to lose more of then? Withdrawals but also reinforcements are usual, even if the current period sees more losses than gains. These 2 units add 23 and 25 CV, they were among the best but not in the top five [img]https://i.imgur.com/jJDbL2p.jpg[/img] Units attached can greatly improve CV. Below the 3rs SS Pzd has King Tigers as heavy tanks, 2 Heavy Pz Battalions and 67 T34.... [img]https://i.imgur.com/DFm2gns.jpg[/img] These 2 ones add 8 CV to the unit. Note that one of these battalions will withdraw soon [:(]... [img]https://i.imgur.com/KXgfaj3.jpg[/img] And I have a huge pool of tigers to burn [img]https://i.imgur.com/fr15r3e.jpg[/img]

EwaldvonKleist -> RE: June 1944 (3/14/2018 12:48:30 AM)
Imo Tigers should be able t fill in for medium tanks in such cases.

chaos45 -> RE: June 1944 (3/14/2018 6:47:41 AM)
it would appear Tigers are invincible in the combat system.....more of yet another game combat mechanic gone wrong. If you look at ready/dam and tigers in the pool it would means the Germans in almost 2 years of operating Tigers has only taken like 12 total write offs on tigers lol.....guess those 12 invincible vehicles most likely just wore out from driving around and shooting up soviet tanks lol. So pretty un-realistic by any measure.

No idea -> RE: June 1944 (3/14/2018 8:47:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chaos45 it would appear Tigers are invincible in the combat system.....more of yet another game combat mechanic gone wrong. If you look at ready/dam and tigers in the pool it would means the Germans in almost 2 years of operating Tigers has only taken like 12 total write offs on tigers lol.....guess those 12 invincible vehicles most likely just wore out from driving around and shooting up soviet tanks lol. So pretty un-realistic by any measure. They certainly shouldnt be invincible, but the soviets didnt make much damage to them until the new T34/85 came out in numbers. Most losses were due to fuel shortages or the tank breaking down (two things the game doesnt properly reflect, imo). While germans were defending (as they mostly did from 1943 onwards), AT soviet units had a much harder time picking them out. I remeber a combat report of mid/late 1943 were german tigers lost a single one vs several dozens soviet tanks lost.

chaos45 -> RE: June 1944 (3/14/2018 4:30:21 PM)
ummm looks at historical records on the Tiger BNs- most lost a fair amount of tanks while in action either due to enemy action or mechanical failure--if your retreating from a loss almost all mechanical failures = total losses. A tiger wasnt as invincible in real life and as German propaganda and history has made it out to be.....also remember Soviets have the 85mm AA gun almost as effective vs ground targets as an 88mm....and they have these from the start of the war basically....also is heavy artillery...AT mines...lots and lots of reasons a tank may be disabled aside from a T34 shell.... If remember right the first one lost in N Africa was from a shell jamming the turret and mechanical failure or some such....so have almost 100% of your tigers left after almost 2 years of combat actions is beyond ridiculous for game mechanics...something is very wrong with loss mechanics/combat mechanics to allow this.

HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: June 1944 (3/14/2018 4:50:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chaos45 ummm looks at historical records on the Tiger BNs- most lost a fair amount of tanks while in action either due to enemy action or mechanical failure--if your retreating from a loss almost all mechanical failures = total losses. A tiger wasnt as invincible in real life and as German propaganda and history has made it out to be.....also remember Soviets have the 85mm AA gun almost as effective vs ground targets as an 88mm....and they have these from the start of the war basically....also is heavy artillery...AT mines...lots and lots of reasons a tank may be disabled aside from a T34 shell.... If remember right the first one lost in N Africa was from a shell jamming the turret and mechanical failure or some such....so have almost 100% of your tigers left after almost 2 years of combat actions is beyond ridiculous for game mechanics...something is very wrong with loss mechanics/combat mechanics to allow this. Yup, I agree. German Panzers = Supermen and they shouldnt be. As I said in this post. http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4339376

timmyab -> RE: June 1944 (3/14/2018 6:44:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chaos45 If remember right the first one lost in N Africa was from a shell jamming the turret and mechanical failure or some such That tiger is in the Bovington tank museum. Still a runner too. You can see where the shell (I think from a churchill tank?) damaged the turret. The crew panicked and legged it.

STEF78 -> June 1944 (3/17/2018 7:39:34 AM)
Turn 158, 22th june 1944 4th year of war begins... In the South Stelteck progressively clears the eastern bank of the Dniepr. [img]https://i.imgur.com/czEQxmz.jpg[/img] some counterattacks against russian spearheads [img]https://i.imgur.com/xoAWrJs.jpg[/img] In the North, Leningrad is firmly held and I get a new Finnish Inf Div as reinforcement! [img]https://i.imgur.com/Rr39jGS.jpg[/img]

BrianG -> RE: June 1944 (3/17/2018 11:27:26 AM)
That was a nice late war rr cut. Also, attacking Leningrad with 5000 guns. Did he really think he would win or just checking out what would happen for fun.

STEF78 -> RE: June 1944 (3/17/2018 1:52:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BrianG That was a nice late war rr cut. Partisans are very active in 1944. at least 3 or 4 railroads cut every week quote: Also, attacking Leningrad with 5000 guns. Did he really think he would win or just checking out what would happen for fun. You cannot take such a city on the first assault. The deal is to loose men in order to weaken the fort level

Mamluke -> RE: June 1944 (3/18/2018 8:11:26 PM)
attacking an Heavy Urban hex sure is an nightmare... a Finish Infantry battalion, an freaking Infantry Battalion, no more then 800 to 900 men had as much CV as a mother### rifle corps of 30 000 men! and over a 1000 CV per Infantry division? those aren't even that good!

STEF78 -> June 1944 (3/19/2018 7:28:22 PM)
Turn 158, 22th june 1944 View of the frontline after my moves. Low intensity week of fights, mainly in the blue circles. Near Pskov, Stelteck was hunting my security regiments. Russian OOB is still growing. We will fight behind the Dniepr! [img]https://i.imgur.com/nolLUlp.jpg[/img]

BrianG -> RE: June 1944 (3/20/2018 11:28:46 AM)
I see 23 rr cuts. Maybe partisans should up their game earlier in the war.

ericv -> RE: June 1944 (3/20/2018 4:09:27 PM)
I count 28 railcuts. The missing 5 are probably 2 in territory conquered by the russians se of welikije luki, and 3 hidden amongst a lot of recon icons east of kiev

BrianG -> RE: June 1944 (3/20/2018 8:20:27 PM)
quote: I count 28 railcuts. The missing 5 are probably 2 in territory conquered by the russians se of welikije luki, and 3 hidden amongst a lot of recon icons east of kiev Grounds for a promotion!

STEF78 -> June 1944 (3/22/2018 8:54:58 PM)
Turn 159, 29th june 1944 Heavy fights on the frontline, more than 1200 russian AFV destroyed . Counterattacks in front of Kiev. Zaporozhe and Leningrad strongly held. Look at all these tank corps in front of Vitebsk... [img]https://i.imgur.com/hpZcfAw.jpg[/img]

SparkleyTits -> RE: June 1944 (3/23/2018 10:17:48 AM)
The manpower loss is looking like a hard knock but time and ground is definitely gonna make up for that without a disaster or two Also constantly blown away by the eye candy you bring to an AAR Stef Keep up the good work!

STEF78 -> RE: June 1944 (3/24/2018 8:31:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SparkleyTits The manpower loss is looking like a hard knock but time and ground is definitely gonna make up for that without a disaster or two I'm in good shape and sill have some ground to trade but WITE is a snowball game. Maybe I can afford a significant encirclement and still win the game but it would be boring to run to the west and build a fortress around Berlin. I will try to use the ground advantages (swamp, forest, river, mountain) and retreat as slow as possible. I have retreated faster in the earlier turn of clear weather in order not to be facing 30 tank corps with 50 Mp's. Now it's time to fight. But as already written, I'm really concerned with all these tank corps in front of Vitebsk. quote: Also constantly blown away by the eye candy you bring to an AAR Stef Keep up the good work! Thanks [;)]

STEF78 -> June 1944 (3/24/2018 8:39:28 AM)
A view of the evolution of both OOB. Raw number are more and more in favor of the reds but also average quality is closer. Russian NM is 56 while german NM is now only 63.... "It's a cruel, cruel summer" [img]https://i.imgur.com/zz3PiF3.jpg[/img]

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