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Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (1/5/2018 9:38:40 PM)

Okay guys, we will be able to do the turn by tomorrow most likely. Ledo is our new Central commander so no one touches the middle except him..
Airplanes were attributed evenly between all fronts, more or less. you should have a several hundreds bombers at your disposition.

Focus on their Panzer groups for the moment being. If there is any way at all, we can send some troops behind their lines to cause chaos, or even to mess with their supply lines. it would be great. We are expecting lots of reinforcement coming in the next few months. I will decide who gets what as the situation develops, but the center lost so many divisions, we wont have any other choice than to send most over there.


APs will be distributed evenly as of now. But keep in mind that I will need some APs to upgrade airplanes.
If you want specific leaders be replaced and send to the gulags, just ask me and I will most likely oblige.
Good luck to everyone. If anyone has something to say, as always, say it.



Order of turns : Commander / Central / North / South / Commander.




ledo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (1/6/2018 1:41:11 AM)

Hi guys,

So i've just taken a look at the centre's completed turn on turn 8. And I have to say that the likelihood of us holding Moscow is quite low. The pockets are not only large but also contain some of our most experienced and highest morale units from the 20th and 13th armies. As such I just wanted to raise the possibility that we might need to evacuate some factories over the next few turns, in Moscow and Tula, depending how the German turn nine push goes. I know railcap will be a real chokepoint, but whenever we have any to spare, I'd like to start working on the below list.

Looking at what we currently have I've made a list of factories that need to be evacuated:

Pe-3: 1 Immediately.
Li-2: All
IL-10: 1 should be fine.
IL-4: At least 1
Pe-2R: All
Yak-7A: Just 1.
T-40: All
Pe-2: All

These are using Walloc's factory evacuation guide, but some of you might have a different opinion. On top of these, of course we need to gradually move our armaments and heavy industry. If we let them get in base contact with the factories, the costs will double, so I'd say the sooner we start evacuating the better. With our lines as they are they could potentially reach the outskirts of Moscow and Tula in the next month. Maybe sooner, I'm not that familiar with Soviets, but I've played Germany and broken through similar lines in this sort of timeframe.




Kratsch -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (1/6/2018 11:10:43 AM)

Ok, great.

It might be worthwhile to do the shuffle to the national reserve, upgrading as the first thing, as once they have flown, you cannot do it anymore for that turn.

I am away skiing from tomorrow for a week, so will be out of comms. But I guess it will take the Axis a few days anyway, plus you can do all your stuff given I am last in the sequence, so shouldn't hold things up too much

Good luck!




Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (1/6/2018 7:24:15 PM)

Alright the turn is in.
I made my turn.

ALL REINFORCEMENT were sent to the central front by rail. They are all in the vicinity of the city of Moscow.

Central commander : Incorporate those into your armies and defend Moscow. The enemy is knocking. This is the ultimate battle that will decide the fate of Moscow. Keep in mind. Loosing Moscow is not a game breaker. We can always retreat and capture it back during the winter. One avenue we could go is retreat everything and leave the Germans fighting for supplies, but this will need to be talked over with everyone before we make a drastic decision like that.


All other fronts, do as best you can. Its not Ledo's turn.
Dont forget people that you now manage your own air units.

Ledo, If you want to take care of ALL factories. It will be your responsibility, for all fronts.




Kratsch -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (1/6/2018 7:57:59 PM)

Do NOT give up Moscow for free without a fight!!!

There is quite good terrain in front of it, hold it with several lines deep- the Germans are at the end of their supply line. They might take it, yes, but makes them fight for it. The Oka is a nice defence from the south against pockets!
Otherwise they will have far more forces to use in other areas!!

I will in the south continue to fall back north of the river to conserve my forces, and thus have enough to move the entire line eastwards. That way I hopefully will have enough to guard Kharkov. I will try to hold the Stalino tricity area for a few turns.
Odessa will be evacuated as best as possible to rescue those good divisions there.

Entirely agree with you evacuation suggestions.




Kratsch -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (1/6/2018 8:57:37 PM)

I have done my south as going away skiing tomorrow to avoid everyone having to wait for me.
I had to use a handful of APs to organise my troops.

One SEC on the way to the north to guard the Finnish no attack line.

No rail at all was used as we need to evac as much stuff as possible.

I assume Bryansk front is Centre?

I would be extremely grateful for a handful of divisions next turn to guard the area towards Rostov, but I know troops are scarce...




ledo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (1/6/2018 9:51:56 PM)

Operation Jaws

So far I have done movements on the Chernigov/Bryansk Sector. This front has been a bit overloaded, considering it does not provide a natural avenue of advance for the Wehrmacht. In this sector the plan is to retreat all mechanized and motorized units from this sector to help with the defense of Moscow. A token force of four infantry divisions from the 21st Army will be left behind along the Snov-Desna river line to force the supply-stretched German infantry there to spend fuel and MPs crossing the rivers.

Additional infantry forces will be placed around Bryansk and Tula early on. While token defences will be placed along the river lines further south to slow the German advance towards Kursk etc. A few cavalry units will be sent south if the Germans decide to push here, with job of disrupting their supply lines.

The job of this sector is to slowly create increasing lines of defense and slow down the infantry advance, with the hope of maintaining lines in front of Moscow come winter, providing us with a salient with which to counter-attack during the blizzard. THis will provide us either a pocketing opportunity or disrupt their Moscow lines in the hope that we might recapture it before spring '42. To avoid this becoming an additional pocket, lines will be maintained close to Moscow, and the situation in the South will be monitored to ensure AGS cannot encircle this area. However, troop numbers will be relatively small and dispersed to key areas, to minimize the damage if the lines break. Some cavalry units will be maintained in this sector and they will look for opportunities to disrupt the German supply along their southern flank.

The 10th Army is also retreating back towards Moscow. Depending on the situation over the next two weeks it will either reinforce the Bryansk-Tula line and support Operation Jaws (winter salient in Moscow) or help bolster the defence of Moscow if German troops do not push strongly south.

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Some additional questions;

I noticed there are some airborne units attached to the Southwestern Front pretty far north (1st Airborne Corps). I assume these are still owned by the Southwestern commander, but wanted to make sure.

Also, I need to know if any other front is looking to use rail over this turn. If you are, I can perform the factory evacuations at the end of the turn, so as not to impede your plans. Additionally, if anyone needs factories evacuated please provide a list of which ones, how many and how urgent the evacuation is. You can refer to Walloc's factory evacuation guide if you are unsure, i find it very useful as a general guide.

I'm still very much new to the game, so let me know if you have any concerns with my plans thus far.

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Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (1/7/2018 2:40:44 AM)

Alright all of that sounds great. Thats wonderful even.

Quick Question Ledo : What program do you use to make this image ?




ledo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (1/7/2018 7:11:36 AM)

Hi all,

I might do the factory evac at the end of the turn. I need to get a sense of what everyone wants gone, and want to make sure there is still railcap for those that need to use it during the turn.

I've done the moves for Moscow and the North. Currently I'm just focusing on making sure all fortified areas are equipped. Northwest of Tula i've retreated behind the river. I've also added new units to the decimated 4th and 13th Armies.

The reinforcements this turn were largely cavalry and AT brigades. I think the German Panzers are on the end of a HQ buildup so hopefully they won't be able to mount a push this turn. If they have full movement points, then I don't know what might happen, our fortification levels are too low, and many of our troops too inexperienced to stop them. I'm almost done my turn, I just have a few requests.

1. I request that all support units be transferred from the 21st Army to the 50th Army when possible. The 21st is positioned for a delaying action but has some decent support, while the 50th is in a key defensive position and has none.

2. I request that Tolbukhin be transferred from leadership of the depleted 13th Army, to the leadership of the crucial 30th Army which makes up the bulk of the line 50 miles outside of Moscow. General Khomenko is less than impressive, and Tolbukhin's skills are being wasted on the 13th Army which has become a dumping ground for miscellaneous reinforcements with nowhere yet to go.

Thanks,

Ledo

P.S. That's just powerpoint and a snipit tool. I just toggled units off on the map.




Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (1/7/2018 3:47:43 PM)

"I've done the moves for Moscow and the North"

What do you mean exactly by, the North ? Because the Northern Front is Doctorking's front. Unless you meant, the north side of your central front.

And yes you can transfer the support if you want, thats all up to you to do. If the armies are from your front. I will put Tolbukhin into the 30th army at the end of the turn, as you requested. The only control I have over units are those that are attributed to STAVKA. And the only thing I can do with them is move them to the front, and then assign them to an army ( or tell you guys to assign them to the armies of your choice ) And also, killing, sending to the gulag, and replacing generals.

Okay thanks for the info, I use paint to make things like that and it looks horrible, haha.




ledo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (1/7/2018 7:11:13 PM)

Yes I meant western front units north of Moscow. I did however assign Stavka units directly around Moscow to armies, which is my bad, I assumed they were for the defense of Moscow, and I want them getting the benefits of Zhukov on the Western Front. I'm not sure if I screwed anything up there. As far as support units I was just worried about using AP.

Ill finish up and pass on the save tonight. Do I put it in the dropbox? I think I got the naming conventions for the saves down so that shouldn't be a problem.

Edit: Thought I screwed up the turn order, but that was just me having a mental blank. Will submit turn tonight.




Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (1/7/2018 8:20:12 PM)

You didnt screw up anything. Every STAVKA reinforcement going to center is yours to take.


Yeah for the turn order, the South was done first because of a skiing trip from our southern commander ( lucky bastard )

but yeah we will be waiting your turn, and yes, put it in the dropbox. Then Doctorking will be able to do his.




ledo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (1/8/2018 12:14:50 AM)

Yeah so I have screwed it up, I think. I might have to re-do my moves, i'll check when I get home tonight. Luckily, with so few units I don't have that many moves to do so that's an upside. The Soviets have to take every advantage they have in this grim situation. But seriously, it might help me anyway for my first soviet turn in terms of reorganization to do it again, it's not like I did any attacks. The ground bombing is going to be a tad tedious though.




Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (1/8/2018 3:34:24 AM)

Strictly forbidden to do turns a second time. Well just have to roll with it, its not the end of the world.




ledo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (1/8/2018 5:00:28 AM)

Oh i see but I did my turn off the SupComDone turn, because I thought it started with centre. Otherwise I'd leave it for sure. Sorry for the confusion, I didn't realise South was going to go first, I downloaded the turn almost as soon as you posted it and only went back to the dropbox when I was done.




Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (1/8/2018 6:19:53 AM)

ok, well yeah do your turn from the south file.




Kratsch -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (1/8/2018 10:36:48 AM)

Sorry for the confusion.

You were right in that your should go ahead of me, was just to avoid a week delay y me being sine yesterday.

From next time onwards, all back to normal.




thedoctorking -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (1/8/2018 2:00:27 PM)

OK, so am I up now with only northern in my jurisdiction again?




ledo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (1/8/2018 11:14:02 PM)

Hi doctorking, no I have to do my turn, sorry I screwed up the turn order. My bad. You can do your turn first if you want though.




thedoctorking -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (1/9/2018 2:02:46 AM)

No, please go ahead. I'll take my turn after you.

PM when ready.




Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (1/9/2018 2:27:24 AM)

No one screwed up the turn's order.

Its Commander, Central, North, South.

South was done first as a one time only thing. Its now Central and then North.




Kratsch -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (1/9/2018 7:00:16 PM)

Gents,

Just spent some time reading the 8 player team game, and in particular the strategic air war!

We should take note in both directions:
Leave a few fighter equipped air bases near important factories in our back

And

Are there maybe some interesting German factories WE can bomb to reduce some critical stuff, e.g. panzer III OR iV or some planes?
Even trying this a few times forces them at least to station some of their valuable fighter far back just in case we try this again.

Dear Comrade Air Commander, is this worth having a look at?




Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (1/9/2018 7:08:03 PM)

To: Marshal Kratsch
From : Stalin


I have read your request to STAVKA to send bombers in the rear lines, I personally think this is a bad idea, but since you brought up the topic, we will run an experimental mission with the bombers at your disposition.
When you will be able to, send some bombers wherever you want, and take note of how many Germans intercept you ( if any ) and take notes of casualties taken. Run a couple of mission like this and come back to me with the numbers.
At the end of our turn, before I do my last one, you will be conducting those mission if you can.

Good Luck Marshal.




Kratsch -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (1/9/2018 7:26:58 PM)

Comrade, yes, your wish is my command.

The only bombers suitable I think are the Il-4 from memory given their range; not sure if others have the range to reach Berlin etc. Not sure if I have any, but. I will use them to that regard as per your wishes.

Should we also park one airbase each next to our important factories in the backfield, with each say 2-3 units of otherwise obsolete I-type fighters on them?

I think we should have enough airbases for that.

We would need a list of which factories to guard, sir.




Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (1/9/2018 7:54:07 PM)

Yes to all of that. I am unsure as to witch factories we should protect more, make an assembly and discuss of this with the other Marshals and we will apply what comes out of it.

Also

NEW ORDER OF THE DAY

Starting next turn:
I want every single division to hit every German troops in front of them. Do not advance and capture territory if gains are made. Hold your defensive position as much as you can, but attack the enemy as much as you can as well. I want us to be relentless. I want the Germans to consume their supplies like fire, I want to destroy at least 1 tank or vehicle per attack, per division, per turn. Those attacks will be to put a strain on the enemy. Attack not only once, but as much as you can, 4 times if you can. The more we get the Germans to consume their supplies and get broken/destroyed vehicles, the better we are off.




Kratsch -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (1/9/2018 8:04:31 PM)

Comrades,
It appears that the enemy is susceptible to fire off all their ammo at the first waves of attacks, leaving little for later on. While we have lots of volunteers who are happily giving their lives, using a small token rifle brigade or alike for the first few attacks might absorb most of their fire, which means that the main subsequent attacks suffer much less, leaving us more men to keep attacking the fascists!

The only risk is the NVKD seeing lots of ‘lost battles’, and firing promising new generals,

Uuraahhhhh!




ledo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (1/10/2018 5:17:18 AM)

I don't mind doing this. And I can see the logic of it in terms of our supply lines being shorter. However, I don't think we get resupplied before the Germans have their turn, while they do. I think this should be a tactic while the Germans reorganize their lines between offensives, but not on the turn before an expected offensive. Otherwise, after Germans resupply during their supply phase, we may end up being the ones at a disadvantage.

One adjustment to this tactic could be using AT brigades or rifle brigades in a stack of three (with the other two having the majority of the combined CV) along the line to use up their ammo. But we should probably limit this to formations we can recognize are not already fully supplied, and thus the attacks are likely to keep them under 100% on the following turn. Taking a 100% unit down to 80% will probably still see them at 100% ammo by the start of their next turn, while we will be at reduced levels.

Sorry for the delay on my turn by the way, a lot of work just came in, I might need one more day. If the commanders of the other two fronts could highlight any cities that are in critical danger of being captured (and a timeline) I can work out which factory evacuations are the most urgent. Currently I have Moscow, Tula and Bryansk all possibly having adjacent units within three weeks, and potentially captured or surrounded within the next 4-6 weeks. Hopefully we'll hold out longer, but this is a likely scenario.




Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (1/10/2018 7:38:04 PM)

Ledo, if you do not get any answer by the time you are ready to finalize your turn, just do with whatever you think should be done. You seem to have a good grasp on the whole factory evac mechanic.


Also, I was looking at this whole situation near the pripyet marshes and maybe it would be a good idea to send some division to try to cut out the German supply and cause a little bit of chaos, this will, in turn, take away some of their troops for the assault on Moscow, maybe they will think we are trying a huge rescue operation behind enemy lines for that pocket we have there and put the attention somewhere else than on Moscow for the time being. I dont think they kept any reserve units in there, and you will most likely encounter very small resistance. Maybe you could try to get some Air recon in there and prepare an attack.

Your task would be to capture Misnk and Mogilev ( shown in Black ). And then retreat back to your own position (shown in red)
Since we are on the defensive, this is only a suggestion. It is up to you, if you want to try that or not.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/va2xzkM.jpg[/img]




ledo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (1/10/2018 8:47:54 PM)

Interesting. I'll take a look, but I think they're running their rail line from Vitebsk, based on looking at their units and the changes in range to rail as I move around. Still it might cause some chaos, and I can displace an airbase possibly.




Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (1/11/2018 3:45:21 AM)

Yeha its up to you, but by all means possible, try not to loose any division doing that ;)




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