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Darojax -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (2/20/2018 2:15:18 PM)

Yeah, one of the german commanders answered your question I think. You need the PBEM (Play By EMail) box checked! Welcome to the game.



Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (2/20/2018 2:41:04 PM)

Hey Mamluke, I wouldnt know much about Dropbox myself. Better ask Sparkleytits about it if box checked does not fix the problem.

Also as for the password, you will only be ask the password once the "PBEM" box is check and after attempting to open the save file in-game.



Mamluke -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (2/20/2018 5:54:49 PM)

Ha, ok problem solved, Telemecus showed me the way. did a quick look at the saved, I know I new here and I should never mess with others fronts, but I fell I should intervene in regards to Tula. the city still has all of it's Industry, 25 armaments and 2 H.Ind. I just did a calculation of the effective Industry we have left:
the doomed Industry of Moscow, Kalinin, Leningrad and Poltava adds up to 28 Armaments and 17 Heavy Industry that is beyond saving.

that means our effective Industry is 259 Armaments and 172 Heavy Industry

I take the post by Stelteck as a reference to how much Industry must be saved.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Stelteck

quote:

ORIGINAL: Grognard1812

262 Armament factories
178 Heavy Industry factories


From my experience you are still ok. Armament points needs are vastly overestimated by everyone, except in late 1941 for a brief period, you will never have enough men to use your armament point production. I think you can probably drop to 200, something like that.

Supply point (heavy industry) is another matter. As you save a lots of troops (and it was your plan), you will need a lots of supply points.
I did a game once with 180 HI saved and it was a little low. I had briefly a supply shortage end 1942. Fortunately the new HI production factor in 1943 solved it.
Try not too loose anymore HI. You can still drop a little AA (but of course the most you save the better).
You can drop production to save supply but it cost you tons of political point.

But your most important problem is to avoid sudden death defeat in my opinion.



in other words, I feel we are losing to much H.Industry in order to supply our future Red army.
I propose we give immediate priority for Heavy Industry, any that are at risk to the enemy should be evacuated at once and be given priority for transport, even above reinforcements for the Central front.

as for Tula, I propose to move 6 divisions to protect the approaches to Tula, 2 tank Div. 2 Cav. Div. and 2 Inf. Div, there is minimal risk encountering a motorize division in this area, at least for turn 13.

I request permission to move those divisions my self, at this moment, I didn't touch anything.

Also, I accept the job of Air Marshall. I won't give too much micromanagement to the Air force, But I will see to provide air supplies to the Moscow garrison as best as I can.



Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (2/20/2018 6:01:12 PM)

If you want to take charge of Factory Evac. Its all yours.

As for Tula, Its up to Darojax, but we already have a defensive plan going on around there. But like I said, its up to him. So no, do not move troops that are not under your control ( you have all troops in the South Area )

As for the air troops. Dont give them missions, just upgrade them, and move the HQs around if Needed, but each Front commander is responsible for his own area in terms of Airforces ( front commander gives the mission to their air force, air marshall provides those air force, upgrades them, repair them, changes leadership, etc )



Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (2/20/2018 6:02:17 PM)

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Mamluke -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (2/20/2018 6:10:13 PM)

this is my plan for the defense of Tula.

the 43rd Cav. Div by the Oka river will be the one to move to the most northern position.

[image][URL=http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/Mamlukethe1/media/WITE/Tula%20defense_zpsqdh0xdkf.jpg.html][IMG]http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b501/Mamlukethe1/WITE/Tula%20defense_zpsqdh0xdkf.jpg[/IMG][/URL][/image]




Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (2/20/2018 6:41:21 PM)

Dont worry too much about Tula though, there is already lots of troops there, but if Darojax wants to make some modification, he will be able to do so after your turn. Just make sure you take care of the Southern Front. Dont forget as well that every White units ( STAVKA assigned units ) is for you, so you can move them to any armies you want and put them in position.



Mamluke -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (2/20/2018 8:21:47 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Neogodhobo

Dont worry too much about Tula though, there is already lots of troops there, but if Darojax wants to make some modification, he will be able to do so after your turn. Just make sure you take care of the Southern Front. Dont forget as well that every White units ( STAVKA assigned units ) is for you, so you can move them to any armies you want and put them in position.


I'm afraid I must worry about Tula because most of the army is forming a line behind the city, if a German unit get's in contact with the city (regardless if it can storm the city or not) the Industry will cost double to evacuate. normal cost is 4800 * 25 = 120 000!!, considering that the Soviets, especial now with out Moscow and Leningrad get like what? 100K-120K rail points? the normal amount is already high, double that and boom, 240 000 points, if we wanted to save the Industry, we would waste all of our rail points just to save less then half.

that is why I stress that we protect the outskirts of Tula until we evacuated most of the armaments. if we want a competitive 1942, we should save as much as we can.

anyway, I have finish my turn. I spent some 6 Adm points on Transport aircraft, pity we don't have a single regiment. I was able to breach the southern encirclement in 2 places, thus isolating 3 panzer divisions and 1 motorize.

[image][URL=http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/Mamlukethe1/media/WITE/Sounthern%20turn%20%2012_zpsttrws49c.png.html][IMG]http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b501/Mamlukethe1/WITE/Sounthern%20turn%20%2012_zpsttrws49c.png[/IMG][/URL][/image]

if Darojax rejects my plan, then I guess I should put the save in the drop box right? it has the name, "South Done".

PS: I request that the leader of 9th Army at the Crimea be replaced with GM Kazakov, Mikhail. however, if Central command needs better leaders, my request can wait one more turn



Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (2/20/2018 9:14:03 PM)

Put the save in the box. We will wait for Dajorax to take a decision and he can do another turn according to his decision.

Alright I will grant that request, I will do it during my turn.



Darojax -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (2/20/2018 9:35:21 PM)

It's up to supreme command! I can delay the retreat, but then I will not be able to form the defensive line in time as ordered, at least the southern part of it.

Also, I am not very familiar with factory evacuation. If you have any detailed instructions (amount to be evacuated and what type of factories etc) that would be great.

Command, please let me know if I should defend Tula, for how long, or simply retreat to the previously designated defensive line.



Darojax -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (2/20/2018 9:44:54 PM)

On second thought may I recommend giving that order after the Fascists have made their move? It doesn't look like their forces are very strong in the Tula region, perhaps they will make only light advances there.



Mamluke -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (2/20/2018 9:52:07 PM)

OK, great that we can reach a compromise. I try to disrupt the line as little as possible.

the save game is in drop box.

in my humble opinion, if we could save at least 15 armaments, 15*4800 = 72000, I say it would be exceptable to abandon the city.

I used as much rail capacity as I could to eventuated all the H.ind in danger. Hope I was not out of line.

EDIT: BUT that would encour the risk that a German unit could get in to contact with the city!! my plan of defense is to avoid that as much as possible.

and why wouldn't the Germans advance without opposition? considering the prize.



Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (2/20/2018 10:14:42 PM)

The thing Mamluke is that even if the German push, I dont think we will be able to stop anything. They would just be encircled as it happened time and time again.
Tula is important yes, but Moscow , Leningrad, and every city that we tried to defend was important as well and we were crushed.

Let me a bit of time to decide what we will do about that.




Mamluke -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (2/20/2018 10:21:07 PM)

But sir. in the Tula case, its more a battle of Movement points rather then fire power. the Germans at the closest point, will have to cross a large river, so by the time they came close to the forest, the infantry could only do Hasty attacks

I'm counting on every mobile division being at work around Moscow. this plan is only for this turn, the city can be abandon in the next turn.



Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (2/20/2018 10:25:09 PM)

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Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (2/20/2018 10:31:33 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mamluke
this plan is only for this turn, the city can be abandon in the next turn.



Alright, the city will be defended, but only for this turn. Darojax can do his extra turn.

Darojax : Put in Action the Tula Defensive Plan and start retreating from there on the next turn.



Darojax -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (2/20/2018 10:33:34 PM)

But I already moved my units this turn?



Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (2/20/2018 10:35:56 PM)

The units in question can move into position set by the plan. They have the required movement point.



Mamluke -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (2/20/2018 10:51:16 PM)

excellent, I believe this will protect the Industry for little cost. I will have to do something similar for Voronezh, let's see if the cities of Yaroslavl, Ivanovo and Rebinsk (near the Rebinsk res.) can be protected for 2 more turns.)



Darojax -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (2/20/2018 10:54:22 PM)

Center turn done (again), and uploaded. Skilled Comrade-General Bagramyan and the 50th Army has been tasked with main defence of Tula. Commander Mamluke, I forgot to move the factories, could you do it?

[image]https://i.imgur.com/nCcyziD.png[/image]



Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (2/21/2018 12:00:44 AM)

I believe the factories were already moved.



Mamluke -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (2/21/2018 12:38:06 AM)

yes I moved all the factories I could. to move factories you need rail capacity, you would only have less then 3000 :)

looks like a solid line.

BTW, can we discus about giving me, let's say emergency powers over the air force, because of the pockets of Moscow, Leningrad and the South?, its just a temporary situation. I need full control of level bombers in order to perform some air resupply.

I might be able to supply at least the city of Moscow, perhaps Leningrad as well, but I need to move airbases and air units freely. basically I'm asking for all the commanders to not use the air force for ground support and to not move the airbase what so ever, (there will still be interception.) I just need some fighters to escort the air lift.



Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (2/21/2018 3:32:03 PM)

Marshall Darojax, the 10th Army commander, Golubev, was replaced with General-Major Galanin. He was in charge of the central defense of Moscow in your defensive line ( the blue ones ). And he had suffered to many defeats ( 37 ). At the same time, the support level of the 10th Army was augmented to 7 instead of 3, in order to help Galanin achieve his objective and protect the HQ. So you will be able to choose a few extra support units for the 10th Army HQ.

Marshall Mamluke : Emergency power over air turn for the next turn has been granted. Keep the pockets alive.



Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (2/21/2018 3:46:54 PM)

And the turn is in !! So... Im guessing we should meet back here in 3 days. Thats the time it takes the Germans, Also if we can try to hurry this up next turn, it would be great, just in order to accelerate things.

We will see how the new defensive line in the North and Central Front hold. If it does well, and we can hold ground until winter, I will start making some offensive plan. Our main goal should be to take Moscow and Leningrad back. I know its several turn before winter, but I wonder how much more the Germans will advance, if at all. They might want to consolidate defensive position to prepare for the mud/winter turns. While they will probably still push, I doubt they are going to try to take over the new defensive line. Unless they plan on taking the river and defending it for the winter.

Start building up forts as soon as you arrive on the new defensive line. And by that I mean the natural trenches that units do themselves. Put some Construction battalion to use in the area. We REALLY need to hold them there. If at all possible, adopt a deep defense strategy. Stack 2 or 3 division together in the front line, and have 1 division behind the stacks, and another behind that 1. I know we lost lots of troops and that might not be possible but at least try.

Reinforcement on the central front will keep arriving next turn. Its essential that you do not lose any more armies to encirclement.
Some reinforcement will also make its way to North and South, most likely, but not much, so dont count on it.



Darojax -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (2/21/2018 5:12:56 PM)

Yes comrade, sir! o7



Mamluke -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (2/21/2018 6:34:33 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Neogodhobo

Marshall Mamluke : Emergency power over air turn for the next turn has been granted. Keep the pockets alive.


Yes sir.

as Air Marshal, I get the next turn after supreme commander, right?

also I have an announcement! I create a Discord server just for us, 2by3 - Stavka

: https://discord.gg/r9tMg88

you can get Discord here : https://discordapp.com/

this way, we can communicate better, organize better and defeat the fascists faster!
this server is just for us. its mainly text but we can talk as well, we cal also upload images, so that's handy.

The Axis team invited us the their channel, I recommend it.



Darojax -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (2/21/2018 6:44:46 PM)

Discord topic has already been discussed and rejected by Supreme Command.



Mamluke -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (2/21/2018 8:08:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Darojax

Discord topic has already been discussed and rejected by Supreme Command.


was not my intention to bring up a old topic, just felt it was important.

well, the server is up there if anyone feels like giving it a try.



Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (2/21/2018 9:02:11 PM)

You guys can use it if you want, I just dont want to have anything to do with it personally. I dont see the point either since we can do everything here, that we could do on discord.

Yes, the axis team keeps trying to invite us over there, the swines [:@] !! Its probably some kind of stabbing in the back tactic they have to spy on us... [8|]



Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (2/21/2018 11:14:55 PM)

Alright Axis team already did Center and North so lets expect to be our turn by tomorow or the day after.



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