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thedoctorking -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (9/17/2017 12:04:20 AM)

No, my suggestion was that air base units that are attached to fronts are under the control of the player who has those fronts. The Supreme Commander controls the air bases that are assigned to STAVKA. The Supreme commander also controls which air regiments (i.e., actual air units with planes in them) are assigned to each air base. We can send air regiments back to national reserve and can ask each turn for new air regiments to be sent to us.

Also, the Supreme Commander would be responsible for allocating some AP to himself to build new air regiments each turn, which would go into national reserve and then he would allocate to whichever front he felt needed them most when their training/morale levels get high enough for them to be effective. The Supreme commander can also build new air base units and allocate them to fronts (and load them up with air regiments) when they are ready to go.



Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (9/17/2017 3:23:11 AM)

Oh I see, yeah sounds good to me for sure !



thedoctorking -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (9/18/2017 7:20:44 PM)

When are we going to start? I'm ready to get my butt kicked...

Edit: I see where there's an Axis turn in the Dropbox. Does that mean it is our turn?
And if so, what order should we go in? Do we have our own Dropbox and if so can I get added to it?



Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (9/19/2017 12:38:49 AM)

Yeah the game definitly started. Im not sure if the axis made their turn yet, I dont understand ANYTHING, from that dropbox thing -_-

But so far as orders, We should probably do Center first, and then North/South. As a lot will be dependent on the Center. Everyone okay with that ?

And as far as battle orders, just do as we planned. Someone will have to explain me how to do the dropbox thing so that I can enter the game so that I can deal with the air force.

Who is responsible for the industry again ? If we need to move anything on turn 1, now would be the time to step up.

As for AP. north didnt need any on turn 1, so we will share 20/20 for center and South and I will keep 10 AP to myself. Everything okay with all this ?

In the first few turns, you guys can improvise, historically, Stalin didnt have much authority on what was going on, communication were cut off and everything.

I gave you guys the base plan of defense. Go as much as you can with that but dont be afraid of doing your own little things. This is valid until further notice. Basically, we just want to survive the assault until the winter.



thedoctorking -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (9/19/2017 2:54:22 AM)

You can't move any industry until turn 3 or 4. So we will lose Minsk, Lvov, and Riga for sure. South can try to hold on to Odessa. Remember that you can't rail in or out of an enemy ZOC, so make sure that no Romanians get adjacent to Odessa.

We should have our own Dropbox folder and only upload the turn to the shared Dropbox when we're done with our turn. I think what you do is copy the game file from the Dropbox folder to the saved games file in your game folder. Then you can open it, run your moves, save it back to the Dropbox folder and inform the next player that it's their turn to go.



thedoctorking -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (9/19/2017 3:54:03 AM)

So I just opened up what was in the Dropbox file and it is still at the beginning of the Axis turn. Presumably they are making their turn and will copy over when they get done.

But the mechanism was correct. You copy the file from the Dropbox folder to your save game folder (on my machine it is C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Gary Grigsby's War in the East\Dat\save). Then you can open it. It asked me for a password but when I clicked "X" it opened the file (presumably, they haven't chosen one and we shouldn't either, I guess). Then I was looking at the Axis position, which I refrained from inspecting too closely other than to note that they hadn't made any moves.



WingedIncubus -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (9/19/2017 12:52:41 PM)


To encourage our troops in wait for the Fascist Horde

[;)]



Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (9/19/2017 2:29:19 PM)

yeah but WHERE is that dropbox ?!? How do I join it ??


And Drakken, nice video haha. I use to listen to the Red Army Choir ( I dont think that song on the video is part of the Red Army choir though ) every morning when I had a "slave" job. It would motivate me to go to work.



WingedIncubus -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (9/19/2017 3:45:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thedoctorking
But the mechanism was correct. You copy the file from the Dropbox folder to your save game folder (on my machine it is C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Gary Grigsby's War in the East\Dat\save). Then you can open it. It asked me for a password but when I clicked "X" it opened the file (presumably, they haven't chosen one and we shouldn't either, I guess). Then I was looking at the Axis position, which I refrained from inspecting too closely other than to note that they hadn't made any moves.


Wait until their turn is done. I decided to set a password for this very reason, for security of information.

The Soviet player has to set the password for access when they end their turn and send us back the file. It was just sent by PM to you guys.



WingedIncubus -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (9/19/2017 3:49:08 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Neogodhobo

yeah but WHERE is that dropbox ?!? How do I join it ??


And Drakken, nice video haha. I use to listen to the Red Army Choir ( I dont think that song on the video is part of the Red Army choir though ) every morning when I had a "slave" job. It would motivate me to go to work.



What is your Dropbox account name? I will check to make sure you have access.

It comes from the 1985 Soviet movie "The Battle of Moscow". They are actors, but in voice-over it is sung by singers of Red Army Choir.

It is sure better for morale than blocking battalions in our backs. [:'(]



Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (9/19/2017 4:26:38 PM)

I dont know whats my dropbox name -_- Uugh god I hate this dropbox thing... my email on it is wildortiz@outlook.com does that help ?



thedoctorking -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (9/19/2017 5:05:37 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Drakken


To encourage our troops in wait for the Fascist Horde

[;)]

Cute!

Why are the Germans driving JS-2's? And how are they getting kills on Tigers with those 37 or 45mm popguns? From the front?



Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (9/19/2017 8:09:35 PM)

Alright the enemy will be done with their turn in about an hour. So get ready guys, and remember the STAVKA defense plan. Lets try to have a coordinated defense. But if all else fails, retreat East.



thedoctorking -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (9/19/2017 9:23:14 PM)

So we will be using the file in the common Dropbox for our turns? And the order is Supreme Commander - Central - South - North?

I should be able to do my turn this evening if you guys are done.



Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (9/20/2017 12:36:57 AM)

yeah I still gotta figure out the dropbox thing but the order is right. No hurry, Southern Commander will be ready to do his turn by next week.



Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (9/20/2017 12:42:45 AM)

OKay I received the invitation, I got the save file.



WingedIncubus -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (9/20/2017 1:27:05 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Neogodhobo

OKay I received the invitation, I got the save file.


Perfect, let me know when you are ready for me to take over as Central.

We would also appreaciate if STAVKA makes an overview of the situation on the front and what immediate resources are available to us.



thedoctorking -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (9/20/2017 3:22:19 AM)

Problem: I can't seem to log in as the Soviet player, at least into the game that says "Soviet password selected." I get in as the Axis player and see Axis units still sitting along the frontier obviously not having moved.



Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (9/20/2017 7:20:11 PM)

Alright. Center, be ready to do your turn.


AP Allocation turn 1 :

Stalin: 10
North: /
Center: 20
South: 20



AIR FORCES AVAILABLE TO BE REQUESTED :

AIRFORCES STAVKA

Long range air command:

1 BAK Air Command (1/5)
40 DBAD Air base

148 long range Bombers
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
3 BAK Air command (9/5)
56 IAD Air base

0 aircraft
___________
3 BAK Air command ( 1/5)
52 DBAD Air base

172 Long range bombers
___________
3 BAK Air command (6/5)
61 IAD air base

0 aircrat
___________
3 BAK Air command (3/5)
42 DBAD Air base

110 Long range aircraft
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

OSNAZ Air base

70 long range bombers
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
2 BAK Air Command
48 DBAD Air base

139 long range aircraft
___________
35 DBAD Air base
2 BAK Air command (13/5)

129 long range bombers
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
22 DBAD Air base
4 BAK Air command (1/5)

179 Long range Bombers
___________________
50 DBAD Air base
4 BAK Air command ( 23/5 )

176 long range bombers
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
18 DBAD Air base

54 long range bombers
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++







Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (9/20/2017 7:20:41 PM)

INFORMATION ABOUT THE FIRST TURN :


In the north,
General Polkovnik F. Kuznetsov from the Northwest Front and General Maior Aviatsii A. Ionov are trapped in Riga. Slim chances of survival
General Maior I. Nikolaev of the 10th Rifle corps is trap near Telsiai, no chances of survival.
General Maior I. Korovnikov of the 12th Mechanized Division is trap near Siauliai, no chances of survival
General Maior M. Shumilov of the 11th Rifle Corps is trap at Jelgava, slim chances of survival


In the Center
General Leitenant V. Kuznetsov of 3rd Army.
General Maior A. Garnov of 5th Rifle Corps
General Maior P. Akhlyustin of 13th Mechanized Corps
General Maior I. Nikitin of 6th Cavalry corps
General Maior K. Golubev of 10th Army
General Maior T. Batsanov of 1st Rifle Corps
General Maior D. Mostovenko of 11th Mechanized Corps
General Maior S. Oborin of 14th Mechanized Corps
General Maior E. Egorov of 4th Rifle Corps.

Have all been encircled in the Minsk Pocket. No chances of Survival

General Armii D. Pavlov of Western Front is in danger of being encircled


In the South

General Leitenant I. Muzychenko of 6th Army
General Leitenant D. Ryabyshev of 8th Mechanized Corps
General Maior A. Vlasov of 4th Mechanized Corps
General Maior I. Karpezo of 15th Mechanized Corps
General Maior I. Alekseev of 6th Rifle Corps
General Maior F. Kamkov of 5th Cavalry Corps

Have all been encircled in the Tarnopov pocket, slim changes of survival.



LOSSES :

Men : 287,228 ( 54,500 KIA / 97,618 WIA /135,110 POW )
Guns: 2946
AFV: 1,444
SP and AC : 412
Aicraft : 4,059

Destroyed Divisions :

20th Tank Div.
43rd Tank Div.
205th Motorized Div.
90th Rifle Div.



Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (9/20/2017 7:21:19 PM)

Center : Might want to change the orders to retreat into the marshes.



Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (9/20/2017 7:21:54 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: thedoctorking

Problem: I can't seem to log in as the Soviet player, at least into the game that says "Soviet password selected." I get in as the Axis player and see Axis units still sitting along the frontier obviously not having moved.



Maybe Drakken can help you out with that



Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (9/20/2017 7:55:53 PM)

NKO Directive has been sent in the AAR thread of the forum. Regard it as purely for fun and do not do anything that it says ;)



thedoctorking -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (9/20/2017 9:23:09 PM)

I think we will get the generals back. I hope so anyway since some of those guys are pretty good. Unless the Cheka decides to shoot them.



thedoctorking -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (9/21/2017 2:46:33 AM)

The HQ's in Riga can escape by sea, btw. Nice to have control of the Baltic for a change (too many games of World in Flames...)

You should be able to slip at least some of those guys around Tarnopol out. There appears to be only one German armored div in your way.

Good luck to the Western Front guys in northern Belarus, though.

Germans in RL are a hell of a lot more aggressive than the AI.



Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (9/21/2017 4:26:06 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: thedoctorking

Germans in RL are a hell of a lot more aggressive than the AI.



Yes, wich will ultimately lead to their Doom

[img]https://i.imgur.com/wiQYyPY.jpg[/img]



WingedIncubus -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (9/21/2017 4:36:40 AM)

To: Chief of Staff Neogodhobo, STAVKA, Moscow
From: General of the Army Drakken, Central Front, Smolensk

June 24th, 1941

I. Reports confirm that our forward defences North of the Pripyat Marshes have been completely encircled: The Fascists have created a tight, 200 km-wide pocket in the Bialystok area, plus a smaller pocket around the town of Lida.

II. Troops in the Lida pocket were able to link up with our supply lines along the Shara river, and even break the isolation of Vilnius in the North. However, they were not able to find a usable road or railway to join the rest of Central Front, so their chances to escape East are almost nil. At most they are to tie German units down in a glorious sacrifice for preserving the Soviet people.

III. The Byalistok pocket has feverishly attempted to break the pocket linking up with the Lida troops, but was barely contained by a tread. Our orders to them is to spread in the woods, marshes, etc. and stand there killing as many Fascists as possible, then scatter to form partisan troops.

IV. The enemy has reached as far as Smolevitchi, 40 km passed Minsk by the North. The enemy was not able to close the pocket behind Minsk, which is still holding with paths to escape the city. However, they control the vicinities of the city, and only 100th Rifle Division can escape the city far enough to maybe escape utter destruction. We request permission to evacuate it at once, to help setup the first line of defence as per the approved plan, or they are ordered to hold the city at all costs.

V. German forward elements have made a significant thrust through the Prypiat marshes all the way until Luninets. All railroads passing through Luninets are unusable due to enemy presence. We have no choice but to attempt to escape East through the Lyuban woods, except those Divisions, Corps, and HQs East in the marshes than can still use railroads.

VI. General of the Army Dimitrii Pavlov will be sacked. We request that General of the Army Georgii Zhukov be given command of Western Front.

VII. Vitebsk is currently not under immediate threat. We recommend Fortified Regions to be built in Orsha or Mogilev, to help build defensive grounds controlling the access to the Dnepr. We are amenable, however, to build on Vitebsk instead if proper support units are allocated there.

Greetings to comrade Stalin,

General of the Army Drakken, Ground Commander, Central Front



Neogodhobo -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (9/21/2017 6:43:19 AM)

To: General Armii Drakken
From : Stavka Glavnogo Komandovaniya
June 24th, 1941

Commander,

This report of yours is unbelievable !! You are to arrest General Armii D. Pavlov from Western Front HQ and bring me his head. What is all this non sense. Do we have armies ready to fight, or a bunch of peasants ? Those are fine soldiers, not conscript Commander, see to it that you save as much as possible.

At your request, I will send myself to your disposal to replace Pavlov until we can put things back into order.

Either Morsha or Mogilev is up to you, you have operational and tactical freedom to meet with your objectives of the defense plan.

Dont disappoint me General, the next letter I want from you better be good news. Comrade Stalin does not look too happy.


Signed:
Zhukov
Timoshenko
Molotov
Voroshilov
Budyonny
Kuznetsov


(PS : Your letter is addressed to STAVKA on the 22nd June 1941, but STAVKA was created on the 23rd June... Also, Zhukov was part of STAVKA. Il let this one go though.... [8|] ) [:D]



WingedIncubus -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (9/22/2017 12:29:43 AM)

To: Chief of Staff Neogodhobo, STAVKA, Moscow
From: General of the Army Drakken, Central Front, Smolensk

June 27th, 1941


We are horrified to report to STAVKA and Comrade Stalin only 12 Divisions and 5 Corps HQs were able to reach our first planned defensive line. This constitues 80% of what still remains available to move towards the Dnepr: 145th is in the marshes by Lyuban, 100th has been ordered to exit Minsk and try their best to join the line with all close roadlines threatened by the Germans, while 108th is effectively trapped inside the city and were ordered to hold at all cost to delay the Germans there.

Meanwhile, trapped in Minsk, the rest of Western Front HQ was ordered to relocate by any means necessary and rejoin outside the city. It is now located in Borisov, where for his abject incompetence General Pavlov was personally delivered his dishonorable discharge... from my personal sidearm to his face. We received notice by telegram that General Zhukov is due to arrive today in Mogilev.

Our redeployment of what remains of Western Front is almost complete. Most able units were ordered to go man the landbridge between the Dvina and the Dnepr to immediately start building defenses, plus covering the Upper Dnepr in the sector buy a fortified region in Orsha, manned with sappers, howitzers, and artillery support units to support its defence.

This leaves the Dnper line completely empty between Mogilev and Gomel. Were the Germans to find out that the way to the Dnepr is clear from Minsk it is clear they will immediately direct their available tanks passed Zhlobin - and the Dnepr.

The only troops in vicinity who seems to be able to move and reinforce are Orel's Military District 23rd Mechanised Corps and 222nd Rifle Division, situated in Voronezh and Bryansk. We request STAVKA to order General-Lieutenant Remezov their immediate redeployement to the Dnepr behind Zhlobin, to cover along the river until the neighboring Armies get activated.

(Note: I have taken the liberty to move them myself so that it does not slow down the turn needlessly. If you look at the map it is obvious that they are the only troops with MPs to spend closest to the front, and if not Zhlobin is completely empty. It will remain under Orel MD Command however).

We will NOT request the neighboring STAVKA Armies around Vitebsk, Gomel, Mogilev, and Krichev just yet. Central Front is currently overburdened and we need to establish proper order of battle with what we have. Plus, all those armies are unable to move. We will wait until they get themselves in order of battle in the next few days before discussing options.

Please assure Comrade Stalin of our utmost dedication to the defense of the Motherland. Malingerers, defeatists, and cowards are dealt with mercilessly. Any unwillingness to make the ultimate sacrifice to defend our homes, our families, and the our proletarian, collectivist way of life is absolutely not tolerated. Penalties for expressing such unwillingness, even in body language, are severe.

General of the Army Drakken, Ground Commander, Central Front

(Note: Central is done, file is in the Dropbox).

https://i.imgur.com/9BPsnxy.png



thedoctorking -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (9/22/2017 2:12:50 AM)

No point in holding on to Minsk, I'd say. Get back behind the Berezina.



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