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Psych0 -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (10/6/2017 4:13:25 AM)

I'm fine for this weekend. Drking, just ping me as soon as you've done your turn so I can start mine.

Drakken, instead of spending AP to transfer 5A to you, should I just use it to defend the Dnepr from Gomel to Mogilev? We'd have to see the turn first but that might be more efficient?

By the way Drakken, congrats on 10 years on the Matrix Forum! I just noticed in 10/3/2007 in your handle on the left.



wallas -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (10/6/2017 10:30:41 PM)

10 years wtg Drakken now you need to learn how to be a super lurker



thedoctorking -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (10/7/2017 4:45:41 AM)

A few questions for our air marshal:

- Should we be doing our own recon missions or are you doing them for us?
- Would you be so kind as to bomb the dickens out of every armored division you see? Also their rail head in the north if you can figure out where it is.
- If you are retreating your air units, please leave one in the vicinity of my front line with some fighters on it so it can cover my movement. I'll either move it for you after I'm done with my guys to wherever you want it or pass the turn back to you.

Thanks



thedoctorking -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (10/7/2017 4:50:38 AM)

Dear STAVKA,

It would be nice if I could have a better Front commander for Northwest Front. I note that Koniev is the commander of North Caucasus Front. I know it's a lot of AP so I'm not insisting. Maybe when we get a big influx of AP later on.



WingedIncubus -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (10/7/2017 6:35:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thedoctorking

Dear STAVKA,

It would be nice if I could have a better Front commander for Northwest Front. I note that Koniev is the commander of North Caucasus Front. I know it's a lot of AP so I'm not insisting. Maybe when we get a big influx of AP later on.


Granted.



wallas -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (10/7/2017 7:54:02 PM)

When soviet logistics is done will the file say done ? and I assume there will be new turn orders or do we execute last instructions again ?



WingedIncubus -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (10/7/2017 10:31:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: wallas

When soviet logistics is done will the file say done ? and I assume there will be new turn orders or do we execute last instructions again ?


Well damned, I just noticed that the turn is ready for the Soviets since yesterday. [:o]



WingedIncubus -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (10/8/2017 6:06:12 AM)

From: Deputy Chief of Staff Drakken, STAVKA, Smolensk
To: General of the Army thedoctorking, Northern Front; General of the Army psych0, Southern Front; General of the Air Force wallas, VVS Air Commander

July 3rd, 1941

Situation critical in Southern Sector. the Nazi Panzer Group South has veered southward, completely overrunning Proskurov. This has created a huge pocket surrounding half of standing divisions of Southwestern Front, plus a small part of Southern Front that cover the Carpathian frontier.

Evacuate everything at once toward the Dnepr river, making a retreat in step to slow down the Fascists while you build your Main Line of Resistance along the Dnepr. Your first objective is to preserve your army. The aim is not make a stand at those temporary lines, but to buy time as you bring reinforcements to the Dnepr and build your forts.

The Dnepr, however is to be held and fought for. Make the Fascists pay in blood for every meter they pass over the River!

I requested Comrade Stalin to send Commissar Nikita Khrushchev to assist you - and ensure you do not fail in your mission. He will also bring your confidential mapplan below approved by STAVKA, for your eyes only.

Southern Front Plan



In the North, Panzer Divisions are bottled inside the swamp area north of Peipus Lake, while the enemy movements are unknown in front of Pskov. Start building a line of defence behind the Luga River with reinforcements, while manning the Narva line with sufficient troops to keep the line strong.

Do not forget to put a good division with a lot of construction value in Pavlovo, since this the last line of defence for Osinovets. This is critical: If Osivonets is lost, Leningrad is lost.

On your request for GM Ivan Konev, STAVKA has overruled my decision and denied your request. We submit, instead, to send Marshall Semyon Timochenko. OR, you can wait until Comrade Stalin is in a better mood to resubmit your request. (OOC: Konev is currently unavailable to be assigned from North Caucasus. He should be later).



In the Centre, the whole line is holding firm, even in the landbridge. Next to no movement from the Fascist armoured and motorized divisions, except a small skirmish that has cleared the northern road to Vitebsk. Reclaim at once to prevent easy movement toward the city.

Minsk is still holding. This, together with the dwindling pockets being liquidated by the Nazis, assuredly hinders their supply lines to the Centre. [&o]



Instruction for Air Command: Recon in priority in the area in front of Pskov and up in Estonia. We need to know what forces are committed for Pskov, so that General of the Army thedoctorking may evaluate what strength he should leave to defend Pskov.




WingedIncubus -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (10/8/2017 6:23:53 AM)

AP Available: 50

North: 20
Centre: 20
South: 10


Cap available: 131,290

North: 10,000
Centre: 10,000
South: 30,000
Reserve: 10,000

Evacuation : 71,290

Cap allocation ration is to be strictly respected, because we need to start evacuating industries and factories to the Urals.

DO NOT USE MORE THAN YOU NEED. Tired men are replacable; industries and factories are not.

If you really, really need more Cap, especially in the South, please request a finite lump number for my approval.



WingedIncubus -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (10/8/2017 6:30:10 AM)

Turn is on Dropbox for wallas to make his move as Air Commander.

Remember the proper turn order:

1. SupCom
2. AirCom
3. Centre
4. North
5. South
6. SupCom (Evac + Support units)



WingedIncubus -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (10/8/2017 6:31:38 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: wallas

10 years wtg Drakken now you need to learn how to be a super lurker


Most of the time, I was not even active on the forum anyway. I am, in fact, a super lurker [:'(]



wallas -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (10/8/2017 2:57:00 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Drakken

AP Available: 50

North: 20
Centre: 20
South: 10



Drakken do not forget about air for AP we need them to build new air regiments, replace incompetent commanders, build regiments, disband etc etc. For example air transport regiments we have one in the field but enough in reserve to build a few more, rinse and repeat with mig 3 etc etc.



thedoctorking -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (10/8/2017 4:15:57 PM)

I don't know if we can build new air regiments yet, I think that starts turn 5 or so, but I agree that air command should get some AP. We should be able to start moving factories soon.

BTW, on rail moves of factories, we must move the tank factories out of Leningrad as soon as we can. Those factories are crucial for our rebound capacity in 1942. If the south is collapsing we can make Dnepropetrovsk and such a priority for a turn or two but let's not let Leningrad get cut off with those factories still inside.



thedoctorking -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (10/9/2017 4:02:16 PM)

Looking at the private messages, I see that there's an issue in another multi-player game with a player from one team looking in at the other side's forum. If you wanted to do it as a cheat, you could easily open the forums without logging in and look at it as "guest", so I don't think that the obvious visit in the other game was intentional cheating.

I should say that I entered our opponents' room by mistake a week or so ago, looking for insight from a different game as to potential German lines of play, realized my mistake, and navigated away to a different forum. Nobody seems to have noticed, or they realized I was only there for a minute or less and that the intrusion was unintentional. I think we have to give our opponents the same sort of benefit of the doubt. If they suddenly develop supernatural insight into our strategies, then I might reconsider but for now we should assume our opponents are honorable people who want to have fun playing the game.



wallas -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (10/9/2017 5:39:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thedoctorking

I agree that air command should get some AP. We should be able to start moving factories soon.

BTW, on rail moves of factories, we must move the tank factories out of Leningrad as soon as we can. Those factories are crucial for our rebound capacity in 1942. If the south is collapsing we can make Dnepropetrovsk and such a priority for a turn or two but let's not let Leningrad get cut off with those factories still inside.


My thoughts on this is spend the rail moving vehicle and armaments then heavy industry. As for tanks, planes, armoured cars, etc just move one unit and we wait for them re replenish. Slower yes but long term more effective I think. If we stall the axis scum with our superior soldiers then assign excess rail to this endeavour. Supreme command I would rather you move everyone of my air factories at 1 unit then loose any !



wallas -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (10/9/2017 5:45:19 PM)

South commander I air supplied as much supply as possible onto your 6th army headquarters in the south pocket. Sorry no Li-2 air transports to transport fuel. I manually directed all air recon as per supreme commanders requests. Please be advised many bomber units have been sent to reserve for reorganization. Please also be advised that Moscow air command will be getting my focus over the coming turns. Supreme commander since I have not received any AP I would suggest with your AP you disband the Baltic air command HQ and any SAD HQ to save cartage.



WingedIncubus -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (10/9/2017 7:22:23 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: wallas

South commander I air supplied as much supply as possible onto your 6th army headquarters in the south pocket. Sorry no Li-2 air transports to transport fuel. I manually directed all air recon as per supreme commanders requests. Please be advised many bomber units have been sent to reserve for reorganization. Please also be advised that Moscow air command will be getting my focus over the coming turns. Supreme commander since I have not received any AP I would suggest with your AP your disband the Baltic air command HQ and any SAD HQ to save cartage.


Suggestion received, I will take a look into this later today.

Centre will be done by tonight.



WingedIncubus -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (10/9/2017 8:45:06 PM)

Unfortunately, I do not possess remnant troops in the pocket that are close enough from Vilnius to cut their remaining supply line. This means that the Centre can be supplied only by the Konigsberg-Kaunas-Vilnius railroad line. Let us hope it will clog their unconverted railroad line and still hurt their troops' supply and fuel. [:(]

Supply Line


This means that it will get violent in the Centre next turn. However, it will be T4 and they haven't event crossed the Dvina yet, so their 2-turn starting impetus is gone and we have bought precious time here.

Most of my strong points are around or over 20 Defense CV, so those will have to be Deliberate-Attacked to be displaced. Smolensk, meanwhile, is a rock.

I have brought Divisions from the rear to plug the remaining holes and begin building the Smolensk's MLR near Demidov. Meanwhile The bulk of the Moscow PM divisions are building forts in front of Moscow.

Purkaev is given command of 31st Army. Lukin in 16th Army will be next to be fired, if there remains enough AP.

I decided that Gomel itself is too vulnerable to be encircled if the Germains pierces through Zlobin. I have thus retreated the stronghold behind the river.

I won't hide that I am scared to death of a HQBU here. Even if they had next to no supply next turn, I do not know if it influences anything.


Centre situation

Moscow T3


Centre Turn is done and on Dropbox



WingedIncubus -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (10/9/2017 11:43:06 PM)

So, for Evac:

- 1 point of each 'named' factory from Leningrad, Moscow, Voronezh (In fact, I would move to have all of the IL2 factories evacuated from Voronezh, since they are producing Sturmoviks right now, most of our air regiments are in reserve anyway, and they'll need time to get set up).
- All Vehicles from Leningrad
- Armamaent and HI, but starting from behind the Bryansk line, because they have the higher concentrations of industries there, and we will need time to safeguard them all.
- If Cap can be spared, Gomel will be evacuated. I leave nothing to the Krauts.



Psych0 -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (10/10/2017 6:12:19 PM)

Re evac; why wouldn't we evac from nearest the front. Try and give the Germans nothing, nada, zip, zilch. Leningrad, Moscow and Voronezh we have plenty time for. The ones most at risk at the moment are Odessa, Kirovograd and Gomel. With our remaining rail cap we can evac all A & HI. Maybe leave some A behind in Gomel as I need to rail back a couple divs from the far south near Rumania.



wallas -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (10/10/2017 7:14:45 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thedoctorking

I don't know if we can build new air regiments yet, I think that starts turn 5 or so, but I agree that air command should get some AP.



For one admin point I can convert an exiting regiment



wallas -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (10/10/2017 10:16:38 PM)

Regarding Para divisions I do plan on using them for air drops in game but if I was a front commander I would not want these divisions in my front if I was not in control of them do to command point restrictions. What do you commanders think would be best ? leave them in the fronts they are in or move them to a front such as the far east or trans caucus front where they will not impact your command limits ? The problem with moving them would be the expense in command points.



thedoctorking -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (10/11/2017 5:57:21 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Psych0

Re evac; why wouldn't we evac from nearest the front. Try and give the Germans nothing, nada, zip, zilch. Leningrad, Moscow and Voronezh we have plenty time for. The ones most at risk at the moment are Odessa, Kirovograd and Gomel. With our remaining rail cap we can evac all A & HI. Maybe leave some A behind in Gomel as I need to rail back a couple divs from the far south near Rumania.


Leningrad looks vulnerable right now. I don't want the NKVD to shoot me for defeatism but I still think it's a good idea to get those AFV factories out of there.



thedoctorking -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (10/11/2017 6:30:11 AM)

Sorry, here everybody's been waiting on me and I was thinking that South needed to go first. My turn is up now.

On factory evacuation: I'd do Mogliev right now because we're about to lose it.

There is essentially no defense in front of Velikie Luki. There needs to be an army in there. I'm noting the presence of lots of STAVKA armies to the south and east of my position, including some powerful units.
Also, there's quite a mix of fronts and STAVKA units at the front in the center. Is this intentional? And I thought my front was mixed-up.
And finally, comrade Air Commander, could you bomb the heck out of those tank divisions in the swamp in front of my position north of Pskov? The more damage you can do in terms of reducing their movement points the better chance we have of not losing Leningrad before the tank factories can be evacuated.



Psych0 -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (10/11/2017 12:40:52 PM)

Don't evac Mogilev. It costs double as Germans are next to it. We can evac twice as much from elsewhere.

Let's spend absolute minimum rail cap for units, only if really really needed.

Re VL, why wouldn't we just let them have it? If Centre and North are not in a position to defend it then we just have to make sure they can't outflank us. Personally I would fall back and give them scorched earth. Something I should have done myself in the South last turn! Bonus though that I will have a 40+CV stack in the rough right on the rail line they want to convert next turn. Please keep air supplying that Wallas!!

I can do my turn tonight after drking. Salut!



Psych0 -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (10/11/2017 12:44:05 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: thedoctorking


quote:

ORIGINAL: Psych0

Re evac; why wouldn't we evac from nearest the front. Try and give the Germans nothing, nada, zip, zilch. Leningrad, Moscow and Voronezh we have plenty time for. The ones most at risk at the moment are Odessa, Kirovograd and Gomel. With our remaining rail cap we can evac all A & HI. Maybe leave some A behind in Gomel as I need to rail back a couple divs from the far south near Rumania.


Leningrad looks vulnerable right now. I don't want the NKVD to shoot me for defeatism but I still think it's a good idea to get those AFV factories out of there.


Agree with vulnerable. Falling back from Pskov-Velikaya-Sinyaya to Luga line should fix that for 2 turns at least right? Then next turn we could spend most of rail cap on evac on Leningrad.



Psych0 -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (10/11/2017 12:48:02 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: wallas

Regarding Para divisions I do plan on using them for air drops in game but if I was a front commander I would not want these divisions in my front if I was not in control of them do to command point restrictions. What do you commanders think would be best ? leave them in the fronts they are in or move them to a front such as the far east or trans caucus front where they will not impact your command limits ? The problem with moving them would be the expense in command points.


I'd leave it as is for now. I would like to move them though as - while we're retreating - they are perfect screens to soak up MP before panzers hit defensive lines.



thedoctorking -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (10/11/2017 4:25:15 PM)

My policy is generally to leave para brigades in the second line to slow breakthroughs. Also, if para corps hq's can be assigned some artillery and AT guns, they can become useful normal infantry corps HQ's, extending the command reach of armies. And since they don't vanish in October, they keep on being useful in this role going forward. In the winter, we will get a whole bunch of new airborne guys (though they are too low experience at first to actually get on a plane). If I had my way, I'd prefer to move the para units in my fronts myself unless the air commander lets me know he's planning an airborne operation and would like specific units left for him.

Were you all aware that army HQ's have to be within 5 of corps HQ's in order to support them with artillery, sappers, etc.? I just realized this last night.



wallas -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (10/11/2017 4:50:05 PM)

The parachute division belong to air command and only I will be moving them. My concern was more about them taking up your front command points, but based on your comments you guys are fine with that, so thank you for the answer. Based on my actions it is pretty obvious I am not risking them at all and will keep moving them back. Be advised they will end up on near there respective front HQ on air bases. Going forward if any of you are planning an offensive private message me turns in advance if you want para support, and I will try to accommodate/support. It takes a special kind of soviet soldier to jump from the wings of a TB-3. I will not waste highly trained elite offensive soldiers in trivial defensive screens risking overrun and annihilation that is the job of the mighty Soviet conscript.



Psych0 -> RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. (10/11/2017 5:48:03 PM)

South done and used next to no rail cap to leave it all for evac. Gomel is unlikely to fall next turn so I propose evac of Kirovograd, Odessa and Nikolaev. Then next turn all for Leningrad, Gomel and Krivoy Rog. Kiev probably after that. Or maybe I'm saying that I'd be happy to volunteer to take evac responsibility :)

Wallas, respectfully request those paras near Krivoy Rog to cover D and Z towns until their industry has been evacuated.

I left a separate save file with proposed factories moved (and even some M50 & AC from Leningrad to use the remaining 2700 rail cap). If you want to use that file Drakken, feel free. Odessa and Kirovograd are empty and Nikolaev partially, again if you like the proposed evac executed.



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