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HardLuckYetAgain -> VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (1/27/2018 2:04:33 PM)

This is the 2nd game between M60 and myself, the previous game having ended on turn 9. I have no "Illusions of Grandeur" that this game is going to be anywhere close to the same as the previous game. M60 is a formidable opponent and I am both looking forward to the match and dreading it at the same time.

Here is the setup at the moment for the match;

* Bitter End - M60 wants to play the Bitter End campaign and it is fine by me but the sudden death rules will still be in place if I by chance am able to achieve such a feat. Automatic Victory condition that any time in 1941 that the German control Leningrad, Moscow, Rostov, and Vorzonezh the game immediately ends in German Victory

* Better CV M60 snuck this one in too. I don't like it but /shrug

* No Random weather

* No Para's

* No naval invasions until 42 and none past Sevstapol if German Occupied

* Full Blizzard

* Patch Version 1.11.01 . (On edit corrected this to the correct patch version)



STEF78 -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (1/27/2018 2:12:32 PM)

I will follow this AAR!

No +1 I suppose?




smokindave34 -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (1/27/2018 2:15:16 PM)

Did you agree to the house rule concerning leader changes? I thought this was a very interesting proposal.

Good luck to both - should be an excellent matchup!



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (1/27/2018 2:18:57 PM)


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Did you agree to the house rule concerning leader changes? I thought this was a very interesting proposal.

Good luck to both - should be an excellent matchup!


No we didn't. Just went with a straight up game. I have a plethora of ideas but they normally never hit the track running ;(



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (1/27/2018 2:19:49 PM)

Will be a little bit for substance in the thread. First gotta get my old grey matter working as a German again. Been over 6 months since I set foot on this side of the fence and getting electrical input to old brain cells is tedious. So I will be practicing my opening & pulling out my notebook with my plethora of notes in it. Not to mention there will be a delay in my postings otherwise I might end up in one of those SS Death Camps.... (Oh crap did I say that out loud) I mean I might end up in one of those holiday spas for relocated people of Europe.



lastkozak -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (1/27/2018 2:21:49 PM)

Intriguing indeed! Thought you preferred Soviets Hardluck?



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (1/27/2018 2:33:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: lastkozak

Intriguing indeed! Thought you preferred Soviets Hardluck?


I have dabbled with the Soviets off and on for the past year and half (like less than 25 GC games overall in my career of WITE 1.0). I have played the Germans the most & am pretty familiar with them. I'm not that good of a German player but I can get the job done.



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (1/27/2018 2:34:14 PM)


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Intriguing indeed! Thought you preferred Soviets Hardluck?


I have dabbled with the Soviets off and on for the past year and half (like less than 25 GC games overall in my career of WITE 1.0). I have played the Germans the most & am pretty familiar with them. I'm not that good of a German player but I can get the job done.


So something like 95% of my games have been as Germany if that gives you an idea LastKozak :)



Telemecus -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (1/27/2018 2:46:12 PM)

+1 subscribed

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I'm not that good of a German player but I can get the job done.


Is that like Usain Bolt is not a very good runner?



Stelteck -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (1/27/2018 4:06:45 PM)

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+1 subscribed

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
I'm not that good of a German player but I can get the job done.


Is that like Usain Bolt is not a very good runner?


[&o][&o][&o][:D]



STEF78 -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (1/27/2018 4:09:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

.../... I'm not that good of a German player but I can get the job done.

If you're not that good, I'm an absolute beginner [:D][:D]



lastkozak -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (1/27/2018 4:24:39 PM)

But Hardluck knows something we do not. He knows who he played, how good they were, and how much of his success was due to exploiting a mistake made by his opponent.

That all said, modesty is the best counter intelligence!

If I thought somebody was not a great player, I would probably take more chances, or rush through the turn more often than not. But if it were a good player, I would be making a grave mistake with that approach.



SparkleyTits -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (1/27/2018 4:31:57 PM)

Good luck!



ericv -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (1/28/2018 6:55:37 PM)

Good luck and have fun!



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (1/29/2018 1:57:53 AM)

So it begins I normally PM/email my opponent the 1st casualty of the war when playing Germany. But since there is an AAR I will post it here. Normally I shoot down a Soviet but this time that is not the case. The first casualty is a Rumanian. BAD OMEN! This does not bode well, time to get out the chicken bones and voodoo to reverse this bad luck.

[image]local://upfiles/53556/8518FD60F518412BA67299EE265626E8.jpg[/image]



ledo -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (1/29/2018 2:16:03 AM)

I don't know if this can be maintained. At the rate you're losing recon planes you're going to have a serious shortage within weeks, even with the plentiful supply Germany has. I mean I'm doing a bit of extrapolation here, but I'd say Soviet victory early 1943.



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (1/29/2018 2:23:35 AM)


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I don't know if this can be maintained. At the rate you're losing recon planes you're going to have a serious shortage within weeks, even with the plentiful supply Germany has. I mean I'm doing a bit of extrapolation here, but I'd say Soviet victory early 1943.


Soviets WIN!!!! Thats it, game over!!!



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (1/29/2018 2:27:34 AM)

Rumanian front Air loses so far. Rumanian Tact bombers sux monkey ballz now :(..... Was able to just barely squeeze out over 1k kills on this front :( It is what it is, darn Ghosts in the machine.

[image]local://upfiles/53556/63F447D478DF452CA49D771CDB0247CE.jpg[/image]



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (1/29/2018 2:30:17 AM)

Whelp, now on to the Southern front. Don't know how much of this I'm getting done tonight since I have to be extremely careful on my moves. Why? Well you will just have to wait and I will show you why :-)



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (1/29/2018 2:35:11 AM)

Oh, before I forget it. I mentioned above about not liking better CV value. It makes my life a great deal easier. Yes, I said easier. I would advise against it but M60 wanted it.



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (1/29/2018 3:10:53 AM)


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Whelp, now on to the Southern front. Don't know how much of this I'm getting done tonight since I have to be extremely careful on my moves. Why? Well you will just have to wait and I will show you why :-)


So M60 got lucky with the random number generator and some high defense value up front :( I need to force retreat the 5=25 SE then follow up hasty attack to force this SW after that so my infantry can go "deep" latter on. I also will have these units attack the 4=8 to the NE. The 17=2 is placed in this location to have the units retreat where I want them to. That 17=2 will move SE along the rail after the 5=25 is forced to retreat to keep having it retreat where I want it to :) I'm sure everyone knows all of this.

[image]local://upfiles/53556/A68B5FA8CA084D2EB74A6241DE8608A8.jpg[/image]



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (1/29/2018 3:13:37 AM)


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

Whelp, now on to the Southern front. Don't know how much of this I'm getting done tonight since I have to be extremely careful on my moves. Why? Well you will just have to wait and I will show you why :-)


So M60 got lucky with the random number generator and some high defense value up front :( I need to force retreat the 5=25 SE then follow up hasty attack to force this SW after that so my infantry can go "deep" latter on. I also will have these units attack the 4=8 to the NE. The 17=2 is placed in this location to have the units retreat where I want them to. That 17=2 will move SE along the rail after the 5=25 is forced to retreat to keep having it retreat where I want it to :) I'm sure everyone knows all of this.

[image]local://upfiles/53556/A68B5FA8CA084D2EB74A6241DE8608A8.jpg[/image]


Please keep in mind I have done no other bombing beside that in the Rumanian front. I have all planes set on Night ops except for a couple of bomber squadrons to help with ground support and 1 fighter squadron. (I did use those bombers to take out some pesky Soviet Recon before giving them ground support roles.



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (1/29/2018 3:20:59 AM)

Now we get to the fun part. After a few other preliminary attacks we come to this snap shot of 6 air bases that will be taken out by just the STG-77. Please note that the North airbase will be unit bombed first then airfield bombed because if you don't do it in that order you can not later unit bomb the hex. So if you ever find yourself in that situation make sure to unit bomb first :)

[image]local://upfiles/53556/65FDF3D30B694A95A1743575CA892700.jpg[/image]



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (1/29/2018 3:22:19 AM)

And here are the lucky guys with the task of "Exterminating" the airplanes on these six bases.

[image]local://upfiles/53556/EA67DE8571FE40B9BD81B6F2A1C142FC.jpg[/image]



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (1/29/2018 3:24:30 AM)

Germany is all about "finesse" (the verb meaning). You have to do a great deal with so little. I also make it a habit of "exterminating" everything in the center and north to get the Infantry moving to the front. The more you lally gag around in the back the longer you are not productive.



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (1/29/2018 3:25:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

And here are the lucky guys with the task of "Exterminating" the airplanes on these six bases.

[image]local://upfiles/53556/EA67DE8571FE40B9BD81B6F2A1C142FC.jpg[/image]


Please note that you can see the fighter base 2 hexes to the NW of the Ju-87 base under the HQ.



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (1/29/2018 3:46:19 AM)

These JU87 pilots don't mess around. Boy do they mean business, like some angry hornets. They get an A+++ for "extermination" of Soviet airplanes. 1 group has over 500 kills already, lol :)

[image]local://upfiles/53556/D5AAC6334CC242809A8C7C73800693C7.jpg[/image]



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (1/29/2018 3:47:02 AM)

And another snap shot, I figured two is enough.

[image]local://upfiles/53556/99527B328D5A4F5E8DAF29240E16449E.jpg[/image]



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (1/29/2018 3:50:21 AM)

Here is the running Air total loss so far. Only the Rumanian front and the 6 airbases circled in a previous post has been done. I still have all other bombers still avail. But more fun looks like it is going to have to wait. Need to get to bed since it is almost 12 midnight here. I figured to do a play by play on the first turn to give newer people a look at something different. If you want more or less let me know since I can do either.

[image]local://upfiles/53556/E51C61DF3DCE481588A746316B39A2B7.jpg[/image]



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (1/29/2018 3:55:36 AM)


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

And another snap shot, I figured two is enough.

[image]local://upfiles/53556/99527B328D5A4F5E8DAF29240E16449E.jpg[/image]


Oh, and those JU87 did all the air bases with plenty of milage to spare for some good ground support ;-}. (30% is max for airbase bombing)

[image]local://upfiles/53556/1C87BA5F42FD40998D175678E9E3E741.jpg[/image]



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