RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (Full Version)

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (2/6/2018 3:49:10 AM)

Turn 3

Air Loses





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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (2/6/2018 3:49:40 AM)

Turn 3

Ground Loses

***Now I have to figure out what to do with the Russian in my Game with Dinglir. There are an awful lot of PZ/Moto division in one area and is making me extremely nervous :(

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (2/6/2018 4:05:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

Turn 3

I can say that the Alt Combat is making combat for me extremely easy by taking out all the guesswork you would have without it. Take for instance this PZ division in the picture (which is at 82% TOE by the way. I know it is 68 CV no if ands or buts about it. Easy to do the odds on hasty attacks with that info. I'm just saying. So It is making my attacks more deadly since I can pretty much know what is going to succeed about 98% of the time now. But lets continue.



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Interesting no one caught the hidden meaning behind the picture yet. Will see if someone does soon enough. It was a hint to something that happened.



Crackaces -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (2/6/2018 12:04:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

Turn 3

I can say that the Alt Combat is making combat for me extremely easy by taking out all the guesswork you would have without it. Take for instance this PZ division in the picture (which is at 82% TOE by the way. I know it is 68 CV no if ands or buts about it. Easy to do the odds on hasty attacks with that info. I'm just saying. So It is making my attacks more deadly since I can pretty much know what is going to succeed about 98% of the time now. But lets continue.



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Interesting no one caught the hidden meaning behind the picture yet. Will see if someone does soon enough. It was a hint to something that happened.


I have no clue about hidden meanings .. but do consider what commander you are up against. If a unit passes leadership checks on the defense I understand the CV can double. Thus a surprise “held” when you thought you had a sure win. The alt CV assumes no enemy passed leadership checks.



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (2/6/2018 1:38:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

Will be interested to see what M60 does.

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I Already know he will stay close. His defense looks almost exactly like it did in the previous game. I LOVE it when the Soviets come out to play :)



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (2/10/2018 4:16:43 PM)

Turn 4

Soviets retreat in the Center. I was wrong in my thinking that they would stay. (Gave a 60% to stay, 40% to retreat) The Soviet new line is from Velikie Luki using the woods and swamp as cover along with the river line to Smolensk. Here is the Snapshot of what I'm facing. Currently, Panzers needed a rest since I normally give them Turn 3(and sometimes turn 4) as a Rest before the coming offense. I see pro's and con's to M60's line in front of me but I will leave it to a quote by Napoleon, "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake". Again it is just my opinion it is a mistake but the line looks eerily similar to the one I faced before. Of course I could be just wrong about the line & it is great. Time will tell to see which one of us is correct.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (2/10/2018 4:20:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Crackaces


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

Turn 3

I can say that the Alt Combat is making combat for me extremely easy by taking out all the guesswork you would have without it. Take for instance this PZ division in the picture (which is at 82% TOE by the way. I know it is 68 CV no if ands or buts about it. Easy to do the odds on hasty attacks with that info. I'm just saying. So It is making my attacks more deadly since I can pretty much know what is going to succeed about 98% of the time now. But lets continue.



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Interesting no one caught the hidden meaning behind the picture yet. Will see if someone does soon enough. It was a hint to something that happened.


I have no clue about hidden meanings .. but do consider what commander you are up against. If a unit passes leadership checks on the defense I understand the CV can double. Thus a surprise “held” when you thought you had a sure win. The alt CV assumes no enemy passed leadership checks.



It was a reference that this PZ Division was commanded by Guderian. Guderian & Model are my offset to Zhukov. Put the right leaders behind those two and hopefully tip the scales towards the Germans.



smokindave34 -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (2/10/2018 4:24:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

Turn 4

Soviets retreat in the Center. The Soviet new line is from Velikie Luki using the woods and swamp as cover along with the river line to Smolensk. Here is the Snapshot of what I'm facing. Currently, Panzers needed a rest since I normally give them Turn 3(and sometimes turn 4) as a Rest before the coming offense. I see pro's and con's to M60's line in front of me but I will leave it to a quote by Napoleon, "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake". Again it is just my opinion it is a mistake but the line looks eerily similar to the one I faced before. Of course I could be just wrong about the line & it is great. Time will tell to see which one of us is correct.

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M60's defense seems a bit thin between the Dnepr and Mezha rivers. I could envision a panzer corps charging through there if they have the fuel to support it. I guess we will find out soon enough



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (2/10/2018 4:43:59 PM)

Turn 4 The Finns come out to "Play"

Finland entered the War with a loaded Soviet front. For a bit, I thought that more units were added to the Finish front in the recent patch. Just like a great many units were added in the German backfield I thought the same thing happened on the Finish Front of what I saw on the Soviet line. I had to verify that running through a couple of games to see if it was. It wasn't. So M60 brought these units up to reinforce the lines. Very nice move!!!! BUT the unfortunate side effect, for the Soviets that is, was that this released ALL Finish Divisions.

This was a great opportunity. Finns have excellent leaders, CHECK. Finns have excellent experienced units, CHECK. Finns are well rested & ready to go, CHECK. Finns have targets of opportunities, CHECK! So Finns decide that time for the offense is now. Not often do the Soviets come out to play, lets go play :)

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (2/10/2018 4:56:47 PM)

Turn 4

I ABSOLUTELY HATE these units!!!



7! Yes, seven attacks & two bombardments for 9 total attacks on these little f'rs and they would not budge. This has made me kick the cat. Need my division east and these two f'rs(became 3 when the NE hex retreated here) are holding up Divisions. I need to be to the east now. I knew I should have just left this to the Rumanians like I used to do :(. Lesson learned the hard way yet again.



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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (2/10/2018 5:14:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: smokindave34


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

Turn 4

Soviets retreat in the Center. The Soviet new line is from Velikie Luki using the woods and swamp as cover along with the river line to Smolensk. Here is the Snapshot of what I'm facing. Currently, Panzers needed a rest since I normally give them Turn 3(and sometimes turn 4) as a Rest before the coming offense. I see pro's and con's to M60's line in front of me but I will leave it to a quote by Napoleon, "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake". Again it is just my opinion it is a mistake but the line looks eerily similar to the one I faced before. Of course I could be just wrong about the line & it is great. Time will tell to see which one of us is correct.

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M60's defense seems a bit thin between the Dnepr and Mezha rivers. I could envision a panzer corps charging through there if they have the fuel to support it. I guess we will find out soon enough



You can do the comparison between the games. In this snapshot is our game from a year ago. The setup looks the same on M60's side. But maybe it is just me. Does history repeat? (By the way the game turn is turn 4 in our current game. You are reading this real time. And Yes I know I am letting M60 read this. I don't know if he does or not but it is all good just the same)

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (2/10/2018 5:31:13 PM)

Turn 4 (real-time game turn)

RR in the North going as planned. Will have a redundant link between the two rails next turn. Don't want an incident like Stef had against Stelteck in his AAR. I would not like it to be at the gates of Moscow to be held up by some crazy Partisans. So two rail lines is the way to do it imo. (7 hex conversion on the south leg as mentioned on the previous RR post earlier in this AAR)

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (2/10/2018 5:38:38 PM)

Turn 4 (real-time in-game turn)

No airfield bombing yet. M60 flew only two Recon missions and that was against my Airbases in the Center. I lost a fighter to the darn Recon planes, I mean how lucky can you get?(I'm blaming it on the Recon plane shooting it down, but I bet my Flak did on accident) I sure M60 took note of the amount of AA that greeted his recon planes as he reconned the area only twice. AA ~188-252.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (2/10/2018 5:42:47 PM)

Turn 4 Air loses

Air loses for the turn were Finns.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (2/10/2018 5:46:48 PM)

Turn 4 Soviet Loses



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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (2/10/2018 5:55:30 PM)

Turn 4 OOB


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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (2/12/2018 3:18:33 AM)

Caught in between moments of Turn 4 and Turn 5 (infinite cycle of thought)

Sitting here after sending my turn back on my other game to my Axis opponent I have contemplated that I really do prefer playing the German side more. Always have "loved" the quality side of the equation in everything I do. WITE is no different.

off soap box.



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (2/13/2018 11:58:52 PM)

Received Turn 5 back & will post in a couple days since I have a heavy work schedule until Thursday.



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (2/15/2018 9:36:08 PM)

Turn 5 (real game turn, no delay)

The game lull of turns 2 through 4 are over. Turn 5 is the probe & thrust to see how M60 reacts. Turns 6-10 is what I consider the GOLDEN turns since this is where the Germans set themselves up for the rest of the game. But make no mistake about it, I play to win the game as quickly as possible and many know that from playing me. I will see if I can achieve the 41 auto victory since the Sudden death scenario was taken out with Bitter End campaign game.

Priorities this turn

#1 = Soviet units, surround and/or exterminate.


Without further ado I will set up the stage of turn 5 as it transpired.



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (2/15/2018 9:50:04 PM)

Turn 5 (real time, no delay)

Recon Center

The Soviets retreat again putting another buffer of hexes in front of us.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (2/15/2018 9:51:39 PM)

Turn 5 (real time turn, no delay)

Recon South


Soviets continue to hug the River with no crossing by me at all.



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (2/15/2018 9:53:49 PM)

Turn 5 (real time turn, no delay)

Recon North

Soviets have retreated a few hexes and have set up in advantageous terrain conducive for defense. I intensify search to make sure I see all Soviet units since this area seems very weak.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (2/15/2018 10:00:21 PM)

Turn 5 (real time turn, no delay)

Finish Front

Beginning of turn on the Finish front. Extra Soviet units on this front has released all the Finns. This front looks very promising. Excellent movement points and high combat value with great leaders. Cant go wrong with that when all the Finns are released early. Also Hango was vacated which allowed use of another Division and a brigade which came in handy this turn.





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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (2/15/2018 10:07:11 PM)

Turn 5 (real time turn, no delay)

Based on the information I have gathered from recon & what I see on the Finnish border I decide to do my first called objective, Leningrad.



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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (2/15/2018 10:30:32 PM)

Turn 5

This is the view I had after recon. German recon is so good I'm 98% sure there are no other units until past Novgorod.

Orange circles are more than likely combat units with a combat str of 4-8+ in open terrain for single stack units since no entrenchments and higher value for coverage in woods and swamp accordingly

Yellow are HQ units and normally designate the ending of combat units and there were no other HQ's behind them. So what we see in orange is it

Red are airfields. Only 2 airfields had aircraft on them.

I decide to take the Pskov highway (what I call it the BLUE line arrow) the area between Pskov and the swamps to the east of it. I hope to open this highway up to let the vehicles through. But first a look at the airfields.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (2/15/2018 10:31:14 PM)

Turn 5

I did find this interesting. But maybe I'm missing something.




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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (2/15/2018 10:42:22 PM)

Turn 5

The airfields NE of Pskov. I call this airbase, "The Airbase that keeps on giving" as you will see shortly.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (2/15/2018 10:56:39 PM)

Turn 5

Opening of Pskov highway


1. 1st bring up a 90 exp unit in I Corps from the back (not in any of the pictures). Will hasty attack the 4 defense unit. Before that can be done need to replace "Both" with someone worthy of 90 exp units.

***Note SEC unit routed here from another combat earlier in the turn

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (2/15/2018 10:59:31 PM)

Turn 5

Opening of the Pskov highway

2. Changed leader worthy of 90 exp units. He will do since I want a good mech rating too.



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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (2/15/2018 11:06:03 PM)

Turn 5

Opening of the Pskov highway

3. Hasty attacked succeeded and I now bring the German 20-16 to the yellow circle. This will force the Soviet 20 defense unit to the west to retreat to the NW when attacked.

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