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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome) (1/29/2018 3:52:31 PM)
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ORIGINAL: lastkozak
HardLuckYetAgain
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I don't mean this to be rude or anything I'm just saying I'm going to push these little pixels to the max to get the best benefit from them. EOL (end of line)
Again I'm not trying to be rude
I would not call it being rude, but obviously I struck a nerve!
When one uses the word "you", it implies a direct individual or a group (especially when used as the subject), thus placing the writer in an opposing group. Once that is done, the writer and reader are no longer in the same group, but are in two opposing groups. (Bro Code Tip#1: never a good idea to do in a relationship)
A pre-emptive apology, by declaring one is not attempting to be rude, the introduction of other topics, like another game I am playing with somebody else, and emphasizing a particular emotionally eliciting word in quotations, that are not normally used in such a situation ("exterminate"), and references to a game which the writer and reader are not playing (a fictitious reality), followed by the introduction of past glory (pictures of moves in past games), leaves me wondering what nerve did I strike?
My questions, I believe are valid questions and worthy of discussion, since statistically the Germans have an edge, due to their excessive knowledge and ability to practice their first move. WITE is a "GAME"!!!! With that comes 'gamey play', and a question of how close should such a game come to the reality of the historical period. My main point is, if a German Player is in the position of being in Command of OKH, or are his decisions those of the supreme leader of Germany? If the Supreme leader, then the Soviet player is also, and should be allowed to change their deployment, to compensate them for the excessive recon the Germans have due to playing turn one numerous times. If the German player is only in charge of OKH, and must obey the original plans, then the Soviet is only in command of Stavka on down.
As you have called into question the need for more historical controls via 'house rules', in other posts, it seems odd that you would then say the complete opposite here, now. My comments should not take away your leanered lessons from past games, but I believe my point is valid, a German Player has an edge, because they know all of the Soviet positions, and are better rehearsed than the Germans actually were. The Soviets get none of this advantage on the first turn.
Others say you are a great player; I too think you are very leanered in the game mechanics. However by your own words, you claim that you are not a great player. I believe if you wish to find an answer to that question, then a 1941-45 game should be played where the Germans do not get the edge in their first turn, by either allowing the Soviets to change their deployment a tiny bit (every unit 1 or 2 hexes), or by placing the German units in the same positions they were in historically on June 26, 1941, and starting the game with the Soviets. Thus from there on the Germans are on their own, with no real advantage of the first turn. At a minimum, Army Group 2, has to follow the original plan on Turn 1.
The leader of OKH, would have been shot had he diverged in anyway from the original Barbarossa plan supported by Hitler. If then the player can diverge from that, then the Soviets should be able to diverge from the defense plan which had been supported by Stalin.
If you were victorious in that scenario, you may then see why others on the forum, say you are a Great player!
As I have always said I'm not nor will I ever be a great player. We are always learning.
As for discussing the historical aspect I tell you what. Lets roll a die. Even you win, odd I lose. See you win. Now back to the game as it was agreed upon by M60 and myself :)
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