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thedoctorking -> RE: TTG multi-player teaching game: Axis turn 7 (9/19/2019 8:39:59 PM)
TTG Teaching Game Neutral AAR Axis turn 7 This turn was mostly retrenching and preparing for future moves on the part of the Axis. Last turn’s slashing offensives exhausted fuel supplies in the panzers, requiring a turn of rest and consolidation. At the same time, large pockets of Soviet soldiers behind Axis lines had to be reduced before the infantry could move up to the new front line. As a result, the Soviets got a much-needed respite from the series of catastrophes they have experienced over the preceding several turns. In the north, the Germans faced powerful Soviet defenses around Pskov seemingly undaunted by the previous turn’s attacks. The line to the east of Pskov was not very strong in fact, but German reconnaissance did not reveal this weakness very clearly. Down towards Velikie Luki, on the other hand, the Soviets had continued their steady retreat and now held a thin line based on the city itself and the Lovat River. If a breakthrough were possible in this sector, significant Soviet forces could end up isolated. [image]local://upfiles/56634/A7C6A7EC10744E3C9AC7AE3F05B3F7AD.jpg[/image]

thedoctorking -> RE: TTG multi-player teaching game: Axis turn 7 (9/19/2019 8:40:33 PM)
The AGN commander, Philly, continued his attacks along both lines of advance he had established on the previous turn. In both areas, he was able to pierce the Soviet line but not exploit to isolate any Soviet units. This is a lesson in the importance of concentration of forces. [image]local://upfiles/56634/C92B6C3A3EDF42D19EB9207AF5B34FF4.jpg[/image]

thedoctorking -> RE: TTG multi-player teaching game: Axis turn 7 (9/19/2019 8:41:11 PM)
AGN also moved XXVI Corps of 18th Army into Estonia and discovered that the Soviets had prepared a powerful defense on the Estonian islands. Perhaps they hope to make them a northern Crimea, a base behind Axis lines from which they could launch an offensive in the winter. To do this, they will have to hold Leningrad, though. Without supply by sea, these forces would be isolated and easily cleaned up. [image]local://upfiles/56634/1D73AA7113CA4C2B96F486EA9BDD6742.jpg[/image]

thedoctorking -> RE: TTG multi-player teaching game: Axis turn 7 (9/19/2019 8:41:51 PM)
In the Central sector, we can see the effects of poor supply on the movement capacity of the German armor. Third Panzer Group, to the south, has movement allowances in the single digits, while 2nd, to the north and closer to the rail head, has no more than 20. The infantry armies are reasonably concentrated but face two large Soviet pockets that must be cleared. [image]local://upfiles/56634/87585B2CA6F447AE8B1D214FA958965F.jpg[/image]

thedoctorking -> RE: TTG multi-player teaching game: Axis turn 7 (9/19/2019 8:42:32 PM)
In this sector, the Axis forces cleared pockets and gassed up their tanks. Second Army made a few attacks in the land bridge, taking advantage of the dispersal of the powerful Soviet forces there the previous turn to gain a hex or two and possibly disjoint the Soviet position. [image]local://upfiles/56634/1CD89B824C254923AB804887D9E34DCC.jpg[/image]

thedoctorking -> RE: TTG multi-player teaching game: Axis turn 7 (9/19/2019 8:43:16 PM)
Around Kiev, the beginning of the turn found significant armored forces still in or near the swamps where they had participated in the closing of the pocket around the Soviet armored troops. Some of those pocketed units also were still active, diverting the attention of elements of 17th Army. [image]local://upfiles/56634/327F4F1EF30F41569F8517CF98618150.jpg[/image]

thedoctorking -> RE: TTG multi-player teaching game: Axis turn 7 (9/19/2019 8:44:00 PM)
The panzers in this area redeployed south of Kiev and got an HQBU, while the infantry pressed forward through the swamps north of Kiev. No effort was made to reduce the city itself, and to the south the Germans allowed a large gap to open between 17th and 9th Armies in the vicinity of Cherkassy, not having learned their lesson about cavalry raids from a few turns ago. A few of the Soviet motorized and armored divisions were left alive west of Mozyr. [image]local://upfiles/56634/B095D5AA42C64C8FA84CE3828226527D.jpg[/image]

thedoctorking -> RE: TTG multi-player teaching game: Axis turn 7 (9/19/2019 8:47:54 PM)
And finally, in southern Ukraine, the Axis found a situation similar to that in the center, with armored formations in poor supply and infantry looking at a pocket to clear. At the very southern end of their line, they saw an open road across the Dnepr at Kherson. [image]local://upfiles/56634/1A52CBEE2B2C4187AC4516456AFC2801.jpg[/image]

thedoctorking -> RE: TTG multi-player teaching game: Axis turn 7 (9/19/2019 8:48:48 PM)
One corps of the southern formation, XXXXVI Panzer Corps on loan from 2nd Panzer Group, received an HQBU. The remainder of 1st Panzer Group’s tanks remained relatively immobile, conserving fuel for next turn’s push. Infantry of 18th Army and their Romanian friends crossed the Dnepr. Back at Odessa, the fortress finally fell to an assault by an all-Romanian force, cementing the Legionnaire State’s claim to the city. [image]local://upfiles/56634/664C113274FF436DA0E724DB1F876C70.jpg[/image]

thedoctorking -> RE: TTG multi-player teaching game: Axis turn 7 (9/19/2019 8:49:23 PM)
Losses this turn were 276,406 Soviet to 24,727 Axis (899 to 107 in the air). Ready numbers are 3,459,333 Soviet to 3,352,191 German (3733 to 2701 in the air). This is going pretty well for the Axis so far, though this is the beginning of a period when substantial reinforcements begin to flow for the Soviets.

EwaldvonKleist -> RE: TTG multi-player teaching game: Axis turn 7 (9/19/2019 8:58:15 PM)
Good AAR. It seems the Soviets will lose the war in the Centre (if they do), wasn't that the only front with an experienced player (S-T?) too?

thedoctorking -> RE: TTG multi-player teaching game: Axis turn 7 (9/19/2019 11:17:03 PM)
The current lineup is: North: Fetterkrolle Center: Littlebrother South: Tonyhnz Air: Grant CoS: Marauder

thedoctorking -> RE: TTG multi-player teaching game: Axis turn 7 (9/19/2019 11:17:27 PM)
Basically, everybody is a relative newbie except for Marauder.

Fetterkrolle -> RE: TTG multi-player teaching game: Axis turn 7 (9/20/2019 5:06:04 PM)
Yes Ewald, ST was playing AGC up to around turn 10 I think. The lineup mentioned by thedoctorking is the soviet lineup.

thedoctorking -> TTG multi-player teaching game: Soviet turn 7 (12/7/2019 7:33:06 PM)
TTG Neutral AAR Soviet turn 7 The Soviet team continued their steady withdrawal this turn, for the most part getting well back in areas where Axis armor looked ready for major offensives. In the north, the defenses of Pskov remained strong, with a small Axis salient forming in the clear terrain to the east of the city. Leningrad Front remained divided between the Pskov and Velikie Luki sectors. The city of Velikie Luki has fallen, but there again the Axis armored salient is small and appeared reasonably easy to contain. The sector border between north and center seems to have moved north, as Reserve Front forces defend several hexes north of the Dvina. At one time, the Soviet team was discussing transferring control of Reserve Front to the northern commander, but in response to the big pocket on turn 6, this plan was shelved for the time being. Ultimately, the USSR will have 13 Front HQ’s, meaning that in a four-way split it is reasonable for each commander to control four fronts. Several of those fronts come in later – Voronezh Front in June 1942, (restored) SW Front in October 1942, and Steppe Front in May 1943. In 1941 there are 10 fronts plus the Moscow Defense Zone (which only has half the capacity of a normal front), so basically three or four each. This is insufficient to successfully command all the Soviet units, so you often end up with either fronts overloaded (a very bad idea) or lots of armies/individual divisions under direct STAVKA control. You should avoid having anybody under STAVKA control on the front line because the extra layer of command gives your guys an additional chance to make leadership rolls. Also, unless you have an air command with bases nearby that is directly under STAVKA, those units will get minimal air support. [image]local://upfiles/56634/AE6D767CA6104651989896919BD914A5.jpg[/image]

thedoctorking -> RE: TTG multi-player teaching game: Soviet turn 7 (12/7/2019 7:34:11 PM)
In the northern theater, the Soviets pulled back a bit in front of the southern breakthrough, taking positions in the hills and woods, difficult terrain for armored movement. Around Pskov, they strengthened their defensive lines and dared Model and Manstein to do their worst. No backup line of defenders holds the Plyussa or Luga lines, although one fortified zone did appear behind the Neva. The Soviets obviously remain confident in this area. [image]local://upfiles/56634/1B1034A4E2CF4B89931B8D783749338F.jpg[/image]

thedoctorking -> RE: TTG multi-player teaching game: Soviet turn 7 (12/7/2019 7:35:02 PM)
In the central sector, the Soviet turn began with large enemy forces massing on both sides of the Denpr near Smolensk. Several of the German armored formations showed better than red fuel, indicating that they would have large movement allowances on the next turn. Organization of the Soviet defenses in this area was poor, with many powerful units transferred last turn from other fronts still reporting to their old HQ’s, far away. All the forces in the vicinity of Bryansk and along the Desna River were still under direct STAVKA control and not backed up by STAVKA air bases, meaning that they were unable to get any air support. The Luftwaffe took the offensive this turn against the Soviet air force, with considerable success. They ran lots of recon missions, especially in the central sector, and then a series of ground bombing missions along the front. This appears to have been successful in drawing up the Soviet fighters and exhausting their ammo, fuel, or allowable miles. Then, the Germans had enough air power left to lauch damaging raids against airbases defended by fatigued or even grounded fighters. It didn’t help that the Soviet air force began the turn with at least 30 air regiments deployed in forward air bases with morale below 40. Ten or 15 air units started the turn with fatigue above 20. Normally, I start each turn as the Soviets by sending any air unit with <40 morale or >20 fatigue to national reserve. They are just targets for the Luftwaffe if they remain at the front. You can shade a bit on fatigue by setting high-fatigue fighter squadrons to short ranges (40 or so, equals 1 hex), ensuring that they will not fly during your turn and will be ready to oppose any airbase bombing missions in the enemy’s turn. German air commanders need to tolerate higher levels of fatigue than Soviets (and their pilots can be effective at higher levels of fatigue due to their generally higher experience and morale). Nonetheless, similar rules should apply in their case – find the high fatigue and low morale squadrons at the start of your turn and send them to the reserve for a turn. Then, if they are still bad the next turn, move them to a rear area airbase and let them recover. [image]local://upfiles/56634/8C62FB4B94C94FEA8E3FFF599ED6D642.jpg[/image]

thedoctorking -> RE: TTG multi-player teaching game: Soviet turn 7 (12/7/2019 7:36:27 PM)
Soviet central sector command took the opportunity to fall back about four hexes and reorganize its forces directly in front of the mass of German troops near Smolensk. All defending stacks were seemingly powerful enough to resist a hasty attack by German infantry. The line is two hexes deep, with backers sufficient to require any armored breakthrough force to traverse five or six hexes in zones of control, limiting its potential reach. To the south, the Bryansk sector forces are still under STAVKA control and some defensive stacks are very weak. There are also no rear-guard units here. On the other hand, the main mass of powerful German units is far to the north, possibly limiting the damage they can do in this area. [image]local://upfiles/56634/DC845DBD053C4EAC8AA3B758D5EA6882.jpg[/image]

thedoctorking -> RE: TTG multi-player teaching game: Soviet turn 7 (12/7/2019 7:37:29 PM)
In the Kiev region, the Soviets faced powerful forces now ready to attempt a crossing of the Dnepr. German armor showed up south of Kiev, with insufficient information to judge its fuel status. Infantry from 17th Army was massed along the river right in front of this armor concentration. To the north of Kiev, at least one German corps faced a few airborne brigades on the other side of the river. The Germans had allowed a large gap to open between 17th and 9th Armies near Cherkassy, offering the possibility of another cavalry raid, but without a realistic chance to isolate more than a few German divisions, was it worth losing the increasingly rare cavalry? Soviet players must consider the fact that their cavalry will be their strike force in the winter of 1941. The only corps-sized units that they can form are cavalry corps, so these become the mobile spearhead of the winter counter-offensives. If you lose three cavalry divisions in August, that’s one fewer powerful corps in January. [image]local://upfiles/56634/1F2D1BE2A62D4744A8D6B609A5E3B774.jpg[/image]

thedoctorking -> RE: TTG multi-player teaching game: Soviet turn 7 (12/7/2019 7:38:34 PM)
Ultimately, the Soviets opted to continue their withdrawal in this region, giving up the defensive line of the Dnepr. Given the retrenching farther north, they had little choice. [image]local://upfiles/56634/E79B8BFAC81944479BD6DAA65DE2FF49.jpg[/image]

thedoctorking -> RE: TTG multi-player teaching game: Soviet turn 7 (12/7/2019 7:39:23 PM)
A really dangerous situation presented itself at the southern end of the Dnepr line, with little or no defense between Dnepropetrovsk and Crimea. Substantial Axis armored forces were visible on aerial recon, but no information on their fuel status was available. The fact that German armor remained immobile in this sector should have given the Soviet player pause for thought, though. [image]local://upfiles/56634/870C98310CB143DEAB3B360B59FB485E.jpg[/image]

thedoctorking -> RE: TTG multi-player teaching game: Soviet turn 7 (12/7/2019 7:40:12 PM)
In this sector, interestingly, the Soviets opted to try to hold the Dnepr line, sending one army from Southwest Front to hold the critical area. They formed weak STAVKA armies to hold north of Dnepropetrovsk and a thin screen of Southern front units between Zaporozhye and the Azov. [image]local://upfiles/56634/697DB304453248BAA85D4A6E600F618F.jpg[/image]

thedoctorking -> RE: TTG multi-player teaching game: Soviet turn 7 (12/7/2019 7:40:45 PM)
Losses this turn were 257,705 Soviet to 23,448 Axis (843 to 78 in the air). Ready forces are 3,620,801 Soviet to 3,365,736 German (4824 to 2645 in the air).

juv95hrn -> RE: TTG multi-player teaching game: Soviet turn 7 (2/4/2020 1:17:37 AM)
Interesting comments with lots of useful information. Thanks for a great read! Hope you will continue this game?

Fetterkrolle -> RE: TTG multi-player teaching game: Soviet turn 7 (2/4/2020 3:00:05 PM)
The game is still being played at a slow rate. We are currently on turn 13.

thedoctorking -> RE: TTG multi-player teaching game: Soviet turn 7 (2/5/2020 5:19:17 AM)
As soon as you guys start with Soviet 13, I'll put up Axis 8. The AAR is staying 5 turns behind the play so the sides don't get too much useful intel from reading the AAR.

redrum68 -> RE: TTG multi-player teaching game: Soviet turn 7 (3/27/2020 3:42:01 AM)
@thedoctorking - Just want to say great AAR. Rarely see a neutral AAR covering both sides and giving incredibly insightful information.

Kilo59 -> RE: TTG multi-player teaching game: Soviet turn 7 (3/29/2020 1:16:44 PM)
I'm new to WitE and for me, this is a fantastic information source, and fascinating read. Thanks! I also think that a mp teaching game is a great concept. Good luck to both sides!

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