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PzB74 -> RE: Shropshire buys 2 (3/14/2006 3:34:32 PM)
I still got quite a few good naval commanders in the pool WhoCares, but you're right - 2nd Lt. Izumida is overqualified for command of a MLE. An asw group commander perhaps!?

huggarn -> RE: Shropshire buys 2 (3/14/2006 4:34:53 PM)
How big is the allied op losses? There must quite a bunch of the 200+ AC taking off from the carries that never returns. Or? Btw: thanks for a great AAR, you inspired me to do start playing Witp again.

PzB74 -> RE: Shropshire buys 2 (3/14/2006 5:14:07 PM)
Good to hear you're back at it Huggarn [8D] Wish I had the capacity to try a game with the latest patches and mods. Allied op losses usually equalls Jap losses at around 4-14 ac pr day depending on the size of operations. (My training missions in China are costly, especially when the units are green) US carrier based ac are high quality and suffers only minor losses...unfortunately. It's the long range fighters and bombers that takes most casualties.

WhoCares -> RE: Shropshire buys 2 (3/14/2006 5:32:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PzB I still got quite a few good naval commanders in the pool WhoCares, but you're right - 2nd Lt. Izumida is overqualified for command of a MLE. An asw group commander perhaps!? I am not sure whether you can assign him as a dedicated ASW TF commander. The rank has no influence on the skills of a commander (read: a 80/81 2nd Lt is just as good as a Vice Admiral with the same ratings). However, the rank is the defining factor in which list a given commander appears. That's why you can't assign a 2nd Lt. as CV TF commander, nor a Vice Admiral as AK skipper. That's why I said that I don't think that you can put him on a DD and I'd similarly doubt that you can pick him as a ASW TF commander. I am not even sure whether a skipper actually shows up in the TF commander list (except the skipper of the Flagship, of course)... Remains also the question what the Leader-Bug will do with him in a turn or five [:'(]

PzB74 -> RE: Shropshire buys 2 (3/14/2006 6:24:34 PM)
True WhoCares - we've not been plagued much by the leader-bug in this game though [8D] A 2nd lt should be a good commander for a PC/PG me thinks. Seems like Andy is on the move: his carrier fleet is moving up the eastern coast of New Guinea. Several targets were bombed, but I didn't spot any transports? Moving air reinforcements forward, but I will not engage an enemy uber CAP unless I have to. The question is: how should we react against an enemy incursion? Snipe and hide is my preferred approach for the time being. It's not possible to prevent the fall of central NG, so why waste valuable resources for very little gain? All my airfields are too far away to be a serious threat to enemy landings in the area. Enemy LBA makes sure of that. Got some really good units that will be put on naval night attack though and 3 subs have been ordered to intercept the enemy carrier groupings. Just need a minor mircale [8\|] AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/03/44 Air Attacks 2 US subs reported hit by asw ac! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Dagua , at 51,81 - could be Dagua next. Got several units ready for immediate deployment to the base. Allied aircraft F-5C Lightning x 1 No Allied losses -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 18th/C Division, at 51,81 Allied aircraft Kittyhawk III x 12 Beaufighter Mk 21 x 14 P-40N Warhawk x 72 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 161 casualties reported Guns lost 4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 18th/C Division, at 51,81 Allied aircraft Boomerang II x 18 Kittyhawk III x 35 Beaufighter Mk 21 x 52 P-40N Warhawk x 77 P-38J Lightning x 29 A-20G Havoc x 9 B-25J Mitchell x 42 B-24J Liberator x 51 No allied losses Japanese ground losses: 385 casualties reported Guns lost 7 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Hansa , at 53,83 - 4 transport ac were shot down over Hansa by enemy LRCAP today. I hope this is where Andy's heading [:'(] Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 18 SB2C Helldiver x 31 TBM Avenger x 187 Allied aircraft losses SB2C Helldiver: 1 damaged TBM Avenger: 4 damaged Japanese ground losses: 50 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Port hits 5 Port supply hits 9 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Enemy fleet moves north along eastern New Guinea coast [image]local://upfiles/1466/7F2F032297894C3597E2D75FC0A6EA57.gif[/image]

PzB74 -> RE: Shropshire buys 2 (3/14/2006 9:10:32 PM)
Seems like a huge troop convoy is trailing Andy's carriers. I'm betting they will land just north of Wewak. Let em come, time is on our side [8D] AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/04/44 Air Attacks USS Gudgeon reported hit by asw ac! Lautern on Timor has been hit on a regular basis over the last few weeks. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78 Allied aircraft Boomerang II x 12 Beaufighter Mk 21 x 41 P-40N Warhawk x 14 P-38J Lightning x 33 F-5A Lightning x 5 B-25J Mitchell x 33 Allied aircraft losses P-40N Warhawk: 2 damaged Japanese ground losses: 28 casualties reported Airbase hits 2 Airbase supply hits 3 Runway hits 59 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Same with Kusaie Island... Day Air attack on Kusaie Island , at 75,82 Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft Liberator VI x 12 B-25J Mitchell x 16 PB4Y Liberator x 19 B-24D Liberator x 13 Japanese aircraft losses No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses Liberator VI: 1 damaged B-25J Mitchell: 2 damaged B-24D Liberator: 1 damaged Airbase hits 3 Airbase supply hits 4 Runway hits 62 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Wewak , at 52,81 Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft PB4Y Liberator x 10 B-24J Liberator x 50 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-46-III Dinah: 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged Japanese ground losses: 62 casualties reported Airbase hits 7 Airbase supply hits 3 Runway hits 70 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Aitape has also been targetted more often than not, but I think Dagua is Andy's target - cause thats a size 2 af that can be expanded to size 5. Day Air attack on 12th/C Division, at 51,80 Allied aircraft B-25J Mitchell x 21 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 71 casualties reported Guns lost 5 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 18th/C Division, at 51,81 Allied aircraft Kittyhawk III x 10 Beaufighter Mk 21 x 13 P-40N Warhawk x 18 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 36 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 18th/C Division, at 51,81 Allied aircraft Boomerang II x 18 Kittyhawk III x 33 Beaufighter Mk 21 x 49 P-40N Warhawk x 79 P-38J Lightning x 34 A-20G Havoc x 9 B-25J Mitchell x 42 B-24J Liberator x 49 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 221 casualties reported Guns lost 7 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Dagua , at 51,81 Allied aircraft F-5C Lightning x 1 No Allied losses -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Wewak , at 52,81 Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 60 TBM Avenger x 201 Allied aircraft losses TBM Avenger: 1 destroyed, 12 damaged Japanese ground losses: 69 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Port hits 13 Port supply hits 18 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

PzB74 -> RE: Shropshire buys 2 (3/14/2006 10:16:25 PM)
This is my secret plan on how the Pacific War can be won: Blackadder : Tell me do you ever stop bullying and shouting at the lower orders? Wellington : NEVER! There's only one way to win a campaign shout, shout and shout again. Blackadder : You don't think that inspired leadership and tactical ability have anything to do with it? Wellington : NO! It's all down to shouting. WAAGGHH! Adapted it at school and it's working pretty well [:D]

PzB74 -> RE: Shropshire buys 2 (3/14/2006 10:52:01 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/05/44 Surface Combat My spy subs spotted a small surface group and 2 destroyers were sent to intercept: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Amchitka Island at 96,36 Japanese Ships DD Yugure, Shell hits 2 DD Uzuki Allied Ships AK Centarus AK Edward Livingston AK Frances E. Willard, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub/ASW Attacks Another attempt at intercepting an enemy convoy with CVEs ends with disaster! Another US sub hit by asw ac. Somehow I-20 managed to reach port with 97 flood [&o] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 55,84 Japanese Ships SS I-30, hits 3, on fire, heavy damage sinks Allied Ships AK Prominent LST LST-24 DE Duffy DD Downes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air Attacks Impossible to say were Andy will invade but it doesn't really matter. We wait and see! Doesn't matter much to me were the Empire defeats its enemies [;)] Day Air attack on Aitape , at 51,80 Allied aircraft PB4Y Liberator x 12 B-24J Liberator x 37 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 38 casualties reported Airbase hits 4 Airbase supply hits 9 Runway hits 32 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 12th/C Division, at 51,80 Allied aircraft B-25J Mitchell x 24 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 29 casualties reported Guns lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 18th/C Division, at 51,81 Allied aircraft Kittyhawk III x 10 Beaufighter Mk 21 x 14 P-40N Warhawk x 15 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 20 casualties reported Guns lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 18th/C Division, at 51,81 Allied aircraft Boomerang II x 17 Kittyhawk III x 35 Beaufighter Mk 21 x 45 P-40N Warhawk x 74 P-38J Lightning x 40 A-20G Havoc x 11 B-25J Mitchell x 27 B-24J Liberator x 73 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 370 casualties reported Guns lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 2nd/B Division, at 53,83 Allied aircraft Hurricane II x 4 P-39D Airacobra x 15 Allied aircraft losses P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Hansa , at 53,83 Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 60 SB2C Helldiver x 31 TBM Avenger x 189 Allied aircraft losses TBM Avenger: 1 destroyed, 9 damaged Japanese ground losses: 25 casualties reported Port hits 5 Port supply hits 10 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Enemy invasion armada [image]local://upfiles/1466/44A9825F55A6462AA0A8964238C5CF78.gif[/image]

Mynok -> RE: Shropshire buys 2 (3/14/2006 10:55:49 PM)
I believe that is what the military calls a B.F.H......i.e. a Big Hammer......

PzB74 -> RE: Shropshire buys 2 (3/14/2006 11:09:34 PM)
Yep, but imagine all the sys damage the entire Allied fleet must be working up while the Combined Fleet is enjoying prolonged R&R in the best spas'! [:D]

Mynok -> RE: Shropshire buys 2 (3/14/2006 11:18:42 PM)
Be careful! Some kinds of "spas" can cause sys damage too. [:D]

pauk -> RE: Shropshire buys 2 (3/15/2006 12:16:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PzB This is my secret plan on how the Pacific War can be won: Blackadder : Tell me do you ever stop bullying and shouting at the lower orders? Wellington : NEVER! There's only one way to win a campaign shout, shout and shout again. Blackadder : You don't think that inspired leadership and tactical ability have anything to do with it? Wellington : NO! It's all down to shouting. WAAGGHH! Adapted it at school and it's working pretty well [:D] Ahhhh!... Blackadder is just so super[:D]... my favourite is Blackadder WW I...

PzB74 -> RE: Shropshire buys 2 (3/15/2006 12:31:17 AM)
[;)] Black Adder is great - you should read the Flashman series Pauk. Just great, you'll love it! Propaganda warfare: ANDREW MCPHIE wrote: > Now where is the IJN to TRY and stop me !!!!! PzB replied: Why should I try to stop you...you're playing right into my hands! :-) ................................................................................ AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/06/44 Sub/AW Attacks Lots of transports all over the place now! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 56,61 Japanese Ships AP Oyo Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire - no serious damage PG Magan Maru Allied Ships SS Trigger Japanese ground losses: 23 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 53,57 Japanese Ships AK Sasako Maru, Shell hits 6, on fire - should make it Allied Ships SS Darter -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air Combat From all the attacks it's pretty obvious: Andy will land on Aitape! Question is, should we reinforce? The place is only a size 1 af and Andy will have to keep his fleet around to prevent me from bombarding it back to the stoneage. Me thinks we should turn this debacle into our advantage! Day Air attack on Aitape , at 51,80 Allied aircraft P-38J Lightning x 9 B-25J Mitchell x 20 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 32 casualties reported Airbase hits 4 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 14 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Aitape , at 51,80 Allied aircraft PB4Y Liberator x 11 B-24J Liberator x 32 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 23 casualties reported Airbase hits 1 Airbase supply hits 7 Runway hits 55 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 51st Road Construction Battalion, at 51,81 Allied aircraft Boomerang II x 6 Kittyhawk III x 10 Beaufighter Mk 21 x 18 P-40N Warhawk x 23 P-38J Lightning x 9 A-20G Havoc x 3 B-25J Mitchell x 14 B-24J Liberator x 23 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 92 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 12th/B Division, at 51,80 Allied aircraft B-25J Mitchell x 28 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 112 casualties reported Guns lost 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 12th/C Division, at 51,80 Allied aircraft Beaufighter Mk 21 x 9 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 11 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 18th/C Division, at 51,81 Allied aircraft FM-2 Wildcat x 16 Corsair IV x 5 TBM Avenger x 43 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 37 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 18th/C Division, at 51,81 Allied aircraft Beaufighter Mk 21 x 11 P-40N Warhawk x 18 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 51 casualties reported Guns lost 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 18th/C Division, at 51,81 Allied aircraft Boomerang II x 12 Kittyhawk III x 25 Beaufighter Mk 21 x 24 P-40N Warhawk x 54 P-38J Lightning x 24 A-20G Havoc x 9 B-25J Mitchell x 16 B-24J Liberator x 18 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 147 casualties reported Guns lost 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 2nd/A Division, at 53,83 Allied aircraft SBD Dauntless x 9 Kittyhawk III x 6 Beaufighter Mk 21 x 18 P-39D Airacobra x 13 A-20G Havoc x 6 Allied aircraft losses Beaufighter Mk 21: 2 damaged A-20G Havoc: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 13 casualties reported Guns lost 1 ---------------------------------------------------------- Enemy invasion fleet Tomorrow the enemy will make landfall... In the meantime we wait: if an opportunity provides itself we will take advantage of it. If not - well, plenty more bases to fight over. [image]local://upfiles/1466/8D0B2260E75649F3B00B41D1A8CCCA0D.gif[/image]

Honda -> RE: Shropshire buys 2 (3/15/2006 1:04:19 AM)
One thing...if you have Bettys on Palau or anywhere within range 15 of the enemy fleet, put them ALL on night naval attack. That way your kamikaze subs will spot the enemy and apart from dying, possibly trigger night naval attacks. A good number of your Bettys should be high exp and you might find some success with those tactics. Don't send them during day, at least not in number. So better then to sleep, put them on alert, you might get lucky if you play it right.

PzB74 -> Dagua invaded! (3/15/2006 2:12:29 AM)
We're talking the same language Honda - today my Emily's took of and attacked the enemy carriers in a night raid! 5 boats launched torpedoes, unfortunately no hits were scored. But we're absolutely on the right track. Will place 150 highly experienced Bettys on night attack today. A heavy enemy attack is bound to take Dagua and Aitape out in the long run - but we're inflicting casualties and this is yet another back water base with only 350 mines. AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/07/44 Sub/ASW Attacks My subs got into position and fired at an enemy destroyer before being sunk. A second sub was simply...sunk [:'(] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 51,79 Japanese Ships SS I-170, hits 3, on fire, heavy damage sinks Allied Ships DD Converse DD Heermann DD Daly DD Cotten DD Cony DD Conner DD Charles Badger DD Bache DD Charles Ausburne CA Chester -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 34,53 Japanese Ships PC Ch 11 PC Ch 9 PC Ch 3 PC Takuna Maru #7 PC Sonan Maru #6 PG Yoshida Maru Allied Ships SS Greenling, heavy damage reported sunk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 52,80 Japanese Ships SS I-39 Allied Ships DD Sigsbee DD David Taylor DD Walker DD Swanson BB Iowa -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 52,80 Japanese Ships SS I-39 Allied Ships LCT LCT-360 LCI LCI-336 LCI LCI-330 LCI LCI-329 LST LST-354 LST LST-40 AK Serpens DE Duffy DD Downes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 52,80 Japanese Ships SS I-39, hits 6, on fire, heavy damage sinks Allied Ships AP Cape Neddick LCM 533D LCT LCT-474 LST LST-353 LST LST-180 LST LST-177 LST LST-125 LST LST-88 MSW Bobolink SC SC-641 SC SC-640 SC SC-522 PC Tiger MSW Zeal MSW Token MSW Gympie MSW Ararat DE Emery DE Dionne DD Murray ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bombardments Slight results... Naval bombardment of Dagua, at 51,81 Allied Ships DD Haraden DD Marshall DD Remey DD Hopewell BB Washington Japanese ground losses: 12 casualties reported Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 15 Port hits 1 Port supply hits 8 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Dagua, at 51,81 Allied Ships DD Saufley DD Schroeder DD Hall DD Halligan BB Idaho Airbase hits 1 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 24 Port hits 2 Port supply hits 4 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Air Combat This one must have put a scare into Andy...too bad they missed! Night Air attack on TF at 51,79 Japanese aircraft H8K Emily x 8 Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 10 Japanese aircraft losses H8K Emily: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged Allied aircraft losses F6F Hellcat: 1 damaged Allied Ships CVL Bataan CV Bunker Hill Aircraft Attacking: 2 x H8K Emily launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x H8K Emily launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Invasions Looks like Andy may invade both Aitape and Dagua - as suspected he landed at the biggest base first. 2 regiments there, so he met more opposition than expected me thinks! TF 1090 encounters mine field at Aitape (51,80) TF 1090 troops unloading over beach at Aitape, 51,80 Allied Ships MSW Buoyant MSW Saunter MSW Salute MSW Champion LCT LCT-324, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Allied ground losses: 28 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Coastal Guns at Aitape, 51,80, firing at TF 1090 1190 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. [8D] Allied Ships SC SC-1068, Shell hits 3, on fire LCVP 542G LCT LCT-367, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage LCT LCT-366 LCT LCT-362, Shell hits 1 LCT LCT-357, Shell hits 3 SC SC-1061, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage LCT LCT-351 LCT LCT-330, Shell hits 10 SC SC-707, Shell hits 26, on fire LCT LCT-324, on fire, heavy damage LCT LCT-321, Shell hits 3, on fire LCT LCT-141 CA Canberra, Shell hits 6 LCI LCI-402 MSW Buoyant, Shell hits 11, on fire LCI LCI-400, Shell hits 2 LCI LCI-218, Shell hits 3 LCI LCI-85, Shell hits 5, on fire MSW Saunter, Shell hits 8, on fire LST LST-471 MSW Salute, Shell hits 2, on fire MSW Champion, Shell hits 32 LST LST-81 LST LST-72 LST LST-39, Shell hits 3, on fire LST LST-21, Shell hits 1, on fire Japanese ground losses: 28 casualties reported Allied ground losses: 3088 casualties reported Guns lost 16 Vehicles lost 13 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1090 encounters mine field at Aitape (51,80) TF 1090 troops unloading over beach at Aitape, 51,80 Allied Ships MSW Buoyant MSW Saunter, on fire MSW Salute MSW Champion AK Empire Ridley, Mine hits 1, on fire Coastal Guns at Aitape, 51,80, firing at TF 1090 169 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied Ships AP Empress of Asia, Shell hits 13, on fire LST LST-39, Shell hits 2, on fire AK Empire Ridley, Shell hits 2, on fire Allied ground losses: 389 casualties reported Vehicles lost 3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1113 encounters mine field at Aitape (51,80) TF 1113 troops unloading over beach at Aitape, 51,80 Allied Ships MSW Tumult MSW Cootamundra MSW Pirie Coastal Guns at Aitape, 51,80, firing at TF 1113 27 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied Ships DE Elden LCT LCT-177 SC SC-1069, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage Allied ground losses: 123 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air Combat Enemy carriers launched heavy air strikes against Dagua! Day Air attack on 12th/B Division, at 51,80 Allied aircraft TBM Avenger x 97 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 118 casualties reported Guns lost 3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 12th/C Division, at 51,80 Allied aircraft TBM Avenger x 144 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 174 casualties reported Guns lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 18th/C Division, at 51,81 Allied aircraft FM-2 Wildcat x 16 Corsair IV x 4 TBM Avenger x 42 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 14 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 18th/C Division, at 51,81 Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 142 SB2C Helldiver x 315 - ouch! No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 410 casualties reported Guns lost 5 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A few smaller raids failed to penetrate the LR uber cap over Aitape! Day Air attack on TF, near Aitape at 51,80 Japanese aircraft Ki-21 Sally x 4 Allied aircraft Kittyhawk III x 10 P-40N Warhawk x 5 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21 Sally: 4 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Aitape at 51,80 Japanese aircraft Ki-21 Sally x 13 Allied aircraft Kittyhawk III x 10 P-40N Warhawk x 5 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21 Sally: 13 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Kittyhawk III: 2 damaged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Aitape at 51,80 Japanese aircraft G4M1 Betty x 3 Allied aircraft Kittyhawk III x 10 P-40N Warhawk x 5 Japanese aircraft losses G4M1 Betty: 3 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Aitape at 51,80 Japanese aircraft G4M1 Betty x 3 Allied aircraft Kittyhawk III x 10 P-40N Warhawk x 5 Japanese aircraft losses G4M1 Betty: 3 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 52,80 Japanese aircraft G4M1 Betty x 2 Allied aircraft FM-2 Wildcat x 55 F6F Hellcat x 13 Corsair IV x 12 Japanese aircraft losses G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F6F Hellcat: 1 damaged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground Combat A large NZ LCU has been landed together with tanks and supporting units. Ground combat at Aitape Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 12673 troops, 91 guns, 2 vehicles Defending force 25065 troops, 231 guns, 185 vehicles ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Close Call! [image]local://upfiles/1466/D86C5C37953B44E9ACB7430A51ECA2F9.gif[/image]

PzB74 -> Aitape invaded! (3/15/2006 2:20:11 AM)
As the situation unfolds the might enemy armada runs into problems...it will soon become dispersed and damaged ships will become vulnerable as they retreat. The strain of keeping a large CAP over several bases + protecting the carriers AND launching ground attacks will also inflict casualties and fatigue. Strong air units will be made available for strikes. I'm moving the Combined Fleet back to Ulithi - some 800 ac can be brought into action but I'm more interested in the surface combat opportunities. 10 battleships, a dozen cruisers and 30 destroyers can be made available. Biak and Noemfoor are my primary airfields (size 4) within range of the enemy fleets. What do you think gentlemen? Aitape Invaded [image]local://upfiles/1466/CB44A3920D84400994BED136133A27F3.gif[/image]

pauk -> RE: Aitape invaded! (3/15/2006 7:16:28 AM)
IMO, if you going to face with the enemy you need combined strike: using SC and CVs. The main problem if you using only surface ships is that Andy can intercept you - he need to move his CV's northeast of invaded base (and by day phase your fleet is in range of his Avengers). Ok, you can count on night surface interception on his CV but this is more than pure luck[:)]. Both solutions is too risky, so i would wait till Andy come to bases in northern Guinea (which you can't affort to loose just like that) - you will have support from several lvl 4 AFs... I know that is very tempting to attack his transports but you are right... Andy plays right in your hands. After he capture these bases he will need a tons of supply to keep bases operational - and it is looong way from his supply sources.... It would be perfect that you delay him few more months (until Franks arrive) and then strike him at Northern Guinea....

BossGnome -> RE: Aitape invaded! (3/15/2006 7:41:28 AM)
yeah, I mean, is new guinea really that vital? Takig Aitape opens up the door to... nothing. You said it yourself, its only a lvl 1 airfield! Do NOT go through the big ocean space between palau and Aitape to strike at him. If you will strike, go from western new Guinea, and hug the coastline.

FeurerKrieg -> RE: Aitape invaded! (3/15/2006 8:17:04 AM)
I don't pipe up much, but I agree with Pauk and gnome, don't risk your vital assets in a place that doesn't take advantage of all those nice lvl 4 airfield closer to the PI and farther north NG. For now stick with the massed night air attacks and suicide subs!

PzB74 -> RE: Aitape invaded! (3/16/2006 1:47:36 AM)
Thx for the input! I agree with your assessment... Loads of enemy troops came ashore at Dagua today. I do have plans though: if the enemy fleet withdraws from central NG the bases will become extremely vulnerable to bombardment attacks. So this is what we'll do: Dozens of cheap cargo ships and small minesweepers and barges will swarm towards Aitape and Dagua. This will attract a lot of attention from the carriers and make them launch multiple strikes. In the end they will have to withdraw to replenish. Then our battleships can move in and prepare the way for naval bomber attacks. IF we can isolate an enemy carrier TF the KB will stand by at Ulithi and be able to make a quick sprint and wreck havoc. It's all about waiting for the right moment and I think all opportunities should be studied closely and preparations made just in case. AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/08/44 Bombardments Another two inefficient bombardments! Naval bombardment of Dagua, at 51,81 Allied Ships BB New Jersey BB Iowa Japanese ground losses: 12 casualties reported Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 14 Port hits 2 Port supply hits 5 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Dagua, at 51,81 Allied Ships BB Washington BB Idaho DD Schroeder DD Marshall DD Saufley DD Halligan DD Remey DD Hopewell DD Haraden DD Hall Airbase hits 1 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 31 Port hits 2 Port supply hits 4 Invasions 38k troops unloaded at Dagua - in all some 75k troops have been landed in two days. Andy really brought his arsenal. Well, I don't mind - they're kinda bugged in between my major bases and I'm planning to make a bit of fuss [;)] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1116 encounters mine field at Aitape (51,80) TF 1116 troops unloading over beach at Aitape, 51,80 Allied Ships DMS Boggs DMS Long DMS Chandler DMS Elliot MSW Robin MSW Pirie MSW Cootamundra MSW Tumult DD Barton DD Nicholson DE Elden Coastal Guns at Aitape, 51,80, firing at TF 1116 12 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied Ships DD McCalla DD Barton DD Helm Allied ground losses: 122 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Coastal Guns at Dagua, 51,81, firing at TF 1134 TF 1134 encounters mine field at Dagua (51,81) TF 1134 troops unloading over beach at Dagua, 51,81 8 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied Ships LCT LCT-462 LCT LCT-461 LCT LCT-379 LCT LCT-378 LCT LCT-376 LCT LCT-373 LCT LCT-372 LCI LCI-524 LCI LCI-522, Shell hits 1 Allied ground losses: 1034 casualties reported Guns lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1116 encounters mine field at Aitape (51,80) TF 1116 troops unloading over beach at Aitape, 51,80 Allied Ships DMS Boggs DMS Long DMS Chandler DMS Elliot MSW Robin MSW Pirie MSW Cootamundra MSW Tumult DD Helm, Mine hits 1, on fire DD Warrington DD Caldwell DD Barton DD Nicholson DD McCalla -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1134 encounters mine field at Dagua (51,81) TF 1134 troops unloading over beach at Dagua, 51,81 1 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied Ships LCT LCT-464 Allied ground losses: 153 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1138 encounters mine field at Dagua (51,81) TF 1138 troops unloading over beach at Dagua, 51,81 Allied Ships MSW Bobolink MSW Zeal MSW Token MSW Gympie MSW Ararat DD Miller DD McCord Coastal Guns at Dagua, 51,81, firing at TF 1138 Allied Ships DD Isherwood LCVP 542K LCM 542A LCT LCT-474 LCT LCT-350 LCI LCI-448 LCI LCI-447 LCI LCI-328 LST LST-353 DD Knapp CA Salt Lake City LST LST-124 LST LST-86 Japanese ground losses: 24 casualties reported Allied ground losses: 1311 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1139 encounters mine field at Dagua (51,81) TF 1139 troops unloading over beach at Dagua, 51,81 13 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied Ships DE Duffy DD Downes LCM 592E LCVP 532F LCT LCT-327, Shell hits 1 LCT LCT-323, Shell hits 1 LCT LCT-180 LCT LCT-160 LCI LCI-62 Japanese ground losses: 35 casualties reported Allied ground losses: 1006 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Coastal Guns at Aitape, 51,80, firing at TF 1162 TF 1162 troops unloading over beach at Aitape, 51,80 Allied ground losses: 140 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air Combat Put some outdated Zeros over Dagua as a nuisance and ordered a small coastal defense unit flown in. Cost me quite a few ac..but it's worth a try. Day Air attack on Dagua , at 51,81 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 10 Allied aircraft Boomerang II x 18 P-40N Warhawk x 27 P-38J Lightning x 29 B-25J Mitchell x 21 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 23 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Boomerang II: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged P-40N Warhawk: 1 destroyed Aircraft Attacking: 18 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Kavieng , at 61,86 Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft F4U-1 Corsair x 15 P-38J Lightning x 27 B-25J Mitchell x 59 PB4Y Liberator x 12 B-24J Liberator x 46 Japanese aircraft losses G4M2 Betty: 3 destroyed Allied aircraft losses B-25J Mitchell: 1 damaged PB4Y Liberator: 1 destroyed B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 35 casualties reported Airbase hits 22 Airbase supply hits 6 Runway hits 130 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground Combat Ground combat at Aitape - perhaps this place can hold on for a while!? Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 12694 troops, 96 guns, 2 vehicles Defending force 26804 troops, 235 guns, 182 vehicles -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Dagua - with all these troops this place is toast...only a size 1(1) af though. Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 4087 troops, 9 guns, 0 vehicles Defending force 31851 troops, 437 guns, 35 vehicles Allied ground losses: 30 casualties reported Guns lost 2 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- More landings! [image]local://upfiles/1466/EA63638AB8B14396BE1A9C3C69B90921.gif[/image]

Fishbed -> RE: Aitape invaded! (3/16/2006 3:08:42 AM)
You have good chances of success PzB, but I fear Andy may find it a little... gamey, and he'll be right I guess, don't you think so? [&:] If you really want to use these assets together with a real operation, why not using some transports for an attack behind enemy lines? I guess Andy has every single rifleman on the NG beaches right now - this may leave some bases with only a base force or so maybe... And with all naval assets commited to NG, this kind of actions will slow him down at lower cost... A invasion TF may even force him to split his CV for rapid response or so... Not to mention if he risks himself to detach a surface action group from the air umbrella [:)]

Rob Brennan UK -> RE: Aitape invaded! (3/16/2006 3:54:03 AM)
I kind of agree with fishbed it is a little gamey .. BUT as he has been using PT's unrealistically .. well .. why cant you ?

CapAndGown -> RE: Aitape invaded! (3/16/2006 6:04:35 AM)
I don't think the problem is gamey-ness. The real problem is that it probably wont work. The AI is programed to concentrate on the highest value targets. Your surface group would be the focus of attack regardless of all these other targets. Normally players complain when they can't tell their bombers to concentrate on transports. In this case I am sure that Andy would be happy that the game is coded the way it is. [:'(]

skrewball -> RE: Aitape invaded! (3/16/2006 8:21:02 AM)
You know...I am literally on the edge of my seat waiting to see how this ends. Do you think its possible we can take up a collection from the forums, so Andy and PzB don't have to work anymore and can just play WiTP all day long? [:D]

WhoCares -> RE: Aitape invaded! (3/16/2006 10:35:01 AM)
Alternatively you might run an operation 'Running Sushi' - take Kitakami and/or Oi along with a small but torpedo-rich escort, like two or three Fubukis, and try to run them into the enemy bombardment fleet at night. Maybe only two ships, seeing that his bombardments only have 2xBB and DDs. Your ships would get matched up against the BBs and might hit with a few fishes [sm=00000622.gif] For sure a Kamikaze mission, but when you manage to take some of his battlewagons out of the fight for a couple of month it might be worth it. You might assign the southernmost base on NG as their home base to get out of range of his CVs, but this would bring you closer to his LBA... Of course, a lot also depends on the captains and the TF commander to go in and primarily use torpedos - if you only had a list of previous engagements with a good use of torpedos [8\|]

PzB74 -> Dagua falls! (3/16/2006 7:47:02 PM)
I'm not worried about gameyness here: my barges are following an AP that provides fuel. All LST and other smaller Allied landing crafts types are also following this procedure. A few days ago Andy sent his PT boats from Mussaie Island and all the way to Truk. They had to hike back home. Using old hulks to mislead enemy spotter planes is also a valid enough strategy - confusion to your enemies [;)] Landing troops behind Andys lines is not an option Fishbed, LBA will crush both ships and troops before they can achieve anything. I do have several cunning plans however. Almost diverted the KB south to intercept enemy ships at Aitape today. Since all of Andys cv strike planes took off today they're all fatiged AND it's also possible that they're all set to ground attack. Couldn't take the risk though - 400 Hellcats would have decimated our strike planes if our carriers reacted towards the enemy birdfarms. I'm more for a long lance attack ala WhoCares proposal: let's see how tings unfold. Yes please Skrewball, 50k US$ and I'd become a full time addict [:D] Dagua fell today, Aitape is next! I'm expecting major bombardment and air strikes over the next couple of days. Let's see if we can give Andy a scare [8D] AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/09/44 Bombardments Lots of battle wagons here - results are poor! Naval bombardment of Dagua, at 51,81 Allied Ships DD Swanson DD Sigsbee DD Walker DD David Taylor BB New Jersey BB Iowa DD Schroeder DD Saufley DD Remey DD Marshall DD Hopewell DD Haraden DD Halligan DD Hall BB Washington BB Idaho Japanese ground losses: 70 casualties reported Guns lost 5 Runway hits 5 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Invasions TF 1018 encounters mine field at Dagua (51,81) TF 1018 troops unloading over beach at Dagua, 51,81 Allied Ships AK Vitus Bering, Mine hits 1, on fire Coastal Guns at Dagua, 51,81, firing at TF 1018 22 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied ground losses: 283 casualties reported Vehicles lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Coastal Guns at Aitape, 51,80, firing at TF 1162 TF 1162 troops unloading over beach at Aitape, 51,80 8 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied Ships DD Guest Allied ground losses: 24 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Coastal Guns at Dagua, 51,81, firing at TF 1018 TF 1018 encounters mine field at Dagua (51,81) TF 1018 troops unloading over beach at Dagua, 51,81 17 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied Ships AP Cape Neddick Allied ground losses: 176 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Coastal Guns at Aitape, 51,80, firing at TF 1162 TF 1162 troops unloading over beach at Aitape, 51,80 Allied ground losses: 36 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air Combat Day Air attack on Aitape , at 51,80 Allied aircraft P-38J Lightning x 16 PB4Y Liberator x 11 B-24J Liberator x 35 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 12 casualties reported Port hits 7 Port supply hits 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Look at this giant strike...all cv strike ac put on ground attack! Tempts me. Day Air attack on 51st Road Construction Battalion, at 51,81 Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 115 SB2C Helldiver x 314 TBM Avenger x 263 No Allied losses -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 51st Road Construction Battalion, at 51,81 Allied aircraft F4U-1D Corsair x 18 Kittyhawk III x 10 Beaufighter Mk 21 x 7 P-40N Warhawk x 13 P-47D Thunderbolt x 8 B-25J Mitchell x 21 PB4Y Liberator x 7 B-24J Liberator x 25 No Allied losses -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 51st Road Construction Battalion, at 51,81 Allied aircraft A-20G Havoc x 10 B-24J Liberator x 31 No Allied losses -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Some Bettys took off and headed for the bobmardment group at Dagua! Day Air attack on TF, near Dagua at 51,81 Japanese aircraft G4M2 Betty x 2 Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 7 Kittyhawk III x 6 P-38J Lightning x 11 Japanese aircraft losses G4M2 Betty: 2 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Dagua at 51,81 Japanese aircraft - one got through! G4M2 Betty x 6 Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 14 Kittyhawk III x 6 P-38J Lightning x 11 Japanese aircraft losses G4M2 Betty: 5 destroyed Allied Ships BB Idaho Aircraft Attacking: 1 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground Combat Ground combat at Aitape Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 19925 troops, 215 guns, 66 vehicles Defending force 13301 troops, 95 guns, 2 vehicles Japanese ground losses: 236 casualties reported Guns lost 7 Vehicles lost 1 Allied ground losses: 11 casualties reported Guns lost 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Dagua - massive overkill! Allied Shock attack Attacking force 34338 troops, 486 guns, 58 vehicles Defending force 4417 troops, 26 guns, 2 vehicles Allied assault odds: 34 to 1 (fort level 4) Allied forces CAPTURE Dagua base !!! Japanese ground losses: 405 casualties reported Guns lost 12 Vehicles lost 1 Allied ground losses: 76 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Defeated Japanese Units Retreating! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

PzB74 -> RE: Dagua falls! (3/16/2006 8:59:40 PM)
Andy moved his carriers north of Aitape and this has consequences... AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/10/44 Bombardments This HUGE bombardment group was left without CAP and I had 100+ Bettys on naval attack. 3 bombers attack the Iowa. I was cheated big time today! Naval bombardment of Aitape, at 51,80 Allied Ships DD Swanson DD Walker DD David Taylor DD Sigsbee DD Schroeder DD Saufley DD Remey DD Marshall DD Hopewell DD Haraden DD Halligan DD Hall BB New Jersey BB Iowa BB Washington BB Idaho Japanese ground losses: 429 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Airbase hits 2 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 35 Port hits 11 Port supply hits 28 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air Combat Bad weather grounded Andy's CAP in the AM turn and I was euphoric. 120-150 Bettys were on naval attack. Unfortunately the bombers didn't target the high value battleships but hit numerous transports. Soo close [:(] Day Air attack on TF, near Aitape at 51,80 Japanese aircraft G4M2 Betty x 29 Japanese aircraft losses G4M2 Betty: 3 damaged Allied Ships MSW Tanager, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage AK Edgar Allan Poe, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage AK Benjamin Franklin, Torpedo hits 1 AK John C. Calhoun -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Aitape at 51,80 Japanese aircraft - 3!!! Bettys target the great Iowa, why oh why [&:] G4M2 Betty x 3 Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 5 Japanese aircraft losses G4M2 Betty: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged Allied Ships BB Iowa Aircraft Attacking: 2 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Aitape at 51,80 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 20 Ki-21 Sally x 9 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21 Sally: 3 damaged Allied Ships AK David F. Barry LST LST-447 AK Prominent, Bomb hits 2, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Aitape at 51,80 Japanese aircraft G4M2 Betty x 21 Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 40 Japanese aircraft losses G4M2 Betty: 1 destroyed, 11 damaged Allied Ships AK Mary A. Livermore AK Robert S. Bean, Torpedo hits 1, on fire AP Du Page AP Katoomba, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage AK Asphalion, Torpedo hits 1, on fire AK David F. Barry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Aitape at 51,80 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 3 Ki-21 Sally x 6 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21 Sally: 4 damaged Allied Ships AK John M. Clayton AK John Drake Sloat -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another huuge enemy carrier ground strike - without escorts! Day Air attack on Aitape , at 51,80 Japanese aircraft Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 4 Allied aircraft SB2C Helldiver x 215 TBM Avenger x 214 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 1 damaged Allied aircraft losses SB2C Helldiver: 2 damaged TBM Avenger: 2 damaged Japanese ground losses: 12 casualties reported Airbase hits 3 Airbase supply hits 3 Runway hits 36 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My 'decoy ships' attracts a lot of attention [:D] Day Air attack on TF at 52,75 Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 130 SB2C Helldiver x 33 No Allied losses Japanese Ships AK Yanagigawa, Bomb hits 8, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 52,75 Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 8 SB2C Helldiver x 26 No Allied losses Japanese Ships AK Yanagigawa, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 51,75 Allied aircraft TBM Avenger x 17 No Allied losses Japanese Ships AK Muko Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 51,75 Allied aircraft SB2C Helldiver x 31 No Allied losses Japanese Ships AK Muko Maru, Bomb hits 7, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 50,75 Allied aircraft TBM Avenger x 29 No Allied losses Japanese Ships AK Natsukawa Maru, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In the PM phase Andy's carriers are yet again ready for operations and - of course - my naval bombers committs suicide against the uber CAP! [:@] Day Air attack on TF at 50,79 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 21 Ki-21 Sally x 7 Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 295 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zeke: 21 destroyed Ki-21 Sally: 7 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 50,79 Japanese aircraft G4M2 Betty x 19 Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 31 Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 295 Japanese aircraft losses G4M2 Betty: 18 destroyed Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 31 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F6F Hellcat: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Aitape at 51,80 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 3 Ki-21 Sally x 6 Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 22 F4U-1 Corsair x 10 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zeke: 1 destroyed Ki-21 Sally: 6 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F6F Hellcat: 1 damaged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Aitape at 51,80 Japanese aircraft G4M2 Betty x 3 Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 22 F4U-1 Corsair x 10 Japanese aircraft losses G4M2 Betty: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F4U-1 Corsair: 1 damaged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 50,79 Japanese aircraft G4M2 Betty x 23 Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 3 Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 252 F4U-1 Corsair x 13 Japanese aircraft losses G4M2 Betty: 23 destroyed Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 3 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F6F Hellcat: 3 damaged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground Combat Ground combat at Aitape Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 20057 troops, 217 guns, 66 vehicles Defending force 11605 troops, 55 guns, 0 vehicles Japanese ground losses: 42 casualties reported Guns lost 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Situation Map: Central New Guinea If the game had allowed to specify targets for naval bombers things would have been soo different. Since a carrier group with uber CAP is always the preferred target all Jap attack squadrons will automatically committ suicide instead of sinking large numbers of enemy transports and warships - even when unprotected. I have to swallow hard every now and then to digest the dissappointment.... We just have to continue trying, one day Andy will be $hit out of luck [:-] [image]local://upfiles/1466/8CCFFA1AEDDF4C2F86285B5AA55CE784.gif[/image]

PzB74 -> Aitape falls! (3/17/2006 1:05:57 AM)
Andy said he was a little lucky yesterday...understatement if there ever was one [8\|] I stood down most of my bombers - sending most of the squadrons back to China to receive reinforcements. The enemy carriers continue to launch vicious strikes - if I could afford to loose some carriers and ships I would have risked a counter strike supported by massive amounts of naval bombers now. Unfortunately I have to be patient. Andy is running into a lot of problems even against lightly defended targets. There will be lots of opportunities. As soon as the US carriers moves away we will attempt to disrupt the enemy buildup of Aitape and Dagua. 5 new army mixed brigades arrived today, I'm going to send em all to Northern New Guinea. Forts there are growing strong. Question: should I withdraw parts of the Hansa and Wewak garrisons or leave them there? Don't want these large bases to fall into enemy hands. AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/11/44 Sub/ASW Attacks -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 36,49 Japanese Ships PC Ch 19 PC Shonan Maru #2 PC Kyo Maru #7 PC Kanju PC Etoforu Allied Ships SS Pompon, hits 3, on fire, heavy damage sinks -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bombardments Naval bombardment of Aitape, at 51,80 Allied Ships DD Swanson DD Walker DD David Taylor DD Sigsbee DD Schroeder DD Saufley DD Remey DD Marshall DD Hopewell DD Haraden DD Halligan DD Hall BB New Jersey BB Iowa BB Washington BB Idaho Japanese ground losses: 17 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Runway hits 11 Port hits 2 Port supply hits 6 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air Combat Another large carrier strike... Day Air attack on TF at 51,76 Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 128 SB2C Helldiver x 64 No Allied losses Japanese Ships AK Saiko Maru, Bomb hits 8, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 54,78 Allied aircraft TBM Avenger x 16 Allied aircraft losses TBM Avenger: 1 damaged Japanese Ships AK Durban Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 54,78 Allied aircraft SB2C Helldiver x 29 No Allied losses Japanese Ships AK Durban Maru, Bomb hits 8, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Must be running low on carrier strikes by now... Day Air attack on Aitape , at 51,80 Allied aircraft SB2C Helldiver x 265 TBM Avenger x 240 No Allied losses Airbase hits 5 Airbase supply hits 3 Runway hits 41 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 53,76 Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 123 SB2C Helldiver x 31 TBM Avenger x 11 No Allied losses Japanese Ships AK Madras Maru, Bomb hits 15, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My Bettys at Wake is a thorn in Andy's side! Day Air attack on TF at 86,68 Japanese aircraft G4M2 Betty x 21 Japanese aircraft losses G4M2 Betty: 12 damaged Allied Ships AP Elmore, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage AP Sheridan, Torpedo hits 1, on fire AP Thomas Jefferson, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No openings here.. Day Air attack on TF, near Aitape at 51,80 Japanese aircraft G4M2 Betty x 15 Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 30 F4U-1 Corsair x 12 P-38J Lightning x 8 Japanese aircraft losses G4M2 Betty: 15 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F4U-1 Corsair: 1 damaged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground Combat Aitape can't hold off the enemy shock attack! Ground combat at Aitape Allied Shock attack Attacking force 26317 troops, 247 guns, 195 vehicles Defending force 11124 troops, 43 guns, 0 vehicles Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 1 Allied assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 1) Allied forces CAPTURE Aitape base !!! Japanese ground losses: 268 casualties reported Guns lost 3 Allied ground losses: 391 casualties reported Guns lost 9 Defeated Japanese Units Retreating! -----------------------------------------------------------------

timtom -> RE: Dagua falls! (3/17/2006 2:45:48 PM)
It's not for me to tell you how to play your game - that's between you and your opponent (-s[;)]). Still, I have to say I don't agree with your line of reasoning, but then again I'm a bit of a purist. Gamey = exploiting flaws/loopholes in the programming to create unrealistic situations/outcomes. quote: ORIGINAL: PzB I'm not worried about gameyness here: my barges are following an AP that provides fuel. All LST and other smaller Allied landing crafts types are also following this procedure. A few days ago Andy sent his PT boats from Mussaie Island and all the way to Truk. They had to hike back home. Two wrongs doesn't make a right. Why not communicate your dissatisfaction to Andy (or blow the PT's out of the water with some strafing fighters)? Responding to gameyness with gameyness can only lead to more gameyness, I should think. quote: ORIGINAL: PzB Using old hulks to mislead enemy spotter planes is also a valid enough strategy - confusion to your enemies. That's not what you're doing. You're exploiting the fact that the targeting routine can't distinguish between KB and a lone AP. This tactic only makes sense if you're hoping to tricker a full strike from the CV's. In reality, your decoys would most likely either be ignored or have a flight send their way, not be subject to series of uber-strikes. quote: ORIGINAL: PzB If the game had allowed to specify targets for naval bombers things would have been soo different. Since a carrier group with uber CAP is always the preferred target all Jap attack squadrons will automatically committ suicide instead of sinking large numbers of enemy transports and warships - even when unprotected...I have to swallow hard every now and then to digest the dissappointment. Yet later you lament the very same inflexible target routines that you're at the same time hoping to exploit. Seems to me that someone is trying to have his cake and eat it too. Anyways, it's about having fun, and whatever works for you, works for you. Regards, Tom

PzB74 -> RE: Dagua falls! (3/17/2006 4:04:27 PM)
You're right TimTom - at times I wish the game would work better and feel a bit resigned when it doesn't. At the same time me and Andy don't want to impose dozens of strict house rules regarding how to micro manage our assets. I don't have to worry all too much about enemy subs because they're getting sapped by super asw ac and at the same time Andy doesn't need more than 2 destroyers to escort hundreds of ships in his trans-pacific convoys because my subs refuse to attack even unescorted troop ships. As the Allied side gets more and more ships and ac the odds will stack up against Japan and since my bombers and later on - kamikazes - will be next to useless against an enemy uber CAP I have to come up with new ideas. It's just as much a trial of will and a contest of improvisation as anything else. The plan to send out cargo ships to distract enemy attention was mostly a test: when the big invasion of the PI or Marianas/Palaus takes place later on in 44 I will consider a more cunning approach. Tankers were often mistaken for carriers and so on. In 1944 Japan could ill afford to loose more of them. In this game the situation is quite different. If I can manage to hide my intentions long enough it may be possible to delay the inevitable for just a little bit longer there will still be hope! Japan actually sacrificed her carriers to lure the Americans away from Leyte in October 1944 - that's the kind of effect I will try to achive by sending several cargo/tanker convoys into the battlefield. Barges and PT boats can only be attacked by fighters, going to keep my barges in coastal waters. (Putting fighters at Rabaul is too risky - the place is bombed every now and then..and each time 90% of all ac there are incinerated) But rest assured, both me and Andy wish to keep thing as realistic as possible; but it is also ESSENTIAL to maintain a high degree of playability as well. We play this game because it's fun - not because we feel obliged to. How many 1600 turns AAR games have you found on the forums!? [;)]

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