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PzB74 -> RE: Dagua falls! (3/18/2006 1:51:38 AM)
Andy is pleased: Aitape fell and his objectives have been accomplished! Most of his fleet is heading back towards Rabaul. It's time to kick him in the nuts.... AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/12/44 Air Combat Massive air strikes against bases in NG! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Hollandia , at 49,79 Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft P-38J Lightning x 47 B-24J Liberator x 103 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21 Sally: 3 destroyed H8K Emily: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 31 casualties reported Airbase hits 17 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 103 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Wewak , at 52,81 Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft F4U-1 Corsair x 31 P-40N Warhawk x 7 P-38J Lightning x 21 P-47D Thunderbolt x 14 B-25J Mitchell x 52 PB4Y Liberator x 12 B-24J Liberator x 35 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 2 destroyed Ki-46-III Dinah: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses B-25J Mitchell: 5 damaged B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 57 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Airbase hits 26 Airbase supply hits 7 Runway hits 125 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Kavieng , at 61,86 Allied aircraft F4U-1 Corsair x 15 Kittyhawk III x 10 P-38J Lightning x 9 B-25J Mitchell x 51 PB4Y Liberator x 9 B-24J Liberator x 36 No Allied losses Airbase hits 7 Airbase supply hits 4 Runway hits 139 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Wewak , at 52,81 Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 34 F4U-1 Corsair x 19 SB2C Helldiver x 304 TBM Avenger x 17 Spitfire VIII x 6 Kittyhawk III x 6 P-38J Lightning x 9 P-47D Thunderbolt x 9 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 3 destroyed Allied aircraft losses SB2C Helldiver: 2 destroyed, 24 damaged TBM Avenger: 2 damaged Japanese ground losses: 206 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Airbase hits 17 Airbase supply hits 3 Runway hits 217 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 57,85 Japanese aircraft G4M2 Betty x 3 Allied aircraft Corsair IV x 9 Japanese aircraft losses G4M2 Betty: 1 damaged Allied Ships LST LST-78, Torpedo hits 1, on fire ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Andy Driver Since Aitape and Dagua are lightly CAP'ed and crawling with enemy shipping we will strike - hard! Can't afford a $crewup so I need a plan that's as watertight as a mermaid's brassiere. Da plan: 2 surface combat groups with 17 destroyers, 2 light and a heavy cruiser will attack shipping at Aitape while a powerful bombardment force including 2 Kongo class battleships, 1 heavy and one light cruiser will bombard and take out most defending fighters. The enemy ships that survive the onslaught will be driven out of port and finished of by the KB. Nagumo and Yamaguchi sorties from Ulithi with the KB escorted by an asw group and a surface combat TF. The fleet will race to a point 5 hexes short of both Aitape and Dagua. Targets will be plentiful and Andys carriers long gone - if not I'm dead... The carriers headed south today and launched another 400 ac ground attack. Hellcats got a max range of 4 hexes, so it's safe to assume that they're out of the way. LRCAP from various bases will provide extra cover for my TFs. Weather forecast: CLEAR All is set - let's see what happends - time to kick a$$ and chew bubblegum again [:D] [image]local://upfiles/1466/8249D1829B064CA89721623364168DFF.gif[/image]

Fishbed -> RE: Dagua falls! (3/18/2006 4:39:35 AM)
quote: It's time to kick him in the nuts.... Eric Cartman!! Get out of this body, you goddam big-boned scum! [:D] [;)]

ny59giants -> RE: Dagua falls! (3/18/2006 5:12:09 AM)
Since some of us read both AAR's, please hit the Fast Forward button and get this Mini-Jutland with CV's started...[:D][:D]

PzB74 -> Mermaids brassiere is NOT watertight! (3/18/2006 8:50:18 AM)
On my way to Stavanger to find a new apartment...so here's the combat txt only! I was certain that this was the ripe opportunity to even the odds a bit. Somehow Andy must have gotten hold of our intentions and turned his entire fleet turned around. The place was again bristling with destroyers and carriers [:(] In perfect position - 4 hexes from our fleet, all enemy carriers reacted 2 hexes and launched devastating counter strikes. The dreaded uber CAP awaited the KB - ALL attacking and defending ac shot down by Hellcats. ALL carriers disabled or sunk by enemy strike. Not ONE crack pilot got through to hit enemy fleets. The consequences of this is much worse than Midway and the Marianas Turkey shoot put together. The battle was so one sided that I simply pressed the end turn. Some 600 Jap ac lost against 200 enemy fighters and bombers. The cream of the navy has been destroyed. I gambled - and lost! Gentlemen: I'm sorry to have failed you, the Empire has been dealt a mortal blow [&o] All praise to Andy and his death machine! As Wobbly took the consequences of the fall of his Empires crown jewel - so will I. Realizing that resistance is futile the CinC will offer his appologies and resignation to the Emperor! [:'(] Since I'm starting in a new and demanding job as an IT Project coordinator in 2 weeks it is possible that I may use this opportunity to step back. There may be openings for new ambitious commanders to take over... ok, more comments when I return tonight. AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/13/44 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1170 encounters mine field at Dagua (51,81) Allied Ships AP Empire Tamar, Mine hits 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Aitape at 51,80 Japanese Ships CA Myoko, Shell hits 1 CL Kitakami, Shell hits 1 CL Yubari DD Natsushio, Shell hits 2 DD Hayashio, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Urakaze DD Nowaki, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire DD Natsugumo, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Minegumo, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Shinonome Allied Ships DD Hazelwood DD Hickox DD Hoel DD Hunt DD Mullany DD O'Bannon, Shell hits 1 DD Renshaw DD Wickes DD Stack DD Wilson DD Hatfield -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Aitape at 51,80 Japanese Ships CA Myoko, Shell hits 2 CL Kitakami, Shell hits 3 CL Yubari, Shell hits 1 DD Natsushio, Shell hits 4 DD Hayashio, on fire DD Urakaze, Shell hits 1 DD Nowaki, Shell hits 12, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk DD Natsugumo, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage DD Minegumo, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage DD Shinonome, Shell hits 2, on fire Allied Ships DD Hazelwood, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Hickox, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire DD Hoel DD Hunt DD Mullany, Shell hits 1 DD O'Bannon, Shell hits 3 DD Renshaw DD Wickes DD Stack DD Wilson, Shell hits 1 DD Hatfield -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Aitape at 51,80 Japanese Ships CL Oi, Shell hits 3 DD Tamanami DD Onami, Shell hits 3 DD Kishinami, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DD Hayanami, Shell hits 1 DD Hamanami, Shell hits 2, on fire DD Asashimo, Shell hits 2 DD Hatsukaze Allied Ships DD Hazelwood, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Hickox, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage DD Hoel, Shell hits 1 DD Hunt, Shell hits 3, on fire DD Mullany, Torpedo hits 1, on fire DD O'Bannon, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DD Renshaw DD Wickes, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk DD Stack DD Wilson DD Hatfield -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Aitape at 51,80 Japanese Ships BB Hiei BB Kirishima CA Aoba DD Akizuki DD Teruzuki DD Amagiri DD Hayate DD Yakaze DD Numakaze Allied Ships PT PT-129 PT PT-130 PT PT-131 PT PT-132 PT PT-133 PT PT-134, Shell hits 25, and is sunk PT PT-135 PT PT-136 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Aitape at 51,80 Japanese Ships BB Hiei BB Kirishima CA Aoba DD Akizuki DD Teruzuki DD Amagiri DD Hayate DD Yakaze DD Numakaze Allied Ships AK Benjamin Franklin, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage AK Francisco Coronado AK John C. Calhoun, Shell hits 18, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Aitape at 51,80 Japanese Ships BB Hiei BB Kirishima CA Aoba DD Akizuki DD Teruzuki DD Amagiri DD Hayate DD Yakaze DD Numakaze Allied Ships SC SC-1063 AK Floyd B. Olson AK Stephen H. Long AK Thomas M. Cooley, Shell hits 1 AK William W. Campbell, Shell hits 2 AK Empire Zephyr, Shell hits 11, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Allied ground losses: 26 casualties reported Vehicles lost 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Aitape at 51,80 Japanese Ships CL Oi DD Tamanami, Shell hits 2 DD Onami, Shell hits 3, on fire DD Kishinami, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk DD Hayanami, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DD Hamanami, on fire DD Asashimo, Shell hits 3 DD Hatsukaze Allied Ships PT PT-456 PT PT-457 PT PT-458 PT PT-459 PT PT-460 PT PT-461, Shell hits 6, and is sunk PT PT-488 PT PT-489 PT PT-490 PT PT-491 PT PT-492 PT PT-493 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Aitape, at 51,80 Japanese Ships CA Aoba BB Kirishima BB Hiei Allied ground losses: 218 casualties reported Guns lost 5 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 45,56 Japanese Ships PG Magan Maru Allied Ships SS Guardfish -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on IND IV Corps, at 22,3 Japanese aircraft Ki-21 Sally x 13 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 13 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 5000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 54 N1K1-J George x 54 D4Y Judy x 27 B6N Jill x 23 G4M2 Betty x 23 P1Y Frances x 43 Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 36 Ki-21 Sally x 23 Ki-48 Lily x 27 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 12 casualties reported Airbase hits 8 Airbase supply hits 3 Runway hits 120 Aircraft Attacking: 20 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 15000 feet 11 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 15000 feet 36 x Ki-61 KAIc Tony bombing at 2000 feet 27 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet 15 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 10000 feet 27 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet 27 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet 54 x N1K1-J George bombing at 2000 feet 15 x P1Y Frances bombing at 15000 feet 20 x P1Y Frances bombing at 15000 feet 23 x B6N Jill bombing at 10000 feet 6 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 10000 feet 3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 15000 feet 16 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 15000 feet 3 x P1Y Frances bombing at 15000 feet 2 x P1Y Frances bombing at 15000 feet 3 x P1Y Frances bombing at 15000 feet 2 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 10000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 27 A6M5 Zeke x 236 D4Y Judy x 45 P1Y Frances x 139 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 12 casualties reported Airbase hits 10 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 171 Aircraft Attacking: 27 x A6M2 Zero bombing at 2000 feet 27 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet 32 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet 27 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet 40 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet 15 x P1Y Frances bombing at 15000 feet 7 x P1Y Frances bombing at 15000 feet 13 x P1Y Frances bombing at 15000 feet 18 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet 4 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet 5 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet 8 x P1Y Frances bombing at 15000 feet 6 x P1Y Frances bombing at 15000 feet 4 x P1Y Frances bombing at 15000 feet 47 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet 37 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet 44 x A6M5 Zeke bombing at 2000 feet 15 x P1Y Frances bombing at 15000 feet 18 x P1Y Frances bombing at 15000 feet 8 x P1Y Frances bombing at 15000 feet 3 x P1Y Frances bombing at 15000 feet 3 x P1Y Frances bombing at 15000 feet 3 x P1Y Frances bombing at 15000 feet 3 x P1Y Frances bombing at 15000 feet 3 x P1Y Frances bombing at 15000 feet 3 x P1Y Frances bombing at 15000 feet 3 x P1Y Frances bombing at 15000 feet 3 x P1Y Frances bombing at 15000 feet 3 x P1Y Frances bombing at 15000 feet 3 x P1Y Frances bombing at 15000 feet 3 x P1Y Frances bombing at 15000 feet 3 x P1Y Frances bombing at 15000 feet 2 x P1Y Frances bombing at 15000 feet 4 x P1Y Frances bombing at 15000 feet 3 x P1Y Frances bombing at 15000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78 Allied aircraft Boomerang II x 12 Beaufighter Mk 21 x 31 P-40N Warhawk x 12 P-38J Lightning x 17 F-5A Lightning x 3 B-25J Mitchell x 41 Allied aircraft losses Beaufighter Mk 21: 4 damaged Japanese ground losses: 42 casualties reported Airbase hits 2 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 12 Port hits 4 Port supply hits 4 Aircraft Attacking: 9 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet 4 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet 8 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet 8 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet 8 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet 10 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet 15 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet 2 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet 2 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet 9 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 8000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Hollandia , at 49,79 Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft P-38J Lightning x 36 B-24J Liberator x 84 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21 Sally: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged Japanese ground losses: 47 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Airbase hits 9 Airbase supply hits 5 Runway hits 126 Aircraft Attacking: 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 15 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 8 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 10 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 9 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 4 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 4 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 2 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 2 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Wewak , at 52,81 Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft F4U-1 Corsair x 13 P-40N Warhawk x 6 P-38J Lightning x 25 P-47D Thunderbolt x 3 B-25J Mitchell x 41 PB4Y Liberator x 3 B-24J Liberator x 23 Japanese aircraft losses No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses B-25J Mitchell: 1 damaged B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged Japanese ground losses: 28 casualties reported Airbase hits 5 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 62 Aircraft Attacking: 18 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 13000 feet 11 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 13000 feet 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 13000 feet 6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 13000 feet 8 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 13000 feet 9 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 13000 feet 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 13000 feet 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 13000 feet 6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 13000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Kavieng , at 61,86 Allied aircraft F4U-1 Corsair x 24 Kittyhawk III x 8 P-38J Lightning x 12 B-25J Mitchell x 55 PB4Y Liberator x 10 B-24J Liberator x 37 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 31 casualties reported Airbase hits 5 Airbase supply hits 3 Runway hits 91 Aircraft Attacking: 9 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 20 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 8 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 7 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 4 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 12 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 6 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 4 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 2 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 5 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet 2 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 10000 feet 2 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 54,76 Japanese aircraft A6M2-N Rufe x 8 A6M2 Zero x 2 A6M5 Zeke x 131 Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 8 Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 139 SB2C Helldiver x 245 TBM Avenger x 66 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2-N Rufe: 8 destroyed A6M2 Zero: 21 destroyed A6M5 Zeke: 72 destroyed Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 58 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F6F Hellcat: 88 destroyed SB2C Helldiver: 29 destroyed, 48 damaged TBM Avenger: 8 destroyed, 31 damaged Japanese Ships CVL Ryujo, Bomb hits 11, on fire, heavy damage CV Shokaku, Bomb hits 1 CA Atago CV Zuikaku, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage CV Kaga, Bomb hits 19, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage CVL Chiyoda, Bomb hits 2, on fire CV Akagi, Bomb hits 3, on fire BB Kongo, Bomb hits 3, on fire Aircraft Attacking: 9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 5 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 3 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 6 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 5 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 2 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 5 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 8 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 5 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 6 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 1 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 5 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 1 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 8 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 8 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 8 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 2 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 8 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 54,76 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 30 Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 4 SB2C Helldiver x 31 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zeke: 3 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F6F Hellcat: 3 destroyed SB2C Helldiver: 2 destroyed, 8 damaged Japanese Ships CVL Ryujo, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage CV Shokaku, Bomb hits 7, on fire CV Akagi, Bomb hits 6, on fire Aircraft Attacking: 3 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 8 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 53,78 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 123 D4Y Judy x 119 B6N Jill x 90 Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 309 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zeke: 121 destroyed D4Y Judy: 97 destroyed B6N Jill: 80 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F6F Hellcat: 55 destroyed, 30 damaged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 53,78 Japanese aircraft B6N Jill x 48 Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 254 Japanese aircraft losses B6N Jill: 34 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 59,85 Japanese aircraft G4M2 Betty x 9 Japanese aircraft losses G4M2 Betty: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged Allied Ships CVE Natoma Bay CVE Kalinin Bay Aircraft Attacking: 2 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 53,78 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 11 D4Y Judy x 27 B6N Jill x 27 Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 254 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zeke: 11 destroyed D4Y Judy: 16 destroyed B6N Jill: 23 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F6F Hellcat: 5 destroyed, 1 damaged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 54,76 Japanese aircraft A6M2-N Rufe x 1 A6M2 Zero x 2 A6M5 Zeke x 17 Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 4 Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 72 SB2C Helldiver x 164 TBM Avenger x 107 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2-N Rufe: 1 destroyed A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed A6M5 Zeke: 16 destroyed Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 7 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F6F Hellcat: 13 destroyed, 4 damaged SB2C Helldiver: 3 destroyed, 12 damaged TBM Avenger: 6 destroyed, 40 damaged Japanese Ships CA Mikuma CV Taiho, Bomb hits 15, Torpedo hits 2, on fire CV Amagi, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage CL Tama, Bomb hits 7, on fire, heavy damage CVL Ryuho CV Unryu, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage BB Haruna, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage CV Katsuragi, Bomb hits 6, on fire CS Mizuho, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage Aircraft Attacking: 8 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 1 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 2 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 1 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 1 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 5 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 7 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 1 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 7 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 7 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 3 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 1 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 8 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 1 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 8 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 8 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 54,76 Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 5 TBM Avenger x 7 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zeke: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses TBM Avenger: 5 damaged Japanese Ships CV Amagi, on fire, heavy damage CVL Ryuho, Torpedo hits 1 Aircraft Attacking: 3 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 54,76 Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 8 SB2C Helldiver x 8 TBM Avenger x 17 Allied aircraft losses SB2C Helldiver: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged TBM Avenger: 9 damaged Japanese Ships BB Haruna, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage CVL Ryuho Aircraft Attacking: 1 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 7 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet 4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 53,78 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 14 D4Y Judy x 6 Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 172 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zeke: 14 destroyed D4Y Judy: 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F6F Hellcat: 4 destroyed, 2 damaged

castor troy -> RE: Mermaids brassiere is NOT watertight! (3/18/2006 9:54:57 AM)
Oh my god! [8\|][X(]

skrewball -> RE: Mermaids brassiere is NOT watertight! (3/18/2006 10:38:56 AM)
I....I....I can't even think of anything to say [X(]

Sneer -> RE: Dagua falls! (3/18/2006 10:58:39 AM)
and not even single plane went through a cap to attack / get shot down by flak [&:][&:][&:][&:][&:] result is weird I'll understand if you resign from this game

veji1 -> RE: Dagua falls! (3/18/2006 11:44:10 AM)
Arghh....;; Don't know what to say... At least now you can focus on real life... Still, would it have been different had you been playing with Niks mod ? You would certainly have lost that battle, but maybe not all carriers, and have damaged or sunk quite a few... god... This kills half the expectation I have for this whole board... I hope we win in rugby otherwise it'll be a crappy Week End...

Honda -> RE: Dagua falls! (3/18/2006 4:33:19 PM)
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pauk -> RE: Dagua falls! (3/18/2006 4:45:31 PM)
[:(] o my God.... (but this would happen sooner or later, anyway). I understand your position, however keep in mind that lessons from your AAR are priceless, imortal and maybe will (hopefully) have impact for the future patches. It would be nice if you could continue game...

aztez -> RE: Mermaids brassiere is NOT watertight! (3/18/2006 4:46:46 PM)
I think the game should go on. UBER CAP or not the biggest problem with the PBEM's is the fact that once allied player can give some payback most of these games stop. Since Wobbly & co. took repeat beatings I think the Japanese side should not end the game because it took an gamble and once in a while lost it. Yes, KB got decimated but it was the players choice to battle it out. Now that the allied have control of seas I think Japanese side should start looking other ways to compesate the loss.

Redd -> RE: Dagua falls! (3/18/2006 6:30:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pauk [:(] o my God.... (but this would happen sooner or later, anyway). I understand your position, however keep in mind that lessons from your AAR are priceless, imortal and maybe will (hopefully) have impact for the future patches. It would be nice if you could continue game... What he said. [:(] Reading both of the AARs covering this game is what motivated me to drop UV like a hot potato and get WitP. I'd hate to see it end so abruptly. I understand your negative feelings on do-overs, that is the honorable way to go. But many of us will be more than sad to see the story end here. You are helping to illustrate the shortcomings of the model at the time when it will do the most good. I implore you to keep the game going. Either take the do-over as suggested, or fight on with what you have left, it is of course your call. The further you go with the game, the more information is available to the developers. If you want, you can make it your personal crusade against the uber cap. A lot of people are reading this, and showing the problems through gameplay is much more constructive than some post in the main forum titled "Waaah, my planes don't work right." You'll be providing a much needed service to the community by taking this baby into '45, hopefully culminating with the invasion of Japan, just to see how it goes. We await the return of the Emperors' right hand man! [&o][&o][&o] P.S. I was horrified when you wrote that you were going to sortie the KB and then saw the map. His carriers were waaaay too close. I understand that after carrying the biggest stick in town for two game years, it's hard to adjust to the new order in '44. You have to think like the allies do in '42, don't go anywhere with the KB that is within a weeks sailing of the allied sledgehammer.[;)]

timtom -> RE: Dagua falls! (3/18/2006 7:21:52 PM)
Tough luck, John. I know you're probably feeling absolute despondent right now (speaking from personal experience here, trust me [:)]), but my advice would be to take a few days away from the game and then come back and have a fresh look at the situation. I'm sure you'll find that you still have a few good cards up your sleeve.

FeurerKrieg -> RE: Dagua falls! (3/18/2006 8:38:22 PM)
Don't give up John! At least your turns won't take quite as much time to do now right? I still think you've done a great job thus far and Andy will still have a tough time making his advances. One of your weapons has been disabled for now, but you still have surface assets and LBA.

Rob Brennan UK -> RE: Dagua falls! (3/18/2006 10:53:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: veji1 Arghh....;; Don't know what to say... At least now you can focus on real life... Still, would it have been different had you been playing with Niks mod ? You would certainly have lost that battle, but maybe not all carriers, and have damaged or sunk quite a few... god... This kills half the expectation I have for this whole board... I hope we win in rugby otherwise it'll be a crappy Week End... I hope your French .. Else its been a bad end to the 6 nations PzB.. I would like to see this continue, you will probably need a break to calm down and have a rest from this mammoth game. That CAP was nuts ! .. glad i'm playing Nik mod , vanilla is just way too one sided .. firstly invulnerable jap cap then invulnerable allied cap. Other than that ! .. ooh .. [&o][&o][&o][&o][&o] Whatever you decide , thank you for sharing this very memorable game, It's been a cracking read for long time ..

Monter_Trismegistos -> RE: Dagua falls! (3/18/2006 11:18:13 PM)
Dont give up! You still have us, your supporters! Now time to gather remnants of your fleet, save as many of them as possible and prepare to defend next bases!

Fishbed -> RE: Dagua falls! (3/18/2006 11:51:57 PM)
yep tough times [:(] but we're still here! And by the way, everyone is not dead yet - maybe several hundreds jap LB may prove to be a good dissuation enough for Andy not to go on pursuit...

CapAndGown -> RE: Dagua falls! (3/19/2006 12:03:48 AM)
[X(][X(][:o][:o][:(][:(] Sorry to see this result. All you defensive plans have come to naught because of a decision to go for a medium value target of opportunity. But I do have some comments. We all knew about the Uber CAP. Much of PzB's defensive planning had been focused on how to deal with this problem. And here we see that had PzB stuck to plan, he could have dealt with it. Notice the extraordinarily large number of Hellcats blown away in just one day of combat. Also notice that Andy lost all these Hellcats even though they outnumbered the defending fighters. And these defending fighters were not even the best fighters that PzB can field--they are only Zekes which are not nearly as good as Tojo's, George's and Tony's. If, instead of the KB facing off against the allied Death Star, this kind of airbattle had occured using LBA during an attempted invasion of the Marianas or Palaus, Andy's Uber CAP would have been greatly thinned out after the first day of battle. Should that battle continue for one or two days more, with additional Jap fighters being flown in from staging bases, the allied CAP would end up as a shadow of its former self and become ripe for a counter stroke from the KB. My real question is: under such circumstances, that is, not losing the KB before LBA has even had a chance to play a role, what chances would the allies have in succeeding in pulling off a long range invasion that can only be supported by carriers and unescorted bombers? Does it not seem possible that a Japanese defense is entirely within the realm of the possible as long as the KB is not lost before the decisive battle? At any rate: All Hail the PzB! [&o]

PzB74 -> RE: Dagua falls! (3/19/2006 12:33:18 AM)
Back from apartment hunting - a much bigger success than the last WitP turn [;)] Thanx for the support guys, I'm not really devastated. Took a rash decision to strike - something which I've managed to avoid for a very long time - and stumbled. The truth is that it's starting to get a bit hard to play WitP each and every day for many years. With new and important missions ahead I'm feeling kinda short of energy. Loosing 8-9 carriers for naught is a most horrific achievement [8\|] No commander should be allowed to go on after such a catastrophe. Desk job in Tokyo perhaps [:'(] I agree with Cap & Gown - should have stuch to the original plan but I had a very good feeling that Andys carriers had burned most of their fuel and missions. Andy also confirmed this, but he obviously decided to stay around for another few days. Valiantly he suggested that I could replay yesterdays turn but I don't think that's the honorable thing to do either. The cause for this 'most unfortunate event' is that I finally gave in to my impulses, getting a bit tired and unconcentrated at times. Great disasters are never the most glorious moment to throw in the towel, but they are often the culmination of a series of events which leads to a certain conclusion. (Usually not a good one) Wobbly reached this stage with the frustration of the Indian Campaign - Dave got fed up with the game mechanics and Ken had Internet gremlins. These players played the game for 4-12 months each. So I kinda feel that a replacement would do me good! Pretty sure we could find a competent Axis fanboy for the task? Since all you loyal followers are around to support the campaign things would continue like before! I could stick around and provide advice. That's just my thoughts; I don't really want to quit - but my feelings advice me to do so. At least for a while. What do you think, is playing on without heart and soul really the thing to do at this point...? Again, appreciate all the fabolous support - you guys are the reason I've kept on for so long [8D]

Nomad -> RE: Dagua falls! (3/19/2006 1:33:55 AM)
So, considering that with some free help and equipment I was able to cure my internet problems( somehting I didn't think would happen ), do I now need to relieve you for a while John? [8D]

wobbly -> RE: Mermaids brassiere is NOT watertight! (3/19/2006 10:09:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: aztez I think the game should go on. UBER CAP or not the biggest problem with the PBEM's is the fact that once allied player can give some payback most of these games stop. Since Wobbly & co. took repeat beatings I think the Japanese side should not end the game because it took an gamble and once in a while lost it. Yes, KB got decimated but it was the players choice to battle it out. Now that the allied have control of seas I think Japanese side should start looking other ways to compesate the loss. A big difference for me and the other allied players was that there was (well supposedly - and this is evidence) light at the end of the tunnel. PzB's biggest hammer was always the carrier fleet. There is no light at the end of the tunnel for him. He has done fantastically well (bugger it [:D] ) but he has very little in the way of flexibilty now.

Nomad -> RE: Mermaids brassiere is NOT watertight! (3/19/2006 10:33:48 AM)
The only problem with that wobbly is that every game is going to reach a point where Japan can no longer see a light at the end of the tunnel. Does that mean that all games end when Japan loses the first big battle? It doesn't seem right, plus John still has a very strong position, he is just a bit short on flexibility.

rroberson -> RE: Mermaids brassiere is NOT watertight! (3/19/2006 10:44:28 AM)
Frankly, this is every allied player's fear. Once the game gets to 43/44 Japan's player bounce's out of the game (not you PZB you have hung in there amazingly long). It is my hope that PZB hangs in there. I love his narrative. If he can't then maybe several of us can take up arms to keep this game going. I really want to see how it ends :).

pauk -> RE: Dagua falls! (3/19/2006 12:11:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PzB That's just my thoughts; I don't really want to quit - but my feelings advice me to do so. At least for a while. What do you think, is playing on without heart and soul really the thing to do at this point...? Wobbly reached this stage with the frustration of the Indian Campaign - Dave got fed up with the game mechanics and Ken had Internet gremlins. These players played the game for 4-12 months each. So I kinda feel that a replacement would do me good! Pretty sure we could find a competent Axis fanboy for the task? Since all you loyal followers are around to support the campaign things would continue like before! I could stick around and provide advice. Again, appreciate all the fabolous support - you guys are the reason I've kept on for so long [8D] I totally understand your position. I intend play my PBEM games but wonder if I going to be able "play with soul and hart". I don't have problems with kicking my *ss: several players take me beating in UV (Honda, Oleg, pfnognoff) so i'm used to be beaten [:D]. My only concern is that game engine simply doesn't provide Japanese chances to have their 5 minutes in the game (successful operation Leyte, for example). I'm afraid that my 90 exp pilots will be killed like chickens cause exp is at 3rd place in A2A factors (speed, firepover) or maybe even 4th place.... and it is pointless to invest time and effort useless.... Anyway, i feel that this AAR MUST continue and if you can't going on (i understand that you are exausted - i feels exactly like you in my game against Andy and it is only August 42! plus you have to be concentrate on your new job) i'm very tempted to jump in "Defender of the Empire" boots... Spring is coming close, i would have less time to spare for WiTP... but then again this AAR have to continue (we Japs fanboys need our whining corner[:D]) cause i feel that if devs cant get info from the "other side" all future patches would be in Allied favour... So i'm really tempted (and someone have to stop this stubborn Scot[;)][8\|])

PzB74 -> RE: Dagua falls! (3/19/2006 1:43:42 PM)
Nice to hear from you again Al [:)] You're right about the light...I've felt the strain of war for a while! When I go to bed I still see images of burning Zekes and US heavies in my head. Wake up tired and exhausted in the morning still thinking about what can be done to win the war <G> I really could do without this for a while [:'(] The loss of the carriers is a big blow as it will allow Andy's birdfarms to conduct strike missions into the heart of the empire as long as he keeps >6 hexes away from any major air bases (Zeke range). If Andy plays like I think he will only 1-2 cv's and a couple of cvls will remain of the KB + 5 cve's. 3 new cv's will arrive within 3 months or so. Could be enough to create a quality carrier formation - there are still ample amounts of expert CAGs left. So the battle is far from lost - it just became more complicated. The invasion of the Palaus and Marianas would be the high point of this campaign Jap carriers or not. The ability to make large amounts of LBA available in the right place at the right time would be the crucial element. I've always stated that it would be suicide to engage the US carriers mano el mano (and now I had to show you why [8\|]). Now Japan HAS to concentrate on the only valid strategy: how to make LCU and LBA defeat carrier and amph power. In reality he KB becomes a Democles sword by 1944!...so much to loose and so little to gain! So here's what I would like to suggest: I try to save the remains of the fleet and re-organize according to new doctrines and hire Ken as Second in Command. Whenever I run out of steam or time he can take over for me and vice versa! This would make it simpler for me to concentrate on my new priorities and remain in the game. At the same time the game could be played to the end: something which has always been one of my foremost objectives [:)] What do you think about this Ken? Pauk has also offered his services - (thx Pauk). Suggestions/advice from the rest of you: could this work?

PzB74 -> Disaster and recovery (3/19/2006 5:19:14 PM)
Forwarded my ideas to Andy - his reply: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The plan sounds ok a few little things for you to ponder... San Jacinto ate a bomb not sure how but one of your Judy's must have got through she will live it's a minor hit As for following up its going to be difficult More or less all my CV's are a ZERO ops points now my CVL's are ok but they have limited flight groups. I will be trying This does open up a lot more strategic possibilities for the Allies things I had ruled out are now back on the table. You are still 2:1 ahead on points Of course my LBA will be back in the game to try and finish you cripples !!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I've sent the next turn to Andy and lots of action has been taken - but first some hard facts: Some 243 US carrier ac were shot down including 171 Hellcats, 46 Helledivers and 26 Avengers. Some 516 Jap carrier + 91 land based fighters were lost including: 9 Rufe, 26 Zero, 239 Zeke, 150 Jill and 117 Judy. Some 50 carrier ac transferred to nearby bases. Damage to IJN carriers were less crippling than first assumed: I've created a large TF and gathered most of the cripples - I'm hoping the enemy will concentrate on this group. Cripples Name---- --Sys- -Flt-Fire-Speed------ BB Haruna - 54 - 76 - 29 CS Mizuho - 71 - 30 - 27 CV Amagi - 98 - 64 - 49 Cvl Ryuho - 99 - 83 - 49 The Unryo and Kaga have already been sunk. If we're lucky 'only' 2 carriers, 1 cvl, 1 cs and 1 BB will be lost. The remaining carriers have been divided into small TFs that will try to reach Ulithi. Shokaku - 51 - 22 - 49 - 16 Zuikaku - 60 - 24 - 30 - 13 Akagi - 57 - 49 - 49 - 13 Katsuragi - 60 - 22 - 49 - 13 Taiho - 16 - 44 - 49 - 18 Chiyoda - 31 -25 - 24 - 20 Ryujo - 3 - 35 - 3 - 16 If we can salvage all of these carriers the backbone of the KB should be safe. I've ordered all available Bettys and Oscars to strike out at 10 hexes from several bases. Some 300 ac are ready at Palau (size 6 af with air HQ). Fighters on Ulithi have been put on max range and 40% CAP. 150 fighters and bombers are ready at Woleai + some Bettys, fighters and army bombers in NG and on Truk. 2 surface combat TFs have been formed and will attempt to hit the enemy carriers. Guessing that Andy is low on OP and fuel I sent them one hex south by south west. They will then retreat at flank speed towards Ulithi. Several other tfs have been sent into the area including a replenishment group consisting of 2 fast AOs, the mini Hosho and 2 escorts. An escort carrier group with 4 cves and 4 destroyers will move just north of Woleai with 120 ac. If Andy goes for it his carriers will react to this group, drawing then northwards. The group with crippled ships will move 2 hexes to the north. Andy's carriers will only have to move 1 hex to the north to come within range of Oscar IIs and Bettys plus 150 ac at Woleai. A move/reaction of 5 hexes will take him within Zeke range of the Marianas. Hundreds of my best fighters as well as more army bombers are ready here. Ok, let's pray to the gods of war for some much deserved payback! [&o] If we can put 3 enemy carriers out of action before the decisive battles I'd say this catastrophe would be worthwhile! Defeat and counterstrike!? [image]local://upfiles/1466/D53675276B6E4DEAAA4BF587A7642629.gif[/image]

PzB74 -> RE: Disaster and recovery (3/19/2006 5:52:57 PM)
Andy played it all safe and didn't move his carriers a single hex to the north.... Well, apart from one of our surface combat groups that didn't return as ordered, no further damage has been done. Unfortunately a Kongo class bb was sunk. The light carrier Ryuho also gave up and sank. Fires in our damaged carriers have been brought (almost) under control and in a couple of days 5 cvs and 2 cvls will enter Ulithi. Give our repair yards 3-4 months and we should be able to field 9 carriers, 3 cvls and 7-8 cves. In the meantime we have to delay the enemy advance as much as possible and train our LBA pilots to even higher standards. AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/14/44 Air Combat Day Air attack on TF at 53,75 Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 29 TBM Avenger x 42 Allied aircraft losses TBM Avenger: 17 damaged Japanese Ships BB Kongo, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage CA Mikuma DD Niizuki -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 53,75 Allied aircraft TBM Avenger x 8 Allied aircraft losses TBM Avenger: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged Japanese Ships BB Kongo, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 53,75 Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 5 TBM Avenger x 7 Allied aircraft losses TBM Avenger: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged Japanese Ships BB Kongo, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The few counter strikes were slaughtered by enemy CAP: Day Air attack on TF at 60,86 Japanese aircraft G4M1 Betty x 6 Allied aircraft Spitfire VIII x 2 P-38J Lightning x 13 Japanese aircraft losses G4M1 Betty: 4 destroyed Allied Ships LCT LCT-327 LCT LCT-323 Aircraft Attacking: 1 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet 1 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 56,80 Japanese aircraft G4M2 Betty x 3 Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 95 Japanese aircraft losses G4M2 Betty: 3 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 56,80 - remnants flying from NG Japanese aircraft D4Y Judy x 21 Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 129 Japanese aircraft losses D4Y Judy: 12 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 60,86 Japanese aircraft G4M1 Betty x 2 Allied aircraft FM-2 Wildcat x 7 Spitfire VIII x 3 Kittyhawk III x 6 P-38J Lightning x 23 Japanese aircraft losses G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses P-38J Lightning: 1 damaged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 56,80 Japanese aircraft G4M2 Betty x 6 Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 129 Japanese aircraft losses G4M2 Betty: 6 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F6F Hellcat: 2 damaged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Dagua at 51,81 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 9 Ki-21 Sally x 13 Allied aircraft F4U-1 Corsair x 31 Spitfire VIII x 5 Kittyhawk III x 9 P-40N Warhawk x 4 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 7 destroyed Ki-21 Sally: 8 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Kittyhawk III: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged P-40N Warhawk: 1 destroyed Allied Ships AP Koolama AP Empire Tamar Aircraft Attacking: 1 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet 4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

pauk -> RE: Disaster and recovery (3/19/2006 6:20:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PzB Give our repair yards 3-4 months and we should be able to field 9 carriers, 3 cvls and 7-8 cves. In the meantime we have to delay the enemy advance as much as possible and train our LBA pilots to even higher standards. That's the spirit...! Although is more than clear that remains of KB can't face with US carriers (the whole KB couldn't do that) you still have chance to delay Andy. He is now streched all over the Pacific and that requires good administration skills. His ground units are disrupted and lots of squads are disabled so it will take some time for him to gather enough troops for further advance. Your fleet can hide behind numerous bases in NG and PI (if he choose to continue with this strategy) while you slowly rebuilding your navy and air force. Use the same strategy before "Midway"... leave AFs empty, let Andy to raid them with CVs if he wish fortify your troops there - send reinforcements if needed - keeping the frontier is a must IMO. Only Army can delay (stop?) Allies now and you have more than enough troops for that. And remember, Allies would have send troops long way back to recuperate them... This game is far from the end...Banzai! (well, actually.... we shall defend on the beaches,etc, etc, we shall never surrender..)

Ron Saueracker -> RE: Dagua falls! (3/19/2006 6:21:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cap_and_gown [X(][X(][:o][:o][:(][:(] Sorry to see this result. All you defensive plans have come to naught because of a decision to go for a medium value target of opportunity. But I do have some comments. We all knew about the Uber CAP. Much of PzB's defensive planning had been focused on how to deal with this problem. And here we see that had PzB stuck to plan, he could have dealt with it. Notice the extraordinarily large number of Hellcats blown away in just one day of combat. Also notice that Andy lost all these Hellcats even though they outnumbered the defending fighters. And these defending fighters were not even the best fighters that PzB can field--they are only Zekes which are not nearly as good as Tojo's, George's and Tony's. If, instead of the KB facing off against the allied Death Star, this kind of airbattle had occured using LBA during an attempted invasion of the Marianas or Palaus, Andy's Uber CAP would have been greatly thinned out after the first day of battle. Should that battle continue for one or two days more, with additional Jap fighters being flown in from staging bases, the allied CAP would end up as a shadow of its former self and become ripe for a counter stroke from the KB. My real question is: under such circumstances, that is, not losing the KB before LBA has even had a chance to play a role, what chances would the allies have in succeeding in pulling off a long range invasion that can only be supported by carriers and unescorted bombers? Does it not seem possible that a Japanese defense is entirely within the realm of the possible as long as the KB is not lost before the decisive battle? At any rate: All Hail the PzB! [&o] quote: We all knew about the Uber CAP. After the endless beatings myself and a few tough skins took trying to make this known I'd just like to say that NO, we all did not know about this. Apparently it was a myth I started in beta. Here is a little flashback thread...lots of fun. Blast from the Past And speaking of beatings, I will take over as the Japanese if PzB can't go on...ie. if he was beheaded or something.[:D] I love defending and would like to see how the supply situation is in the DEI at this stage of the game.

Nomad -> RE: Dagua falls! (3/19/2006 7:21:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PzB Nice to hear from you again Al [:)] You're right about the light...I've felt the strain of war for a while! When I go to bed I still see images of burning Zekes and US heavies in my head. Wake up tired and exhausted in the morning still thinking about what can be done to win the war <G> I really could do without this for a while [:'(] The loss of the carriers is a big blow as it will allow Andy's birdfarms to conduct strike missions into the heart of the empire as long as he keeps >6 hexes away from any major air bases (Zeke range). If Andy plays like I think he will only 1-2 cv's and a couple of cvls will remain of the KB + 5 cve's. 3 new cv's will arrive within 3 months or so. Could be enough to create a quality carrier formation - there are still ample amounts of expert CAGs left. So the battle is far from lost - it just became more complicated. The invasion of the Palaus and Marianas would be the high point of this campaign Jap carriers or not. The ability to make large amounts of LBA available in the right place at the right time would be the crucial element. I've always stated that it would be suicide to engage the US carriers mano el mano (and now I had to show you why [8\|]). Now Japan HAS to concentrate on the only valid strategy: how to make LCU and LBA defeat carrier and amph power. In reality he KB becomes a Democles sword by 1944!...so much to loose and so little to gain! So here's what I would like to suggest: I try to save the remains of the fleet and re-organize according to new doctrines and hire Ken as Second in Command. Whenever I run out of steam or time he can take over for me and vice versa! This would make it simpler for me to concentrate on my new priorities and remain in the game. At the same time the game could be played to the end: something which has always been one of my foremost objectives [:)] What do you think about this Ken? Pauk has also offered his services - (thx Pauk). Suggestions/advice from the rest of you: could this work? Just what does being second in command mean? It would be hard to do a few turns here and there. A player really has to immerse himself into each game. If I will be taking over sometime in the future and running the game for an extended period of time then yes, but not to do sporatic turns.

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