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PzB74 -> RE: Biggest carrier vs LBA dogfight EVER!! (6/19/2006 2:00:59 AM)
Quick update before bedtime! Surface group moved in and met a huuge PT boat TF [8\|] Andy has moved it all the way from Sarmi! Fortunately Nishimura suffered no losses and sank 5-6 of the small pests. A sub was attacked by a surface group in the very same hex, lots of dd's and cruisers...but Nishimura didn't encounter them. Insteas enemy ships including tankers and carriers had moved a hex to the east, directly below Wasile! So our dangerous raid ended up with little success, but Andy is now very much aware of the threat. I sent a cve south of Ambonia and it launched 25 Judy's - which all attacked the enemy carrier group that had moved directly south of Wasile. 60 CAP fighters brough em all down. Extremely difficult to achieve anything, even though surprise is achived. The CAP is just 100% air tight!! [:o] A battle group including 2 Kongo's were attacked by a sub SSW of Palau, enroute to Sarmi to look for cve's. The sub gave away their position, so it's RTB! First shock attack at Wasile gained a 1-1 odds, forts down to lvl 4. 550 Allied causalties. There are ca 160 Hellcats in the Wasile hex, so a strong attack from Menando/Davao could succeed. Should I? Andy boasts that 1700 Jap ac have been destroyed over the last 8 days to 350 Allied fighters. Numbers are high, aye..but a lot have been destroyed on the ground and the bulk are search, transports, and Oscars. Perhaps 300-400 of the losses are experienced first line fighters/bombers. As you see Fishbed, I'm trying to split up the enemy - but it's a super dangerous job and a lot of things can - and usually goes wrong. Hollandia is out of my grasp unfortunately. Getting within 5 hexes of an enemy base with surface ships can be lethal and I don't have effective long range fighters after the A6M2 became obsolete. I agree with you Sneer! Clear Northern Guinea and then focus on the Marianas. He can bomb the Palaus from Guinea and gain a toehold. But still, Andy's on a tight time schedule and I'm able to make good most of my ac losses. The Combined Fleet is still in one piece and within 4 months the KB will be back in business.

pauk -> RE: Biggest carrier vs LBA dogfight EVER!! (6/19/2006 8:25:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PzB There are ca 160 Hellcats in the Wasile hex, so a strong attack from Menando/Davao could succeed. Should I? It is hard to give advice - as you said it is quite depressing when you planing cuning plans, done everything and than something goes wrong.... how many fighters you can throw in to the battle? did you consider sending them to sweep skies over Wasile (is it possible to do it while Wasile is in your possesion?) and then send LBA with escort? If you get strikes (but it's important to get sweep mission first) you may score some hits on his CVs.... yeah, right, that is another cuning plan[8\|]... but it is better than Baldrick ones, i think[;)]

Fishbed -> RE: Biggest carrier vs LBA dogfight EVER!! (6/19/2006 9:30:27 AM)
PzB, if you really want to do something, send the fleet there and wreck everything havoc! this kind of situation with stuck TF will not happen so easily in the Marianas - you have to take that chance to slow him! Isn't the Kaigun in Mindanao? Let's flush everything, while covering with your last operationnal reserve in the area... Im a warmonger I know ;) but let the big guns talk if you suspect you can do something with 'em!

duckenf -> RE: Biggest carrier vs LBA dogfight EVER!! (6/19/2006 9:30:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PzB There are ca 160 Hellcats in the Wasile hex, so a strong attack from Menando/Davao could succeed. Should I? 60 CAP fighters just brought down 25 Judys and probably could have brought down a lot more with fighter cover -- how many attack aircraft do you think you'll need to break through -- a 2:1 advantage in fighters? So 120-150 fighters and then some bombers? over 200 aircraft?

Fishbed -> RE: Biggest carrier vs LBA dogfight EVER!! (6/19/2006 4:05:39 PM)
Just realize Im one day late on my thought... Im so dumb[:D]

PzB74 -> RE: Biggest carrier vs LBA dogfight EVER!! (6/19/2006 9:48:09 PM)
Andy certainly didn't expect my surface group! "You are crazy !!! If only I hadnt put the whole fleet on Ground attack another of those pesky IJN CA's would down with Davy Jones!" Yes, if only...but I calculated correctly this time. Unfortunately the outcome wasn't great even though my ships handled themselves well against large number of PT boats. I can send 200 Zekes on sweeps over Wasile first Pauk, and then release my bombers and follow up with 250 transports that can relieve Wasile. If successful Andy will have to withdraw. I consider such an success so important that I'm willing to risk it! Fish, read Andy's words - we're two of a kind here! [;)] Need fast TF's that can move 6 hexes to get to my targets and out again though. IF I can get my 400 bombers to launch, including 120 army bombers + 250 Oscars after a Zeke sweep (and preferably coordinated with a Judy/Jill strike escorted by another 100 Zekes) - we should achieve results. But if bad weather grounds one of my wings - R.I.P. [&o] AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/10/44 Invasions -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Coastal Guns at Wasile, 41,69, firing at TF 1072 TF 1072 troops unloading over beach at Wasile, 41,69 86 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied Ships SC SC-742 SC SC-982, Shell hits 4 Allied ground losses: 146 casualties reported Vehicles lost 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Coastal Guns at Wasile, 41,69, firing at TF 1072 TF 1072 troops unloading over beach at Wasile, 41,69 15 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied ground losses: 120 casualties reported Vehicles lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Coastal Guns at Wasile, 41,69, firing at TF 1098 TF 1098 troops unloading over beach at Wasile, 41,69 462 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied Ships LCM 592A, Shell hits 13, on fire, heavy damage LCVP 543R, Shell hits 12, on fire, heavy damage LCT LCT-377, Shell hits 3, on fire LCT LCT-376 LCVP 543Q, Shell hits 11, on fire, heavy damage LCVP 543P, Shell hits 19, on fire, heavy damage LCT LCT-328, Shell hits 1 LCVP 543K, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage LCT LCT-167, Shell hits 9 LCVP 543J, Shell hits 1, on fire LCT LCT-65, Shell hits 20 Allied ground losses: 322 casualties reported Guns lost 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub/ASW Attacks ASW attack at 41,70 Japanese Ships SS I-11, hits 7 Allied Ships DD Cogswell DD Claxton DD Chevalier DD Charrette DD Capps DD Caperton DD Bush DD Burns DD Bullard DD Brown DD Braine DD Bradford -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 41,70 Japanese Ships - may sink, 76 flood and 64 sys. SS I-11, hits 8, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships LST LST-343 LST LST-341 LST LST-338 LST LST-34 LST LST-25 DD Conway DD Clarence Bronson DD Bell DD Beale CL St. Louis -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My surface groups headed for Sarmi were intercepted by a peski sub and the Hiei almost torched! [:o] Sub attack at 52,70 Japanese Ships BB Hiei DD Asagao DD Hayate DD Hatakaze DD Satsuki DD Ushio DD Oboro DD Sagiri DD Hatsukaze DD Makigumo CA Aoba Allied Ships SS Porpoise, hits 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Surface Combat Night Time Surface Combat at 41,70 Japanese Ships CA Myoko CA Nachi CA Mikuma CL Kitakami CL Oi DD Tamanami DD Onami DD Okinami DD Natsushio DD Hayashio DD Urakaze Allied Ships PT PT-462 PT PT-463 PT PT-464 PT PT-465 PT PT-466 PT PT-467 PT PT-468 PT PT-469 PT PT-470, Shell hits 1, on fire PT PT-471 PT PT-472 PT PT-473 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat at 41,70 Japanese Ships CA Myoko CA Nachi CA Mikuma CL Kitakami CL Oi DD Tamanami, Shell hits 2 DD Onami DD Okinami, Shell hits 1 DD Natsushio DD Hayashio DD Urakaze Allied Ships PT PT-522 PT PT-523 PT PT-524 PT PT-525 PT PT-526 PT PT-527 PT PT-528, Shell hits 7, and is sunk PT PT-529 PT PT-530, Shell hits 1, and is sunk PT PT-531, Shell hits 38, and is sunk PT PT-532, Shell hits 5, and is sunk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bombardments Naval bombardment of Wasile, at 41,69 Allied Ships CA Chicago CL Birmingham CL Santa Fe CL Montpelier CA Chester CA Astoria CA Louisville CL Boise BB New Jersey BB Iowa Japanese ground losses: 78 casualties reported Guns lost 5 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Wasile, at 41,69 Allied Ships CA Minneapolis CA Boston BB Idaho CA Wichita Japanese ground losses: 310 casualties reported Guns lost 18 Airbase hits 1 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 30 Port hits 6 Port supply hits 19 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air Combat Day Air attack on Morotai , at 43,68 Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft F-5C Lightning x 5 B-24J Liberator x 108 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zeke: 1 destroyed Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 1 destroyed Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F-5C Lightning: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged B-24J Liberator: 3 damaged Japanese ground losses: 33 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Airbase hits 2 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 131 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Wasile , at 41,69 Allied aircraft P-38J Lightning x 13 F-5C Lightning x 4 PB4Y Liberator x 12 B-24J Liberator x 60 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 3 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Airbase hits 2 Runway hits 75 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 82,69 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 8 G4M2 Betty x 4 No Japanese losses Allied Ships TK J.C. Fitzsimmons Aircraft Attacking: 4 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The surprise cve attack! Imagine how kewl it would have been if these Judys snuck through an opening in the clouds and torched an enemy carrier... Day Air attack on TF at 42,70 Japanese aircraft D4Y Judy x 27 Allied aircraft FM-2 Wildcat x 50 Corsair IV x 13 Japanese aircraft losses D4Y Judy: 18 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 42,70 Japanese aircraft D4Y Judy x 7 Allied aircraft FM-2 Wildcat x 50 Corsair IV x 12 Japanese aircraft losses D4Y Judy: 4 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground Attack Wasile needs reinforcements!! Ground combat at Wasile Allied Shock attack Attacking force 19474 troops, 214 guns, 154 vehicles, Assault Value = 724 Defending force 11976 troops, 115 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 282 Allied max assault: 826 - adjusted assault: 367 Japanese max defense: 155 - adjusted defense: 213 Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 5) Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 4 Japanese ground losses: 149 casualties reported Guns lost 4 Vehicles lost 1 Allied ground losses: 520 casualties reported Guns lost 10 Vehicles lost 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Kavieng Allied Shock attack Attacking force 7680 troops, 41 guns, 123 vehicles, Assault Value = 180 Defending force 2751 troops, 9 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 9 Allied max assault: 342 - adjusted assault: 89 Japanese max defense: 3 - adjusted defense: 15 Allied assault odds: 5 to 1 Japanese ground losses: 56 casualties reported Allied ground losses: 11 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Counterattacks [image]local://upfiles/1466/066506DA303249D79EE6FBFBDFA6E3A0.jpg[/image]

Sneer -> RE: Biggest carrier vs LBA dogfight EVER!! (6/19/2006 10:03:02 PM)
few days ago when number of fighters in reserve crossed 2.5k i halted production for a while now when i see number of planes shot down ....... how about your reserves - I mean how many modern fighters you have in the pool? how many modern fighters do you consider enough for early 44 ?

PzB74 -> RE: Biggest carrier vs LBA dogfight EVER!! (6/19/2006 10:45:41 PM)
You can never get enough Sneer... 5000 A6M5 Zekes in the pool would be great! I got a mere 125 now, 1000 George, 250 Oscars (extremely heavy usage), out of Tonys (producing 60 pr month for years), 500 Tojos and 335 Franks (soon to go into production). Seems like Andy got a bit nervous, mosved his carriers south. He considers Wasile conquered already. This base is 8 hexes from Sarmi, so he'll be hard pressed to support it! AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/11/44 Invasions -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Coastal Guns at Wasile, 41,69, firing at TF 1072 TF 1072 troops unloading over beach at Wasile, 41,69 32 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied Ships AK William H. Dall Allied ground losses: 180 casualties reported Vehicles lost 4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub/ASW Attacks ASW attack at 41,71 Japanese Ships SS I-45, hits 5 Allied Ships DD Cummings DD Welles DD Farenholt -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 41,71 Japanese Ships SS I-45, hits 3 Allied Ships DMS Elliot DMS Chandler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ahhhh, again we get one of the most valuable prizes in torpedo range - and MISS! [X(] Sub attack at 41,71 Japanese Ships SS I-45 Allied Ships BB Iowa DMS Elliot DMS Chandler DMS Howard DMS Palmer DD Gatling DD Franks DD Foote DD Eaton DD Dyson CA Chester CA Louisville CL Boise -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air Combat Day Air attack on Morotai , at 43,68 Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft F-5C Lightning x 4 PB4Y Liberator x 5 B-24J Liberator x 80 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-46-III Dinah: 1 destroyed A6M5 Zeke: 1 destroyed G4M2 Betty: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F-5C Lightning: 1 damaged B-24J Liberator: 8 damaged Japanese ground losses: 61 casualties reported Airbase hits 16 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 78 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Wasile , at 41,69 Allied aircraft F-5C Lightning x 6 PB4Y Liberator x 10 B-24J Liberator x 70 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 5 casualties reported Airbase hits 2 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 58 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 84,68 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 10 G4M2 Betty x 3 Japanese aircraft losses G4M2 Betty: 1 damaged Allied Ships TK J.C. Fitzsimmons, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage Aircraft Attacking: 3 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground Combat Wasile is in trouble... Ground combat at Wasile Allied Shock attack Attacking force 20431 troops, 204 guns, 173 vehicles, Assault Value = 704 Defending force 10893 troops, 86 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 252 Allied max assault: 944 - adjusted assault: 365 Japanese max defense: 148 - adjusted defense: 149 Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 4) Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 2 Japanese ground losses: 353 casualties reported Guns lost 11 Allied ground losses: 637 casualties reported Guns lost 14 Vehicles lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Kavieng Allied Shock attack Attacking force 7656 troops, 40 guns, 123 vehicles, Assault Value = 178 Defending force 2595 troops, 9 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 7 Allied max assault: 332 - adjusted assault: 30 Japanese max defense: 1 - adjusted defense: 13 Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 Japanese ground losses: 102 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Allied ground losses: 7 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Iowa! [image]local://upfiles/1466/0B0B65B3C09E4A95B917B530822D6FCE.jpg[/image]

PzB74 -> Wasile falls! (6/20/2006 1:03:10 AM)
Andy kept his carriers away from Wasile and landed the last of his marooned troops. This was enough to capture the place with overwhelming force, some 30k troops landed in all. Will see what happens next - will the enemy carriers move back to Rabaul for some R&R? The bulk of the naval bombers and Zeke force is still intact and in 2 days the first Franks arrive. In a couple of months I hope to meet the next major offensive with a lot more capable units. Should have 6-7 carriers ready again by then as well. AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/12/44 Sub/ASW Attacks Lost 2 subs, one to asw group and another to asw ac! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 42,71 Japanese Ships SS I-45, hits 11, on fire, heavy damage sinks Allied Ships DD Cogswell DD Claxton DD Chevalier DD Charrette -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Invasions Coastal Guns at Wasile, 41,69, firing at TF 1098 TF 1098 troops unloading over beach at Wasile, 41,69 772 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied Ships LCVP 593P LCVP 593M, Shell hits 1 LCVP 593J, Shell hits 1 LCVP 593H, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage LCVP 593G LCVP 542M, Shell hits 3 LCVP 542F, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage LCM 542D, Shell hits 9, on fire, heavy damage LCM 542C, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage LCM 542B, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage LCT LCT-475, Shell hits 4 LCT LCT-461, Shell hits 19 LCT LCT-374, Shell hits 6, on fire LCT LCT-373, Shell hits 1 LCT LCT-372 LCT LCT-370, Shell hits 1 LCT LCT-363, Shell hits 1 LCT LCT-362, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage LCT LCT-356 LCT LCT-354, Shell hits 2 LCT LCT-352, Shell hits 1 LCT LCT-325, Shell hits 2 LCT LCT-323, Shell hits 3 LCT LCT-177, Shell hits 1 LCT LCT-175, Shell hits 1 LCT LCT-166, Shell hits 4 LCT LCT-67, Shell hits 1, on fire LCT LCT-58, Shell hits 16 Allied ground losses: 1469 casualties reported Guns lost 4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air Combat Day Air attack on Morotai , at 43,68 Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft F-5C Lightning x 6 PB4Y Liberator x 8 B-24J Liberator x 88 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zeke: 1 destroyed Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses PB4Y Liberator: 1 damaged B-24J Liberator: 8 damaged Japanese ground losses: 128 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Airbase hits 1 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 152 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 24th Ind.Mixed/A Brigade, at 41,69 Allied aircraft FM-2 Wildcat x 36 F6F Hellcat x 32 SB2C Helldiver x 204 TBM Avenger x 188 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 405 casualties reported Guns lost 11 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Wasile at 41,69 Japanese aircraft G4M2 Betty x 3 Japanese aircraft losses G4M2 Betty: 3 damaged Allied Ships DE Manning, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Aircraft Attacking: 3 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 47,75 Japanese aircraft B6N Jill x 18 Japanese aircraft losses B6N Jill: 1 damaged Allied Ships LCI(G) LCI-61, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground Combat Ground troops retreated to a dot base next to Morotai, already with 3-4 forts. Wasile is bottled up between my major bases in the area and the tip of Northern New Guinea. Andy is going to have to work a bit to make this base into an effective forward strong point. Ground combat at Wasile Allied Shock attack Attacking force 20340 troops, 210 guns, 172 vehicles, Assault Value = 769 Defending force 12052 troops, 106 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 293 Allied max assault: 948 - adjusted assault: 594 Japanese max defense: 182 - adjusted defense: 69 Allied assault odds: 8 to 1 (fort level 2) Allied forces CAPTURE Wasile base !!! Japanese ground losses: 454 casualties reported Guns lost 9 Allied ground losses: 386 casualties reported Guns lost 8 Defeated Japanese Units Retreating! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Kavieng Allied Shock attack Attacking force 7676 troops, 40 guns, 124 vehicles, Assault Value = 177 Defending force 2444 troops, 8 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 6 Allied max assault: 328 - adjusted assault: 145 Japanese max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 9 Allied assault odds: 16 to 1 Japanese ground losses: 958 casualties reported Guns lost 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A nice hit to the DE Mannning! [image]local://upfiles/1466/D0BD81AFBC4245D0B7EE7011D82B90BC.jpg[/image]

The Duke -> RE: Wasile falls! (6/20/2006 1:27:57 AM)
I have to admit I love this thread - I'm playing the Japanese in a PBEM grand campaign....currently in October '43 and this thread is the only one I've seen where another player has kept on plugging as long as I have. Keep on plugging and hopefully the Franks will help give you a bit of an edge back. P.S. How do you like those Georges? I start getting them in a month, and hope they can put up a better fight against the Corsairs and Hellcats.

PzB74 -> RE: Wasile falls! (6/20/2006 10:20:24 PM)
Duke, nice to hear from you! Do you have an AAR of your own? So many threads I ought to follow regularly..so many wars and so little time [;)] I keep on plugging ok, still a long way to go! How are you doing in your game then, got a solid defensive line prepped for the storm? The George isn't a revolution in its own...I only had 2x27 ac Daitais for a long time. Now I've trained a new 54 ac Daitai bringing the total up to 108 by April 44. Used one in my flawed strike at Morotai and I didn't notice that they performed that well. Were up against a huge force of Hellcats though. Think they come into their own in a defensive role supported by lots of other fighters. Tomorrow we receive two Daitais equipped with 36 Franks each. Will rest and get moral up before moving to China. 5 Home Island Divisions arrived today as well as 2 Northern Force Divs + a Bde. Planning to send one Northern Force division to the Marianas - will split it in 3 regiments and reinforce 3 islands. AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/13/44 Air Combat Tried to send in the Army bombers with a heavy Oscar escort. Andy has already moved in CAP fighters - and they minced the Oscars. The bombers did little damage from 20k feet. Don't think it's advicable to try again.... Day Air attack on Wasile , at 41,69 Japanese aircraft Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 192 Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 7 Ki-21 Sally x 117 Ki-49 Helen x 20 Allied aircraft Spitfire VIII x 11 P-38J Lightning x 15 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 104 destroyed Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged Ki-21 Sally: 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Spitfire VIII: 4 destroyed, 3 damaged P-38J Lightning: 4 destroyed, 7 damaged SB2C Helldiver: 2 destroyed Allied ground losses: 66 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Airbase hits 1 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Surprise carrier strike! Day Air attack on TF at 88,68 Japanese aircraft D4Y Judy x 15 B6N Jill x 2 No Japanese losses Allied Ships TK J.C. Fitzsimmons, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage sinks -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The damaged Manning is finished of! Day Air attack on TF at 43,70 Japanese aircraft D4Y Judy x 8 B6N Jill x 10 Japanese aircraft losses B6N Jill: 1 destroyed Allied Ships DE Manning, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage sinks -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground Combat Ground combat at Kavieng Allied Shock attack Attacking force 7594 troops, 39 guns, 121 vehicles, Assault Value = 175 Defending force 2252 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 5 Allied max assault: 322 - adjusted assault: 484 Japanese max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 7 Allied assault odds: 69 to 1 Japanese ground losses: 658 casualties reported Guns lost 68 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Surprise Strike! To make Andy divert some forces and worry a bit I sent a carrier south of Wake Island. It shadowed two TFs and caught up with a tanker. [image]local://upfiles/1466/14F8CE9D14CD446294BBCE9DA644BD7D.jpg[/image]

toraq -> RE: Wasile falls! (6/20/2006 11:42:14 PM)
Spanish HQ advices: Well done, PzB!. You�re performing very well against those weak americans [:'(]. Almost like Spanish soldiers in Cuba [;)]. I�d like to point out some few thoughts. I know you already know them, but I�d like to see your opinion anyway. 1) There�s been a lot of talk about whether or not attack the American KB. I see it almost impossible. We�ve seen recently the results but even if 40 or 50 navy bombers get through enemy CAP, it is still difficult to score a hit. USS Navy Flak is SOOOOO heavy and accurate that probably you only put a couple of torpedoes in two different ships. Moreover, not always all your naval bombers attack enemy CVs so you can spend 500 fighters and 100 bombers to get two hits.[:(] Even if the hist are scored on fleet carriers...I don�t see the benefits. You put 2 CVs out of action for a couple of moths but that won�t delay Andy offensive. On the other side, train 600 planes cost you 2-3 moths of training (plus 100 more planes lost due to operational losses during training) So...no point...no benefits [:-] 2) Lets face it: you�ve lost iniciative, air/naval supremacy and pilot/aircraft quality. In these conditions YOU CAN�T get a decisive victory. I would not spend my time trying to get one. You�ve already archived some of them in the early years. Now it is time to defend and defend and defend and...DEFEND!! [:)] 3) Yes, you can still attack but to get minor victories. Last actions with a few aircraft attacking from a hidden CV and so on are the ones I would try to repeat. A goog way to recover your morale [sm=00000028.gif] 4) Noooooo! Don�t sacrife the KB in an early action. The more it survives, the more it will disturb enemy intentions!. Don�t use it unless you are sure to get some minor results at 0 costs. 5) I�m afraid I disagree with some of your last actions. Some "japanese traps" were done with a lot of risk and requiring many enemy mistakes. I consider them as "boy-strategies". Common! we�ve seen you managing your navy, planes and troops much better!!! I know you can do better and make those americans to withdraw in shame. BANZAI!!!!!!!!! [:@] [sm=00000036.gif] 6) Be careful with inactivity. In this game sometimes you do things cos you can�t stand the inactivity of so many resources (planes, ships, etc). It�s hard to see that you got 10 BBs and you could fight with them but they are just in the harbour. No way!! Time to wait and wait!. Better to see them in the harbour than in the bottom of the sea! I know you�re planning something[sm=nono.gif]...you�ve already wrote it some post ago....But you don�t want to tell us!! Good luck and good fight! [sm=sterb029.gif]

PzB74 -> RE: Wasile falls! (6/21/2006 12:56:16 AM)
Good to hear from you again Toraq, always appreciate input from Spanish HQ [:)] In many ways I agree with you, but not forget what we want to achieve by defensive fighting: Gain time! To achieve this we have to crack some eggs! Inactivity doesn't win much time I'm afraid. I'm also fighting the war in typical 'Bushido spirit'. No way the Japs would sit idle with ample resources at their hands and let the Americans invade their ground [:-] Agree, Andy's carriers are very difficult to hurt - and I would like to hit his transports and surface ships. The problem is that these are usually protected by an uber CAP most of the time. There are a few opening, but I have to 'sniff them out' and launch my birds of prey in the right moment, and this is difficult to say the least. Subs may achieve more, you saw that both the Franklin and Iowa almost got hit in the Wasile Campaign. Still, Wasile didn't cost any of the sides a lot of ships. Andy lost some transports, landing ships, 1 DD and 1 DE. Japan lost 2 cve's and some transports. Main losses were in ac, some 1800 to 400 me thinks. 300 Hellcats are difficult to replace according to Andy. We can only hope. Our own losses will be made good within a month or two. Minor victories doesn't really gain the Empire more time, and points doesn't really matter - not for me anyway. Will be all but impossible for Andy to win on points, 34 to 62k at the moment I think. The KB has seen enough sacrifice for a while, will remain a fleet in being from now on [;)] My plans depends on Andy's actions, so they are prone to change! I send out ships and return them to base if I don't find the openings I've been looking for. Still, this is a game and I intend to have as much fun as possible. Sitting on my arse for a whole year would be a waste of my precious time and I don't want to bore my readers either [:D] So let the guns roar and bombs soar! [sm=00000436.gif]

The Duke -> RE: Wasile falls! (6/21/2006 7:32:31 AM)
PzB, I don't have a thread on this forum for my PBEM - we're playing PDU-on, and although I got some big victories early (knocked out Russia and 95% of China) I'm now feeling the brunt of unlimited allied upgrades to 4-engine bomber groups. Around summer '43 I had 200 CAP fighters at the Admiralties, most of them 80+ exp, most of them Tony's....he sends in 1,100+ planes, including around 900 4-engine bombers and 150 P-38s.....I shot down about 150 of his planes, he ahnilliates my entire size 6 airfield and most of my planes. Effectively, put that base out of the war in a single raid. [:@] Anyway, I still have most of my defensive perimiter up, he retook Baker island, but I have most of the traditional Japanese bases, and he's been able to take one base near Maumere....I have six fleet CVs plus all my CVEs and CLs remaining, and about half my BBs and 2/3 of my cruisers. Unfortunately, I had KB (with an avg of 90 exp w/ Zekes) slaughtered by a smaller number of F4-Us recently. The corsair is simply unstoppable in this game, and he's using them on many of his carriers. Tough nut to crack. So, I sit back, re-train, and try to build out my bases (particularly size 5+ airfields to avoid more 1000-plane 4-engine raids) and see where I can hurt him some and slow him down. Really is a great game.....I'm pretty stubborn too, so I may be fighting on the home islands before I call it quits. [8D] I'm really hoping the George can at least get me on semi-equal footing w/ the Hellcat....and hopefully the Frank is the plane I hope it can be, b/c a glitch in the game is giving my opponent B29s as we speak (fall of '43) and he'll use them against everything.....I really don't want to see my fleets get sunk at 20 hexes by a strategic bomber, but it may well happen. Keep up the fight!

Akos Gergely -> RE: Wasile falls! (6/21/2006 1:28:23 PM)
Sorry for getting into the Big Boys game, but I could not stand to ask this. I'm following this AAR for a long time now and I know what happened to KB, but I presume most f the damage was cleared and you have some operational units and hopefully Taiho is coming soon on line, so: why don't You try a nice little commerce rading on the supply lines of Andy when his TF58 is engaged in landing support? Surely he can not be in two separate places.

Fishbed -> RE: Wasile falls! (6/21/2006 1:38:10 PM)
I agree, raiding is the best use you could make of the KB, hitting vulnerable spots while dividing up Andy's assets. If he wants to keep up with the clock, he can't afford sending his convoies around the Pacific and avoid taking direct routes. But I suspect this was already PzB's idea, isn't it? [;)]

PzB74 -> RE: Wasile falls! (6/21/2006 6:39:47 PM)
No house rules and PDU is NASTY on the Japs in the long run Duke....! The Frank isn't as hot as you'd like it to be I'm afraid. The Jack has proved itself in battle and so will the Georige and Frank if they defend their own turf together with lots of 'decoy' Oscars [;)] Andy currently got several carriers at Pearl according to himself. Commerce raiding is dangerous, can be cut down by subs or enemy carriers...but I hope to conduct a limited campaign while the cat is away! [:)] The KB needs another 2+ months to be back in business. Status is as follows: CV Hiyo and 2 cvl's are fully operational together with 4-5 cve's. CV Taiho is down to 29 sys damage. CV Shokaku and Zuikakau are down to 57-58 sys damage. CV Akagi is down to 56 sys damage. CV Katsuragi still got 80 sys damage. CVL Chitose is down to 19 sys damage. 3 new fleet carriers will arrive within 90 days as well as 1 cvl and 3 cve's. So in 3 months the KB should consist of: 9 cv's - ca 600 ac 3 cvl's - ca 100 ac 7-8 cve's - ca 150 ac This should be a sizeable force, even big enough to threaten Andy's mega fleets and force him to keep his fleets together.

Mike Solli -> RE: Wasile falls! (6/21/2006 6:46:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PzB So in 3 months the KB should consist of: 9 cv's - ca 600 ac 3 cvl's - ca 100 ac 7-8 cve's - ca 150 ac Wow, 850 carrier planes. Pretty impressive. What kind of experience levels do you expect?

PzB74 -> RE: Wasile falls! (6/21/2006 7:01:04 PM)
It is ...but don't put too much value in numbers anymore! I will not keep the cve's with the fleet carriers, so say 600+ highly trained carrier ac. Experience levels will lie between 75 and 80. The problem with operating such a large number of carriers is that most of my capable surface combatants get tied up for escort duty. So it's tempting to create 2 TFs with a relatively light escort.

Mike Solli -> RE: Wasile falls! (6/21/2006 7:04:43 PM)
Yeah, I understand. But, having 600 highly experienced carrier pilots (and carriers for them!) in mid 44 is pretty cool.

PzB74 -> RE: Wasile falls! (6/21/2006 11:20:02 PM)
A couple of quiet turns - the Allied fleet is heading toward Darwin! Now that's a place to put them... [&:] I welcome more offensive in the DEI or towards the PI. That's a relative long route to Tokyo and I'm pretty sure it will take more than a year to traverse it. Pretty sure Andy will hit the Marianas, perhaps from the Marshalls! So I'm going to move in as many reinforcements as possible to cover all eventualities. Andy doesn't like detours [;)] I've moved all fighters and bombers back from Menando to Davao and the PI. All understrength units will receive reinforcements and train in China for 2 months. That's how long I think it will take until Andy's ready with another major push. AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/14/44 AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/15/44 Kido Butai The exact status of the Kido Butai. Not great right now, but as you can se...the Phoenix will raise again! At least I'm not tempted to do something foolish with it while it's docked [:'(] A total of: 9 cv 4 cvl 6 cve [image]local://upfiles/1466/7C001792C4E64425BD402B2270ABE371.jpg[/image]

String -> RE: Wasile falls! (6/22/2006 12:24:02 AM)
Hey, if you accelerate her now, you might be able to get Shinano launched to be sunk just before 1946 [:D]

PzB74 -> RE: Wasile falls! (6/22/2006 12:54:40 AM)
Yeah, she could be ready to be sunk just in time before the war ends [:'(] AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/16/44 Sub Attacks The Perch scores a few hits... In return the USS Trigger is reported sunk. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 38,58 Japanese Ships TK Rikko Maru, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage sinks MSW Rokko Maru MSW Toshi Maru #8 MSW Toroshima Maru MSW Kaiyo Maru #3 MSW Banshu Maru #56 MSW Banshu Maru #52 MSW Wa 22 Allied Ships SS Perch -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 38,58 Japanese Ships TK Tonan Maru #3, Torpedo hits 1 MSW Rokko Maru MSW Toshi Maru #8 MSW Toroshima Maru MSW Kaiyo Maru #3 MSW Banshu Maru #56 MSW Banshu Maru #52 MSW Wa 22 Allied Ships SS Perch -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Crack Zeke Units I got several large Zeke units with an average exp of 80. Will train my Tony's to the same degree and update them to the Tony-100 by the end of the year. Most Tojos' will upgrade to the Frank in a few months and the Grace will arrive next month, taking my carrier borne torpedo bombers up to a max range of 7, 6 with torpedoes. Could come in handy... [image]local://upfiles/1466/E362D76053A844BD92AFABFCB7678CDC.jpg[/image]

Mynok -> RE: Wasile falls! (6/22/2006 1:02:48 AM)
I usually spread my biggies out one per yard for repair purposes. It works well. Is there a reason you bunch yours up? I have five big yards at all times (meaning 9+ port and 185+ repair yards): Shanghai, Hiroshima, Osaka, Tokyo, and Nagoya. Only capital ships will be repaired in these yards. CL's and lower go to the other ports.

PzB74 -> RE: Wasile falls! (6/22/2006 1:08:52 AM)
Based on experience Mynok...Hong Kong, Shanghai and Singapore are really first class repair yards. Capital ship damage is sucked up real quick! Tokyo on the other hand...-( The Katsuragi is the only damaged ship there and repairs are sooo slow. Even got 2 Naval HQs in place to speed up things. Tried the other ports in the Home Islands with little luck as well. May just be me..but still [;)]

Sneer -> RE: Biggest carrier vs LBA dogfight EVER!! (6/22/2006 1:09:31 AM)
i have usually 150+ repair shipyard in one of 5 main repair ports and found that i can easily repair not only big capital but even 2 of them or equivalent of smaller units if there is such need

PzB74 -> RE: Biggest carrier vs LBA dogfight EVER!! (6/22/2006 10:55:18 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/17/44 Ground Combat A 'ghost' unit is still holding out in Kavieng... Ground combat at Kavieng Allied Shock attack Attacking force 7431 troops, 36 guns, 117 vehicles, Assault Value = 172 Defending force 476 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0 Allied max assault: 304 - adjusted assault: 274 Japanese max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 5 Allied assault odds: 54 to 1 Japanese ground losses: 3 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Strike against Sarmi! Trying another strike...should be safe enough. Surface group to eliminate enemy PT boats. Bombardment group to punish airfields and troops. Carriers and LBA to hit escaping enemy vessels. [image]local://upfiles/1466/0DFD476CF90A43A7B7C4C3600CB18164.jpg[/image]

Fishbed -> RE: Biggest carrier vs LBA dogfight EVER!! (6/23/2006 12:01:40 AM)
Fingers crossed boss! [:)] What are your plans for Wasile anyway? No planned obliteration of this awful insolent allied dot?

PzB74 -> Strike on Sarmi! (6/23/2006 12:31:33 AM)
Well, the attack must be considered a success - even though it cost us 3 destroyers sunk and 3 damaged. 2 enemy destroyers and 3 special ships (AGP, MLE, and AD) were sunk with another 2 AR's damaged. We also sank a PT boat... Each time I see a PT boat I go into a rant! [sm=00000003.gif] Another count showed that 163 enemy PT boats have been sunk thus far and they're still as numerous as locusts! This secret weapon is just what the US doesn't need in 44-45. A maximum number of 150 US Pt boats sounds more than enough for me [;)] Wasile..already a size 2 airfield Fish. To enter the place we have to approach from the south. Very difficult, and we have to face enemy PT boats. Not sure it's worth the sacrifice of more surface combatants or LBA? Andy can fly in troops and supplies, but I think I'll try a blocade. The raid on Sarmi can be followed up and we can force the enemy carriers back in order to support a re-supply effort. Suggestions? AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/18/44 Night Air Combat I'm usually trying to send in some night fighters before my surface combat units. Not sure if it works, but worth a try... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Air attack on Sarmi , at 48,78 Japanese aircraft J1N1-S Irving x 9 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 9 x J1N1-S Irving bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Surface Combat Started well...two damaged enemy dd's are dispatched! Night Time Surface Combat, near Sarmi at 48,78 Japanese Ships CA Atago CL Yahagi DD Shimakaze DD Akizuki DD Makigumo DD Hatakaze DD Hayate Allied Ships DD Boyd, Shell hits 12, and is sunk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Sarmi at 48,78 Japanese Ships CA Atago CL Yahagi, Shell hits 1 DD Shimakaze, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Akizuki DD Makigumo DD Hatakaze DD Hayate Allied Ships DD Guest, Shell hits 12, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then we find a TF of special ships [:D] Night Time Surface Combat, near Sarmi at 48,78 Japanese Ships CA Atago CL Yahagi DD Shimakaze, on fire DD Akizuki DD Makigumo DD Hatakaze DD Hayate Allied Ships AD Dixie, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk AGP Oyster Bay, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage MLE Aroostook, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Of course...PT boats [:@] Night Time Surface Combat, near Sarmi at 48,78 Japanese Ships CA Atago CL Yahagi DD Shimakaze, on fire DD Akizuki DD Makigumo DD Hatakaze, Shell hits 5, on fire DD Hayate Allied Ships PT PT-456 PT PT-457 PT PT-458 PT PT-459 PT PT-460 PT PT-488 PT PT-489 PT PT-490 PT PT-491 PT PT-492 PT PT-493, Shell hits 1, and is sunk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My bombardment group is hit hard by the little pests...3 destroyers lost [:(] At least the escorts protect the capital ships and allow the bombardment. Night Time Surface Combat, near Sarmi at 48,78 Japanese Ships BB Hiei BB Kirishima CA Aoba CA Kako DD Hatsukaze, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage scuttled DD Isonami, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire DD Sagiri, Shell hits 1 DD Oboro, Shell hits 1 DD Ushio, Shell hits 10, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk DD Satsuki, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk Allied Ships PT PT-456 PT PT-457 PT PT-458 PT PT-459 PT PT-460 PT PT-488 PT PT-489 PT PT-490 PT PT-491 PT PT-492 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval Bombardments Naval bombardment of Sarmi, at 48,78 Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed...1!! [8\|] Japanese Ships CA Aoba CA Kako BB Kirishima BB Hiei Allied ground losses: 711 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Vehicles lost 4 Airbase hits 2 Runway hits 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air Combat Our little trap worked very well...bad weather prevented follow up attacks, but Andy got a lot fewer special ships to replenish his PT pests, destroyers etc. Day Air attack on TF at 50,78 Japanese aircraft D4Y Judy x 5 G4M1 Betty x 6 Japanese aircraft losses G4M1 Betty: 6 damaged Allied Ships AR B. F. Shaw, Torpedo hits 1, on fire AS Sperry AR Alabaman, Bomb hits 1, on fire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 48,77 Japanese aircraft D4Y Judy x 14 Japanese aircraft losses D4Y Judy: 1 damaged Allied Ships AGP Oyster Bay, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage sinks -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A surface group is patroling the area around Truk - looking for enemy transports. Andy has spotted it and he will not feel safe. Day Air attack on TF, near Truk at 63,78 Allied aircraft PB4Y Liberator x 3 Allied aircraft losses PB4Y Liberator: 1 damaged Japanese Ships CL Isuzu Aircraft Attacking: 3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night attack![sm=00000003.gif] [image]local://upfiles/1466/3B7DA5AC4CF748DD9722A74749834B16.jpg[/image]

toraq -> RE: Strike on Sarmi! (6/23/2006 12:43:09 AM)
Congratulations PzB![:)] This is the kind of "small victories" I was talking about. Although it has been costly, you sunk some ships and caused, I�m sure of this, a nasty surprise to Andy. He will be more careful with his foward bases and this should cost him time and resources. Don�t consider it as a bitter victory!. It�s 1944!!. It is a good victory!. [sm=00000436.gif] Repeat this somewhere else!! [sm=nono.gif]

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