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PzB74 -> RE: The Coming Battle (8/9/2006 10:36:02 PM)
Our current ac production: 3100 air frames pr month and 3700 engines. This amounts to 37k pr year - if Japan historically produced 27k air frames in 44, I have succeeded in increasing this by 30%. This isn't that horrendous, is it [&:] After all we have more resources and a more unified command, right Pauk [;)] Also notice that the 'Peggy' will go into production next month. [image]local://upfiles/1466/651025B05DE94562BF2B68F32AE27CCC.jpg[/image]

pauk -> RE: The Coming Battle (8/9/2006 10:49:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PzB Our current ac production: 3100 air frames pr month and 3700 engines. This amounts to 37k pr year - if Japan historically produced 27k air frames in 44, I have succeeded in increasing this by 30%. This isn't that horrendous, is it [&:] After all we have more resources and a more unified command, right Pauk [;)] Sounds about right - after all you have all those resources from India and your navalshipyards finished job - there is nothing they can do it so free HI goes to ac production (we don't have to be Speer-san himself to conclude that! [;)]).. "more unified command", PzB, i hope this isn't another provocation[;)][:D]. I just believe to my family and Paukashawa-san doing well at the moment as CiC of the 4th and SE Fleet. His imperial uncle Pauk-san is proud of him! [;)]

PzB74 -> RE: The Coming Battle (8/10/2006 1:51:23 AM)
Paukashawa-san hasn't given Pauk-san any sake lately, has he? [;)] Andy is moving towards Samarinda/and or Balikpapan! We're awaiting his landings and shadow his fleets. Bombers and fighters moved to their bases in preparation for the coming battle. AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/05/44 Sub/ASW Attacks We have forced most of the enemy subs to withdraw - the shipping lanes are relatively quiet again: ASW attack at 47,45 Japanese Ships MSW W.12 MSW W.16 ML Yurijima ML Niizaki ML Ishizaki MSW W.28 Allied Ships SS Sterlet, hits 9 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 35,46 Japanese Ships PG Kyo Maru #10 PG Keiko Maru PG Kanko Maru MSW Toshi Maru #7 MSW Toshi Maru #2 MSW Kyo Maru #3 Allied Ships SS Picuda -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Surface Combat The 'lost convoy' is finished by surface units: Night Time Surface Combat at 51,63 Japanese Ships CL Isuzu Allied Ships AK Susana, on fire, heavy damage Allied ground losses: 29 casualties reported Guns lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat at 51,63 Japanese Ships CL Isuzu, Shell hits 1 Allied Ships AK Edward Luckenbach, on fire, heavy damage AK Ewa, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk Allied ground losses: 136 casualties reported Guns lost 3 Vehicles lost 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat at 48,65 Japanese Ships CA Mikuma CL Noshiro Allied Ships AK Steel Mariner, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk Allied ground losses: 913 casualties reported ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air Combat Day Air attack on Samarinda , at 31,63 Allied aircraft Spitfire VIII x 13 P-38J Lightning x 6 No Allied losses -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Samarinda , at 31,63 Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft Mosquito PR.IX x 3 PB4Y Liberator x 6 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zeke: 1 destroyed Japanese ground losses: 12 casualties reported Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 7 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Andy is preparing for his landing: Sending in fighter sweeps! Day Air attack on Balikpapan , at 31,64 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 41 N1K1-J George x 12 J2M Jack x 18 Ki-84-Ia Frank x 21 Allied aircraft F4U-1 Corsair x 13 Spitfire VIII x 26 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zeke: 10 destroyed J2M Jack: 6 destroyed Ki-84-Ia Frank: 10 destroyed Allied aircraft losses - this shows how overrated the Corsair is! Half the number of Spit VIIIs and they loose less than half as many ac and claim most of the kills. I refuse to believe the Corsair was this much better than the Spit! F4U-1 Corsair: 3 destroyed Spitfire VIII: 14 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Balikpapan , at 31,64 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 15 J2M Jack x 6 Ki-84-Ia Frank x 5 Allied aircraft F4U-1D Corsair x 10 P-47D Thunderbolt x 19 Japanese aircraft losses - extremely poor results... A6M5 Zeke: 11 destroyed J2M Jack: 5 destroyed Ki-84-Ia Frank: 10 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged P-47D Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Kendari , at 33,71 Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft P-38J Lightning x 46 B-29 Superfortress x 50 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-57-II Topsy: 8 destroyed L2D2 Tabby: 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses B-29 Superfortress: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 12 casualties reported Airbase hits 7 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 15 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Menado , at 39,67 Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft P-40N Warhawk x 5 P-38J Lightning x 19 B-29 Superfortress x 12 Japanese aircraft losses B7A Grace: 1 destroyed G4M2 Betty: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses B-29 Superfortress: 3 damaged Japanese ground losses: 15 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Airbase hits 2 Runway hits 13 Aircraft Attacking: 9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet 3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Morotai , at 43,68 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 1 A6M5c Zeke x 10 Allied aircraft F-5C Lightning x 2 B-24J Liberator x 17 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zeke: 2 destroyed A6M5c Zeke: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 3 destroyed L2D2 Tabby: 3 destroyed Ki-57-II Topsy: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged Japanese ground losses: 66 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Airbase hits 4 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 38 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Andy is now ready to send his ac out against surface TFs: Day Air attack on TF at 34,62 Allied aircraft FM-2 Wildcat x 16 F6F Hellcat x 100 F4U-1D Corsair x 16 Corsair IV x 6 SB2C Helldiver x 45 No Allied losses Japanese Ships AK Udo Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Last of the enemy convoy is finished of: Day Air attack on TF at 50,63 Japanese aircraft D4Y Judy x 19 Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 11 Ki-21 Sally x 17 No Japanese losses Allied Ships AK Edward Luckenbach, Bomb hits 9, on fire, heavy damage sinks Allied ground losses: 145 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- East of Kavieng: Day Air attack on TF, near Tabar at 62,86 Japanese aircraft P1Y Frances x 3 Japanese aircraft losses P1Y Frances: 2 damaged Allied Ships APD Herbert, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage sinks [8D] Aircraft Attacking: 3 x P1Y Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Towards Samarinda - Balikpapan Our fleets will soon be in position and prepare to deal the enemy a mortal blow! [image]local://upfiles/1466/15359487ED7744C3B81D37000DB6D748.jpg[/image]

Nikademus -> RE: The Coming Battle (8/10/2006 3:17:06 AM)
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TheElf -> RE: KAMIKAZE! (8/10/2006 8:32:35 AM)
Muchas Gracias Amigo.[;)] Next Time I'm in the Med you and I are going to have hit the clubs dude.

PzB74 -> Enemy invasion force of Balikpapan! (8/10/2006 8:14:38 PM)
The Invasion Fleet is now only 1 hex from Balikpapan/Samarinda. Tomorrow Andy will make landfall! We wait patiently....forecast: Rainy - perfect! The following actions have been ordered: 1. A select number of bomber units have been put on naval attack. We will probe for openings and stray ships. In the case of a bombardment I think the enemy TF will attempt to return to base. Want to exploit this. 2. I noticed that our A6M5 Zeke got a higher max altitude than the enemys F6F Hellcat. Some 38k feet vs 37300. I have ordered 50 Zekes on Kami attacks. Target is enemy transports and soft combatants near Borneo. 3. Army Air Force bombers have been ordered to hit Tomini. 4. A strong CAP/LRCAP has been put over Samarinda. This is were I think Andy will land. Also a strong CAP over Balikpapan. 5. All land combat units in Balikpapan/Samarinda have been ordered to march towards their opposite base. In all we should manage to must more than 600 assault points for the defense as well as 9 and 7 forts. Thx Elf, you live down south? AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/06/44 Sub/ASW Attacks 1 enemy sub reported sunk by asw ac. Our minelaying subs bumps into the invasion fleet... Sub attack at 35,46 Japanese Ships PC Fumi Maru #3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage MSW W.14 PC Shonan Maru #17 PG Nikkai Maru PG Nanpo Maru PG Chosa Maru MSW Toshi Maru #5 Allied Ships SS Picuda ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ASW attack at 33,64 Japanese Ships SS I-179, hits 2 Allied Ships DD Grayson DD Nicholson DD Bradford DD Black DD Bennion DD Bennett DD Bell DD Charles Ausburne -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 33,64 Japanese Ships SS I-179, hits 9, on fire, heavy damage sinks Allied Ships DD Craven DD Buchanan DD Cassin Young DD Waller DD Twining DD Tingey DD Aulick CL Raleigh CVL Monterey -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air Combat No CAP over Samarinda, had transports airlifting reinforcements! Day Air attack on Samarinda , at 31,63 Allied aircraft Spitfire VIII x 16 P-38J Lightning x 6 No Allied losses -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Balikpapan , at 31,64 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 37 N1K1-J George x 17 J2M Jack x 11 Ki-84-Ia Frank x 10 Allied aircraft F4U-1 Corsair x 12 Spitfire VIII x 17 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zeke: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged N1K1-J George: 3 destroyed J2M Jack: 2 destroyed Ki-84-Ia Frank: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F4U-1 Corsair: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged Spitfire VIII: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Balikpapan , at 31,64 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 12 N1K1-J George x 10 J2M Jack x 7 Ki-84-Ia Frank x 6 Allied aircraft F4U-1D Corsair x 13 P-47D Thunderbolt x 20 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zeke: 9 destroyed N1K1-J George: 3 destroyed J2M Jack: 3 destroyed Ki-84-Ia Frank: 8 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F4U-1D Corsair: 1 damaged P-47D Thunderbolt: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Balikpapan , at 31,64 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 8 J2M Jack x 6 Ki-84-Ia Frank x 1 Allied aircraft PB4Y Liberator x 5 B-29 Superfortress x 54 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zeke: 3 destroyed, 3 damaged J2M Jack: 1 damaged Ki-84-Ia Frank: 2 destroyed Ki-57-II Topsy: 6 destroyed Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 1 destroyed L3Y Tina: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses B-29 Superfortress: 10 damaged Airbase hits 6 Airbase supply hits 4 Runway hits 38 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There were at least 20 Allied air strikes against Jap bases in the Central Pacific today. I clicked them off quite indifferently. Day Air attack on TF, near Balikpapan at 31,64 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 8 J2M Jack x 6 Ki-84-Ia Frank x 1 Allied aircraft FM-2 Wildcat x 16 F6F Hellcat x 98 F4U-1D Corsair x 32 Corsair IV x 6 SB2C Helldiver x 45 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zeke: 8 destroyed J2M Jack: 6 destroyed Ki-84-Ia Frank: 1 destroyed Japanese Ships AP Uchide Maru, Bomb hits 12, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Was one ship left of 'the lost convoy'! Day Air attack on TF at 49,65 Japanese aircraft D4Y Judy x 17 Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 14 Ki-21 Sally x 9 No Japanese losses Allied Ships AK Susana, Bomb hits 7, on fire, heavy damage Allied ground losses: 151 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Vehicles lost 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Some 'teasers' tested the enemy's Uber CAP! As Andy needs 10 Marine Corsair Sqds... [8\|] Day Air attack on TF at 32,64 Japanese aircraft Ki-21 Sally x 6 Allied aircraft FM-2 Wildcat x 139 F6F Hellcat x 273 F4U-1D Corsair x 45 Corsair IV x 7 Spitfire VIII x 3 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21 Sally: 6 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Spitfire VIII: 1 damaged --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

PzB74 -> RE: Enemy invasion force of Balikpapan! (8/10/2006 9:03:03 PM)
To intercept the enemy invasion fleet isn't only dangerous - it is lethal for both our air force and fleet. The only way our air force can get through depends on the fleets ability to damage and scatter the enemy fleets. This will come at a great cost, and a miscalculation will leave the capital ships exposed to 500 enemy carrier bombers. Still, if Borneo falls the game as we knows it will come to an end. Within the end of the year most of Borneo will be in enemy hand, the spice will no longer flow and Java, Malaya, Sumatra and Burma will be open for enemy invasion. With this much at stake I feel obliged to make an attempt at stopping the enemy invasion. Andy is already low on Hellcats and pilots, and a failed invasion will buy us many more months - in which Borneo and other important areas can be strengthened while more resources and oil reaches the Home Islands. Here is a list of the Fleets available to us: 1st Carrier Fleet: CV Taiho 72 Zekes 2 cvls 54 Zekes 7 destroyers Escort Carrier Fleet 3 cves: 20 Zekes and 9 Jills 7 destoyers 1st Battle Fleet: BB Yamato and Musashi 2 ca 1 cl 10 destroyers 2nd Battle Fleet BB Nagato and Musashi 2 ca 1 cl 7 destroyers 3rd Battle Fleet BB Yamashiro, Fuso, Hyuga 7 destroyers Fast Battlecruiser Fleet BB Kongo, Kirishima 2 ca 1 cl 5 destroyers 1st Destroyer Flotilla 5 destroyers In Java the 1st Cruiser Squadron with 2 ca's and 3 destroyers will soon be joined by another 3 destroyers. NW of the Palaus the light carrier Ibuki with 27 Zekes is escorted by 2 ca's, 2 cl's and 3 destroyers. The plan is to hit the enemy landings: I will even consider ordering some of my fleets to stay and fight not only during the night, but also during daytime. The enemy carriers will target our carriers first, and in the chaos that follows I will release hundreds of naval bombers and kamikazes. Comments?

Fishbed -> RE: Enemy invasion force of Balikpapan! (8/10/2006 9:12:45 PM)
Well. I hate being one of those who'll tell you to throw the kitchen sink, but, well... Looks reasonable when it comes to today's situation. Do you want to eat them tomorrow, sending the ships throughout all the suspect hex?

aztez -> RE: Enemy invasion force of Balikpapan! (8/10/2006 9:15:13 PM)
That is one devious plan! [;)] I like it and I actually think you have high odds to succeed with this "offensive".

castor troy -> RE: The Coming Battle (8/10/2006 9:20:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PzB Our current ac production: 3100 air frames pr month and 3700 engines. This amounts to 37k pr year - if Japan historically produced 27k air frames in 44, I have succeeded in increasing this by 30%. This isn't that horrendous, is it [&:] After all we have more resources and a more unified command, right Pauk [;)] Also notice that the 'Peggy' will go into production next month. [image]local://upfiles/1466/651025B05DE94562BF2B68F32AE27CCC.jpg[/image] PzB, you�re not really producing many Peggies. With the Sallies that autoupgrade to them you then will have around 140 (don�t know how many Helens you produce). The Peggy could be a good bomber for you as it�s the only IJA bomber that can carry a torp. Don�t know if it can carry a torp in the version you started your game though. You could check that.

Sneer -> RE: The Coming Battle (8/10/2006 9:29:57 PM)
Andy will never be as weak within next 6 months and after next 6 months you will have nothing to say as you will be cut off oil

PzB74 -> RE: The Coming Battle (8/10/2006 9:45:45 PM)
My Peggy's only carries bombs...barely worth upgrading from Sallys/Helens [:'(] Yes, I think it's now or never! Let us strike while the war still can be concluded favorably. This won't be an option in 6 months [sm=Crazy-1271.gif]

AmiralLaurent -> RE: The Coming Battle (8/10/2006 9:46:59 PM)
PzB, how much oil have you in stock in Japan ? I think you should already start to close some factories as the George one... You have in stock 4 times as much as you lost in 8 months. No need to produce others IMOO... I think Andy can take Samarinda, then can hope to hold Balikpapan and Tarakan (how much troops do you have here?). Even if this is the case, you will still have Java and Palembang more or less usable...

Fishbed -> RE: The Coming Battle (8/10/2006 9:48:05 PM)
PzB and Andy should start to find a way to make money with their topics. I mean, there are so many people watching these two topics and waiting for the clash, it's about time to open an online-betting service and fill-in some pockets [:D]

PzB74 -> RE: The Coming Battle (8/10/2006 9:54:42 PM)
Will check the oil stocks when I get the next turn Laurent! The reason why I haven't closed down the George plants is that I'm receiving more and more of it - and it's my best fighter. Planning to use them as interceptors, both green and trained. Ac stats counts for much more than pilot quality as we all know. The George also got a max ceiling of some 41k feet, this will make it impossible to intercept it on Kami missions. Too bad it carriers such a light load. Since Balikpapan has 9 forts to Samarinda's 7, I have actually sent half of the defenders to the latter. Say 20k troops in all 3 bases, 250, 350 and 325 assault points. Tarakan also got 9 forts. It will take some time to capture these bases. I'm counting on Andy sending in bombardment TFs nex turn, will try to catch them as they sail NE or SW to RTB. So what's the odds at currently Fish? [;)]

Honda -> RE: The Coming Battle (8/10/2006 10:20:18 PM)
I think you really shouldn't send kamis from such extreme altitudes. They didn't exactly teleport from their set altitude to sea level as the do in WitP so it would be very unfair to use it that way. If you think about it, you could wipe out Allied Death Star in a single mass kami attack with just losses form flak. I know everything about the uberCAP issue but this also seems to much. I thing you are doing a great job as it is.

PzB74 -> RE: The Coming Battle (8/10/2006 10:21:44 PM)
Here is a comparison of industrial stocks and output from May to July 1944! As you can see most of the stocks are stable. I have turned of armaments factories and stocks are down a bit much, have to adjust. Also just recently turned of large merchant shipyards. As you can see we have a nice pool by now. From now on I will try to stop further expansion of ac frames. While our reserves of Mitsubishi engines is increasing, we're running low on Nakajimas. Increasing stocks of Nakajima engines will become a priority! Guess we have to stop the drain first [;)] Still, I think the overall situation is good. Andy's raid on Balikpapan reduced oil output a bit. Our big tanker convoys are currently filling up in Sumatra and Java. Question for the logistical wizards: How long can our industry keep going with a monthly decline of ca 10% for resources and oil starting in September! [image]local://upfiles/1466/90A0936F3D37417ABAAD2BCE6E755AA2.jpg[/image]

PzB74 -> RE: The Coming Battle (8/10/2006 10:24:17 PM)
Corsairs can still intercept at any altitude Honda, let's see how it works out. My high altitude fighters doesn't carry enough punch to hurt neither cvs, bbs, or cas. So I think it's only fair if we manage to land some hits every now and then. I really 'HATE' the invincible Uber CAP! [:@] [;)]

Honda -> RE: The Coming Battle (8/10/2006 10:28:16 PM)
So Corsair has even higher cieling? If so, disregard my previous post and hit 'im with all you got! At max alt!!![:D][:D][:D]

ChezDaJez -> RE: The Coming Battle (8/10/2006 10:31:34 PM)
quote: Our current ac production: 3100 air frames pr month and 3700 engines. This amounts to 37k pr year - if Japan historically produced 27k air frames in 44, I have succeeded in increasing this by 30%. This isn't that horrendous, is it After all we have more resources and a more unified command, right Pauk My answer to your question is...... yes and no. Japan's expanded manufacturing capacity in 1944 greatly exceed the flow of materials needed to produce the required items. Assuming that the SRA and China is able to supply the home islands with the necessary raw materials, then the production levels you are using are attainable. Basically its up to the allied player to cut down on the flow of materials to Japan. If the player doesn't engage in a full scale submarine campaign against Japan's merchants, he is allowing Japan to make the most of her production capacity. That's why it is critical for the Japanese player to safeguard her SLOCs to the best of her ability and doubly critical for the allies to interdict them. An allied player who doesn't attempt a major interdiction of Japan's merchant fleets has no right to complain that Japan is producing too much late in the war. BTW, only about 18000 of the 28000+ aircraft produced in 1944 were true combat aircraft. The rest were trainers, logistics, patrol, and recon types. The number of fighters you are producing were possible if Japan beglected to build the other types. For example, the Japanese produced just over 4000 A6M series aircraft in 1944. Your production is over 7700. It could be done but at the expense of other types. If the game truely modeled production accurately, you would need to produce trainers for your pilots. But as it is, trainer aircraft production is abstracted as is PT boats, barges and landing craft. Chez

PzB74 -> RE: The Coming Battle (8/10/2006 10:31:48 PM)
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PzB74 -> RE: The Coming Battle (8/10/2006 10:37:30 PM)
True Chez, but I'm loosing at least a 1000 Zekes each year during my training of pilots. So you can subtract these from the grand total... Add to the Uber CAP and Corsair menace, I really think Japan needs 7-8k Zekes in 44 to make the game playable. Just my subjective 2c [;)]

Honda -> RE: The Coming Battle (8/10/2006 10:41:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PzB �[sm=00000028.gif] [sm=mad-1003.gif] Soooo, I guess this is the graphic representation of high-alt kamis menacing the Allied CVs?[:D]

PzB74 -> RE: The Coming Battle (8/10/2006 10:43:00 PM)
How did you guess [:D] As soon as that happens (if it happens) Andy will cry for his 10 Marine F4U Squadrons! [;)]

Fishbed -> RE: The Coming Battle (8/10/2006 10:54:55 PM)
Tokyo, CNN�(Comprehensive News Network) TV studios, Evening News "...definitely these SNLF guys are smelly people with no manners, and while bombs still fall all over the place,�well that's�all these monkey deserve on their sandy dot�-�hey back off you�jerk!.....ouch!..... Well ahem as you see�morale is high as always, with no room for defeat. Ah, Tokugawa's ghost kills me if�it's not them coming back! Something is heading my way, I have to get into the shelter. Kokyo Mogami, CNN, back to you Tokyo, BANZAIIIII! krshhhhhhhhhh BAOUM krshhhhhhhhh" - Mogami-chan, Mogami-chan, do you hear us? Looks like a problem with the satellite... Yes terrible situation now in Otori-Shima, nearly daily bombed by the despicable imperialist forces. We will wait for the attack to be over before getting back to our special reporter Kokyo Mogami�reporting now�from�Otori-Shima, shiny glorious outpost of our brilliant civilization!�[CNN gingle while the camera get backwards and the presentator, Harama Chezdajezaru,�turns herself and her long legs�to face today's interviewed expert] Admiral Paukushawa of the Imperial Navy Headquarters�is our today's guest�for this evening Southern Seas special. Your opinion about the situation of our TV�crew over there, Paukushawa-sama? - Well like my Uncle would say, I guess�Mogami-kun is, according to�our technical military�glossary,�in a�deep brown dirty�sht right now, but well, you know what she can sometimes manage to do with her body. Anyway, you know she smells the way GIs seem to�like it, there should be no problem. Big tits help anyway. - Ahem [glancing at the camera trying to make them understand thay'd better cut certain passages for the forthcoming broadcast]. Well thanks for the technical statement. Time for us to reach our official online bookmaker for the last odds about the upcoming Bornean challenge between the magnificient Nihon Kaigun Tigers�and the West Coast pirates. Laurent-sensei, do you hear me? How's today's activity about the odds of each side? - Good evening I hear you perfectly Chezdajezaru darling [Sigh* Harama thinks, these Frenchmen are so romantic]. Well everything is ok over there, and shine like a thousand katana blades. Internet activity is hot tonight with bets coming from all over the world for the upcoming confrontation that certainly will be a finale to be remembered. Some sources believe audience will be as high as a Football World Cup broadcast, we are confident, even if tonight's show is somewhat hampered by the 24/7 special broadcasts�on every channel since the Normandy Landing two days ago, where both sides are�giving a great show. - What about the odds Laurent-sensei? - Good for the glory of the Empire. My own pronostic was something like a slight advantage to the opposing force when it comes to dead planes everywhere - you know how our team offensive capabilities can be somewhat weak thanks to the new Corsair team defending the US goals - but the announcement made some hours ago about the commitment of the battlewagons surely tended to make the odds shift in Japan's favor. I would say 2 to 1 for Japan, but a draw would still be a positive result for the national team. - Any reaction from the betters? - We're receiving a lot of SMS over there, from cellular phones all over the Empire. Here are some comments: "U are�gonna kick some a$$�U PzB bloke, I did bet�a Sake bottle on your head,�make me loose that and�I'll kick you in the nut$!"�written by some�Yamashita,�from Harbin, Madchoukuo; "You're a real friend PzB-san, get me some more work old bean"�by an anonymous sender in�Bethpage, NY state; "Everytime people talk about Balikpapan I�can't help�getting�soooooooooo excited, do you have any pic of PzB naked? God Im sorry Im feeling so hot" by Nikademusha, Pluto (didn't know they had cellular relays up there). Apparently, everyone is expecting a lot from this encounter, and we shouldn't get surprised if the audience blows the ceilings tomorrow! Laurent for CNN, back to you now honey! - Well thanks Laurent [facing the guest now]. Any comment from you Paukushawa-sama? - All I can tell you for now is that our team coach is such a bad-a$$ you never know what kind of witty and sneaky�plot he is�planning back in his secret headquarters surrounded with his dozen submissed concubines. Fear the blade and the powder I can tell you it's gonna rock, maybe even twice�like that time when Mogami-kun happened to come�with her short skirt to my place last summer, with cherrytree flowers all over the area... The difference is that you don't shg PzB just like you'd shg Mogami-kun, I can tell you. Moreover... - Well we get the picture I believe�Admiral, thanks. Time now for the weather forecast!"

PzB74 -> RE: The Coming Battle (8/10/2006 11:20:21 PM)
[:D] [&o]A most entertaining narrative Fish! Sent you a picture of my secret weapon, the Tokyo Rose - which has to remain undercover and hidden for the public [;)] Here is a comparison table of max altitudes for Jap/Allied ac. As you can see even Corsairs can't reach our Zekes...it will take P-38s, P-47s, P-51s and Spits. Will be interesting...attacking capital ships with fighter Kamis will be quite ineffective. Let's see what happens! Don't want to be Uber gamey, but the use of moderate amounts of high altitude fighter Kamis may be a way to ensure that some bombers actually get through - which in all fairness I think they should. [image]local://upfiles/1466/662989306FFC43D5AA126C858C08B799.jpg[/image]

Fishbed -> RE: The Coming Battle (8/10/2006 11:28:33 PM)
quote: Sent you a picture of my secret weapon, the Tokyo Rose - which has to remain undercover and hidden for the public Well they'll have to kill me first before I reveal anything about your secret [;)] But btw I can only encourage other people to write the same kind of awful stuff if they are to be rewarded the same way I was [:D] [;)]

String -> RE: The Coming Battle (8/10/2006 11:31:04 PM)
I don't think you ought to do the 38k feet dodge with your zekes. They WILL wreak havoc with andys carriers and they will do it in a way that is totally unhistorical. No way could the Zeke dive fast enough to escape the F6F or the F4U. If it tried to outrun them it would just disintegrate.

Nemo121 -> RE: The Coming Battle (8/10/2006 11:31:46 PM)
And historically speaking there were two kamikaze flight profiles: 1. Moderate altitude diving to the deck as they encountered CAP/FlAK etc. 2. Ultra-high altitude diving attack. The Japanese found that while the second was much less likely to be succesfully intercepted it was also much more likely to miss ( mostly due to compressibility effects) but it is a valid operational choice for you to make. I would suggest that you not go for a one-day victory but plan a longer contest in which you attrit his fighter pools over his carriers over the course of a few days ( even at the cost of allowing the landing to go in). Once his fighter numbers ( and strike group numbers) are attrited then will be the time to send in kamis and the surface strike groups. If you send 500 kamis and strike planes in before his fighters are sufficiently attritted they will achieve little. Don't forget that so long as you can keep the airfield closed and force his carriers to withdraw any troops he lands in southern Borneo can be counter-invaded by your troops. You have to ask yourself what your aim is? Is it to forestall an invasion occurring ( I think that is not achievable) or is it to end up in a superior strategic position one month from now ( which may well be achieved by allowing the invasion to occur as the price for gaining the time required to attrit enemy fighter and strike groups). Don't get seduced by the temptation to end this all quickly. Attrition, in this instance, works for you. Decisive action is likely to be almost entirely favourable to the Allies.

Nemo121 -> RE: The Coming Battle (8/10/2006 11:34:30 PM)
String, The reason such diving attacks were succesful was simply because they allowed the Zeroes to get into position for the dive without having an F6F or somesuch on their tail at that instant. Sure if there were an F6F there then the dive would end in failure but in reality there is not always a plane in perfect position to intercept every attacking enemy bomber ( as the WiTP uebercap phenomenon would have you believe). It happened in real life and was one of the two main historical attack profiles. I think that sufficiently answers any cries of "gameyness".

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