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RE: Simple Survey - 5/24/2009 10:48:00 PM   
MorningDew

 

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Status: offline 		AI Opponent - 20%
Net Play 20%
PBEM - 60%

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RE: Simple Survey - 5/25/2009 4:15:10 AM   
Dgold

 

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Status: offline 		Solitaire - 5%

Head-to-head (Hotseat) - 0%

AI Opponent - will largely depends on how the AI will be - 70%

NetPlay - 0%

PBEM - 25%

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Post #: 182
RE: Simple Survey - 5/26/2009 12:18:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I think I waited long enough.  I posted a poll over at the WiF discussion group back on May 15...its been 10 days now and have gotten 31 responses.  The poll is a bit limiting since it is not possible to answer with percentages, only one answer allowed.  The WiF discussion list is made up mostly of long-time WiF'ers and basically Grognards who also play many other wargames.  The results with 31 responses:
NetPlay=13 votes(42%)
PBEM=5 votes(16%)
HotSeat=0 votes(0%)
AI=10 votes(32%)
Solitaire=3 votes(10%)

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RE: Simple Survey - 5/26/2009 12:20:19 AM   
Shannon V. OKeets

 

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ORIGINAL: Jagdtiger14

Well, I think I waited long enough.  I posted a poll over at the WiF discussion group back on May 15...its been 10 days now and have gotten 31 responses.  The poll is a bit limiting since it is not possible to answer with percentages, only one answer allowed.  The WiF discussion list is made up mostly of long-time WiF'ers and basically Grognards who also play many other wargames.  The results with 31 responses:
NetPlay=13 votes(42%)
PBEM=5 votes(16%)
HotSeat=0 votes(0%)
AI=10 votes(32%)
Solitaire=3 votes(10%)

Thanks for th einformation.

How did you word the question?

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RE: Simple Survey - 5/26/2009 4:13:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets


How did you word the question?

Here it is:

Matrix WiF(computer WiF): If you have an interest in buying MWiF(computer WiF), which mode of play interests you most: NetPlay is vs human opponent over internet. PBEM is Play By E-Mail Hot Seat is vs face to face human opponent on same computer. AI only against MWiF program. Solitaire vs yourself.

NetPlay
PBEM
Hot Seat
Artificial Inteligence
Solitaire

(Radio button choices.)

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RE: Simple Survey - 5/26/2009 4:18:44 AM   
Shannon V. OKeets

 

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ORIGINAL: paulderynck

quote:

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets


How did you word the question?

Here it is:

Matrix WiF(computer WiF): If you have an interest in buying MWiF(computer WiF), which mode of play interests you most: NetPlay is vs human opponent over internet. PBEM is Play By E-Mail Hot Seat is vs face to face human opponent on same computer. AI only against MWiF program. Solitaire vs yourself.

NetPlay
PBEM
Hot Seat
Artificial Inteligence
Solitaire

(Radio button choices.)

Thanks.

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RE: Simple Survey - 5/26/2009 4:50:31 AM   
sapper_astro

 

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Status: offline 		paulderynck, where is this discussion group? I cannot find it.

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RE: Simple Survey - 5/26/2009 5:17:12 PM   
obermeister


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Status: offline 		Here is the URL:  http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/wifdiscussion/messages

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Post #: 188
RE: Simple Survey - 5/26/2009 9:12:51 PM   
Cunctator

 

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20% PBEM

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RE: Simple Survey - 5/27/2009 12:28:48 PM   
pzgndr

 

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RE: Simple Survey - 5/28/2009 12:37:24 AM   
CSSS

 

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From: TEXAS
Status: offline 		AI 60%
PBEM 30%
ONLINE 10%

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Post #: 191
RE: Simple Survey - 5/28/2009 1:05:55 AM   
ETF


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From: Vancouver, Canada
Status: offline 		AI - For tutorial only
NetPLay - 99%
PBEM - Man it would take months to play a game :)

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Post #: 192
RE: Simple Survey - 5/28/2009 4:34:39 PM   
lavisj

 

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Status: offline 		I would probably play AI at first to learn the interface and make the discovery of the map.
After that "tutorial":

Netplay: 70%
PBEM: 30%

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Post #: 193
RE: Simple Survey - 5/28/2009 4:43:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pzgndr

AI Opponent - the player takes one side and the Artificial Intellengent Opponent plays the other.



This means 100% AI Opponent ?

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Post #: 194
RE: Simple Survey - 5/28/2009 4:45:23 PM   
Froonp


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ORIGINAL: ETF
PBEM - Man it would take months to play a game :)

Months ?
It already takes months to play the face to face game.
PBEM will need years.

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RE: Simple Survey - 5/28/2009 7:26:15 PM   
Shannon V. OKeets

 

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

quote:

ORIGINAL: ETF
PBEM - Man it would take months to play a game :)

Months ?
It already takes months to play the face to face game.
PBEM will need years.

Not necessarily. It would be quite possilbe to send several emails a day for simple stuff. With a little dedication, the two players could complete one or two turns a week - which is about the same as for over-the-board, if I am not mistaken.

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RE: Simple Survey - 5/28/2009 7:27:16 PM   
micheljq


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ORIGINAL: Froonp

quote:

ORIGINAL: ETF
PBEM - Man it would take months to play a game :)

Months ?
It already takes months to play the face to face game.
PBEM will need years.


We already take years to complete a board campaign, 2 years for a Global war.

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Post #: 197
RE: Simple Survey - 5/28/2009 7:34:57 PM   
Genda

 

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Status: offline 		AI 100% though I intend to try PBEM at some point

g

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Post #: 198
RE: Simple Survey - 5/28/2009 7:38:29 PM   
Shannon V. OKeets

 

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ORIGINAL: Genda

AI 100% though I intend to try PBEM at some point

g

I interpretted that as 95% AIO and 5% PBEM - close enough?

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RE: Simple Survey - 5/28/2009 7:54:36 PM   
Froonp


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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
quote:

ORIGINAL: Froonp

quote:

ORIGINAL: ETF
PBEM - Man it would take months to play a game :)

Months ?
It already takes months to play the face to face game.
PBEM will need years.

Not necessarily. It would be quite possilbe to send several emails a day for simple stuff. With a little dedication, the two players could complete one or two turns a week - which is about the same as for over-the-board, if I am not mistaken.

Sorry, I was joking, I have no idea of how long PBEM games can take.
I only know about our home games, that have a duration of about 150 hours for playing the 36 turns game, with an average total of 250 impulses played.

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RE: Simple Survey - 5/29/2009 12:48:22 AM   
Gurggulk


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Solitaire - 10%.

Head-to-head (Hotseat) - 5%

AI Opponent - 15%.

NetPlay - 30%

PBEM - 40%

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RE: Simple Survey - 5/29/2009 1:11:05 AM   
pzgndr

 

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ORIGINAL: Froonp
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ORIGINAL: pzgndr
AI Opponent - the player takes one side and the Artificial Intellengent Opponent plays the other.

This means 100% AI Opponent ?


Playing the computer opponent at my pace and my convenience is my initial preference. I don't have any experience with this game nor time to commit to long campaigns with human opponents. At some point later once I'm comfortable with the game and my schedule becomes less hectic, I'll consider pbem. I'm in the same boat with EiA, and still waiting for that game to get up to speed before I claim any sort of quality experience there. I have played other games via pbem so I'm not opposed to that or anything; my preference for now is the AI.

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RE: Simple Survey - 5/29/2009 1:38:49 AM   
Shannon V. OKeets

 

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ORIGINAL: Gurggulk


Solitaire - 10%.

Head-to-head (Hotseat) - 5%

AI Opponent - 15%.

NetPlay - 30%

PBEM - 40%

Welcome to the forum. You might want to examine the threads at the top of the forum to get an overview of the thousands of posts. If you have questions, just ask - someone should be able to answer them for you.

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RE: Simple Survey - 5/29/2009 2:32:44 AM   
Gurggulk


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Welcome to the forum.


Thank you for the greeting Shannon. I've been reading the forum alot lately.
Many great topics created by so many great people out there. Hope to have some input to some of the threads.

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RE: Simple Survey - 5/29/2009 8:56:42 AM   
rkr1958


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Solitaire - 50 %
AI Opponent - 50%


Hey ... How come I didn't get a welcome to the forum? ...

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Post #: 205
RE: Simple Survey - 5/29/2009 10:43:34 AM   
Manfred

 

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Status: offline 		solitaire : 0%
AI : 0 % (if the AI is not challenging at all I won't play against it, but if it's a good one I can raise to 20%)
PBEM : 80 % (the easiest way to play the game when you want to, but at the price of a slow pace)
netplay : 20 % (would like more but I can't figure how I could negociate with my wife and son to stand whole afternoon and evenings in front of the PC)
face to face : 0%

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RE: Simple Survey - 5/29/2009 4:31:11 PM   
Froonp


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ORIGINAL: rkr1958


quote:

ORIGINAL: rkr1958

Solitaire - 50 %
AI Opponent - 50%


Hey ... How come I didn't get a welcome to the forum? ...

Hey, here is one :

Welcome to the forum. You might want to examine the threads at the top of the forum to get an overview of the thousands of posts. If you have questions, just ask - someone should be able to answer them for you.


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RE: Simple Survey - 5/29/2009 6:20:36 PM   
Shannon V. OKeets

 

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ORIGINAL: rkr1958


quote:

ORIGINAL: rkr1958

Solitaire - 50 %
AI Opponent - 50%


Hey ... How come I didn't get a welcome to the forum? ...

Sorry. Perfection is an elusive goal - one I struggle with everyday. The more pressure I feel and/or the deeper I am into complex problems, the more my social skills atrophy. But that has been true for me since 1st grade.

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RE: Simple Survey - 5/30/2009 1:12:54 AM   
rkr1958


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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets


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ORIGINAL: rkr1958


quote:

ORIGINAL: rkr1958

Solitaire - 50 %
AI Opponent - 50%


Hey ... How come I didn't get a welcome to the forum? ...

Sorry. Perfection is an elusive goal - one I struggle with everyday. The more pressure I feel and/or the deeper I am into complex problems, the more my social skills atrophy. But that has been true for me since 1st grade.
I'm impressed by the effort and skill that you have put into porting WiF to the computer. I'm impressed and overwhelmed by the scope of this game and the skill of the players here. I'm intrigued and definitely interested in it and definitely want to give it a go. But; I feel I don't have the time to learn it properly or time to play someone else. That's why I'm interested in AI and Solitaire play.

I think it was a suggestion by the "Mad Russian" in another thread who suggested that the best way to learn this game was play as the Allies as they historically had to "learn" how to fight the Germans.

By the way I've never played WiF. I learned of the existence of the game a year or so ago. I played AH 3rd Reich years ago and have played the computer version of it. At the moment I'm involved in several CEaW PBEM games.


< Message edited by rkr1958 -- 5/30/2009 1:14:14 AM >

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RE: Simple Survey - 6/2/2009 6:41:40 AM   
Titi

 

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10% against the AI to learn the game.

90% multiplayers but i think netplay and PBEM must be two tools of the same game aka multiplayer.  Will write a word about that on the other threat.

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