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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/9/2012 3:26:30 PM   
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Kind of makes you hurt though to see the poor Westies take it on the chin again.

I love college football, and Army-Navy is one of my favorites. It is amazing how hard you will try, just to sing second.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/9/2012 3:49:44 PM   
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Yea Navy!!

Kind of makes you hurt though to see the poor Westies take it on the chin again.

I love college football, and Army-Navy is one of my favorites. It is amazing how hard you will try, just to sing second.


No other football game can come close to this one, Gabede. They play for tradition and honor against detested opponents for whom they will very willingly give their own life to save tomorrow. This game matters, and the young man who has been the QB for Army the last 4 years was not ashamed to remind us all of that. I would be proud to follow him into battle.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/9/2012 5:53:56 PM   
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Turn up


Turn to Steve.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/9/2012 5:54:44 PM   
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Saturday evening tithe.

The carton mountain is slowly receding. There's some problems moving to a slightly smaller place. Having storage problems.


No place to put the møøse?


As I said, they've migrated to the North Pole during winter. They'll come back to graze during summer.


In other words you'll find a place to stow him later.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/9/2012 5:55:07 PM   
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PC up and running. Go me!

... now if I just can find why the sound isn't working ...


Did you check if it's plugged in?


Fixed. Noted that I only had half the RAM I should have, so I unscrewed a side plate and had a check inside. It seems that the move was a little bumpy, as one of the RAM modules had shaken a little loose. Same thing with the sound card.


Ah! That's happened to me once or twice.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/9/2012 5:55:49 PM   
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Thanks Torsten. Good info. The pic I saw had it in regular German colors. Were they used for long?

I guess less than ten years.
They were modernized to NATO-standards quite expensively, but the Luftwaffe has the policy not to have more than 3 major warplanes.
So once the Typhoon was introduced, it was Typhoon, Tornado, F-4 and Mig-29. As there were propably 200 F-4 and only ~22 Mig-29, the Migs were sold for 1 € apiece to Poland.


But arnt the 29s like 3 generations newer than the latest Phantom mod?

Sure. The F-4 Phantom is a 3rd Ggneration jet and the Mig-29 a 4th generation that had its avionics modernized to western standards while having a the superior agility of a sovied 4th Generation fighter.

But then, again: The descision was made not to have too many different types of planes to streamline training, maintenance, replacement parts... With only 24 Migs available and roughly 250 F-4 Phantoms, there wasn't really a choice.


So the next question is why did they sell it at fire sale prices?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/9/2012 5:56:14 PM   
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Watch out, or I'll send my kamikaze moose after you. Mixed high and low altitudes.

As long as we don't talk about zombie moose!

I read Mira Grant's Newsflesh trilogy in the US within a week. Entertaining books


How is it back in Deutchland?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/9/2012 5:56:45 PM   
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Or the worlds worst AAR (tm)


Hey, I resemble that remark.


The zombie or the kamikaze bit?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/9/2012 5:57:14 PM   
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Cost of Spitfires set to plummet?


Didnt they find a squadron's worth in Burma somewhere recently?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/9/2012 5:57:46 PM   
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Watch out, or I'll send my kamikaze moose after you. Mixed high and low altitudes.

As long as we don't talk about zombie moose!



Zombie moose vs. Kamikaze moose. This is starting to sound like something out of Monty Python. Or the worlds worst AAR (tm)


Zombie or Kamikaze, it doesn't matter. NOTHING get past our picket Giraffes!







Does he even lift?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/9/2012 5:58:11 PM   
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Cost of Spitfires set to plummet?


Doubtful. Even if they are there they've built houses on top of them. They are also in Birmingham, not somewhere accessible, developed and safe like the Burmese jungle. If they were buried in 1950 then they would be late mark stuff like Mk21 Spitfires which are (comparatively) less valuable.

Besides that, there are only a handful of companies around who could handle the work (if you've got a spare 7 million to spend) and they don't have that much spare capacity. Maybe the chap just wants his flowerbeds turning over?


Wanna open up a side business?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/9/2012 5:58:42 PM   
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Leaving now for a Field Training Exercise recce north of the polar circle. Well, it can't be any colder or more snow up there, can it?

Laters, friends.


Awwww, Per is going to visit his møøse. How cute.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/9/2012 5:59:39 PM   
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Don't eat Rudolph.


Too late. I've had MREs before. If its not Rudolph, its certainly one of his cousins.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/9/2012 6:00:02 PM   
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Wow. Quite the change in weather around these here parts. We'll drop 30 degrees F today and get ~10-12" of the white stuff. Winds gusting to 40 MPH tonight will make for some "interesting" road vis and wind chill (-20 to -30F).

NoDak is getting it worse than we are. Someone got a line on whether Shanilec is still thawed?


Did you close the car window, dumbass?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/9/2012 6:01:32 PM   
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Thanks Torsten. Good info. The pic I saw had it in regular German colors. Were they used for long?

I guess less than ten years.
They were modernized to NATO-standards quite expensively, but the Luftwaffe has the policy not to have more than 3 major warplanes.
So once the Typhoon was introduced, it was Typhoon, Tornado, F-4 and Mig-29. As there were propably 200 F-4 and only ~22 Mig-29, the Migs were sold for 1 € apiece to Poland.


But arnt the 29s like 3 generations newer than the latest Phantom mod?

Sure. The F-4 Phantom is a 3rd Ggneration jet and the Mig-29 a 4th generation that had its avionics modernized to western standards while having a the superior agility of a sovied 4th Generation fighter.

But then, again: The descision was made not to have too many different types of planes to streamline training, maintenance, replacement parts... With only 24 Migs available and roughly 250 F-4 Phantoms, there wasn't really a choice.


So the next question is why did they sell it at fire sale prices?

Export policies:
When the Bundeswehr retires materiel, it is done in this order:
- sell to ally
- sell to close friend (comparable to the US "Non-NATO Ally")
- give for free to ally
- sell for scrap

So they were given to Poland because nobody wanted to pay millions and it was seen as a measure to improve relations with Poland.
Finland getting Leopard 2 for 8.000 Euro apiece is another example.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/9/2012 6:02:00 PM   
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Watch out, or I'll send my kamikaze moose after you. Mixed high and low altitudes.

As long as we don't talk about zombie moose!

I read Mira Grant's Newsflesh trilogy in the US within a week. Entertaining books


How is it back in Deutchland?

cold!

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/9/2012 7:45:03 PM   
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Finland getting Leopard 2 for 8.000 Euro apiece is another example.


You guys are so nice its sickening.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/9/2012 7:45:57 PM   
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Watch out, or I'll send my kamikaze moose after you. Mixed high and low altitudes.

As long as we don't talk about zombie moose!

I read Mira Grant's Newsflesh trilogy in the US within a week. Entertaining books


How is it back in Deutchland?

cold!


Its 21C here....

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/9/2012 7:52:13 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/9/2012 7:52:59 PM   
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Finland getting Leopard 2 for 8.000 Euro apiece is another example.


You guys are so nice its sickening.

Nice?
****ing stupid! Payed for with my money! ****ing arseholes!

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/9/2012 8:09:32 PM   
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Leaving now for a Field Training Exercise recce north of the polar circle. Well, it can't be any colder or more snow up there, can it?



How long you going to be gone, Per? In any case, our regards to Saint Nicholas.


Just until wednesday. Ok, I'll say hello to him from you.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/9/2012 8:10:00 PM   
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Finland getting Leopard 2 for 8.000 Euro apiece is another example.


You guys are so nice its sickening.

Nice?
****ing stupid! Payed for with my money! ****ing arseholes!


Well, the tanks, sure. The MiGs were paid for by Moscow rubles.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/9/2012 8:10:33 PM   
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Don't eat Rudolph.


To late. Just back from dinner. I actually had reindeer. Quite good, but the red nose looked a little out of place.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/9/2012 8:28:23 PM   
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Finland getting Leopard 2 for 8.000 Euro apiece is another example.


You guys are so nice its sickening.

Nice?
****ing stupid! Payed for with my money! ****ing arseholes!


Well, the tanks, sure. The MiGs were paid for by Moscow rubles.

No.

Nobody paid the modernization for us, and the DDR had to pay for their own stuff, being the "wealthiest" of the Warshaw Pact nations. The "wealth" they had consisted of West Germany credits given for dissidents being allowed to leave the country.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/9/2012 8:45:45 PM   
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No.

Nobody paid the modernization for us, and the DDR had to pay for their own stuff, being the "wealthiest" of the Warshaw Pact nations. The "wealth" they had consisted of West Germany credits given for dissidents being allowed to leave the country.


Thats interesting, did not now that. I had assumed that the USSR just handed out free stuff like....like....well, like you guys are.

That begs the question of why those MiGs needed to be modernized in the first place if having them on the books was immediately known to cause issues.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/9/2012 9:25:17 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/9/2012 9:33:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just had a one hour walk in the city of Kiruna. -12C, light snowfall and the wonderful "knirk"-ing sound beneath your shoes when walking around in the snow.

Picture appended. Sorry for the bad picture quality. Obviously, there were some condensation on the mobile camera lens. Also, light wasn't good as it was some time since the sun went down. Today, the sun went up at 11.11am and down 11.52 ...




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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/9/2012 9:56:49 PM   
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I'd guess they had to be renovated to be able to link into the NATO C2 systems

Indeed. And given modern (western) avionics, they are defenitly among the best interceptors there are. So it was worth investing into keeping them from a military point of view.

I don't mind helping out friends, and giving military aid to friends and allies. But the way everything is thrown away for free to nations that could very well afford to pay the full price is just another example how my governments handles the money it robs from me.
The Leopard 2 is among the best tanks in the world, even in the A4 version. Finland only had to pay the scrap metal price for the tanks, while it can still be sold for real money.
But hey! If you are the government, you haven't payed for it with your own money. So why bother acting like it was yours?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/10/2012 12:51:00 AM   
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I need this one I had a verrrry baaaad daaaay!

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/10/2012 6:35:13 AM   
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NUNS!?!? WHERE?







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