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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 4/12/2019 1:37:48 AM   
Lokasenna


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Alfred, as always, is correct. From p. 266 "In addition, if the Allies score an automatic victory after August 31, 1945 the victory scored will only be an Allied Marginal Victory (unless the Allies have used 3 or more A bombs in which case the game would end in a draw)."


That completely goes against what the previous page says. I am reminded of failures in organization of information when it is distributed. Mea culpa.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 4/12/2019 1:41:19 AM   
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So, if you're Allies and have a 1.99 ratio on September 1, 1945, you'd want to be sure to keep under that until the end of the game to get a Decisive Victory (i.e. you'd want to end up between 1.75 and 1.99 in March 1946). You pop the 2.0 threshold you get a Marginal. It's an interesting possibility. CR could pull off a Decisive yet, at least according to the manual's terms.



Not quite. There's a two level shift if time runs out. See section 17.1.1.



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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 4/12/2019 3:01:22 AM   
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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 4/12/2019 3:34:02 AM   
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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 4/12/2019 3:56:18 AM   
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June 13-14, 1945

The Indochinese rail is open completely to Allied troop movements now. The Allies also drop on Bengkalis on Sumatra. I see a carrier group and transports in the straits just South of Georgetown. I've activated a lot of MTBs and a few subs, but I don't have much to stop this from doing what it wants for now. Will the Allies move through and past Singers?

If the Allies are bold and go deep the entire SRA is wide open. There are few troops left to defend the oil and resource centres. More and more transports and tankers are entering the area trying to pull as much as possible before it's all shut down. I've got 30 xAK loading 150k+ resources at Soerabaja, several tanker TFs pulling from both Oosthaven and Palembang to reduce the surplus 120k fuel and 100k oil there, and all other fuel/oil centres are being constantly brought close to zero. Medan is the only one lost so far.
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Wow, still collecting almost all the DEI in June 45 … your economy must be in great shape which bodes very badly for the allies. All of my plans are for losing DEI June 44, anything beyond that is gravy … you have a full year of gravy. That's like 20,000 additional AC for the IJ … huge potential difference …


I feel very fortunate in this, but I'm still feeling the pinch of not having the Northern resource centres. I probably should have pulled more earlier from the SRA, but trying to make up for it by sending literally every remaining xAK to Soerabaja to load up and head back to Tokyo. I could move this 1.5 million resources on Java within a few weeks if all goes to plan.

I'd not considered resources a chokepoint for the IJ late previously, but with an Allied Northern strategy they become much more dear.




The economic constraints on Japan can vary from game to game, but there always is one or more. That the Allied player almost never, ever coordinates their military goals with economic is perhaps one of their greatest failures.

Chalk it up to most Allied players never really understanding Japan's economic system & situation, or perhaps it is simply so easy to rely upon the bigger wrench theory and the path of least resistance.

Whatever, the case, it makes for much longer end games.


Truthfully, it is kinda easy to overlook resources. I mean, who would plan to have DEI oil flowing to mid-45? Without all that extra oil, the resources likely wouldn't be needed. But here, with the economy still running at 100% in mid '45 all of sudden, yeah, the resources are actually needed.

Kinda cool to see this …






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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 4/12/2019 5:09:08 AM   
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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 4/12/2019 8:01:55 PM   
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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 4/12/2019 9:14:38 PM   
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It still comes back to supplies, even with fewer resources from the north. In my small sample size experience, anyway.


It takes resources to make the supplies!

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 4/13/2019 2:57:03 AM   
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It still comes back to supplies, even with fewer resources from the north. In my small sample size experience, anyway.


It takes resources to make the supplies!

Exactly!!!



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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 4/13/2019 4:13:40 PM   
Lokasenna


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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

It still comes back to supplies, even with fewer resources from the north. In my small sample size experience, anyway.


It takes resources to make the supplies!

Exactly!!!




Sure, but unless you've spent a ton of supplies you should still have a ton even in 1945. Hence, it comes back to supplies (and how much you've spent already).

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 4/13/2019 7:49:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna


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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

It still comes back to supplies, even with fewer resources from the north. In my small sample size experience, anyway.


It takes resources to make the supplies!

Exactly!!!




Sure, but unless you've spent a ton of supplies you should still have a ton even in 1945. Hence, it comes back to supplies (and how much you've spent already).


Yes. But the success of the IJA in (so far) holding it's own against the Allies in Burma and somewhat elsewhere has meant thee are a lot of troops to feed. I do have the benefit of a nearly intact Chinese industry, but that can't take care of both the Burma Army and the Chinese Expeditionary Army in combat in China at the same time.

i have a lot more supply than last time I was playing in 45, but still not enough I fear if the industry doesn't keep running flat out for a few more months. Once the Bear is active all bets are off, but I've got to keep the gears turning and refineries working for a bit here.



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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 4/14/2019 3:11:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

It still comes back to supplies, even with fewer resources from the north. In my small sample size experience, anyway.


It takes resources to make the supplies!

Exactly!!!




Sure, but unless you've spent a ton of supplies you should still have a ton even in 1945. Hence, it comes back to supplies (and how much you've spent already).


Yes. But the success of the IJA in (so far) holding it's own against the Allies in Burma and somewhat elsewhere has meant thee are a lot of troops to feed. I do have the benefit of a nearly intact Chinese industry, but that can't take care of both the Burma Army and the Chinese Expeditionary Army in combat in China at the same time.

i have a lot more supply than last time I was playing in 45, but still not enough I fear if the industry doesn't keep running flat out for a few more months. Once the Bear is active all bets are off, but I've got to keep the gears turning and refineries working for a bit here.



It may be possible to have too much supply, but I have never witnessed it.





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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 4/16/2019 9:19:54 PM   
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I thought you might like this snapshot from the Museum of the Pacific War in Fredericksburg, TX. A nice review of the diaspora that was the IJA at the end of the war. Your goal-well, one of your goals-is to bring the boys back home to make a worthwhile defense and avoid this:






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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 4/16/2019 10:16:11 PM   
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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 4/16/2019 10:23:07 PM   
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That's amazing - just about half were not in Japan at that late date!


The Allies' isolation and leapfrog strategy worked very well.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 4/21/2019 7:42:16 PM   
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Obvert,

I thought you might like this snapshot from the Museum of the Pacific War in Fredericksburg, TX. A nice review of the diaspora that was the IJA at the end of the war. Your goal-well, one of your goals-is to bring the boys back home to make a worthwhile defense and avoid this:




thanks. This is great. I'll check my totals and get back on this.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 4/23/2019 11:06:50 AM   
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For the Empire's troop dispersal see the estimated current figures for this game below. Color indicates whether these areas are now controlled by the Allies (Blue) or by Japanese forces (Red). Sumatra and Malaya are mostly in Allied hands but the Japanese still hold key centres; Singapore/Johore Baru and Palembang to Oosthaven.

All of the areas with large troop concentrations on the mainland of Asia and in Japan are estimates, but in relative proportion of strength to each other. Korea and Manchuria are essentially treated as one in game so a lot of troops will be shifting soon as the Soviets prepare to crash across the border.

In Cent Pac forces are mostly just a few naval guards with a base forces. No IDs or arty or AA anywhere. I thought for a while he would go for Truk, but after extended bombing and some naval forces close by there has been no action there or near New Guinea in months. Ditto West OZ toward the DEI.

Central Pacific: 35,000
Bouganville: 0
Rabaul: 0
Phillipines: 40,000
New Guinea, Celebes and Lesser Sundas: 15,000
Borneo: 20,000
Java: 15,000
Thailand/Burma: 0
Malaya/Sumatra:120,000

Manchuria: 350,000 (estimate)
China: 1,600,000 (estimate)
Kuriles: 0
Korea:450,000 (estimate)
Japan: 2,500,000 (estimate)
Ryukyus:40,000
Formosa: 115,000
Bonins: 50,000
French Indo-China: 2,000

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 4/23/2019 1:36:23 PM   
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The Allies go for Hankow and Wuchang at night and during the day, closing Hankow. He's very effective when concentrated, but concentrating all of this power consistently leaves him open to some CAP/LR CAP. It is also limiting the Allies strat bombing potential. He's losing fighters and bombers to control the air in China, while not either moving forward in China or getting a better than 2:1 VP ratio consistently. On the 17th he did well.

I do get a good look at the Southern DS CAP from a few sacrificial Jakes. It's pretty stout, and my LBA probably will not fare well. I'll hold back and see if any opportunities present themselves. If the Allies surge forward now there isn't much to stop them.

On the 18th the Allies target Singers and get a good ratio in the air elsewhere. Again the Japanese pilot losses are low. I'll keep holding the air where possible and trying to defend while he decides what the next move is. Troops seem to be moving down Malaya in force toward Johore Baru.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 17, 1945
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Submarine attack near Hankow at 85,50

Japanese Ships
SS I-12, hits 9, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Shaw
CL Nigeria

SS I-12 is sighted by escort
I-12 bottoming out ....

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Night Naval bombardment of Hankow at 85,50 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 9 damaged
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 13 damaged
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed on ground
A7M2 Sam: 18 damaged
N1K5-J George: 14 damaged
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 18 damaged

34 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
CL Nigeria
DD Shaw, Shell hits 2, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
22 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 16
Runway hits 20

CL Nigeria firing at Hankow

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Night Naval bombardment of Shanghai at 92,55

Allied Ships
BB Iowa
BB South Dakota
CA Salt Lake City
CL Wilkes-Barre
DD Eaton
DD DeHaven
DD Converse
DD Cogswell
DD Chevalier
DD Chauncey
DD Boyd
DMS Forrest
DMS Palmer

Japanese ground losses:
153 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 6 (2 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Manpower hits 1
Light Industry hits 1
Heavy Industry hits 1
Fires 32
Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 30
Port hits 1

BB Iowa firing at 38th Division

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Night Air attack on Wuchang , at 84,51

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 34 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 27

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 2 destroyed on ground
J1N1-Sa Irving: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 10 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 6

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Submarine attack near Fusan at 104,56

Japanese Ships
xAKL Kensho Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Kraken

SS Kraken is sighted by xAKL Kensho Maru
SS Kraken launches 6 torpedoes at xAKL Kensho Maru

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Morning Air attack on 59th Chinese Corps, at 70,43 , near Tsuyung

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 25
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
69 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 5000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Hankow , at 85,50

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 76 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 28 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 8
N1K5-J George x 15
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 17
Ki-84r Frank x 14
Ki-100-II Tony x 1

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 26
F4U-1D Corsair x 7
F4U-1D Corsair x 32

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 2 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 6 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
26 x Corsair II sweeping at 25000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Hankow , at 85,50

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 50 NM, estimated altitude 30,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 2
N1K5-J George x 10
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 10
Ki-84r Frank x 12

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 28

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 5 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 25000 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Hankow , at 85,50

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 71 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 1
N1K5-J George x 5
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 5
Ki-84r Frank x 3

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 22
P-38L Lightning x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x P-51D Mustang sweeping at 25000 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Hankow , at 85,50

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 42 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 1
N1K5-J George x 2
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 2
Ki-84r Frank x 1

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 25000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Hankow , at 85,50

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 1

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 11
Liberator GR.VI x 6
A-26B Invader x 22
B-24J Liberator x 9
P-47N Thunderbolt x 12
P-51D Mustang x 34
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 destroyed on ground
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 1 damaged
Liberator GR.VI: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 5
Runway hits 13

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Hankow , at 85,50

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
A-26B Invader x 34
P-38L Lightning x 29
P-47N Thunderbolt x 17
P-51D Mustang x 3
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 1 destroyed on ground
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
A-26B Invader: 2 damaged
A-26B Invader: 1 destroyed by flak
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 1 damaged
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Tandjoengbalai at 47,79

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Japanese aircraft
E13A1 Jake x 2

Allied aircraft
Corsair IV x 30
Hellcat I x 60
Hellcat F.II x 15
Seafire IIC x 40
Seafire L.III x 78
Wildcat V x 14
Wildcat VI x 11
F4F-4 Wildcat x 17
F6F-3 Hellcat x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 18, 1945
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Night Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 8

Allied aircraft
B-29B Superfort x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29B Superfort: 5 damaged
B-29B Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-29B Superfort bombing from 24000 feet
Airfield Attack: 36 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Naval bombardment of Hangchow at 90,55 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 1 damaged

53 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB Missouri
BB New Jersey
CA Pensacola
CA Louisville
CL Concord
CL Detroit
DD Rowe
DD Knapp, Shell hits 2
DD Kidd
DD Haraden
DD Franks
DD Erben

Japanese ground losses:
404 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Manpower hits 2
Fires 400
Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 40
Port hits 10
Port fuel hits 6

OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for BB Missouri

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Morning Air attack on Malacca , at 49,81

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 22 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 19

Allied aircraft
Mosquito FB.VI x 7

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Mosquito FB.VI: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-83 sweeping at 27000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Wuchang , at 84,51

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 22 NM, estimated altitude 43,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 17

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x P-47N Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Johore Bahru , at 50,83

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 49 NM, estimated altitude 43,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 43
Ki-84r Frank x 42

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 3 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 34
J2M5 Jack x 9
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 6
Ki-83 x 13
Ki-84r Frank x 39
Ki-100-II Tony x 5
Ki-102b Randy x 14

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair II: 4 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 33 NM, estimated altitude 46,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 26
J2M5 Jack x 8
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 5
Ki-83 x 11
Ki-84r Frank x 34
Ki-100-II Tony x 5
Ki-102b Randy x 12

Allied aircraft
Thunderbolt II x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-83: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Thunderbolt II: 3 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 42,300 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 30
A7M2 Sam x 56
N1K1 Rex x 24
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 1
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 14
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 30
Ki-84b Frank x 18
Ki-102b Randy x 12

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 19
J2M5 Jack x 8
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 5
Ki-83 x 7
Ki-84r Frank x 29
Ki-100-II Tony x 5
Ki-102b Randy x 11

Allied aircraft
B-25D Mitchell x 3
Liberator B.VI x 3
Thunderbolt I x 13
Thunderbolt II x 7
B-24J Liberator x 40
B-25J1 Mitchell x 7
B-25J11 Mitchell x 23
P-38L Lightning x 50
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 3
P-51D Mustang x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 2 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 damaged
Ki-83: 7 damaged
Ki-83: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-56 Thalia: 2 destroyed on ground
E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 2 damaged
Thunderbolt II: 1 destroyed
B-24J Liberator: 6 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
B-25J1 Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 11 damaged
P-38L Lightning: 2 destroyed
P-51D Mustang: 1 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Airbase hits 20
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 58

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-25D Mitchell bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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The new Es are doing well in the fight against Allied subs. Develfish goes under today without even "electing to launch" at the IJ convoy.

Big sweeps and air strikes all over today. The Allies hit Johore Baru hard, pay a price, but do outlast the CAP to hit some planes on the ground and close the fields. All groups will rail to Singers now.

The Allied fleets move back toward Georgetown. A famous feint from Canoerebel. I've gotten very used to these, crack a beer, sit back and watch the Allies shift back and forth while waiting to do absolutely nothing.

Up North sweeps at Iwaki must not have flown and some bombing strikes get hit pretty hard.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 19, 1945
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Sub attack near Ulithi at 96,88

Japanese Ships
SC Ch 49
SC Ch 25
SC Ch 11
xAK Tatsuho Maru
xAK Taibun Maru
xAK Sugiyama Maru
xAK Kizan Maru
xAK Asaka Maru #3
xAK Taigen Maru
xAK Kasagi Maru
E Shiga

Allied Ships
SS Devilfish, hits 21, heavy damage

Captain of SS Devilfish elects not to launch torpedoes at this target
Devilfish diving deep ....
E Shiga attacking submerged sub ....
SC Ch 49 fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Shiga attacking submerged sub ....
SS Devilfish forced to surface!

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Morning Air attack on Johore Bahru , at 50,83

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 46,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 55
J2M5 Jack x 3
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 6
Ki-83 x 19
Ki-84r Frank x 53
Ki-100-II Tony x 1

Allied aircraft
Thunderbolt II x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 2 destroyed
Ki-83: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Thunderbolt II: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Johore Bahru , at 50,83

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 50
J2M5 Jack x 2
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 6
Ki-83 x 18
Ki-84r Frank x 51
Ki-100-II Tony x 1

Allied aircraft
B-25D Mitchell x 3
Thunderbolt I x 3
A-20G Havoc x 3
B-24J Liberator x 5
B-25J1 Mitchell x 4
B-25J11 Mitchell x 14
P-38L Lightning x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D Mitchell: 1 destroyed
Thunderbolt I: 2 destroyed
A-20G Havoc: 1 destroyed
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-25J1 Mitchell: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 2 destroyed, 9 damaged
P-38L Lightning: 1 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 13

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B-25D Mitchell bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Johore Bahru , at 50,83

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 33
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 3
Ki-83 x 17
Ki-84r Frank x 35
Ki-100-II Tony x 1

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 2 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Johore Bahru , at 50,83

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 26
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 2
Ki-83 x 17
Ki-84r Frank x 29
Ki-100-II Tony x 1

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Johore Bahru , at 50,83

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 21
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 2
Ki-83 x 15
Ki-84r Frank x 24
Ki-100-II Tony x 1

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-83: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 3 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Johore Bahru , at 50,83

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 12
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 1
Ki-83 x 10
Ki-84r Frank x 9

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 3
Thunderbolt I x 1
Thunderbolt II x 19
Beaufort VIII x 9
B-25J11 Mitchell x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Thunderbolt II: 4 destroyed
Beaufort VIII: 6 destroyed

Runway hits 6

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Liberator B.VI bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Johore Bahru , at 50,83

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Thunderbolt I x 11
B-25J1 Mitchell x 9
B-25J11 Mitchell x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 3 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-25J11 Mitchell: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 23

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-25J11 Mitchell bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Iwaki , at 116,59

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-100-II Tony x 24
Ki-102b Randy x 9

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 13
B-24D1 Liberator x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 3 destroyed, 7 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
B-24D1 Liberator: 5 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Resources hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Iwaki , at 116,59

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 76 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 35 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-100-II Tony x 11
Ki-102b Randy x 3

Allied aircraft
TBM-3 Avenger x 13

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
TBM-3 Avenger: 8 destroyed, 1 damaged
TBM-3 Avenger: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x TBM-3 Avenger bombing from 3000 feet
Airfield Attack: 1 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 75 NM, estimated altitude 43,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 29
A7M2 Sam x 32
J2M5 Jack x 36
N1K1 Rex x 21
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 19
Ki-102b Randy x 11

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

I'd ram the straits as full of mines as you can. Almost certain of a couple hits if he sends his ships further south.


He' been sending sweepers ahead for a while now. I can add more on but the sweeps will be there so it's alomst pointless and likely will just result in sunk minelayers right now. I'm trying to concentrate on getting more into bases that I know will eventually be invaded. Dan uses his AM and YMS liberally and sacrificially on a regular basis.

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On the 20th a massive all-out strike hits Nagasaki. I've been waiting for this to come at some point. The CAP is overwhelmed and the base hit hard. Ships are sunk but lucily most hit were big and only sustained damage (there were a lot in port to spread the wealth) so losses aren't as bad as they could have been.

Laer waves pummel the fileds and destoy dozens of airframes on the ground. It's a blow, but the positives are that there are still many good bases around Nagasaki and many good backup CAP groups that will fill in tomorrow.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 20, 1945
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Night Naval bombardment of Shanghai at 92,55

Allied Ships
BB Iowa
BB South Dakota
CA Salt Lake City
CL Wilkes-Barre
DD Eaton
DD DeHaven
DD Converse
DD Cogswell
DD Chevalier
DD Chauncey
DD Boyd
DMS Forrest
DMS Palmer

Japanese ground losses:
292 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 19 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

Manpower hits 1
Fires 55
Airbase hits 9
Runway hits 10
Port hits 1

OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for BB Iowa
BB Iowa firing at 38th Division

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Sub attack near Hangchow at 90,55

Japanese Ships
SS RO-103

Allied Ships
AM Success, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage

SS RO-103 launches 4 torpedoes
Sub escapes detection

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Morning Air attack on Iwaki , at 116,59

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 27 NM, estimated altitude 43,600 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 5
J2M5 Jack x 4
N1K5-J George x 15
Ki-84b Frank x 8
Ki-84r Frank x 19
Ki-100-II Tony x 38
Ki-102b Randy x 12

Allied aircraft
F4U-4 Corsair x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-4 Corsair: 5 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Iwaki , at 116,59

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 16 NM, estimated altitude 45,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 5
J2M5 Jack x 5
N1K5-J George x 11
Ki-84b Frank x 8
Ki-84r Frank x 14
Ki-100-II Tony x 29
Ki-102b Randy x 12

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 3 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 37,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 29 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 30
A7M2 Sam x 39
J2M5 Jack x 36
N1K1 Rex x 24
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 13
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 22
Ki-84b Frank x 17
Ki-102b Randy x 12

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 2 destroyed
N1K1 Rex: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 36000 feet *
11 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 36000 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 43,300 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 28
A7M2 Sam x 35
J2M5 Jack x 34
N1K1 Rex x 20
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 12
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 21
Ki-84b Frank x 13
Ki-102b Randy x 12

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 20
F4U-1D Corsair x 50

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 2 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 2 destroyed
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 39300 feet
13 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 20000 feet *
12 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 39300 feet

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 29 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 23
A7M2 Sam x 34
J2M5 Jack x 30
N1K1 Rex x 17
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 9
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 13
Ki-84b Frank x 11
Ki-102b Randy x 5

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
A7M2 Sam: 3 destroyed
N1K1 Rex: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
26 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 20000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 75 NM, estimated altitude 39,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 28 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 20
A7M2 Sam x 27
J2M5 Jack x 29
N1K1 Rex x 9
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 7
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 13
Ki-84b Frank x 9
Ki-102b Randy x 5

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 28

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 4 destroyed
N1K1 Rex: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair II: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x Corsair II sweeping at 36900 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 39,300 feet.
Estimated time to target is 29 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 16
A7M2 Sam x 24
J2M5 Jack x 24
N1K1 Rex x 8
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 5
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 12
Ki-84b Frank x 8
Ki-102b Randy x 4

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 39300 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 72 NM, estimated altitude 45,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 12
A7M2 Sam x 21
J2M5 Jack x 17
N1K1 Rex x 8
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 3
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 12
Ki-84b Frank x 8
Ki-102b Randy x 3

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
A7M2 Sam: 2 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x P-51D Mustang sweeping at 41900 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 9
A7M2 Sam x 13
J2M5 Jack x 12
N1K1 Rex x 7
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 2
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 9
Ki-84b Frank x 5
Ki-102b Randy x 1

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 6
Liberator GR.VI x 3
A-26B Invader x 34
B-24J Liberator x 32
B-29-25 Superfort x 42
P-38L Lightning x 18
P-51D Mustang x 8
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 11 damaged
A7M2 Sam: 3 destroyed on ground
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 7 damaged
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-102b Randy: 1 damaged
Ki-102b Randy: 8 destroyed on ground
Ki-84r Frank: 5 destroyed on ground
D4Y2-C Judy: 3 destroyed on ground
Ki-46-III Dinah: 3 destroyed on ground
G3M3 Nell: 6 destroyed on ground
Ki-45 KAId Nick: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
A-26B Invader: 3 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 16 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
B-29-25 Superfort: 11 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak
P-38L Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-51D Mustang: 1 destroyed
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAP Teiritsu Maru, Bomb hits 1
xAK Kuraido Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Kinugawa Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire
xAK Yamakuni Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
xAP Kasado Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
LSD Akitsu Maru, Bomb hits 1
LSD Shinshu Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAK Horai Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
xAKL Etashima Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Hitati Maru, Bomb hits 1
ACM Ichiyu Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
xAP Baikal Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAP Kanzyu Maru, Bomb hits 1
xAK Tofuku Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAP Taizan Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAK Nitiyo Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AD Nagisan Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAP Husimi Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAP Teibi Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire
AK Sasako Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
PB Toko Maru #4, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAK Yamafuku Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Okiyu Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Repair Shipyard hits 1
Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 26
Port hits 6
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet *
Port Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 6
A7M2 Sam x 11
J2M5 Jack x 10
N1K1 Rex x 7
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 2
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 7
Ki-84b Frank x 4
Ki-102b Randy x 1

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 11
F4U-1D Corsair x 9
P-38L Lightning x 36
P-47N Thunderbolt x 18
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1 Rex: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 1 destroyed, 8 damaged
P-38L Lightning: 3 destroyed
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 11 damaged

Japanese Ships
TK Komaki Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

Repair Shipyard hits 1
Port hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet *
Port Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 31 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 4
A7M2 Sam x 4
J2M5 Jack x 5
N1K1 Rex x 4
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 1
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 5
Ki-84b Frank x 3
Ki-102b Randy x 1

Allied aircraft
Liberator GR.VI x 10
F4U-1D Corsair x 4
B-24J Liberator x 24
P-38L Lightning x 5
PB4Y-2 Privateer x 9
PV-1 Ventura x 3
PV-2 Harpoon x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 4 damaged
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed on ground
N1K1 Rex: 1 destroyed
N1K1 Rex: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 1 damaged
Ki-102b Randy: 4 destroyed on ground
D4Y2-C Judy: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator GR.VI: 8 damaged
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed
B-24J Liberator: 11 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
PB4Y-2 Privateer: 6 damaged
PV-2 Harpoon: 8 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Kinugawa Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
SS RO-50, Bomb hits 1
LSD Nigitsu Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAK Kiyoshima Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAP Teibi Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAP Husimi Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
LST T-147, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AMc Wa 12, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk

Repair Shipyard hits 2
B7A2 Grace factory hits 2
Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 10
Port hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x PV-2 Harpoon bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 39
P-38L Lightning x 18
P-51D Mustang x 70

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y2-C Judy: 5 destroyed on ground
Ki-102b Randy: 3 destroyed on ground
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground
D4Y1-C Judy: 3 destroyed on ground
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-84r Frank: 3 destroyed on ground
G3M3 Nell: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 24 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak

Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 13

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Iwaki , at 116,59

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 64 NM, estimated altitude 44,600 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 2
N1K5-J George x 3
Ki-84r Frank x 3
Ki-100-II Tony x 11
Ki-102b Randy x 2

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 27

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-100-II Tony: 5 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 6 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x P-51D Mustang sweeping at 41600 feet

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The sub war heats up again. Several interactions, with one xAK hit by the Lamprey. Lamprey attacks again in the afternoon but this time suffers 32 hits and is sunk by escorts.

Another USN boat hits two mines at Tsushima. Mistake or recon? Time will tell.

Massive sweeps and bombing raids hit Hakodate and Nagasaki with minor sweeps elsewhere. It's not a great day for the Allies, although they do effectively target Manpower and some industry at Nagasaki. At least the defenders take their tithe on the day in spite of LR and bleeding CAP since the Nagasaki fields are a mess. I'm encouraged we could still defend it though. Almost 30 B-29s of all types downed on the day.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR June 21, 1945
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Sub attack near Iwo-jima at 99,79

Japanese Ships
xAK Yosida Maru #1, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
PB Kyo Maru #3
xAK Taijima Maru
xAK Zyuyo Maru
xAK Yoneyama Maru
xAK Yuzan Maru
xAK Uyo Maru
xAK Tone Maru
xAK Tsuyama Maru
xAK Shoho Maru
xAK Nitiren Maru
xAK Ryuzin Maru
xAK Hokuzyu Maru
xAK Nittai Maru
xAK Ryoyo Maru
xAK Kinkai Maru
xAK Karachi Maru
PB Kamitsu Maru

Allied Ships
SS Lamprey

SS Lamprey launches 6 torpedoes at xAK Yosida Maru #1
Lamprey diving deep ....
PB Kamitsu Maru attacking submerged sub ....
Escort abandons search for sub

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TF 198 encounters mine field at Tsushima (103,56)

Allied Ships
SS Sea Dog, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

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Morning Air attack on Hakodate , at 119,53

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 10 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 45
N1K5-J George x 90
Ki-84r Frank x 2
Ki-100-II Tony x 37

Allied aircraft
F6F-5 Hellcat x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-5 Hellcat: 13 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Hakodate , at 119,53

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 40
N1K5-J George x 87
Ki-84r Frank x 2
Ki-100-II Tony x 36

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 2 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 6 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 43 NM, estimated altitude 48,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 16
A6M8 Zero x 6
A7M2 Sam x 10
J2M5 Jack x 8
N1K2-J George x 17
N1K5-J George x 37
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 11
Ki-84b Frank x 13
Ki-84r Frank x 12

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 3 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Hakodate , at 119,53

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 31 NM, estimated altitude 41,600 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 34
N1K5-J George x 74
Ki-84r Frank x 2
Ki-100-II Tony x 31

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 2 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 6 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 27 NM, estimated altitude 44,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 13
A6M8 Zero x 6
A7M2 Sam x 9
J2M5 Jack x 8
N1K2-J George x 15
N1K5-J George x 29
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 6
Ki-84b Frank x 9
Ki-84r Frank x 15

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Hakodate , at 119,53

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 45 NM, estimated altitude 40,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 24
N1K5-J George x 62
Ki-84r Frank x 2
Ki-100-II Tony x 30

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 3 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Palembang , at 48,91

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 42 NM, estimated altitude 46,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 20
Ki-84r Frank x 11
Ki-102b Randy x 3

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 2 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Hakodate , at 119,53

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 11 NM, estimated altitude 42,600 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 20
N1K5-J George x 51
Ki-84r Frank x 2
Ki-100-II Tony x 29

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 33 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 11
A6M8 Zero x 4
A7M2 Sam x 8
J2M5 Jack x 6
N1K2-J George x 11
N1K5-J George x 19
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 4
Ki-84b Frank x 5
Ki-84r Frank x 12

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 11
PB4Y-2 Privateer x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 4 destroyed
PB4Y-2 Privateer: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x PB4Y-2 Privateer bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 8
A6M8 Zero x 4
A7M2 Sam x 6
J2M5 Jack x 2
N1K2-J George x 8
N1K5-J George x 10
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 3
Ki-84b Frank x 3
Ki-84r Frank x 9

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 11
B-29-25 Superfort x 16
P-38L Lightning x 4
P-47N Thunderbolt x 20
P-51D Mustang x 4
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 2 destroyed by flak
P-38L Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-51D Mustang: 1 destroyed
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 10 damaged

Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 59 NM, estimated altitude 45,300 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 6
A6M8 Zero x 2
A7M2 Sam x 3
J2M5 Jack x 1
N1K2-J George x 4
N1K5-J George x 4
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 2
Ki-84b Frank x 2
Ki-84r Frank x 3

Allied aircraft
Corsair IV x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair IV: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 4
A6M8 Zero x 2
A7M2 Sam x 2
N1K2-J George x 3
N1K5-J George x 2
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 2
Ki-84b Frank x 1
Ki-84r Frank x 3

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 14
F4U-1D Corsair x 14
B-24J Liberator x 37
P-38L Lightning x 25
P-47N Thunderbolt x 18
P-51D Mustang x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 5 damaged
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed
B-24J Liberator: 28 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
P-38L Lightning: 1 destroyed

Manpower hits 5
Light Industry hits 1
Fires 1760

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Liberator B.VI bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 2
A6M8 Zero x 1
A7M2 Sam x 1
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 1
Ki-84r Frank x 1

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 9
F4U-1D Corsair x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 6 damaged
Liberator B.VI: 1 destroyed by flak
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed

Manpower hits 4
Fires 4960

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Liberator B.VI bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 32
P-51D Mustang x 69

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 24 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 2 destroyed by flak

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Hakodate , at 119,53

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 17
N1K5-J George x 42
Ki-84r Frank x 2
Ki-100-II Tony x 21

Allied aircraft
A-20G Havoc x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 1 damaged
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed on ground
J1N1-Sa Irving: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
A-20G Havoc: 6 destroyed, 3 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x A-20G Havoc bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Hakodate , at 119,53

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 50 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 14
N1K5-J George x 38
Ki-84r Frank x 1
Ki-100-II Tony x 20

Allied aircraft
A-20G Havoc x 15

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
A-20G Havoc: 9 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Hakodate , at 119,53

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 12
N1K5-J George x 36
Ki-84r Frank x 1
Ki-100-II Tony x 20

Allied aircraft
A-20G Havoc x 11

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
A-20G Havoc: 6 destroyed, 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x A-20G Havoc bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Hakodate , at 119,53

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 31 NM, estimated altitude 43,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 30
A7M2 Sam x 3
J2M5 Jack x 4
N1K5-J George x 55
Ki-84r Frank x 4
Ki-100-II Tony x 17

Allied aircraft
Thunderbolt II x 13

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Thunderbolt II: 3 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on Hakodate , at 119,53

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 67 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 30
A7M2 Sam x 3
J2M5 Jack x 3
N1K5-J George x 54
Ki-84r Frank x 4
Ki-100-II Tony x 17

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 15
B-24J Liberator x 8
B-29-25 Superfort x 11
F-6D Mustang x 12
P-51D Mustang x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 2 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-45 KAId Nick: 2 destroyed on ground
D4Y4 Judy: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 5 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged
F-6D Mustang: 2 destroyed

Resources hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 6

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Hakodate , at 119,53

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 54 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 25
A7M2 Sam x 2
N1K5-J George x 43
Ki-84r Frank x 3
Ki-100-II Tony x 17

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 9
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 18
P-51D Mustang x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 4 destroyed
P-51D Mustang: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Hakodate , at 119,53

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 17
A7M2 Sam x 1
N1K5-J George x 32
Ki-84r Frank x 3
Ki-100-II Tony x 8

Allied aircraft
F6F-5 Hellcat x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-5 Hellcat: 8 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 10000 feet *

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Sub attack near Iwo-jima at 99,79

Japanese Ships
xAK Asama Maru #2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
PB Fumi Maru #3
xAK Taizin Maru
xAK Tempei Maru
xAK Kokuryu Maru
xAK Kaisyo Maru
xAK Mansyu Maru
xAK Genzan Maru
xAK Wales Maru
E No.207
E No.36

Allied Ships
SS Lamprey, hits 32, heavy damage

SS Lamprey launches 6 torpedoes at xAK Asama Maru #2
Lamprey diving deep ....

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I'd caution against having ships disbanded in ports point blank. Much more sensible to leave them in a task force in the hex - less chance to be attacked and sunk in port, more chance to draw airstrikes into CAP and more flak value (ships in port have halved flak values).


It's a new reality for me that I have enough fuel to simply leave them in a TF all over the place. I have reduced overall numbers across the board in ports in the HI. Most ships are in the DEI or moving. Only a few needed for troop transport were in the most defended port in Western Japan. I lost mostly the small 10 knot xAK and some support ships. The better AK were damaged and just moved to other ports to patch up. I will use Tokyo and Osaka as ports to disband as the flak is so heavy there it should take a chunk out of whatever tries for those.

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I'd caution against having ships disbanded in ports point blank. Much more sensible to leave them in a task force in the hex - less chance to be attacked and sunk in port, more chance to draw airstrikes into CAP and more flak value (ships in port have halved flak values).


It's a new reality for me that I have enough fuel to simply leave them in a TF all over the place. I have reduced overall numbers across the board in ports in the HI. Most ships are in the DEI or moving. Only a few needed for troop transport were in the most defended port in Western Japan. I lost mostly the small 10 knot xAK and some support ships. The better AK were damaged and just moved to other ports to patch up. I will use Tokyo and Osaka as ports to disband as the flak is so heavy there it should take a chunk out of whatever tries for those.


Eh, it will be a bad return in terms of VP's. I'd just ram them all into TF's and let them sit in Kobe or another base on the Inland Sea. IIRC that's behind CD guns on straits, so bad vibes for any surface ships on the hunt. Leaving them in a TF in Tokyo is ideal I think, but the Inland Sea is close enough to maybe bait a Fletcher squadron to risk the guns, and that will likely work out well for you.

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I'd caution against having ships disbanded in ports point blank. Much more sensible to leave them in a task force in the hex - less chance to be attacked and sunk in port, more chance to draw airstrikes into CAP and more flak value (ships in port have halved flak values).


It's a new reality for me that I have enough fuel to simply leave them in a TF all over the place. I have reduced overall numbers across the board in ports in the HI. Most ships are in the DEI or moving. Only a few needed for troop transport were in the most defended port in Western Japan. I lost mostly the small 10 knot xAK and some support ships. The better AK were damaged and just moved to other ports to patch up. I will use Tokyo and Osaka as ports to disband as the flak is so heavy there it should take a chunk out of whatever tries for those.


Eh, it will be a bad return in terms of VP's. I'd just ram them all into TF's and let them sit in Kobe or another base on the Inland Sea. IIRC that's behind CD guns on straits, so bad vibes for any surface ships on the hunt. Leaving them in a TF in Tokyo is ideal I think, but the Inland Sea is close enough to maybe bait a Fletcher squadron to risk the guns, and that will likely work out well for you.


I hear you . I am doing some of that but I also feel they'll all eventually be sunk anyway. Those VPs are lost once they're built, really, if the game goes to the end. To me it seems to matter now what I can get for them.

If he ever decides to strike the HI with CV air to sink TFs it will be likely long after my CAP can defend them. Maybe now at least I can entice risky strikes against low value targets while keeping high value ships in TFs. All big 15/18 knot xAP and AK are in TFs, as are any combat ships left. The mini-KB has been seen by recon for months hanging around the inland sea.



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I'd ram the straits as full of mines as you can. Almost certain of a couple hits if he sends his ships further south.


He' been sending sweepers ahead for a while now. I can add more on but the sweeps will be there so it's alomst pointless and likely will just result in sunk minelayers right now. I'm trying to concentrate on getting more into bases that I know will eventually be invaded. Dan uses his AM and YMS liberally and sacrificially on a regular basis.


Rethinking this, I'd still do it.

CR's...cautious and methodical approach to the game is well known. May as well feed in to it by putting mines out there.

Plus, it makes him click. '45 Allies is exhausting and it helps promote misplay from him.

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'45 Allies is exhausting and it helps promote misplay from him.



Man am I ever discovering that to be truth. I have a large tendency to leave air squadrons on autopilot flying the same missions day after day simply because there are so damn many of them to have to issue orders to.

I'm particularly lazy with the Death Star. My bombing runs are massive overfill doing 250 runway damage because I am too lazy to want to issue orders selectively to hit more than one target at a time.

The "issue the same orders to all carrier dive/torpedo bombers in the hex" selections has become the only method I use in issuing orders to DS squadrons.

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