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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/13/2015 9:27:38 AM

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These are the moments the game shines... Everytime I expect a major battle I run and re-run my moves and the numbers until I finally fall to sleep...

Yes. I think of so many things to do, or that I forgot to do!

Or that I just don't understand, like the next post.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/13/2015 9:31:32 AM

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Here are two of the four CVs that experienced groups not flying. I don't know why. Is this a simply a target choice issue? Didn't think those BBs needed a full strike? Or something else?

Good air leaders in each TF, groups rested, planes doing fine after repairing for a week, and pilots VERY experienced with very good, aggressive group leaders.

The DBs flew as you can see the sorties missing there, so why not the TBs?

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/13/2015 9:39:20 AM

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I am pretty sure it is the AI determining the relative value of the target and what would be enough force to destroy it. I've seen 100 strike aircraft attacks against single TFs (lets say a dozen tankers or support ships with escorts) with 200 strikecraft being available.. It does make sense to keep a reserve for contingencies...

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/13/2015 9:40:35 AM

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Here are the Allied BB losses so far in game. This is the one area of naval combat we're significantly ahead in right now. (Lost two fast IJN BCs)

Didn't get a lot at PH, but just made up for some of that (hopefully).

I don't think three BBs sank. I think only two are down so far, but it subs can contact the other damaged ones that could change in the night.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/13/2015 9:43:19 AM

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ORIGINAL: Cannonfodder

I am pretty sure it is the AI determining the relative value of the target and what would be enough force to destroy it. I've seen 100 strike aircraft attacks against single TFs (lets say a dozen tankers or support ships with escorts) with 200 strikecraft being available.. It does make sense to keep a reserve for contingencies...

Good. I'm glad you think this! Just worried it was something else I hadn't considered, potentially. This could be good as he might not be able to predict just how strong our forces are here based on yesterdays strikes.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/13/2015 9:54:24 AM

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In addition to losing about 6-7 fleet subs in this op, we've definitely got a lot of them damaged and heading back to Yokohama for repairs. Five are already in the yards and most of the top of this list is on the way back too.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/13/2015 9:56:38 AM

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To support my thesis...

Morning Air attack on TF, near Raoul Island at 127,173

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 70
B5N2 Kate x 53
D4Y1 Judy x 57

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 4 damaged

Allied Ships
TK Vera, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
TK Manvantara, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires
AO Ramapo, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
DD Sims, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
TK Esso Richmond, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
AO Tippecanoe, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Strong, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
TK Arethusa, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
TK Seirstad, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
TK Esso Durban, Bomb hits 2
TK Gulfcoast, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
20 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
9 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
17 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
3 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
16 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
12 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
9 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
3 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
8 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
4 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring TK Manvantara
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring AO Tippecanoe

This was a strike where 260 strikecraft where part of the TF, with about 10% of the total assigned to search. It did use the full escort compliment available...

It almost looks like it is mimicking doctrine I read about (sending up strikecraft per division - or in this case carrier). So, divebombers for carrier A, B and C and torpedobombers for carrier D, E and F....

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/13/2015 10:19:51 AM

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Right. It seems like that here too.

Would have been nice to finish off the BBs. Oh, well.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/13/2015 10:31:37 AM

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Can anyone tell that I'm getting impatient for the next turn!

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/13/2015 9:59:56 PM

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So, turn received yet? "taps foot"

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/13/2015 10:11:56 PM

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So, turn received yet? "taps foot"

Nothing yet. I guess there are some big decisions to be made! Hopefully because of what is about to be discovered at Wake and just over the horizon.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/14/2015 10:39:10 AM

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Hah! I thought for sure there would be an update...

Well, waiting is 100 times worse for Obvert than us readers.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/15/2015 10:34:42 AM

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Hah! I thought for sure there would be an update...

Well, waiting is 100 times worse for Obvert than us readers.

I've just heard from Torsten that is may be Sunday before a turn arrives. Understandable as he said usually he's been doing some quick ones, even several a day, but this will take a bit more work. That he can't do until the weekend.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/15/2015 10:39:31 AM

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You see, that is the advantage of being an armchair admiral.. You can postpone decision making :P... In war, real time ticking away that is not so easy...

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/15/2015 1:10:14 PM

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I hope you made an alternate save so you can plan strategy...make to do lists...or simply catch mistakes in your last turn!

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/15/2015 1:41:20 PM

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I hope you made an alternate save so you can plan strategy...make to do lists...or simply catch mistakes in your last turn!

I did. These next few turns could alter so much though it's tough to be focused on those things now.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/16/2015 5:45:47 AM

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You see, that is the advantage of being an armchair admiral.. You can postpone decision making :P... In war, real time ticking away that is not so easy...

True, but a real admiral doesn't have a "day job"!

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/17/2015 7:02:19 PM

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Still nothing :(?

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/17/2015 7:06:55 PM

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Still waiting. He said in his note that he's in the middle of a business start-up, so it's completely understandable.

How many ways can I doubt my orders before I get eh turn back?!

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/17/2015 7:20:28 PM

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Still waiting. He said in his note that he's in the middle of a business start-up, so it's completely understandable.

How many ways can I doubt my orders before I get eh turn back?!

Shall we count them? Do you remember what you did?

"One one-thousand, two one-thousand..."
https://youtu.be/JjaxPd8m6dY?t=23s

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/17/2015 8:38:46 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

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ORIGINAL: obvert

Still waiting. He said in his note that he's in the middle of a business start-up, so it's completely understandable.

How many ways can I doubt my orders before I get eh turn back?!

Shall we count them? Do you remember what you did?

"One one-thousand, two one-thousand..."
https://youtu.be/JjaxPd8m6dY?t=23s

Ha!! Yes. Like that.

This is a turn that could go a number of directions!

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/18/2015 1:22:08 AM

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I think Obvert's opponent has done things like this in the past, only to come roaring back doing multiple turns a day.

Let us hope that is the case here, Obvert's carrier strike I am sure rattled his cage...

but I want to see what happens next.!

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/24/2015 6:53:26 PM

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Today I decided I need a game to be going on regularly. I sent this note to Historiker to check in again. No response yet.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/24/2015 7:04:44 PM

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How long before you heard anything from him?

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/24/2015 7:10:28 PM

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Last week he said he'd a have a turn done by a week ago. He's starting up an online business apparently and doesn't have as much time these days, but was flipping 2-3 a day before the strike on his BB. He said after that he knew it would be a lot more clicks and hours to get things right and didn't have time until the weekend. So, a week after that I'm now checking in to see if this is still happening.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/24/2015 7:11:28 PM

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That is a long time indeed!

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/24/2015 8:33:26 PM

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What do the total naval losses look like yet? Methinks the Allies may want to sue for peace...the plan original succeeds :)

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/25/2015 2:53:14 AM

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Obvert-

Hoping Historiker returns soon so you two can finish this war!

Regards,

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/25/2015 3:19:07 AM

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Hope he finds the courage to continue...

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/25/2015 3:49:03 AM

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He had a few BB damaged and sunk, big deal. Happens almost every day. This is war.

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