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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 1/10/2019 12:19:03 PM

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...I do need more troops on Formosa, but I'll have to take them from Honshu to do that, which is risky too. There are, as you know, just too many places to cover effectively. Daito and the little islands to the North could be easily taken, and those would provide close-in fighter support for strat bombing as well as limiting any further transport to the Home Islands. I'm flooding units to North Honshu and to Kyushu to get a mobile reserve ready close to anything. I'll move something to every pile of rock around, but I can't put a division everywhere just yet.

Tsushima is a massive fort, but I'd not even though of it as a target. I can drop a brigade there and fly in more quickly if he moves that way.

Do not weaken the Home Islands defences. Japan remains well on track to achieving a significant game victory. The Allies have less than 5 months to get to a 2:1 auto victory ratio. Their only hope of getting anywhere near that is by capturing Home Island bases combined with strategic bombing.

Based on developments to date in this game I very much doubt the Allies will even achieve a 1.26:1 ratio by the end of August 1945. That only places them in marginal Allied victory territory which is of course very far short of the historical outcome which in keeping with the game design victory conditions means crowing rights to Japan.

Unless that Allied auto victory is gained by 31 August 1945, the end game auto victory level adjustment mechanism will see the worst outcome for Japan being a draw, with a Japanese marginal victory being the most likely adjusted outcome.

Alfred

I'm trying to keep this in mind, and really do want to focus on VP ratio in all of my choices right now. This is also why I'm playing too conservatively regarding all-out naval strikes and kamis.

With the influx of new China, Manchurian and Home Island restricted units I can probably afford a few units moving from China and Manchuria to the inner islands around Kyushu and down to Daito, and some of the smaller infantry units from naval guard to regiment size installing in those spots. For Formosa I'll bring a few from farther South to add in, and at least cover all of the bases plus have noe stack that might hold for a bit.

The Allies have shown they can move a mass of troops quickly and have them drop in a day, ready to strike. I can't let any base be hit in this way without immediate response, so the forts have all been building beyond level 6 in any clear hex and often to level 8. Non-clear hexes are 6-7 for the most part now, with some Western Honshu and Kyushu bases still catching up.

I am moving some units from Hokkaido back to Honshu as well since he's pulling units from Kushiro and Wakkanai for whatever the next op will be.

Glad your forts are moving in clear terrain. IJA units can work wonders in x3 terrain with level 3 or 4 forts, but they need the bigger forts for x2 and clear terrain.

Food for thought: Okinawa is worth about the same (if not slightly more) base VP's to the Allies as Formosa. It's also much easier to defend and much more relevant to the Home Islands defence. On top of that, I consider Formosa indefensible due to terrain (bar two hexs, it's all clear terrain), while Okinawa is x2 and x3 terrain.

Regarding China, Shanghai and Peiping are the really big ticket VP items. The real VP haul for the Allies comes from destroying large numbers of surrounded IJA units. To that end, I think it's important to know when to bug out of China so that the Soviets don't get to cut off your armies in South-East Asia.

I think the best way to play the VP game in China/Manchuria is to throw expendable units into the big cities to deny VP's, then bug everyone out to Keijo and the two hexes east of it. It surrenders a fair bit of territory, but the cost of losing units facing the Soviets head on will be far greater. This also had the added advantage of giving you the ability to consolidate units and develop a strategic reserve in Korea to deploy where needed. I've don't know the maths for your game, but I reckon that army VP's make up a significant portion of IJ VP's left on the game board at this point. More food for thought.

I think it's the only way of putting a dent in the Soviet juggernaut - they shotgun into Manchuria and find nothing all the way to Korea.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 1/10/2019 1:48:15 PM

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Glad your forts are moving in clear terrain. IJA units can work wonders in x3 terrain with level 3 or 4 forts, but they need the bigger forts for x2 and clear terrain.

Food for thought: Okinawa is worth about the same (if not slightly more) base VP's to the Allies as Formosa. It's also much easier to defend and much more relevant to the Home Islands defence. On top of that, I consider Formosa indefensible due to terrain (bar two hexs, it's all clear terrain), while Okinawa is x2 and x3 terrain.

Regarding China, Shanghai and Peiping are the really big ticket VP items. The real VP haul for the Allies comes from destroying large numbers of surrounded IJA units. To that end, I think it's important to know when to bug out of China so that the Soviets don't get to cut off your armies in South-East Asia.

I think the best way to play the VP game in China/Manchuria is to throw expendable units into the big cities to deny VP's, then bug everyone out to Keijo and the two hexes east of it. It surrenders a fair bit of territory, but the cost of losing units facing the Soviets head on will be far greater. This also had the added advantage of giving you the ability to consolidate units and develop a strategic reserve in Korea to deploy where needed. I've don't know the maths for your game, but I reckon that army VP's make up a significant portion of IJ VP's left on the game board at this point. More food for thought.

I think it's the only way of putting a dent in the Soviet juggernaut - they shotgun into Manchuria and find nothing all the way to Korea.

I'm with you on Okinawa. That is a bigger priority for sure than Formosa.

For China, on thing about this game is that China is completely in the hands of the IJA. I've been holding off the hordes in the mountains, sometimes defending well with a 1:10 AV disadvantage, but the terrain and forts combined with better quality and experience of the units have been decisive. So I might face a different challenge. The majority of strength in China is in the mountains. I may want to stay there, only pulling back to defend Chunking if necessary.

As to the Soviets, if I'm still going strong by that point I will pull all Manchurian units back to good terrain, but we'll see. Defending the Peiping area would be a priority but of course so much of China can't really be defended either.

All of it is speculation though considering I'm a bit confused about what will happen in Dan's next move. Will it be to another main Home Island? Will it be to begin moving around and creating other threatening bases to get fighter coverage of Western bases? Will it be to shut the door on movement of resources from the SRA and troops back from Burma?

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 1/10/2019 2:08:58 PM

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Glad your forts are moving in clear terrain. IJA units can work wonders in x3 terrain with level 3 or 4 forts, but they need the bigger forts for x2 and clear terrain.

Food for thought: Okinawa is worth about the same (if not slightly more) base VP's to the Allies as Formosa. It's also much easier to defend and much more relevant to the Home Islands defence. On top of that, I consider Formosa indefensible due to terrain (bar two hexs, it's all clear terrain), while Okinawa is x2 and x3 terrain.

Regarding China, Shanghai and Peiping are the really big ticket VP items. The real VP haul for the Allies comes from destroying large numbers of surrounded IJA units. To that end, I think it's important to know when to bug out of China so that the Soviets don't get to cut off your armies in South-East Asia.

I think the best way to play the VP game in China/Manchuria is to throw expendable units into the big cities to deny VP's, then bug everyone out to Keijo and the two hexes east of it. It surrenders a fair bit of territory, but the cost of losing units facing the Soviets head on will be far greater. This also had the added advantage of giving you the ability to consolidate units and develop a strategic reserve in Korea to deploy where needed. I've don't know the maths for your game, but I reckon that army VP's make up a significant portion of IJ VP's left on the game board at this point. More food for thought.

I think it's the only way of putting a dent in the Soviet juggernaut - they shotgun into Manchuria and find nothing all the way to Korea.

I'm with you on Okinawa. That is a bigger priority for sure than Formosa.

For China, on thing about this game is that China is completely in the hands of the IJA. I've been holding off the hordes in the mountains, sometimes defending well with a 1:10 AV disadvantage, but the terrain and forts combined with better quality and experience of the units have been decisive. So I might face a different challenge. The majority of strength in China is in the mountains. I may want to stay there, only pulling back to defend Chunking if necessary.

As to the Soviets, if I'm still going strong by that point I will pull all Manchurian units back to good terrain, but we'll see. Defending the Peiping area would be a priority but of course so much of China can't really be defended either.

All of it is speculation though considering I'm a bit confused about what will happen in Dan's next move. Will it be to another main Home Island? Will it be to begin moving around and creating other threatening bases to get fighter coverage of Western bases? Will it be to shut the door on movement of resources from the SRA and troops back from Burma?

I think you need to consider an exit strategy for China prior to 6/45. The dam holds for now, but it will break sooner rather than later. You'll get about a month and a half grace as the Allies catch up with you, maybe more if you can make selective defensive actions to stall them.

Get ahead of the pursuit, on rail lines and into Manchuria/Korea. Elsewise you'll have too much AV stuck in a sideshow. Open the Allied OOB for 1945. There's a LOT of AV, most unrestricted. Don't make my mistake of depending on the IJA '45 reinforcement list to help you - it looks impressive, but it's hollow.

Consolidate, consolidate, consolidate!

Given the strategic situation, first place for his next move goes to the north coast of Honshu. Second place to Korea. In either of those cases, all the AV in western China isn't much good to you.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 1/10/2019 2:26:36 PM

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I think the dam in the mountains of China will not break, it will have to be circumvented.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 1/10/2019 3:49:46 PM

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Glad your forts are moving in clear terrain. IJA units can work wonders in x3 terrain with level 3 or 4 forts, but they need the bigger forts for x2 and clear terrain.

Food for thought: Okinawa is worth about the same (if not slightly more) base VP's to the Allies as Formosa. It's also much easier to defend and much more relevant to the Home Islands defence. On top of that, I consider Formosa indefensible due to terrain (bar two hexs, it's all clear terrain), while Okinawa is x2 and x3 terrain.

Regarding China, Shanghai and Peiping are the really big ticket VP items. The real VP haul for the Allies comes from destroying large numbers of surrounded IJA units. To that end, I think it's important to know when to bug out of China so that the Soviets don't get to cut off your armies in South-East Asia.

I think the best way to play the VP game in China/Manchuria is to throw expendable units into the big cities to deny VP's, then bug everyone out to Keijo and the two hexes east of it. It surrenders a fair bit of territory, but the cost of losing units facing the Soviets head on will be far greater. This also had the added advantage of giving you the ability to consolidate units and develop a strategic reserve in Korea to deploy where needed. I've don't know the maths for your game, but I reckon that army VP's make up a significant portion of IJ VP's left on the game board at this point. More food for thought.

I think it's the only way of putting a dent in the Soviet juggernaut - they shotgun into Manchuria and find nothing all the way to Korea.

I'm with you on Okinawa. That is a bigger priority for sure than Formosa.

For China, on thing about this game is that China is completely in the hands of the IJA. I've been holding off the hordes in the mountains, sometimes defending well with a 1:10 AV disadvantage, but the terrain and forts combined with better quality and experience of the units have been decisive. So I might face a different challenge. The majority of strength in China is in the mountains. I may want to stay there, only pulling back to defend Chunking if necessary.

As to the Soviets, if I'm still going strong by that point I will pull all Manchurian units back to good terrain, but we'll see. Defending the Peiping area would be a priority but of course so much of China can't really be defended either.

All of it is speculation though considering I'm a bit confused about what will happen in Dan's next move. Will it be to another main Home Island? Will it be to begin moving around and creating other threatening bases to get fighter coverage of Western bases? Will it be to shut the door on movement of resources from the SRA and troops back from Burma?

I think you need to consider an exit strategy for China prior to 6/45. The dam holds for now, but it will break sooner rather than later. You'll get about a month and a half grace as the Allies catch up with you, maybe more if you can make selective defensive actions to stall them.

Get ahead of the pursuit, on rail lines and into Manchuria/Korea. Elsewise you'll have too much AV stuck in a sideshow. Open the Allied OOB for 1945. There's a LOT of AV, most unrestricted. Don't make my mistake of depending on the IJA '45 reinforcement list to help you - it looks impressive, but it's hollow.

Consolidate, consolidate, consolidate!

Given the strategic situation, first place for his next move goes to the north coast of Honshu. Second place to Korea. In either of those cases, all the AV in western China isn't much good to you.

Sure. The IJA China [R] units will be in China regardless, so I'll keep those in the mountains. All free units, will be moving to locations where they might be able to hold for a bit in x3 terrain, then (hopefully) moving back again. It all depends on how Dan proceeds down South. At least his air forces are well reduced and he can't bomb me out, even in the clear, down there.

Singers and Chungking are two big VP gains for the Allie, and if I can keep those for a bit it will certainly help. Time is at least on my side, and as I mentioned before, I don't really care too much about preparing for the Soviets. I can't stop them so why give up other suff early to consider slowing them down?

The Allied fleet and invasion possibilities now though are a bigger threat and very dangerous.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 1/10/2019 4:03:06 PM

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Glad your forts are moving in clear terrain. IJA units can work wonders in x3 terrain with level 3 or 4 forts, but they need the bigger forts for x2 and clear terrain.

Food for thought: Okinawa is worth about the same (if not slightly more) base VP's to the Allies as Formosa. It's also much easier to defend and much more relevant to the Home Islands defence. On top of that, I consider Formosa indefensible due to terrain (bar two hexs, it's all clear terrain), while Okinawa is x2 and x3 terrain.

Regarding China, Shanghai and Peiping are the really big ticket VP items. The real VP haul for the Allies comes from destroying large numbers of surrounded IJA units. To that end, I think it's important to know when to bug out of China so that the Soviets don't get to cut off your armies in South-East Asia.

I think the best way to play the VP game in China/Manchuria is to throw expendable units into the big cities to deny VP's, then bug everyone out to Keijo and the two hexes east of it. It surrenders a fair bit of territory, but the cost of losing units facing the Soviets head on will be far greater. This also had the added advantage of giving you the ability to consolidate units and develop a strategic reserve in Korea to deploy where needed. I've don't know the maths for your game, but I reckon that army VP's make up a significant portion of IJ VP's left on the game board at this point. More food for thought.

I think it's the only way of putting a dent in the Soviet juggernaut - they shotgun into Manchuria and find nothing all the way to Korea.

I'm with you on Okinawa. That is a bigger priority for sure than Formosa.

For China, on thing about this game is that China is completely in the hands of the IJA. I've been holding off the hordes in the mountains, sometimes defending well with a 1:10 AV disadvantage, but the terrain and forts combined with better quality and experience of the units have been decisive. So I might face a different challenge. The majority of strength in China is in the mountains. I may want to stay there, only pulling back to defend Chunking if necessary.

As to the Soviets, if I'm still going strong by that point I will pull all Manchurian units back to good terrain, but we'll see. Defending the Peiping area would be a priority but of course so much of China can't really be defended either.

All of it is speculation though considering I'm a bit confused about what will happen in Dan's next move. Will it be to another main Home Island? Will it be to begin moving around and creating other threatening bases to get fighter coverage of Western bases? Will it be to shut the door on movement of resources from the SRA and troops back from Burma?

I think you need to consider an exit strategy for China prior to 6/45. The dam holds for now, but it will break sooner rather than later. You'll get about a month and a half grace as the Allies catch up with you, maybe more if you can make selective defensive actions to stall them.

Get ahead of the pursuit, on rail lines and into Manchuria/Korea. Elsewise you'll have too much AV stuck in a sideshow. Open the Allied OOB for 1945. There's a LOT of AV, most unrestricted. Don't make my mistake of depending on the IJA '45 reinforcement list to help you - it looks impressive, but it's hollow.

Consolidate, consolidate, consolidate!

Given the strategic situation, first place for his next move goes to the north coast of Honshu. Second place to Korea. In either of those cases, all the AV in western China isn't much good to you.

Sure. The IJA China [R] units will be in China regardless, so I'll keep those in the mountains. All free units, will be moving to locations where they might be able to hold for a bit in x3 terrain, then (hopefully) moving back again. It all depends on how Dan proceeds down South. At least his air forces are well reduced and he can't bomb me out, even in the clear, down there.

Singers and Chungking are two big VP gains for the Allie, and if I can keep those for a bit it will certainly help. Time is at least on my side, and as I mentioned before, I don't really care too much about preparing for the Soviets. I can't stop them so why give up other suff early to consider slowing them down?

The Allied fleet and invasion possibilities now though are a bigger threat and very dangerous.

Forgot about your house rules.

The big reason to withdraw early is unit preservation and to keep your strategic core. Look at how drastically your strategic situation changes if you lose Tsushima/Fusan - you know for a fact that Allied ships in NorPac can't hit anything west of Fusan without going round the long way (or get clobbered by the CD guns in the strait). That alone is a major benefit for Japan in 1945 - you can park your entire merchant fleet in the Yellow Sea and it's safe (bar subs). It also allows you to draw down garrison commitments on key bases (eg Northern Kyushu is fine as it's the "long way round"). In my view it's much more strategically relevant than China at this point.

Granted, Singers and Chungking are big VP sinks. Say you lose Singers and Chungking, that's a big VP swing.

Say you lose Singers and Chungking, along with five divisions defending each - now it's a much bigger VP swing.

But let's say you lose Singers and Chungking, but the Allies run into ten divisions defending Shanghai?

I think at this point your defensive strategy has to be dictated as "If I defend this base, will I be able to hold it till the victory cut off?". If the response is negative, you need to consolidate until you get a positive anwser.

It may seem like throwing points away, and to an extent it is, but it's making sure that you're not throwing good (army) points after bad (forlorn bases).

It's never an easy decision.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 1/10/2019 5:04:14 PM

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Obvert doesn't have to defeat or even stymie the Soviets indefinitely. What he does have to do is deny the Soviets until 1 September 1945 acquisition of base point victories. Nor does he want to permit early Soviet base captures to be reassigned to American HQ assignment and the deployment of non Soviet air power there which is able to strike at important Japanese bases.

Army losses against the Soviets will be inevitable but a 1:1 loss ratio is still a good outcome. Soviet air will field good airframes in August but pilot experience will lag. That gives a good opportunity for good Japanese pilots to achieve a better than 1:1 air victory ratio. On day 2 of Soviet mobilisation there is a chance that much of the Soviet navy may be caught disbanded although that would entail risking entangling with the strongest Soviet air defences at Vladivostok.

I wouldn't seriously consider a strategic retreat from the Soviets before September. Japanese control of the air can go a long way to stymieing the Soviets.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 1/10/2019 8:33:12 PM

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Forgot about your house rules.

The big reason to withdraw early is unit preservation and to keep your strategic core. Look at how drastically your strategic situation changes if you lose Tsushima/Fusan - you know for a fact that Allied ships in NorPac can't hit anything west of Fusan without going round the long way (or get clobbered by the CD guns in the strait). That alone is a major benefit for Japan in 1945 - you can park your entire merchant fleet in the Yellow Sea and it's safe (bar subs). It also allows you to draw down garrison commitments on key bases (eg Northern Kyushu is fine as it's the "long way round"). In my view it's much more strategically relevant than China at this point.

Granted, Singers and Chungking are big VP sinks. Say you lose Singers and Chungking, that's a big VP swing.

Say you lose Singers and Chungking, along with five divisions defending each - now it's a much bigger VP swing.

But let's say you lose Singers and Chungking, but the Allies run into ten divisions defending Shanghai?

I think at this point your defensive strategy has to be dictated as "If I defend this base, will I be able to hold it till the victory cut off?". If the response is negative, you need to consolidate until you get a positive anwser.

It may seem like throwing points away, and to an extent it is, but it's making sure that you're not throwing good (army) points after bad (forlorn bases).

It's never an easy decision.

Allied units attacking any strong base may lose a good chunk as well, especially Singers where the crossing must be made or a landing committed amphibiously.

When the Allies are forced to fight in areas I have invested in defence, the chances are that they will struggle to gain a 2:1 win in either air losses or troop losses. Even with the nature of the recent battles, all taking place on islands where the garrison must be left to be reduced after defeat, the Allies haven't quite achieved a 2:1 VP ratio during the past nine months.

2,671 Allied army VP losses to 4,666 IJ Army VP losses

In the air, after recent successes, we're actually ahead over the past year, the only area where the Japanese have gained ground.

I see what you're saying, but I thin of myself in this situation and if I were playing the Allies I'd be overjoyed at a large scale Japanese withdrawal from the SRA at this point. The weaknesses he can't yet see still seem formidable.

I also see it as a question of time. Delay is a factor here, and may not only lead to a psychological imperative to take more risks, but also a real difficulty in getting to some of those other deeper VP bases and troop concentrations.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 1/10/2019 8:36:46 PM

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I think the dam in the mountains of China will not break, it will have to be circumvented.

And if the IJA units continue to sit there, the Allies may decide to better through, making the VP count for Allied losses worth the loss of those IJA units. I hope, anyway!

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 1/10/2019 10:25:36 PM

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...I do need more troops on Formosa, but I'll have to take them from Honshu to do that, which is risky too. There are, as you know, just too many places to cover effectively. Daito and the little islands to the North could be easily taken, and those would provide close-in fighter support for strat bombing as well as limiting any further transport to the Home Islands. I'm flooding units to North Honshu and to Kysushu to get a mobile reserve ready close to anything. I'll move something to every pile of rock around, but I can't put a division everywhere just yet.

Tsushima is a massive fort, but I'd not even though of it as a target. I can drop a brigade there and fly in more quickly if he moves that way.

Do not weaken the Home Islands defences. Japan remains well on track to achieving a significant game victory. The Allies have less than 5 months to get to a 2:1 auto victory ratio. Their only hope of getting anywhere near that is by capturing Home Island bases combined with strategic bombing.

Based on developments to date in this game I very much doubt the Allies will even achieve a 1.26:1 ratio by the end of August 1945. That only places them in marginal Allied victory territory which is of course very far short of the historical outcome which in keeping with the game design victory conditions means crowing rights to Japan.

Unless that Allied auto victory is gained by 31 August 1945, the end game auto victory level adjustment mechanism will see the worst outcome for Japan being a draw, with a Japanese marginal victory being the most likely adjusted outcome.

Alfred

This is incorrect.

The Allies can achieve a decisive victory only by achieving AV prior to 9/1/1945. Between 9/1/1945 and 12/31/1945, the Allies can still achieve a marginal victory.

Japan only achieves a draw if the Allies achieve 2:1 "autovictory" on 1/1/1946 or later.

If the Allies never reach 2:1, Japan achieves at least a marginal victory.

That is not to say that I don't think the Allied victory vs. draw line shouldn't be drawn on 9/1/45 or 9/30/45 instead of on 12/31/45.

From personal experience, the Soviets can conquer the entirety of Manchuria in a couple of months without breaking a sweat.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 1/10/2019 10:56:43 PM

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I would urge caution on aerial bombarding Vlad to nail disbanded ships. 1. the port is large lessening hits, 2. Soviet AA is tough and most likely up to the job of making the strike a negative VP attempt however, sweeping there is another most likely positive VP endeavor.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 1/10/2019 11:47:52 PM

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From personal experience, the Soviets can conquer the entirety of Manchuria in a couple of months without breaking a sweat.

yeah, they can.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 1/10/2019 11:51:25 PM

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Alfred's point about being able to trade 1:1 with the Japanese is worth discussing, as it reinforces the need for all IJA units to be on favourable terrain - Russian units (with their superior tanks and artillery) can afford to take massive losses and are better suited to doing so.

For reference and consideration: the VP value of a typical late war full-strength IJA division (in this case, IJA Type B Kwantung division), when destroyed completely, nets the Allies around 140 VPs, give or take.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 1/10/2019 11:51:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

quote:

ORIGINAL: Alfred

quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert

...I do need more troops on Formosa, but I'll have to take them from Honshu to do that, which is risky too. There are, as you know, just too many places to cover effectively. Daito and the little islands to the North could be easily taken, and those would provide close-in fighter support for strat bombing as well as limiting any further transport to the Home Islands. I'm flooding units to North Honshu and to Kysushu to get a mobile reserve ready close to anything. I'll move something to every pile of rock around, but I can't put a division everywhere just yet.

Tsushima is a massive fort, but I'd not even though of it as a target. I can drop a brigade there and fly in more quickly if he moves that way.

Do not weaken the Home Islands defences. Japan remains well on track to achieving a significant game victory. The Allies have less than 5 months to get to a 2:1 auto victory ratio. Their only hope of getting anywhere near that is by capturing Home Island bases combined with strategic bombing.

Based on developments to date in this game I very much doubt the Allies will even achieve a 1.26:1 ratio by the end of August 1945. That only places them in marginal Allied victory territory which is of course very far short of the historical outcome which in keeping with the game design victory conditions means crowing rights to Japan.

Unless that Allied auto victory is gained by 31 August 1945, the end game auto victory level adjustment mechanism will see the worst outcome for Japan being a draw, with a Japanese marginal victory being the most likely adjusted outcome.

Alfred

This is incorrect.

The Allies can achieve a decisive victory only by achieving AV prior to 9/1/1945. Between 9/1/1945 and 12/31/1945, the Allies can still achieve a marginal victory.

Japan only achieves a draw if the Allies achieve 2:1 "autovictory" on 1/1/1946 or later.

If the Allies never reach 2:1, Japan achieves at least a marginal victory.

That is not to say that I don't think the Allied victory vs. draw line shouldn't be drawn on 9/1/45 or 9/30/45 instead of on 12/31/45.

From personal experience, the Soviets can conquer the entirety of Manchuria in a couple of months without breaking a sweat.

In this match the Allies are not going to just miss out on achieving an auto victory by the end of August. Either they will get to the 2:1 ratio (or be hovering very close to it) after a couple of weeks of Soviet activity or they will be well south of having a 1.3:1 ratio by the end of August. From there they will not climb to 2:1 by January 1946. It would even be very courageous to assume they could even climb to 1.76:1 by the end of the scenario.

I've seen enough in this match to know that obvert is employing the correct strategy and tactics to stymie an auto Allied victory. The only risk is if Home Island bases (Honshu in particular) are lost or a concentrated strategic air campaign is mounted. Both are very difficult to achieve in the presence of the formidable Japanese air power. It is that air power which ensures that the Japanese VPs continue to climb steadily, and will still do so should big VP base generators like Singapore be lost.

Without the certain knowledge that the Soviets will enter the war I would be very sceptical of the western Allies alone getting to a 1.26:1 ratio by the end of March 1946. That then gets auto adjusted.

Alfred

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 1/11/2019 9:19:02 AM

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April 4-5, 1945

There is still a long way to go in this one until the dates where I can feel like I've accomplished something. Dan has proven he's willing to take big risks to put things on track for the allies, as with his move to the North after taking the game over.

On the 4th the Allies try to close Bihoro after several sweeps based there tried to hit the Kuriles last turn. Flak gets to a good amount of 4Es on the day, which is positive. The real purpose of the strikes becomes clear the next day.

The DS moved into position to cover some kind of what looks to be removal of troops from Kushiro. This again makes me think there will be no more focus on Hokkaido and the troops I have there can be shifted a bit toward Honshu as well.

Some errant Kates meant to hit single ship raiders hit the wall of CAP on the DS and I learned something about it's new makeup. There are a lot more Wildcat variants than there used to be, and a lot of Hellcats as well. Not so many of Cosairs as I'd expect at this time of the game, so I'm guessing that's out of necessity rather than choice. Still a big tough crowd with 1400+ planes. Not going near that for now.

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Morning Air attack on Bihoro , at 123,51

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 83
P-51D Mustang x 55

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 47 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 21

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Uruppu-jima , at 130,52

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 43 NM, estimated altitude 46,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 49

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 84 NM, estimated altitude 44,370 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 3

Allied aircraft
Seafire L.III x 2
F4U-1D Corsair x 2

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Seafire L.III: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x N1K5-J George sweeping at 39370 feet

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Ground combat at Paramushiro-jima (137,47)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 31253 troops, 604 guns, 506 vehicles, Assault Value = 640

Defending force 7590 troops, 131 guns, 228 vehicles, Assault Value = 110

Allied adjusted assault: 317

Japanese adjusted defense: 39

Allied assault odds: 8 to 1 (fort level 4)

Allied forces CAPTURE Paramushiro-jima !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1032 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 38 disabled
Non Combat: 133 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 48 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 62 (62 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 93 (93 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
154 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Assaulting units:
37th Infantry Division
6th Infantry Division
158th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
58th (Sep) Infantry Regiment
37th (Sep) Infantry Regiment
4th Field Artillery Battalion
1st Medium Regiment

Defending units:
56th Div /1
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
7th Area Army /1
12th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
19th RF Gun Battalion
2nd Air Fleet /2
1st Amphibious Bde /1
Kitachishima Fortress
6th JNAF AF Unit
Wake Cst Gun Bn /1

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR April 5, 1945
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TF 423 encounters mine field at Hakodate (119,53)

Allied Ships
SS Manta, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

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Sub attack near Wenchow at 90,61

Japanese Ships
xAK Banshu Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SC CHa-53
xAK Taihei Maru
xAK Jinsai Maru
PB Wa 9

Allied Ships
SS Sea Cat

SS Sea Cat launches 6 torpedoes at xAK Banshu Maru
Sea Cat diving deep ....

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Kushiro at 122,53

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 10

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 14
Corsair IV x 21
Hellcat I x 5
Hellcat F.II x 13
Seafire IIC x 11
Seafire L.III x 1
F4F-4 Wildcat x 22
FM-2 Wildcat x 67
F4U-1A Corsair x 100
F4U-1D Corsair x 365
F6F-3 Hellcat x 345
F6F-5 Hellcat x 556

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 7 destroyed

No Allied losses

CAP engaged:
VRF-7F with F6F-5 Hellcat (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead
VF-33 with F6F-5 Hellcat (8 airborne, 17 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes
VF-38 with F4U-1D Corsair (7 airborne, 15 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 2000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes
VF-40 with F6F-5 Hellcat (8 airborne, 17 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 2000 and 37300.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 24 minutes
VF-1 with F6F-5 Hellcat (5 airborne, 12 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 1000 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes
VF-2 with F4U-1D Corsair (8 airborne, 17 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 1000 and 39300.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 35 minutes
VBF-3 with F4F-4 Wildcat (7 airborne, 15 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 28300.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 37 minutes
VF-42 with F4U-1D Corsair (8 airborne, 17 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 1000 and 39300.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 28 minutes
VF-6 with F4U-1D Corsair (7 airborne, 16 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 6000 and 39300.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 36 minutes
VBF-6 with FM-2 Wildcat (8 airborne, 16 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters between 1000 and 34700.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 28 minutes
VF-7 with F6F-5 Hellcat (4 airborne, 9 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 2000 and 37300.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes
VF-10 with F6F-5 Hellcat (8 airborne, 17 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 1000 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 24 minutes
VF-11 with F4U-1D Corsair (8 airborne, 18 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 1000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 22 minutes
VBF-13 with FM-2 Wildcat (9 airborne, 20 on standby, 0 scrambling)
9 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters between 1000 and 6000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 24 minutes
VF-16 with F6F-5 Hellcat (5 airborne, 12 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 37300.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 24 minutes
VBF-16 with F4U-1D Corsair (8 airborne, 17 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 1000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
VF-18 with F4U-1D Corsair (7 airborne, 16 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 3000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 22 minutes
VF-22 with F6F-5 Hellcat (5 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 8000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 8000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
VF-23 with F6F-3 Hellcat (5 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 8000 , scrambling fighters between 6000 and 8000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
VF-24 with F6F-5 Hellcat (4 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 8000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 37300.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 31 minutes

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 1/11/2019 5:07:00 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Alfred

In this match the Allies are not going to just miss out on achieving an auto victory by the end of August. Either they will get to the 2:1 ratio (or be hovering very close to it) after a couple of weeks of Soviet activity or they will be well south of having a 1.3:1 ratio by the end of August. From there they will not climb to 2:1 by January 1946. It would even be very courageous to assume they could even climb to 1.76:1 by the end of the scenario.

I've seen enough in this match to know that obvert is employing the correct strategy and tactics to stymie an auto Allied victory. The only risk is if Home Island bases (Honshu in particular) are lost

I disagree with this assessment, but we'll see.

Because:

quote:

or a concentrated strategic air campaign is mounted.

While it's technically possible and I think this game is closer than most, I don't think Japanese air power can continue to achieve positive VP trades for another 12+ months (or even beyond another 6-7 months).

Furthermore, even if CR never takes another base near Japan with the Western Allies forces, the Soviets are entirely capable of controlling Manchuria and all of Korea before 1946 (even accounting for CR's conservative nature on the ground). It's a game changer.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 1/12/2019 4:28:00 AM

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While it's technically possible and I think this game is closer than most, I don't think Japanese air power can continue to achieve positive VP trades for another 12+ months (or even beyond another 6-7 months).

I have to wonder. The fact that Dan is using FM-2 Wildcats, and seems to be low on Corsairs, is a positive indicator. What's more, the majority of the battles are going to take place over Japanese bases, or be sweeps, so the quality of the Japanese pilot corps should not suffer. I see few new threats until the F8F Bearcats arrive.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 1/13/2019 6:27:56 PM

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He still gets several hundred F6F-5 and F4U-1D per month though, and that's just for the USN. And the bombers themselves will take a small toll.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 1/17/2019 10:01:54 PM

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April 6-8, 1945

Virtually nothing happened on the 6th, but on the 7th I tried sweeping Uruppa-Jima where some fighters were based i range. The Ki-83 only got 1:1 in this more distant sweep, and the FM-2 held their own, surprisingly. Allied flak losses still made it a positive day for the Japanese in the air.

The DS has retired out of sight.

In Burma I tried more sweeps on the 8th. Again, got about 2:1 there but the Allies sent the P-47Ns to Sedai and did well there to even things up.

So far the retreat in Burma is going as planned. A very small unit sitting in Moulmein to act as rear guard and scout.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR April 7, 1945
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Morning Air attack on Etorofu , at 128,52

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 45 NM, estimated altitude 44,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 46

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 12
Spitfire VIII x 11
P-38L Lightning x 13
FM-2 Wildcat x 41
F4U-1A Corsair x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 7 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair II: 1 destroyed
FM-2 Wildcat: 6 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on Etorofu , at 128,52

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 27 NM, estimated altitude 44,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 39

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 9
Spitfire VIII x 10
P-38L Lightning x 12
FM-2 Wildcat x 28
F4U-1A Corsair x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 10 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair II: 1 destroyed
Spitfire VIII: 2 destroyed
FM-2 Wildcat: 5 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR April 8, 1945
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Morning Air attack on Rangoon , at 54,53

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 28 NM, estimated altitude 43,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 35

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 4
Wildcat V x 21
Spitfire VIII x 22
Thunderbolt I x 9
Thunderbolt II x 3
P-38L Lightning x 10
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 5
P-51D Mustang x 25
F4F-4 Wildcat x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Wildcat V: 1 destroyed
Spitfire VIII: 1 destroyed
P-51D Mustang: 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet

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Morning Air attack on Rangoon , at 54,53

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 42 NM, estimated altitude 43,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 45

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 4
Wildcat V x 17
Spitfire VIII x 18
Thunderbolt I x 8
Thunderbolt II x 2
P-38L Lightning x 9
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 5
P-51D Mustang x 24
F4F-4 Wildcat x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Wildcat V: 2 destroyed
Thunderbolt I: 1 destroyed
P-38L Lightning: 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 4 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet

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Morning Air attack on Etorofu , at 128,52

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 21 NM, estimated altitude 47,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 21

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 8
Spitfire VIII x 7
P-38L Lightning x 11
P-39D Airacobra x 11
FM-2 Wildcat x 15
F4U-1A Corsair x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed
FM-2 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Rangoon , at 54,53

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 159 NM, estimated altitude 45,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 39 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 38

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 4
Wildcat V x 11
Spitfire VIII x 15
Thunderbolt I x 5
Thunderbolt II x 2
P-38L Lightning x 8
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 4
P-51D Mustang x 21
F4F-4 Wildcat x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Wildcat V: 2 destroyed
Spitfire VIII: 1 destroyed
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed
P-51D Mustang: 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on Sendai , at 117,58

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 43 NM, estimated altitude 48,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84r Frank x 49
Ki-100-II Tony x 24

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 3 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on Sendai , at 117,58

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 35 NM, estimated altitude 46,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84r Frank x 43
Ki-100-II Tony x 12

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 9 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 4 destroyed

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 1/18/2019 9:48:29 AM

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April 9-10, 1945

The 9th was only three actions on the combat report. Very unlike this game. Dan is taking a breather. Something new must be about to launch.

The Allies crash over into Moulmein on the 9th. It was worth leaving one unit there to be sure I know what is coming. Almost 10kAV of good Allied troops on the way. I've split my force, so now the questions remains; how will he allocate his troops? All in to Raheng or to Bangkok? Or a split with some on each route. I've got enough of a start that only some naval guards and a few Army HQs are in danger of being caught out. Map below.

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Morning Air attack on Truk , at 112,108

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 8
B-24D1 Liberator x 3

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 5 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 2 damaged

Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
2 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Sub attack near Wenchow at 90,61

Japanese Ships
xAK Hukuzyu Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
xAK Genzan Maru
xAK Asama Maru #2
PB Fumi Maru #3

Allied Ships
SS Sea Cat

SS Sea Cat launches 4 torpedoes at xAK Hukuzyu Maru

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Sub attack near Wenchow at 90,61

Japanese Ships
xAK Hukuzyu Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Sea Cat

xAK Hukuzyu Maru is sighted by SS Sea Cat
SS Sea Cat launches 4 torpedoes

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Ground combat at Moulmein (55,55)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 109472 troops, 1722 guns, 1739 vehicles, Assault Value = 9563

Defending force 421 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 8

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Allied adjusted assault: 3483

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 3483 to 1 (fort level 2)

Allied forces CAPTURE Moulmein !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
614 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 29 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
64 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Assaulting units:
1st New Chinese Corps
5th Chinese Corps
XV Corps Engineer Battalion
Americal Infantry Division
27th Infantry Division
18th British Division
19th Motorised Division
5th Indian Division
32nd Infantry Division
11th Indian Division
9th Indian Division
754th Tank Battalion
11th (East African) Division
23rd Indian Division
14th Indian Division
3rd New Chinese Corps
7th Indian Division
7th Australian Division
40th Infantry Division
29th British Brigade
41st Infantry Division
I Aus Corps Engineer Battalion
6th Australian Division
9th Australian Division
97th Field Artillery Battalion
24th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
21st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
Y' Force
8th Mahratta AT Gun Regiment
122nd British AT Gun Regiment
86th Medium Regiment
14th Army
XXXIII Indian Corps
30th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
8th Medium Regiment
2/11th Field Regiment
134th Medium Regiment

Defending units:
5th Raiding Force

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 1/18/2019 11:11:01 AM

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April 11, 1945

At Etorufu, after a few good stands against high sweeping Ki-83, the FM-2 groups finally paid the butchers bill. I changed things up and flew Georges and Franks from Bihoro as well as the Ki-83s. The Georges set the stage with 10:1. The Franks did even better. By the end of the day very few planes were left of the 100+ the started off there. Having the better airframes flying high CAP over the FM-2 allowed some possibility of success here, but the Wildcats on their own can't quite handle these late war airframes.

In the CBI the Allies initiate a large all-in bombing campaign against the retreating troops. I don't think there are enough to really cause problems here, but it does present an opportunity. There were no sweeps!

I'll send a rather large LR CAP over the two hexes for tomorrow.

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Morning Air attack on Etorofu , at 128,52

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 14 NM, estimated altitude 42,370 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 41

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 1
P-38L Lightning x 1
FM-2 Wildcat x 108
F4U-1A Corsair x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 12 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x N1K5-J George sweeping at 39370 feet

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Morning Air attack on Etorofu , at 128,52

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 29 NM, estimated altitude 44,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 26

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 1
P-38L Lightning x 1
FM-2 Wildcat x 67
F4U-1A Corsair x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 4 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet

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Morning Air attack on Etorofu , at 128,52

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 38,270 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84r Frank x 88

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 1
P-38L Lightning x 1
FM-2 Wildcat x 50
F4U-1A Corsair x 1

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 19 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
66 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 38270 feet

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Morning Air attack on Etorofu , at 128,52

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 42,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 21

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 1
P-38L Lightning x 1
FM-2 Wildcat x 12
F4U-1A Corsair x 1

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 6 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet

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Morning Air attack on 31st Division, at 55,56 , near Moulmein

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 21 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D Mitchell x 12
Beaufighter VIc x 16
Beaufighter TF.X x 21
Wellington Ic x 3
Wellington B.X x 9
DB-7B x 6
Hudson I x 11
A-20G Havoc x 27
B-17E Fortress x 3
B-24J Liberator x 12
B-25D1 Mitchell x 5
B-25J1 Mitchell x 6
B-25J11 Mitchell x 28
P-38H Lightning x 12

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D Mitchell: 2 damaged
Beaufighter VIc: 1 damaged
Beaufighter TF.X: 4 damaged
Beaufighter TF.X: 1 destroyed by flak
Wellington B.X: 5 damaged
A-20G Havoc: 5 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
162 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-25D Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Bihoro , at 123,51

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 69
P-51D Mustang x 41

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 44 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 35

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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April 12, 1945

On the 12th massive LR CAP meets very big bombing raids over troops in Burma. The sweeps and escorts defended the main strike effectively, but smaller packages take big hits to even things out, and the unswept hex hit by scores of Beaufighters results in heavy losses for the Allies. He's using everything here, even old DB-7B, Hudsons and Blenheims! If caught alone they're easy picking.

Troops retreat in order and only the rear guard takes a hit, but does it's job of slowing Allied progress.

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Morning Air attack on 105th Division, at 56,56 , near Moulmein

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 44,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 22
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 13
Ki-83 x 27

Allied aircraft
Thunderbolt II x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 4 destroyed
Ki-83: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Thunderbolt II: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 105th Division, at 56,56 , near Moulmein

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 31 NM, estimated altitude 46,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 16
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 9
Ki-83 x 22

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 3 destroyed
Ki-83: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 91st Naval Guard Unit, at 56,56 , near Moulmein

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 11
Ki-83 x 18

Allied aircraft
B-25D Mitchell x 22
Blenheim VD x 5
DB-7B x 3
Hudson I x 11
A-20G Havoc x 34
B-17E Fortress x 5
B-24J Liberator x 24
B-25D1 Mitchell x 4
B-25H Mitchell x 2
B-25J1 Mitchell x 11
B-25J11 Mitchell x 29
P-38H Lightning x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D Mitchell: 6 damaged
Blenheim VD: 1 damaged
Hudson I: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
A-20G Havoc: 8 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 6 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 3 damaged
P-38H Lightning: 2 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
186 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B-25D Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 15th Const Co , at 56,56 , near Moulmein

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 2
Ki-83 x 11

Allied aircraft
B-25D Mitchell x 9
Wellington Ic x 10
Wellington B.X x 2
B-24J Liberator x 9
B-25D1 Mitchell x 3
B-25J1 Mitchell x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D Mitchell: 1 destroyed
Wellington Ic: 1 destroyed
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-25J1 Mitchell: 1 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
44 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-25D Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 105th Division, at 56,56 , near Moulmein

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 3

Allied aircraft
DB-7B x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
DB-7B: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x DB-7B bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 2nd Division, at 55,57 , near Moulmein

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 4
J2M3 Jack x 5
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 5
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 9
Ki-83 x 16
Ki-84r Frank x 19
Ki-102b Randy x 3

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIc x 16
Beaufighter TF.X x 28

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter VIc: 3 destroyed, 8 damaged
Beaufighter VIc: 1 destroyed by flak
Beaufighter TF.X: 6 destroyed, 7 damaged
Beaufighter TF.X: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Beaufighter TF.X bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 31st Division, at 55,57 , near Moulmein

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 2
J2M3 Jack x 5
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 3
Ki-83 x 7
Ki-84r Frank x 14

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter TF.X x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter TF.X: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Beaufighter TF.X bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at 56,56 (near Moulmein)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 16655 troops, 166 guns, 134 vehicles, Assault Value = 489

Defending force 2022 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 56

Allied adjusted assault: 193

Japanese adjusted defense: 7

Allied assault odds: 27 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), fatigue(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1345 casualties reported
Squads: 28 destroyed, 41 disabled
Non Combat: 13 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 10 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 9 (5 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Units retreated 2

Allied ground losses:
103 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
26th Indian Brigade
147th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
22nd (East African) Brigade
754th Tank Battalion
7th New Chinese Corps

Defending units:
91st Naval Guard Unit
15th Const Co

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April 13-14, 1945

Took the day off from LR CAP in Burma on the 13th to deal with high service rating planes. Always the problem with Japan, but it's also fine to keep him guessing.

The Allies get clear skies and do a bit more than on previous turns, but not enough to make much of a difference here. These hits are spread over a LOT of troops. Soon all of these will be with some very good AA but now there are only two units left travelling with the rear guard. The Allies did vaporise an Army HQ today as it lagged just behind, but others will make it out just fine.

On the 14th there were lots of sweeps and bombing runs all over. The Allies went big for Sapporo on the same turn I set naval strikes against troops being lifted from Wakkanai. My strikes found only some LST/LCI near Kushiro, as only a few groups flew in spite of good detection of several other TFs in range. Frustrating, since our sweeps cleared the air easily over Wakkanai, getting about 8:1 over the old airframes there.

All of the best went for Sapporo, and they got about 2:1, but a lot of Corsairs lost on the day, and presumably a lot of Allied pilots. The following bombing strikes hit the resources pretty hard, but also took heavy losses to flak after the fighters were depleted by the big initial strike. Probably about 40 bombers lost on the day to flak/ops.

In Burma I set sweeps to hit Rangoon, and they found only older airframes. Easy pickings. The Allies swept over the troops to no resistance.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR April 13, 1945
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Morning Air attack on 2nd Guards Division, at 55,57 , near Moulmein

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D Mitchell x 17
Beaufighter TF.X x 5
Spitfire VIII x 15
Wellington B.X x 17
DB-7B x 3
Hudson I x 3
A-20G Havoc x 35
B-24J Liberator x 20
B-25D1 Mitchell x 4
B-25H Mitchell x 2
B-25J1 Mitchell x 11
B-25J11 Mitchell x 26
P-51D Mustang x 30

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D Mitchell: 5 damaged
Wellington B.X: 2 damaged
A-20G Havoc: 2 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 5 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
452 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 26 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 32 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-25D Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at 55,56 (near Moulmein)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 281592 troops, 3406 guns, 2749 vehicles, Assault Value = 9548

Defending force 3216 troops, 0 guns, 60 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Allied adjusted assault: 5786

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 5786 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2113 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 261 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 61 (61 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
29th British Brigade
3rd New Chinese Corps
11th Indian Division
XV Corps Engineer Battalion
7th Indian Division
5th Chinese Corps
7th Australian Division
Americal Infantry Division
32nd Infantry Division
18th British Division
14th Indian Division
40th Infantry Division
27th Infantry Division
19th Motorised Division
6th Australian Division
I Aus Corps Engineer Battalion
23rd Indian Division
41st Infantry Division
3rd Cavalry Regiment
5th Indian Division
1st New Chinese Corps
9th Indian Division
11th (East African) Division
9th Australian Division
122nd British AT Gun Regiment
24th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
97th Field Artillery Battalion
8th Mahratta AT Gun Regiment
Y' Force
30th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
XXXIII Indian Corps
2/11th Field Regiment
8th Medium Regiment
14th Army
86th Medium Regiment
21st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
134th Medium Regiment

Defending units:
28th Army

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Night Naval bombardment of Sapporo at 120,51

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-100-II Tony: 6 damaged
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed on ground
J1N1-Sa Irving: 15 damaged
J1N1-Sa Irving: 1 destroyed on ground
B6N2a Jill: 3 damaged
B6N2a Jill: 1 destroyed on ground
N1K5-J George: 1 damaged
Ki-45 KAId Nick: 6 damaged
Ki-45 KAId Nick: 1 destroyed on ground
J2M5 Jack: 10 damaged
J2M5 Jack: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-84r Frank: 21 damaged
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 5 damaged
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed on ground
A7M2 Sam: 7 damaged

Allied Ships
DD Perkins
DD Cushing
DD Shaw
DD Fanning
DD Dunlap

Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 46

DD Perkins firing at Sapporo

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Morning Air attack on Wakkanai , at 122,48

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 14 NM, estimated altitude 43,370 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 51
Ki-84r Frank x 32

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 11
P-39D Airacobra x 22
FM-2 Wildcat x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 1 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra: 7 destroyed
FM-2 Wildcat: 3 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Wakkanai , at 122,48

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 34 NM, estimated altitude 40,370 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 58

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 8
P-39D Airacobra x 4
FM-2 Wildcat x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed
FM-2 Wildcat: 4 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x N1K5-J George sweeping at 39370 feet

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Morning Air attack on Rangoon , at 54,53

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 42 NM, estimated altitude 43,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 38

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 12
Seafire L.III x 3
Wildcat V x 18
Kittyhawk IV x 9
P-39D Airacobra x 33
P-40N5 Warhawk x 11
P-51B Mustang x 8
F4F-4 Wildcat x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed
Wildcat V: 1 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed
P-51B Mustang: 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet

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Morning Air attack on Rangoon , at 54,53

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 42 NM, estimated altitude 44,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 29

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 9
Seafire L.III x 2
Wildcat V x 15
Kittyhawk IV x 8
P-39D Airacobra x 28
P-40N5 Warhawk x 10
P-51B Mustang x 6
F4F-4 Wildcat x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed
Seafire L.III: 1 damaged
Kittyhawk IV: 1 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra: 2 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet

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Morning Air attack on Rangoon , at 54,53

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 30 NM, estimated altitude 39,270 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84r Frank x 47

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 4
Seafire L.III x 1
Wildcat V x 10
Kittyhawk IV x 5
P-39D Airacobra x 19
P-40N5 Warhawk x 9
P-51B Mustang x 5
F4F-4 Wildcat x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed
Seafire L.III: 1 destroyed
Wildcat V: 1 destroyed
Kittyhawk IV: 2 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra: 2 destroyed
P-40N5 Warhawk: 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 38270 feet

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Kushiro at 124,54

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 36
D4Y4 Judy x 41

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
LST-768, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
LCI-445
DE LeRay Wilson, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
LST-714, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
LCI-790
DE Leland E. Thomas, Bomb hits 1, on fire
LST-741
LCI-989, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
LST-715
LCI-792
LCI-791, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
LST-748, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
LST-767, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x D4Y4 Judy releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Wakkanai , at 122,48

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 187 NM, estimated altitude 43,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 46 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 15
Ki-83 x 56

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
26 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet
29 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet

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Morning Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 56 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 15
A7M2 Sam x 43
J2M5 Jack x 46
N1K5-J George x 9
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 43
Ki-84b Frank x 15
Ki-84r Frank x 9
Ki-100-II Tony x 43

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
A7M2 Sam: 2 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 7 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 68 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 9
A7M2 Sam x 37
J2M5 Jack x 43
N1K5-J George x 9
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 34
Ki-84b Frank x 11
Ki-84r Frank x 6
Ki-100-II Tony x 36

Allied aircraft
F6F-5 Hellcat x 33

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-5 Hellcat: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 68 NM, estimated altitude 40,300 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 6
A7M2 Sam x 25
J2M5 Jack x 36
N1K5-J George x 6
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 26
Ki-84b Frank x 6
Ki-84r Frank x 3
Ki-100-II Tony x 32

Allied aircraft
Corsair IV x 3
F4U-1D Corsair x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair IV: 1 destroyed
F4U-1D Corsair: 4 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 32 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 6
A7M2 Sam x 18
J2M5 Jack x 30
N1K5-J George x 2
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 21
Ki-84b Frank x 5
Ki-84r Frank x 2
Ki-100-II Tony x 26

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
A7M2 Sam: 3 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair II: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Corsair II sweeping at 20000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 71 NM, estimated altitude 39,300 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 3
A7M2 Sam x 9
J2M5 Jack x 25
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 16
Ki-84b Frank x 3
Ki-84r Frank x 1
Ki-100-II Tony x 22

Allied aircraft
Corsair IV x 13
F4U-1D Corsair x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Corsair IV sweeping at 39300 feet
1 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 39300 feet

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Morning Air attack on 2nd Guards Division, at 55,57 , near Moulmein

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D Mitchell x 18
Beaufighter TF.X x 2
Mosquito FB.VI x 4
Spitfire VIII x 16
DB-7B x 4
Hudson I x 3
A-20G Havoc x 29
B-17E Fortress x 5
B-24J Liberator x 25
B-25D1 Mitchell x 7
B-25J1 Mitchell x 9
B-25J11 Mitchell x 36

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D Mitchell: 4 damaged
Beaufighter TF.X: 1 damaged
DB-7B: 1 damaged
A-20G Havoc: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 3 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak
B-25J1 Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 6 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
122 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-25D Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 64 NM, estimated altitude 43,300 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 2
A7M2 Sam x 7
J2M5 Jack x 19
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 10
Ki-84b Frank x 2
Ki-84r Frank x 1
Ki-100-II Tony x 13

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 39300 feet

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Morning Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 1
A7M2 Sam x 1
J2M5 Jack x 5
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 2

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 13
Liberator GR.VI x 3
Thunderbolt II x 13
F4U-1D Corsair x 4
B-24J Liberator x 55
B-29-1 Superfort x 32
B-29-25 Superfort x 68
F-6D Mustang x 16
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 15
P-51D Mustang x 12
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 3
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 11

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 3 damaged
Liberator B.VI: 1 destroyed by flak
Thunderbolt II: 1 destroyed
B-24J Liberator: 16 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
B-29-1 Superfort: 12 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 31 damaged
F-6D Mustang: 1 destroyed
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed
P-51D Mustang: 1 destroyed
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 2 damaged
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak

Resources hits 421

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
City Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 31 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 2
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 1

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 7
Liberator GR.VI x 12
F4U-1D Corsair x 11
B-24J Liberator x 15
F4U-1A Corsair x 29
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 17
PB4Y-2 Privateer x 71
PV-1 Ventura x 36
PV-2 Harpoon x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 1 damaged
Liberator GR.VI: 2 damaged
Liberator GR.VI: 1 destroyed by flak
B-24J Liberator: 7 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 4 damaged
PB4Y-2 Privateer: 18 damaged
PV-1 Ventura: 8 damaged
PV-1 Ventura: 1 destroyed by flak
PV-2 Harpoon: 6 damaged

Resources hits 111
Light Industry hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x PV-2 Harpoon bombing from 9000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 6
Thunderbolt II x 4
B-24J Liberator x 6
B-29-25 Superfort x 20
PBJ-1J Mitchell x 11

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 4 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 6 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 11 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak
PBJ-1J Mitchell: 2 damaged

Resources hits 68

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x PBJ-1J Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet *
City Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Rangoon , at 54,53

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 45 NM, estimated altitude 45,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 15

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 2
Wildcat V x 8
Kittyhawk IV x 2
P-39D Airacobra x 12
P-40N5 Warhawk x 4
P-51B Mustang x 4
F4F-4 Wildcat x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed
Kittyhawk IV: 1 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra: 2 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed

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April 15-16, 1945

On the 15th we both sweep into no opposition. The Allies try to cut behind our lines with a paradrop at Tavoy. The one Heavy arty unit there somehow fights off a superior force while retreating into the jungle.

I noticed the Allies sending ships into the Kushiro area, and sent sweeps in for the 16th. Sure enough, a very hefty CAP was up over the base. This one was set with top of the line P-47N flying high, P-51D and Spit VIII in the mix. Results were decent but just less than 1:1 at the end.

Down South some of that was made up jumping a few bombing runs, but sweeps also took a toll there. On the day we ended up at about 60 lost to 40 shot down, or 2:3.

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round combat at Tavoy (54,60)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 781 troops, 19 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 12

Defending force 660 troops, 12 guns, 44 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Allied adjusted assault: 8

Japanese adjusted defense: 10

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 4)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+), leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
Vehicles lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
44th (Support) Bn /2

Defending units:
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment

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Morning Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 16 NM, estimated altitude 42,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 38

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 12
Spitfire VIII x 6
P-38L Lightning x 18
P-39D Airacobra x 13
P-47N Thunderbolt x 35
P-51D Mustang x 35
FM-2 Wildcat x 16
F6F-3 Hellcat x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 9 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 2 destroyed
P-38L Lightning: 2 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra: 2 destroyed
P-47N Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 41 NM, estimated altitude 39,270 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84r Frank x 49

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 11
P-38L Lightning x 9
P-39D Airacobra x 10
P-47N Thunderbolt x 31
P-51D Mustang x 34
FM-2 Wildcat x 14
F6F-3 Hellcat x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 6 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 1 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra: 2 destroyed
P-47N Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed
FM-2 Wildcat: 4 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 38270 feet

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Morning Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 86 NM, estimated altitude 39,270 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84r Frank x 49

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 6
P-38L Lightning x 9
P-39D Airacobra x 5
P-47N Thunderbolt x 26
P-51D Mustang x 29
FM-2 Wildcat x 9
F6F-3 Hellcat x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 10 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-47N Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 38270 feet

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Morning Air attack on 100th Division, at 55,57 , near Moulmein

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 49 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 20
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 6
Ki-83 x 19
Ki-84r Frank x 5

Allied aircraft
Blenheim VD x 5
A-20G Havoc x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim VD: 3 destroyed
A-20G Havoc: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 100th Division, at 55,57 , near Moulmein

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 45 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 17
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 3
Ki-83 x 17
Ki-84r Frank x 5

Allied aircraft
A-20G Havoc x 14
B-24J Liberator x 16
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
A-20G Havoc: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 5 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
41 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x A-20G Havoc bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at 57,56 (near Rahaeng)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1578 troops, 0 guns, 124 vehicles, Assault Value = 379

Defending force 1389 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 15

Allied adjusted assault: 39

Japanese adjusted defense: 31

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
100 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
15 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
150th RAC Regiment
22nd (East African) Brigade
147th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
7th New Chinese Corps

Defending units:
91st Naval Guard Unit
15th Const Co
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A good layered CAP that had the riffraff don low, which our planes dived on, and then the high P-47s and P-51s dived back down on them.

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April 17-18, 1945

The next few turns have some sporadic action. Not much other than bombing runs in Burma. On the 18th the Allies to send an all-out strike to Sapporo. This does effectively take out much of the remaining industry and resources. It's taken about 9 months, and a lot of planes, but his base will now be less well defended as there isn't much to hit left. Still a bit of LI.

Our CAP again managed to take a good tithe for the losses.

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Morning Air attack on 2nd Guards Division, at 55,58 , near Tavoy

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D Mitchell x 25
Spitfire VIII x 15
Thunderbolt I x 24
Wellington B.X x 33
DB-7B x 4
Hudson I x 3
F4U-1D Corsair x 9
A-20G Havoc x 45
B-24J Liberator x 17
B-25D1 Mitchell x 3
B-25H Mitchell x 2
B-25J1 Mitchell x 8
B-25J11 Mitchell x 30
P-51D Mustang x 50

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D Mitchell: 6 damaged
B-25D Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak
Wellington B.X: 3 damaged
Hudson I: 2 damaged
A-20G Havoc: 8 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 3 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-25J1 Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 10 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
52 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-25D Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 24 NM, estimated altitude 38,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 15
A7M2 Sam x 13
N1K5-J George x 40
Ki-84b Frank x 17

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
A7M2 Sam: 2 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 3 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair II: 2 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 41 NM, estimated altitude 41,300 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 11
A7M2 Sam x 7
N1K5-J George x 29
Ki-84b Frank x 13

Allied aircraft
Corsair IV x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair IV: 4 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 41,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 8
A7M2 Sam x 3
N1K5-J George x 19
Ki-84b Frank x 9

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 4 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 5 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 71 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-2 Privateer x 27

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-2 Privateer: 16 damaged
PB4Y-2 Privateer: 1 destroyed by flak

Resources hits 14

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x PB4Y-2 Privateer bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 33 minutes

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-2 Privateer x 12

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-2 Privateer: 6 damaged
PB4Y-2 Privateer: 2 destroyed by flak

Resources hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x PB4Y-2 Privateer bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 32 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 4
Thunderbolt II x 18
B-24J Liberator x 17
PV-1 Ventura x 17

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 4 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 11 damaged
PV-1 Ventura: 4 damaged
PV-1 Ventura: 1 destroyed by flak

Heavy Industry hits 3
Light Industry hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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April 19-20, 1945

Not much happens on the 19th, but as the retreat in Burma progresses, the IJA troops move into a much more defended hex and Allied bombing runs become a much more difficult proposition for them.

I'm sure it was a shock to lose 30-40 bombers to flak. Lets see if the bombing progresses at the same volume. They do very little damage in the x3 hex anyway, so I say keep em coming!

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Morning Air attack on 12th Base Force, at 55,59 , near Tavoy

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 74 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D Mitchell x 21
Wellington B.X x 3
A-20G Havoc x 3
B-24J Liberator x 3
B-25D1 Mitchell x 3
B-25J1 Mitchell x 6
B-25J11 Mitchell x 3
P-38H Lightning x 17
P-51D Mustang x 51

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D Mitchell: 16 damaged
B-25D Mitchell: 2 destroyed by flak
Wellington B.X: 2 damaged
Wellington B.X: 1 destroyed by flak
A-20G Havoc: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-25J1 Mitchell: 2 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-25D Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 102nd Division, at 55,59 , near Tavoy

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 73 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D Mitchell x 7
B-24J Liberator x 9

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D Mitchell: 7 damaged
B-25D Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak
B-24J Liberator: 8 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-25D Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 2nd Division, at 55,58 , near Tavoy

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter TF.X x 25
Mosquito FB.VI x 8
A-20G Havoc x 15
B-24J Liberator x 3
P-51D Mustang x 2

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter TF.X: 17 damaged
Beaufighter TF.X: 1 destroyed by flak
Mosquito FB.VI: 5 damaged
Mosquito FB.VI: 1 destroyed by flak
A-20G Havoc: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 18th Army, at 55,58 , near Tavoy

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
Wellington B.X x 9
A-20G Havoc x 4
B-24J Liberator x 8
B-25J1 Mitchell x 6
B-25J11 Mitchell x 6

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington B.X: 8 damaged
Wellington B.X: 1 destroyed by flak
A-20G Havoc: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged
B-25J1 Mitchell: 2 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Wellington B.X bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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April 21-22, 1945

Not much again for a few days here. CR is still bombing the base at Truk, which I haven't touched other than to send a few more troops when some ships appeared nearby. Supply is getting low, but so are the 4Es attacking, and every other day on average one goes down.

The Allies took the day off on the 21st bombing in Burma and began again 10k higher.

Not many results from up there, but losses were reduced.

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Afternoon Air attack on Truk , at 112,108

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 1
B-24D1 Liberator x 3

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
1 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR April 22, 1945
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Morning Air attack on 2nd Division, at 55,58 , near Tavoy

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D Mitchell x 7
Blenheim VD x 3
Wellington Ic x 5
Wellington B.X x 16
DB-7B x 4
Hudson I x 9
F4U-1D Corsair x 11
A-20G Havoc x 44
B-24J Liberator x 19
B-25D1 Mitchell x 2
B-25H Mitchell x 2
B-25J1 Mitchell x 3
B-25J11 Mitchell x 11

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D Mitchell: 2 damaged
Blenheim VD: 1 damaged
Wellington Ic: 1 damaged
Wellington B.X: 9 damaged
Hudson I: 2 damaged
A-20G Havoc: 5 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 9 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-25D Mitchell bombing from 19000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Truk , at 112,108

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 7
B-24D1 Liberator x 3

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
B-24D1 Liberator: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 10

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Something is about to happen. I noticed some ships moving in the Kuriles area last turn. I set more search planes for the 23rd and lo and behold, there looks to be a new operation unfolding off the NE coast of Honshu.

Is he coming for Sendai/Iwaki or Hachinoe? I am guessing it's destined for another location. Why move so far off shore toward NE Honshu, easily under LR CAP range from Kushiro?

If it is moving on, the question is where?

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April 23, 1945

In other news the Allies sweep Sendai with P-47N flying up high. I would have thought they'd have their way here, but I've set my normal low CAP and it seems the low detection time of 3 minutes may have actually helped the CAP in this situation. It looks like few planes were up when the raid was detected, but by the time the sweepers had dived to low levels, they met a big low layered CAP in the low bands. A lot of planes scrambled and the" intercepting now" message for each group had about half of each group up and intercepting.

Five groups were involved in the sweeps, and 95 total P-47N. Of those reports show an exact 1:1 loss ratio and 44 Allied planes lost in A to A action. With ops losses that should be about a half month's production. Much better than I'd ever expect. I wonder if Allied pilot quality is now starting to lower after these many months of heavy offensive action over Japanese bases. In the pilots lost screen we lost 19 KIA and 19 WIA this turn. I'd guess Allied losses were higher in KIA and MIA.

No bombers followed, so this begs the question; why were they sweeping here? Is this to clear the path for invasion? Or make me think this is a target? Maybe tomorrow will tell.

Down South the flak gunners find the altitude and range and down another 15 or so bombers. Nice.

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Morning Air attack on Sendai , at 117,58

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 13 NM, estimated altitude 44,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 49
Ki-84r Frank x 46
Ki-100-II Tony x 24

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 3 destroyed

CAP engaged:
30th Sentai with Ki-84r Frank (3 airborne, 17 on standby, 21 scrambling)
20 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 38270.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes
70th Sentai with Ki-44-IIc Tojo (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 35 scrambling)
10 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 5000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 36740.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 12 minutes
104th Sentai with Ki-100-II Tony (5 airborne, 16 on standby, 0 scrambling)
21 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 36090.
Raid is overhead

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Morning Air attack on Sendai , at 117,58

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 21 NM, estimated altitude 47,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 46
Ki-84r Frank x 39
Ki-100-II Tony x 22

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 3 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 5 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Sendai , at 117,58

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 69 NM, estimated altitude 45,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 32
Ki-84r Frank x 30
Ki-100-II Tony x 17

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 40

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 2 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 8 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Sendai , at 117,58

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 47 NM, estimated altitude 42,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 21
Ki-84r Frank x 19
Ki-100-II Tony x 11

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 3 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 3 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x P-47N Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet

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Morning Air attack on 18th Division, at 55,59 , near Tavoy

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D Mitchell x 11
Spitfire VIII x 30
Wellington B.X x 24
DB-7B x 4
Hudson I x 3
A-20G Havoc x 6
B-24J Liberator x 13
B-25D1 Mitchell x 3
B-25J11 Mitchell x 10
P-38H Lightning x 17
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 4
P-51D Mustang x 18

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D Mitchell: 5 damaged
B-25D Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak
Wellington B.X: 10 damaged
Wellington B.X: 1 destroyed by flak
DB-7B: 1 destroyed by flak
Hudson I: 1 damaged
Hudson I: 1 destroyed by flak
A-20G Havoc: 3 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 12 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
B-25D1 Mitchell: 2 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 6 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-25D Mitchell bombing from 19000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 21st Division, at 55,59 , near Tavoy

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Allied aircraft
Blenheim VD x 3
Thunderbolt I x 12
Hudson I x 7
F4U-1D Corsair x 11
B-24J Liberator x 8
B-25D1 Mitchell x 2
B-25H Mitchell x 2
B-25J11 Mitchell x 7

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim VD: 2 damaged
Hudson I: 4 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 8 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 3 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Hudson I bombing from 19000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 1/30/2019 2:46:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: obvert

Something is about to happen. I noticed some ships moving in the Kuriles area last turn.

Don't forget to use all your tools here. MTBs, Midgets are valuable in running into and out of the invasion hex (although midgets might be a VP loser). If you have enough reserves on trains, you may easily bottle up the invasion beach especially with level 6 forts or so. Minefields and CD guns are always a VP winner for a bit, especially for a bottled up invasion hex.

When given lots of ground units to target the naval bombardments will focus on large divisions & cd units first, and normally never target the armor units.

Where do you have the Wake CD gun unit?

A tricky thought is to LRCAP the invasion hex at night, and hope to shoot down the spotting aircraft.

Some Jills on night naval attack, restricted to the invasion hex, can lessen bombardment damage too.

Is this the big one?

With respect to the P47...sometimes you just get a good roll.

But better tactics always helps!

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