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Xxzard -> RE: April 1942 in this war... (10/5/2009 1:06:01 AM)
Could you give us an idea of the effects of the naval bombardment on Pago Pago? In a game versus the AI, I have some BB's available, notably the Oklahoma that survived the PH attack, and I know the location of all Jap carriers, but old BB's are slow fuel hogs. So I think the best purpose they can serve is to make bombardment runs, and some clue of the effect of these would be nice. Thanks!

cfulbright -> RE: April 1942 in this war... (10/5/2009 2:17:54 AM)
Aztez, It looks like he had a lot of Vals damaged at Samoa. Hopefully this will quiet down his KB some.

jwilkerson -> RE: April 1942 in this war... (10/5/2009 8:29:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: aztez quote: ORIGINAL: jwilkerson quote: ORIGINAL: aztez The most immediate concern is to figure out how to get fighters into Pago Pago area without shipping them? This seems like an big problem now. If you have any carriers left, you can use a "fly off" mission. Load some P40s or Wildcats aboard the carriers, sail them to within transfer range and then fly the fighters to the destination base. I used the RN carriers to move a bunch of American planes from Perth to Java in an earlier game using this technique. Appreciate the idea Joe. That is doable but it might be very risky indeed. I have already lost 2 US carriers and really cannot afford lose more of them at least not without an good fight. The seas around Samoa Islands aren't exactly peaceful either and KB can crash towards these "transfer" carriers if spotted so I need to think this through once the turn arrives. Very good advice maybe not for the current situation though. Damn I hope the CVE Long Island would be operational. Otherwise, you'll just have to find another nearby Island and fly them in from there.

LoBaron -> RE: April 1942 in this war... (10/5/2009 12:00:25 PM)
Hi! I think theres a few questions which have to be answered before you can decide how to react on the savaii situation. - whats your troop composition at Suva? - whats you troop situation at Pago Pago? - hows your supply situation in both places? - whats the airfield size on Savaii and Pago Pago? - what intel have you got on the fleet composition of the invasion TF? is it possible he got more troops there and will use them against Pago Pago? - can you reach Savaii with your B17s located on the Fijis? this would be my first counter, bombing the port there to reduce his supplies to a minimum, you bet he will try to get LBA there ASAP. the most important thing is not to lose the Fijis followed closely by doing everything possible to prevent him from taking Pago Pago. one possible reaction would be to wait until KB hast to retreat (but this depends on his ability to replenish at Savaii) and then make reinforcement runs to both Fijis and Pago including LBA to pound Savaii. a second option could be an attack on his Flank, invading some islands north of Savaii to cut him off and attrition him making his own offense useless. finally you could try a second counterinvasion of Savaii itself, seems like his second attack wave didnt have the troops to handle a brigade or smal division. all three options would be best to originate from PH if you got the troops/AC available simply because its closer than West Coast and have CV support just in case. i think this developement is critical because if you cant stop him right where he is now hes gonna off australia and you have to fight every convoy into sidney, probably with high losses. btw: how does NZ look like? if his strategy is really cutting off Australia then after finishing Fijis id turn to NZ and finish it right there. heads up aztez i think he is running a high risk operation himself there and this could work to your benefit if you find the right counter. edit: forget the B17 questen. just seen that if you can reach Noumea then Savaii should be easy. and you could support the B17 attacks with P39 sweeps from Pago Pago...

Rob Brennan UK -> RE: April 1942 in this war... (10/6/2009 12:25:35 AM)
LoBaron beat me to it (again) [;)]. Use the B17's in suva on ground attack duties (it'll become clearer later in the post) as they wont hit the broadside of a barn on naval attack (unless they have been training for it since day1 ). As for getting beter a/c to pago, heres a high risk /high gain option for you . Depends on AV support in Pago but i'll guess its about 125 ish. Get a CV or 2 into transfer range (max for the TB's) and fly the entire air components onto Pago.Obviously you run away as fast as you can after doing this [:D. They are your BEST aircrew and best planes. on an unsinkable island they will cause Dave a massive headache as the good xp DB will flatten invasion convoys and the TB's scare his CV away a few hexes. Any unneccasary A/C in pago you cant fly out. Disband them to get more space. I can't emember the poster who originally came up wih the idea that disbled squads suffer many more kills in combat is imo 100% correct. In my AI game japan unloaded a fresh Div at akyab and marched upto cox's bazaar. Allied forces were enough to make sure he didnt get it early and since then i've been shelling him daily for 100-200 losses. initially it was almost all disablements, the after a while kills crept up and up as (i assume) disabled squads were hit again. Re chinese losses, this explains your heavy casualties there as all chinese formation have a huge number of disabled at game start and they repair with agonising slowness. Poor morale/exp affects this too as Burmese formations always suffer a lot worse than the few good quality commonwealth troops available in india. IE 25th tank brigade and reinforcing Aussie inf divs. This brings me back to the point of using the B17's hitting Savali, you need to disable as much as possible and they seem your only option atm. Sweeps from Page will escort the bombers too should they actually meet up (seems like 50/50 in my experience) but sweeps wont seperately engage LRCAP so your P39's will be disadventaged even more vs the Zero. Worth bearing in mind imo. If the 17's can fight through alone save the 39's for pagos defence. That said you can afford to lose Pago ,annoying as it will be. But Fiji is crutial as its a far better base overall. Fingers crossed you won't lost it anyway. But its also a lot safer to air transfer from CV's to Suva then to Pago (SBD's have the range but i wouldnt expect the short legged TB's to do the same). Thats just my 5p for today. Re.Sian (again based on japanese kills in the woods i suspect he's hurting a bit with disblements himelf in that stack. With any luck his next assult will roll a 1 and you will start getting some nice kill numbers sooner rather than later. monster rant over. Good Luck

LoBaron -> RE: April 1942 in this war... (10/6/2009 7:07:23 AM)
hehe Rob i may have beaten you to it but your post is the usual 10/10 [:D] I have only seen now that you commented on the risk of a CV clash this early in the war and totally agree. Most of all since using Carrier AC on Pago or Suva is much less risk than leaving them on the flattops. Great idea! Can they transfer between Pago and Suva or is this out of range for the Dauntless? Also im not sure on the use of TB. Wouldnt they need an air HQ´s to use torps? I forgot that a sweep mission doesnt tackle LRCAP and they are probably more of use in the CAP role anyway. Aztek, also, if you transfer the DBs and Wildcats you could use all Wildcats to escort the strikes while using the P39 for island defense. This would make any invasion at least risky if not outright suicidal even with KB support. Must-Buy-Admirals-Expansion-Damnit...

aztez -> RE: April 1942 in this war... (10/6/2009 8:28:03 AM)
Monter_Trismegistos: I think I could combine them. I haven't done any such things since I wanted to keep them separated due to land and ground bombardments. That was the initial idea at least. Xxzard: I will post an summary of those bombardments. They are tuned down quite a lot which I find it to be good thing. Those old battleships are fuel hogs for sure, I think I have 7 of them parked at Pearl Harbour. Just waiting to get them into action. cfulbright: Hopefully. There were actually same kind of assault made by those Val's. The intel screen indicates 20 of them lost but I'am somewhat skeptical about it. jwilkerson: Yeah. Thankfully those drop tanks do give fighters at least some legs. That is an very nice addition into the game. LoBaron: I will take an pic from the troop composition next turn. It is an mixed bag though which has infantry + artillery and support units located both at Fiji's and Pago Pago. I have some 400av behind lvl 4 forts placed at Pago Pago and these troops are well supplied too. Fiji's have in nearly 600av in total of av placed there. These bases are also well supplied. I think the airfield size at Suva is 6 and at Pago Pago it is currently 4. The intel is lacking since it seems that Dave is trying to neutralize the airfield at Pago Pago. I did spot an TF further up the north. I wonder whether these are actual invasion TF's or the oilers of the KB. I send out an submarine to check this out. I have actually thought about the flanking movement in Samoa Islands. Maybe it is worth the risk but the main thing is to keep him busy here. The supply situation off Australia is not that bad. You can use Cape Town --> Melbourne route if necessary. It is a bit longer route but pretty much impossible to cut off. I have hauled in a lot fuel and supplies already. So, the loss of Samoa or Fiji is not an total disaster but personally I want to stop him here. NZ haven't received any reinforcements in terms of ground units. As Sardaukar posted a bit earlier allied shall get decent reinforcements if he assaults the NZ. I doubt this target is in his top priority at the moment. Instead he seems to be focusing on China, Fiji/Samoa and Burma theatres. Yeah, I'am definately looking for opportunities and errors. There have been few but the going will get tougher day by day so this is pound to happen sooner or later. The only problem with moving aircraft out of carriers is the new stacking limits. This has really changed from the witp. The limits are two ways.. either number of squadrons or number of aircraft. That deliveres few problems on its own. Yeah, torpedo bombers do require on HQ or very sizeable airfield. I highly recommend you too buy this product! You will notice that AE delivires so many "new problems" for the allied side. Rob: So true, allied lba bombers don't seem to hit anything at least when targeting naval assets. ABDA bombers are the prime example since only ones hitting ships were those withdrawn Banshee bombers. I'am still thinking about the possible carrier squadrons and such. It is high risk / reward situation. Dave seems to be pounding the airfield and tries to get it shutdown at the moment. I have some 15 B17's at Suva now. If the situation warrants I will be moving more into Suva. They actually flew againts Savaii last turn but zero's managed to distrubt them enough so we didn't hit his ground units. At least we tied down 1 squadron of carrier zero's though. Next turn the bombing runs continue now at 27 000 feet. Absolutely those disablements are horrific if taken into battles. We propably have already lost 2000-3000av points worth of troops at China. We shall whether those disablements start to hurt him too but I'am not too optimistic about it. That way you can only get an positive suprise. Appreciated "the monster rant".

aztez -> RE: April 1942 in this war... (10/6/2009 8:28:54 AM)
Java (april 8th and 9th 1942) Nothing major happened. Japanese army is now just 40 miles outside of Batavia. I have flown recon and it seems he has 7 units in that stack, ABDA bombers have actually managed to knock down few tanks and armoured vehicles at least if the combat reports are to be believed. I will continue to fly out these missions since at least his movement rates might be down a bit. It is very hard to predict on how fast he can actually capture the Java area. There has not been any naval movements lately in this area so I guess Dave is happy with forces he landed so far. [image]local://upfiles/15617/41816A831E694494AE19C62BC0306779.jpg[/image]

aztez -> RE: April 1942 in this war... (10/6/2009 8:45:19 AM)
Burma (april 8th and 9th 1942) We got "lucky" here since japanese did launch 2 ground offensives againts our defensive line in Mandalay. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Mandalay (59,46) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 47721 troops, 531 guns, 214 vehicles, Assault Value = 1298 Defending force 21062 troops, 180 guns, 83 vehicles, Assault Value = 425 Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2 Japanese adjusted assault: 840 Allied adjusted defense: 504 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 2) Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2 Combat modifiers Defender: forts(+), leaders(+), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 504 casualties reported Squads: 3 destroyed, 25 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 52 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled Vehicles lost 4 (0 destroyed, 4 disabled) Allied ground losses: 3594 casualties reported Squads: 82 destroyed, 32 disabled Non Combat: 104 destroyed, 91 disabled Engineers: 7 destroyed, 11 disabled Guns lost 11 (5 destroyed, 6 disabled) Vehicles lost 30 (20 destroyed, 10 disabled) Assaulting units: 112th Infantry Regiment 38th Division 33rd Division 16th Infantry Regiment 55th Cavalry Regiment 24th Infantry Regiment 1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment 3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion 10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 45th Field AA Battalion 47th Field AA Battalion 15th Army 55th Mountain Gun Regiment 2nd Mortar Battalion 48th Field Artillery Regiment 21st Medium Field Artillery Battalion Defending units: 2nd King Own YLI Battalion 4/14th Punjab Battalion 10th Burma Rifles Battalion 12th Burma Rifles Battalion 9th Burma Rifles Battalion 1st Gloucestershire Battalion 2nd Burma Brigade 13th Burma Rifles Battalion 4/8th Ghurka Battalion 9/11th Sikh Battalion 6th Burma Rifles Battalion BFF Brigade 16th Indian Brigade 108th RAF Base Force 221 Group RAF 1st Burma Auxiliary AA Regiment 106th RAF Base Force Burma Corps 103rd RAF Base Force 27th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Mandalay (59,46) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 47054 troops, 531 guns, 214 vehicles, Assault Value = 1265 Defending force 18086 troops, 177 guns, 70 vehicles, Assault Value = 335 Japanese adjusted assault: 262 Allied adjusted defense: 95 Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 2) Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: preparation(-), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 529 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 14 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 20 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Vehicles lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled) Allied ground losses: 1360 casualties reported Squads: 34 destroyed, 79 disabled Non Combat: 135 destroyed, 125 disabled Engineers: 3 destroyed, 7 disabled Guns lost 12 (3 destroyed, 9 disabled) Vehicles lost 16 (16 destroyed, 0 disabled) Assaulting units: 16th Infantry Regiment 55th Cavalry Regiment 33rd Division 38th Division 112th Infantry Regiment 24th Infantry Regiment 1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment 3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 47th Field AA Battalion 55th Mountain Gun Regiment 2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion 10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 48th Field Artillery Regiment 15th Army 2nd Mortar Battalion 9th Field AF Construction Battalion 45th Field AA Battalion 21st Medium Field Artillery Battalion 2nd Naval Construction Battalion Defending units: 9th Burma Rifles Battalion 9/11th Sikh Battalion 4/8th Ghurka Battalion 1st Gloucestershire Battalion 4/14th Punjab Battalion 10th Burma Rifles Battalion 2nd Burma Brigade 6th Burma Rifles Battalion 12th Burma Rifles Battalion 2nd King Own YLI Battalion BFF Brigade 16th Indian Brigade 108th RAF Base Force 221 Group RAF 1st Burma Auxiliary AA Regiment 27th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment 103rd RAF Base Force Burma Corps 106th RAF Base Force AVG Ground Echelon The forts are now down to level 0. Luckily for us our troop movement out of the hex is at 42/46 so we should be able to withdraw into Schwebo before the next assault arrives. It slow going though with the combat orders used here. [image]local://upfiles/15617/4165CA3CFF4640619049ED4E49020665.jpg[/image]

aztez -> RE: April 1942 in this war... (10/6/2009 8:47:04 AM)
Samoa Islands (april 8th and 9th 1942) Japanese are still conducting large scale carrier operations here. Last two days saw some huge bomber waves lauched againts Pago Pago. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Pago Pago , at 148,161 Weather in hex: Overcast Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 30,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 13 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 19 D3A1 Val x 122 Allied aircraft P-39D Airacobra x 10 P-400 Airacobra x 6 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed D3A1 Val: 3 destroyed, 28 damaged Allied aircraft losses P-39D Airacobra: 3 damaged P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed on ground P-400 Airacobra: 1 destroyed PBY-5 Catalina: 1 destroyed on ground Allied ground losses: Vehicles lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled) Airbase hits 7 Airbase supply hits 6 Runway hits 38 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Pago Pago , at 148,161 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid detected at 23 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 7 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 10 Allied aircraft P-39D Airacobra x 8 P-400 Airacobra x 4 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed P-400 Airacobra: 1 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Pago Pago , at 148,161 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 13 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 16 D3A1 Val x 116 Allied aircraft P-39D Airacobra x 3 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed D3A1 Val: 3 destroyed, 25 damaged Allied aircraft losses P-39D Airacobra: 3 damaged P-39D Airacobra: 2 destroyed on ground PBY-5 Catalina: 1 destroyed on ground B-26 Marauder: 1 destroyed on ground Allied ground losses: Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled) Airbase hits 9 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 53 The obvious aim is to close down the airfield here. The runway damage and service damage is around 40-50% at the moment. So, the base is still operational. I did send few of the depleted P39's into Suva for rest and refit. You can fly them out using drop tanks at the game. In return I moved some 50 P40E's into Pago Pago in order to counter the next carrier raid againts the base. Lets see how this goes. BB Hiei and BB Kirishima are still bombarding he base here... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Pago Pago at 148,161 Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses No Allied losses Japanese Ships BB Kirishima BB Hiei Allied ground losses: 7 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Airbase hits 9 Airbase supply hits 4 Runway hits 29 BB Kirishima firing at Pago Pago BB Hiei firing at Pago Pago The damage is not anything like you would have gained in the old witp classic. Overall the situation is very tense here and I wonder how long can he support these strikes due supply situation and ammo problems. [image]local://upfiles/15617/758D3BB33FF64032A314D960E775C54C.jpg[/image]

seydlitz_slith -> RE: April 1942 in this war... (10/6/2009 12:35:54 PM)
The unknown TF is probably his oilers. The KB and the battleships can't operate that far south without having to refuel. If you had a way to hit it, you could really ruin his day.

Rob Brennan UK -> RE: April 1942 in this war... (10/6/2009 7:36:11 PM)
Interesting that he's not bombing with Kates ?? they would be the best choice and fly above the worse of the flak that seems to be heavily damaging his Vals. V Odd. And If that is the entire KB he's really short on planes. If the B17's are getting shot up over suvali can they be used to ferry eng squads into pago ? i'm not sure that possible in AE but worth a thought. Care to try and run a single AK into Pago and make some Pt's ? Most likely suicide i agree but its only one AKL and your not short of those [:D] LoBaron .. /blush .. hehe Edit .. seydlitz has a v good point . any subs you can divert there ?

LoBaron -> RE: April 1942 in this war... (10/6/2009 7:54:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK Interesting that he's not bombing with Kates ?? they would be the best choice and fly above the worse of the flak that seems to be heavily damaging his Vals. V Odd. And If that is the entire KB he's really short on planes. If the B17's are getting shot up over suvali can they be used to ferry eng squads into pago ? i'm not sure that possible in AE but worth a thought. Care to try and run a single AK into Pago and make some Pt's ? Most likely suicide i agree but its only one AKL and your not short of those [:D] LoBaron .. /blush .. hehe Edit .. seydlitz has a v good point . any subs you can divert there ? Yeah ok Rob i guess i play against the AI too much [X(] i guess Kates on naval would be the end of any CV TF closing in right? still i think from the japanese side its changing a strategical advantage into a tactical one. his carriers are well out of long term supply so losses for him could have more impact on the next year. and his most focused naval position is well known.

aztez -> RE: April 1942 in this war... (10/6/2009 8:01:37 PM)
seydlitz: I think on the same line. These must be his oilers since their position doesn't make sense otherwise. I will check when turn arrives what can be done offensively here. I did send few submarines towards this area and they should arrive there shortly. Btw, the submarine campaign is slowly getting underway. We actually hit AK's near Japan in past few days. It seems that Dave is building up his ASW efforts here. Currently just a few submarines patrolling but more are enroute. I'am actually thinking about making an Midway an large submarine base since it cuts down range to the patrolling zones. Basically all I need is AS and larger port than we are set go there. Rob: It is odd. I doubt he is short of them though otherwise he would not be doing operations at all. Those ac's must be on the naval attack only mode. That is the only explanation I have for this. Those B17's are getting mildly damaged nothin bad though. Dave is covering Savaii with CAP from his carriers. I haven't actually checked whether these could be used as troop transports. They might be able to fly in troops from Christmas Island and Tahiti. Need to check on this once the turn arrives. Intresting to see what kind resistance those veteran P40E's can do too. These guys already went head to head with KB earlier at Suva. Oh, no need to make suicide AKL runs since I have some 90 000 supply points stored at Pago Pago. Actually been making few PT's already but these were blown apart immediately. Few submarines are on their way towards those oilers. I'am looking at all the possibilities at the moment though. LoBaron: Yes, most likely Kate's are set on naval strike only. Those Val losses are mounting though so I wonder what he is doing next. Personally I think he needs to close down the airfield within next turn or he will start getting short on assaulting ac's. It is a diffrent game when you enter the world of PBEM. Hopefully, these losses will hurt him in the longrun. I have had extensive lessons on his playing style though and he does not take crazy chances. Quite the opposite since he does calculate every single move he makes.

loricas -> RE: April 1942 in this war... (10/6/2009 10:53:17 PM)
Level bomber can transport supply not unit: patrol float plane or transport A/C only

Rob Brennan UK -> RE: April 1942 in this war... (10/7/2009 3:14:26 AM)
quote: I'am actually thinking about making an Midway an large submarine base since it cuts down range to the patrolling zones. Basically all I need is AS and larger port than we are set go there. only way you can do that is get an AS thats below the port level , not as easy as WITP sadly LoBaron . i've not tried PBEM on AE yet , did a few games in WITP with varying success ((i.e japanese bailouts) and i had to stop vs 2ndACR for medical reasons) best game is still in the WITP AAR vs littlejoe. if you can muster a japanese game im in for a long term game. [8D] Aztez . i lost noumea (shame) to the AI on ironman .. getting it back mid april mind you. but noumea doesnt really matter as much as it did in witp . Suva matters a LOT. consider it your dagger into the japanese outer periphery [:D].. i.e keep suva and re invade canton and page in japanese hands is cut off. anyhoo TY

LoBaron -> RE: April 1942 in this war... (10/7/2009 6:10:10 AM)
Hm if thats an invitation i definitely will think about it. There are some things i have to do first though. - get AE - id at least do a 1-2 months against the AI to get my feeling back on how the japanese economy is working - id have to think about an avatar unless i want to lose the propaganda war right from the start [:D] aztez what happened to the second sub that was hanging round the KB? got sunk? i like the idea of forming a wolfpack round the IJN CV´s... edit: what the hell is a 'VC'...maybe a vice carrier?...sometimes i love my typos...

aztez -> RE: April 1942 in this war... (10/7/2009 8:58:27 AM)
loricas: So, it seems. I actually didn't remember this since I rarely use aircraft to move troops around. It seems that this have changed from the witp classic. Btw, is your PBEM game already ongoing? Rob: I think the AI is more stubborn this time around. I actually haven't played vs AI much since it was PBEM all the way from the start. I will start one vs allied AI when I get the freetime to do so. I don't know. I mean Noumea is nice base to have since it opents up the Solomons. It also can be mutually supported from Efate etc. Personally I would rather hold on New Caledonia than Fiji's. I mean from Fiji's it is still long way into Solomons or any significant areas. Oh, Canton Island. That base has horrific tales coming from the witp classic. I think we both had few fights there. It is diffrent though with the AE. I mean just 6000 men can garrison the base so it is not as vital as it used to be, LoBaron: That submarine got hit by an depth charge. The damage was too severe so the submarine is on its way into Pearl Harbour. Wolfpack might work againts enemy carriers/battleships but againts normal shipping I think they are waste of time. Unfortunately we do not have adequate amount of submarines in the Samoa Island region so the wolfpack idea cannot be executed this time around. Seems that we might see an PBEM introducing you and Rob. That ought to be fun game if you guys get around to it. Good luck if you guys choose to go forward with the idea.

aztez -> RE: April 1942 in this war... (10/7/2009 8:59:38 AM)
China (april 10th and 11th 1942) The gigantic battles in the northern china continue. Dave launched two separate ground assaults againts our fortifications south of Sian. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 84,42 Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 93905 troops, 746 guns, 315 vehicles, Assault Value = 3048 Defending force 54072 troops, 342 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1190 Japanese adjusted assault: 902 Allied adjusted defense: 709 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: disruption(-) Japanese ground losses: 3011 casualties reported Squads: 11 destroyed, 133 disabled Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 122 disabled Engineers: 2 destroyed, 13 disabled Vehicles lost 17 (0 destroyed, 17 disabled) Allied ground losses: 6554 casualties reported Squads: 40 destroyed, 246 disabled Non Combat: 38 destroyed, 157 disabled Engineers: 9 destroyed, 21 disabled Guns lost 10 (2 destroyed, 8 disabled) Assaulting units: 8th Ind.Mixed Brigade 35th/A Division 3rd Division 9th Ind.Mixed Brigade 26th Recon Regiment 3rd Ching An Tui Brigade 41st Division 13th Tank Regiment 4th Cavalry Brigade 37th Division 12th Indpt Infantry Regiment 11th Indpt Infantry Regiment 35th/B Division 26th Engineer Regiment 6th Division 35th/C Division 2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion North China Area Army 1st Mortar Battalion 52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion Defending units: 41st Chinese Corps 90th Chinese/B Corps 38th New Chinese Division 57th Chinese Corps 33rd Chinese Corps 1st Chinese Corps 90th Chinese/A Corps 8th Route Army 95th Chinese/B Corps 5th War Area 22nd Group Army 7th Group Army 21st Group Army 34th Group Army 20th Artillery Regiment Red Chinese Army 1st Artillery Regiment 56th AT Gun Regiment -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 84,42 Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 90888 troops, 746 guns, 315 vehicles, Assault Value = 2881 Defending force 48916 troops, 338 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 937 Japanese adjusted assault: 432 Allied adjusted defense: 454 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 1524 casualties reported Squads: 15 destroyed, 106 disabled Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 122 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled Vehicles lost 34 (2 destroyed, 32 disabled) Allied ground losses: 3061 casualties reported Squads: 94 destroyed, 289 disabled Non Combat: 76 destroyed, 163 disabled Engineers: 4 destroyed, 5 disabled Guns lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled) Assaulting units: 3rd Ching An Tui Brigade 13th Tank Regiment 11th Indpt Infantry Regiment 35th/A Division 41st Division 26th Recon Regiment 9th Ind.Mixed Brigade 37th Division 12th Indpt Infantry Regiment 35th/B Division 7th Mongol Cavalry Division 26th Engineer Regiment 4th Cavalry Brigade 8th Ind.Mixed Brigade 3rd Division 6th Division 35th/C Division 2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion 1st Mortar Battalion North China Area Army 52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion Defending units: 38th New Chinese Division 90th Chinese/A Corps 1st Chinese Corps 90th Chinese/B Corps 41st Chinese Corps 33rd Chinese Corps 57th Chinese Corps 8th Route Army 95th Chinese/B Corps 20th Artillery Regiment 21st Group Army 5th War Area 1st Artillery Regiment 34th Group Army 22nd Group Army 7th Group Army Red Chinese Army 56th AT Gun Regiment The losses are yet again horrific. Some of the chinese units are completely routed and are ordered to move back into Sian. I wonder how long can he keep on pushing like this. Unfortunately not too many squads/armour destroyed yet again. AVG was up againts Oscars this turn. We did not fair too good since those Oscars were set to sweep at 37 000 feet. That is above the maxium alltitude for P40E's. [image]local://upfiles/15617/C710DB0958D544F1A6ED19016F4FA967.jpg[/image]

aztez -> RE: April 1942 in this war... (10/7/2009 9:00:49 AM)
Samoa Islands (april 10th and 11th 1942) KB is still lurking around Savaii as you can see from the pic. Allthough last turn Dave did not launch anykind raids againts Pago Pago. Either these raids were cancelled by the game or he decieded that he had accomplished what he was aiming for. BB Hiei and BB Kirishima however did bombard our defenders at Pago Pago. Hopefully these ships will be short of ammo soon. They are kind of "parked" there at the moment. Dave also have landed engineers into Savaii. Last turn the airfield became operational and it seems he moved in some zero fighters. I have send 6 more US submarines into the area. Hopefully we can distrubt his offensive operations with them too. [image]local://upfiles/15617/03B95446BA0A4986975C5994341E65C2.jpg[/image]

LoBaron -> RE: April 1942 in this war... (10/7/2009 9:50:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: aztez Samoa Islands (april 10th and 11th 1942) KB is still lurking around Savaii as you can see from the pic. Allthough last turn Dave did not launch anykind raids againts Pago Pago. Either these raids were cancelled by the game or he decieded that he had accomplished what he was aiming for. Id be careful with this assumption. This could mean one or both of two other things: - his vals are rested to provide maximum support for the invasion of Pago Pago - he has a high ammount of damaged planes now and gives them some time off which basically means this is not over. it would be a mistake just to take Savaii which could not hold out against an attritioning effort originating from Pago. you can get more planes there, you can get them there faster than he can and the range is short enough to bring even the shortest legged aliied fighter types into play. quote: Seems that we might see an PBEM introducing you and Rob. That ought to be fun game if you guys get around to it. Good luck if you guys choose to go forward with the idea. We will see. the idea is still very fresh most of all because i havent even got AE yet. which does not mean that im not interested. [:)]

Streptokok -> RE: April 1942 in this war... (10/7/2009 11:14:31 AM)
quote: I can't emember the poster who originally came up wih the idea that disbled squads suffer many more kills in combat is imo 100% correct. I rambled about that in one post. I basicly bombard AI after the assult [:-] because then disabled infantry seems to get destroyed much easier. Bombing it with level bombers is nice too after the assault, much more destroyed squads that way. Someone asked why do I complain about Jap Ida bombers not getting any real results as in they are susposed to keep troops in combat mode not in move mode, disrupt and fatigue, this is the reason as their attacks just generate disrup/fatig, I havent got any disabled or destroyed squads with Ida attacks. Is why they were promptly replaced with Lilly and Sally. They do the job much better [&o] Anyway, mauling a unit that has alot of disabled squads due to combat is sure to get its squads destroyed.

Sardaukar -> RE: April 1942 in this war... (10/7/2009 11:37:07 AM)
Since ground combat is almost same as in WitP, disabled squads are almost as bad as destroyed, very vulnerable to destruction and do not contribute to combat. Plus they eat supply to get back. Destroyed squads eat supply AND preplacements. I am not too worried about seeing attacker getting off "lighter" than defender, if defender loses more destroyed and attacker disabled. While first also depleting your pools, both mean "combat ineffective". Disabled squads cannot fight and they are extremely vulnerable to destruction in consequent combat too.

aztez -> Japanese advance in china and land at Pago Pago... (10/7/2009 7:31:57 PM)
I did just recieved the combat file and run it. Oh, boy was the turn bad well to be honest it had disaster written all over it. There has been so much talk on how hard it is for japan to advance due to the restrictions on economy, transport shipping etc. Well I have bought it so far but this turn sealed the issue for me and I think this is one big bubble waiting to be blown up. Last turn saw the demise of yet another low experienced chinese stack and massive landings at Pago Pago. We are not even in summer of 1942 and japanese have pretty much sealed the deal in the southern pacific, burma, java, philippines, malaya and even the china is crumbling on its knees due to the new restrictions. That is blitzkrieg that even the germans would have proud of in WW2. How is possible? Here are few views that you can agree or disagree. These are from allied perspective. 1. The nerfed allied fighter production. This is really bad since you do not have much. At the moment I have 3 operational US carriers and if I commit them into battle and we draw than that is an japanese victory since the depleted pools mean that those carriers are out of operations for months. ie. You cannot protect china if japanese bring in extra aircover etc, etc. 2. The ground combat with treats low experienced troops as ants. The best thing to do is to get out of the way with these troops thus meaning that run and hide until 1943 enters. There are plenty of good examples in this thread already. I have read the same kind of results in other threads too. 3. China. I already have said what is "wrong" with it and completely stand behind my words. It is actually quite "nerfed" for the allied side. You might have numbers but only thing they mean is that enemy will have more troops to kill. ...those are the main reasons. Now, as said this turn showed on what the japanese are capable of doing. I wonder how on earth can he push in 4 diffrent fronts with major troops. His pools propably are not even close to being "depleted". Or as I suspect Dave has calculated and decieded that the war of attrition is on his side. (which is absolutely true at the moment. Every ac he shoots down hurts me more than it does him) ..end of rant here now. I could go on for longer and more detailed issues but well... I doubt it is worth the effort or time consumed. It just amazes me what the japanese are capable of on such an early stage. I mean we are just at mid april 1942 for heavens sake. I know I'am not the A class allied player but I can say that these results would not be even close with the witp classic. Not by an longshot. Oh.. and hell no I'am not giving up. No, I need regroup and start thinking this game as Japanese blitzkrieg business. Thus meaning I propably will move everything back and wait for the date to enter 1943. There is not much sense to move troops into frontlines unless you can stack at least 1000av points into base. These should experienced troops too. Utterly disappointed and frustrated with the previous turn of events. That kind of summarizes the deeper feelings. LoBaron: The answer to that question is already in since I got the combat replay. Massive enemy landings ongoing at Pago Pago. I mean massive to say at least. More about in a bit but lets just say the war is going all wrong. Streptokok: I actually got evidence on how disabled units are treated with new ground combat model. Dave assaulted the Sian region and stormed the hex. This was his 3rd constant assault here. The losses were horrific for the chinese. Sardaukar: Lets hope so but I think japanese can recover quite fast since they do have the upper hand in terms supplies in China. Those supplies will get those disabled units back into action swiftly. I actually tried to withdraw those disabled units into Sian but I had no time. He just banged the door and it gave in on the 3rd try.

aztez -> RE: Japanese advance in china and land at Pago Pago... (10/7/2009 7:33:08 PM)
China (april 12th and 13th 1942) The japanese conducted the 3rd consecutive assault againts our troops south of Sian. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 84,42 Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 96672 troops, 784 guns, 315 vehicles, Assault Value = 2797 Defending force 44516 troops, 336 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 699 Japanese adjusted assault: 495 Allied adjusted defense: 187 Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: disruption(-) Japanese ground losses: 1757 casualties reported Squads: 5 destroyed, 122 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 94 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled Vehicles lost 42 (1 destroyed, 41 disabled) Allied ground losses: 19049 casualties reported Squads: 823 destroyed, 4 disabled Non Combat: 602 destroyed, 23 disabled Engineers: 38 destroyed, 3 disabled Guns lost 23 (23 destroyed, 0 disabled) Units retreated 18 Defeated Allied Units Retreating! Assaulting units: 4th Cavalry Brigade 3rd Ching An Tui Brigade 41st Division 3rd Division 7th Mongol Cavalry Division 37th Division 11th Indpt Infantry Regiment 6th Division 12th Indpt Infantry Regiment 26th Engineer Regiment 9th Ind.Mixed Brigade 35th Division 13th Tank Regiment 8th Ind.Mixed Brigade 26th Recon Regiment 51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion 2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 1st Mortar Battalion North China Area Army 52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion Defending units: 8th Route Army 41st Chinese Corps 1st Chinese Corps 33rd Chinese Corps 57th Chinese Corps 90th Chinese/B Corps 90th Chinese/A Corps 38th New Chinese Division 95th Chinese/B Corps 21st Group Army 5th War Area Red Chinese Army 1st Artillery Regiment 20th Artillery Regiment 34th Group Army 22nd Group Army 7th Group Army 56th AT Gun Regiment I had actually given orders to those badly disabled units to move to Sian. Unfortunately japanese had the strenght of doing this assault. I hoped they were in need of rest which really wasn't the case here. We lost +800 squads and japanese lost 5 squads. What I can say another really bad result for us. I wonder how much good does the 3500av points I have stacked in Sian do. Propably do not mount for much at all. I guess we don't have to wait for long to find this out! [image]local://upfiles/15617/97E67EBF730441E7BADAFDCFC2A8E9D9.jpg[/image]

aztez -> RE: Japanese advance in china and land at Pago Pago... (10/7/2009 7:34:39 PM)
Samoa Islands (april 12th and 13th 1942) The main objective here became very clear last turn. The KB covered Savaii invasion was secondary and only goal was to obtain operational airfield for his lba fighters. Last turn begun with TF100 and TF149 unloading their amphibious units into Pago Pago shores. Here are the actual list of events that took place here in past 2 days. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Invasion Support action off Pago Pago 38 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Japanese Ships xAKL Biyo Maru CL Kiso xAKL Batavia Maru, Shell hits 1 xAKL Genmei Maru, Shell hits 1 PB Sento Maru PB Kinsyo Maru #2 PB Shuko Maru #5, Shell hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage PB Sonan Maru #5 PB Shinko Maru #5 PB Santo Maru PB Kyo Maru #8, Shell hits 3, heavy fires DMS W-19 Japanese ground losses: 78 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pre-Invasion action off Pago Pago - Coastal Guns Fire Back! 100 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Japanese Ships BB Yamashiro CA Aoba, Shell hits 1 DD Yunagi DD Asanagi xAKL Tientsin Maru xAKL Korei Maru, Shell hits 3, on fire xAKL Gyoun Maru PB Uruboko Maru, Shell hits 2, heavy fires PB Shuko Maru #2 PB Kyo Maru #12, Shell hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage PB Shosei Maru, Shell hits 4, on fire PB Kohuku Maru, Shell hits 2, on fire PB Aso Maru #3, Shell hits 7, heavy fires PB Toshi Maru #2, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage PB Fukeui Maru #7 PB Fuji Maru, Shell hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage PB Chitose Maru SC Ch 15, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage SC Ch 13, Shell hits 2 Japanese ground losses: 10 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Allied ground losses: 11 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 5 (0 destroyed, 5 disabled) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amphibious Assault at Pago Pago TF 149 troops unloading over beach at Pago Pago, 148,161 Japanese ground losses: 323 casualties reported Squads: 14 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 16 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Invasion Support action off Pago Pago 40 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Japanese Ships xAKL Yamayuri Maru CL Kiso xAKL Batavia Maru, Shell hits 5, heavy fires PB Sento Maru PB Kinsyo Maru #2 PB Sonan Maru #5 PB Shinko Maru #5, Shell hits 4, on fire PB Santo Maru DMS W-19 Japanese ground losses: 9 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Invasion Support action off Pago Pago - Coastal Guns Fire Back! 56 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Japanese Ships BB Yamashiro CA Aoba, Shell hits 1 DD Yunagi DD Asagiri xAKL Korei Maru, on fire xAKL Tientsin Maru, Shell hits 3, on fire PB Shuko Maru #2, Shell hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage PB Kohuku Maru, Shell hits 2, on fire PB Fukeui Maru #7, Shell hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage PB Chitose Maru DMS W-15 Japanese ground losses: 29 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Pago Pago at 148,161, Range 30,000 Yards Japanese Ships BB Yamashiro CA Aoba DD Asagiri DD Asanagi DD Yunagi DMS W-15 PB Chitose Maru PB Fuji Maru, heavy fires, heavy damage PB Fukeui Maru #7, heavy fires, heavy damage PB Toshi Maru #2, on fire, heavy damage PB Aso Maru #3, heavy fires PB Kohuku Maru, on fire PB Shosei Maru, on fire PB Kyo Maru #12, heavy fires, heavy damage PB Shuko Maru #2, heavy fires, heavy damage SC Ch 13 SC Ch 15, on fire, heavy damage xAK Manko Maru xAK Senko Maru xAK Takao Maru xAK Ikushima Maru xAK Terushima Maru xAK Seian Maru xAK Sydney Maru #2 xAK Koto Maru xAK Tamashima Maru xAK Maya Maru xAK Tokiwa Maru xAK Akagane Maru xAK Bunzan Maru xAK Hirota Maru xAK Kamitu Maru xAK Kasyu Maru xAK Kogane Maru xAK Kohoku Maru xAK Manyo Maru xAK Okuyo Maru xAK Sinko Maru xAK Shirogane Maru xAK Seikyo Maru xAK Shinko Maru xAK Shinkyo Maru xAK Teimei Maru xAK Tenzan Maru xAK Taiko Maru xAK Toyotu Maru xAK Yamadori Maru xAK Yomei Maru xAK Bengal Maru xAK Manzyu Maru xAK Kuwayama Maru xAK Totori Maru xAK Hokumai Maru xAK Tazan Maru xAK Hokutai Maru xAK Sinkyo Maru xAK Koki Maru xAK Kenzan Maru Allied Ships PT-20 PT-59 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Pago Pago at 148,161, Range 27,000 Yards Japanese Ships BB Hiei BB Kirishima DD Nenohi DD Hatsushima Allied Ships PT-20, Shell hits 4, and is sunk PT-59, Shell hits 1, and is sunk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Pago Pago at 148,161 Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed on ground P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed on ground Japanese Ships BB Kirishima BB Hiei Allied ground losses: 54 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 15 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled) Vehicles lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled) Runway hits 11 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Invasion Support action off Pago Pago Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft 20 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Japanese Ships xAKL Biyo Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire CL Kiso PB Sento Maru, Shell hits 2, on fire PB Kinsyo Maru #2, Shell hits 3 PB Sonan Maru #5 PB Santo Maru -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Invasion Support action off Pago Pago Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft 16 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Japanese Ships xAKL Tientsin Maru, Shell hits 2, on fire BB Yamashiro PB Kohuku Maru, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage PB Chitose Maru, Shell hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage SC Ch 13 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Invasion Support action off Pago Pago Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft 11 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Japanese Ships xAKL Hitora Maru CL Kiso xAKL Biyo Maru, Shell hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage PB Kinsyo Maru #2 PB Sonan Maru #5 PB Santo Maru -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Invasion Support action off Pago Pago Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft 16 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Japanese Ships xAKL Tientsin Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire BB Yamashiro xAKL Korei Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire SC Ch 13, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Invasion Support action off Pago Pago Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft 29 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Japanese Ships xAKL Biyo Maru, Shell hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage CL Kiso xAKL Hotsukawa Maru, Shell hits 2, heavy fires PB Sento Maru PB Kinsyo Maru #2, Shell hits 3 PB Sonan Maru #5, Shell hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage PB Santo Maru, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Invasion Support action off Pago Pago Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft 11 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Japanese Ships xAKL Tientsin Maru, Shell hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage BB Yamashiro -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Invasion Support action off Pago Pago Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft 19 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Japanese Ships xAKL Hotsukawa Maru, Shell hits 1, heavy fires CL Kiso xAKL Biyo Maru, Shell hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage PB Sento Maru, Shell hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damagev -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Invasion Support action off Pago Pago Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft 11 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Japanese Ships xAKL Shun Yuan, Shell hits 1 BB Yamashiro xAKL Gyoun Maru -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Invasion Support action off Pago Pago Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft 12 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Japanese Ships xAKL Hotsukawa Maru, on fire, heavy damage CL Kiso xAKL Katsuragisan Maru, Shell hits 1 xAKL Yamayuri Maru, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Invasion Support action off Pago Pago Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft 10 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Japanese Ships xAKL Korei Maru, on fire BB Yamashiro xAKL Shun Yuan, Shell hits 2 xAKL Bunzan Maru, Shell hits 1 That is one hell of an invasion ongoing here. I think he must have 200 transports + supporting ships in those 2 TF's he moved in. There was the additional TF at Savaii beach too. KB didn't take part in this action. I think it is only naval strike mode now since Savaii became operational in terms of an airfield last turn too. Allied troops tried to bombard the enemy here but mediocre results. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Pago Pago (148,161) Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 10921 troops, 209 guns, 97 vehicles, Assault Value = 377 Defending force 45535 troops, 294 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 1472 Japanese ground losses: 356 casualties reported Squads: 6 destroyed, 9 disabled Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 7 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 4 (0 destroyed, 4 disabled) Allied ground losses: 11 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Assaulting units: 132nd Infantry Regiment Samoan Marine Battalion 182nd Infantry Regiment 1st/102nd Infantry Battalion 8th Marine Defense Battalion 811th Engineer Aviation Battalion 30th Aviation Base Force 2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion 46th Construction Regiment 104th USN Base Force 428th Coast AA Battalion 2nd Marine Defense Battalion 110th USA Base Force 43rd Const Rgt /3 Defending units: 52nd Nav Gd /3 4th Div /19 47th Nav Gd /1 42nd Nav Gd /1 65th Bde /2 83rd Nav Gd /2 44th Nav Gd /1 67th Nav Gd /2 62nd Nav Gd /2 46th Nav Gd /1 144th Infantry Rgt /8 41st Nav Gd /1 Maizuru 1st SNLF /1 43rd Nav Gd /1 2nd Indpt SNLF Coy /1 48th Nav Gd /1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Pago Pago (148,161) Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 10946 troops, 209 guns, 97 vehicles, Assault Value = 377 Defending force 45547 troops, 294 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 1482 Japanese ground losses: 325 casualties reported Squads: 6 destroyed, 14 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 14 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled Guns lost 5 (0 destroyed, 5 disabled) Allied ground losses: 28 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled) Assaulting units: 132nd Infantry Regiment Samoan Marine Battalion 182nd Infantry Regiment 1st/102nd Infantry Battalion 2nd Marine Defense Battalion 104th USN Base Force 8th Marine Defense Battalion 428th Coast AA Battalion 110th USA Base Force 46th Construction Regiment 2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion 811th Engineer Aviation Battalion 30th Aviation Base Force 43rd Const Rgt /3 Defending units: 44th Naval Guard Unit 52nd Naval Guard Unit 42nd Naval Guard Unit 4th Division 67th Naval Guard Unit 41st Naval Guard Unit 43rd Naval Guard Unit 65th Brigade 83rd Naval Guard Unit 62nd Naval Guard Unit 144th Infantry Regiment 46th Naval Guard Unit 48th Naval Guard Unit 47th Naval Guard Unit 2nd Indpt SNLF Coy Maizuru 1st SNLF /1 By looking at the above results it is quite clear that he unloaded those 50 000 men in just days time. I base this assumption to the fact that in 2nd bombardment shows no fragments and thus they are completely on the beach too. As said there has to be 200 ships + BB TF and KB taking part on this operation. This leaves me with the following options. a) I will not do anything. I will withdraw my aircrafts into Fijis and let him capture the base. b) I have 2 surface combat TF's maybe 2-3 days off Samoa Islands. So I could ram them in here and hope they achieve something. Most likely KB will shot them to pieces. These are mostly ABDA capital ships. c) Move in my carriers which are past Christmas Island now. I have only those 3 US cv's in separate TF's. This is high risk move and propably mounts to nothing. ..and that is pretty much it. I cannot start landing reinforcements which are already loaded up but he has naval and air superiority over this region. The following are quite obvious after the Pago Pago is done with. a) Fiji becomes an death trap so I might want withdraw my troops into Oz or NZ. This is an big evacuation operation which I believe needs US carrier cover along with ABDA surface combat vessels. b) Abandon Tahiti which is also an deathtrap and move these troops into Christmas Island now since it somewhat pointless to keep any units at forwards positions since japanese don't seem to lack ships nor manpower to advance. It is an absolute blitzkrieg. c) Do something else... which is at the moment complete mystery to me. Basically I think I need gather my forces at Hawaji and Christmas Island. Maybe move some reinforcements into NZ too. Argh. There are no good options at the moment. [image]local://upfiles/15617/8A46FF0B38EF417CBD37CF57E66A28EC.jpg[/image]

aztez -> RE: Japanese advance in china and land at Pago Pago... (10/7/2009 7:35:54 PM)
The world map view in mid april 1942... [image]local://upfiles/15617/AEDA1CD5021943CB872D3F2264F61A04.jpg[/image]

Smeulders -> RE: Japanese advance in china and land at Pago Pago... (10/7/2009 7:52:43 PM)
I wonder what these huge pushes are doing to his fuel stocks and what this commitment of transports is doing to his ability to feed his economy.

Walloc -> RE: Japanese advance in china and land at Pago Pago... (10/7/2009 7:58:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Smeulders I wonder what these huge pushes are doing to his fuel stocks and what this commitment of transports is doing to his ability to feed his economy. It has no importance since u win on points on 1/1/43. Kind regards, Rasmus

aztez -> RE: Japanese advance in china and land at Pago Pago... (10/7/2009 8:08:22 PM)
Smeulders: I wonder the same question. I keep reading how hard it is to keep up the pace but it kind doesn't show up in the game though. I having supply troubles and fuel troubles all over the place. I'am running short on aircrafts too and keep getting my troops bombed daily all over the map. I have tried to fought him and slow him down but at the moment things are looking absolutely horrific. Walloc: True. He will win on points by 1/1/1943 if things don't start turning soon. However we are not playing for points and are in for the long haul. That is how it went last time around too. We could have stopped at 1/1/1944 but kept on going. Now it looks like that I need pack up Christmas Island, Hawaji and NZ with everything I got and wait for the better aircraft, troops etc etc. I hate to do so since I want an active game but how on earth can I compete with the industrial wonders of Japan at the moment. They have troops, ac's and naval assets to keep us from doing pretty much anything. Now I need to think whether to sacrifice those ABDA cruisers or do some kind of an offense here. There really doesn't seem to be much good options left. Most likely thing to do is to evacuate Fijis and let him have it.

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