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kfmiller41 -> Road to Oblivion GC Miller41 (R) vrs Belphigor (G) (12/18/2010 5:33:53 AM)

This is my first attempt at the campaign vs another person. Have played the tutorial and several of the smaller scenarios and decided to learn by doing in the GC. Needless to say I will be asking advice of anyone who thinks they can help the good guys (that's me) beat the bad guys (Germans). This was going to be a German AAR but DicedT decided to play a small scenario with me for practice so I am defending the motherland against Belphigor.

The Germans stormed into the motherland on 22 June and took our forces by complete surprise. First turn losses, especially in the air were severe as first reports show.

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In the Northern sector the Germans have advanced as far as Riga but have not taken the city. They have isolated the better part of my forces west of there and they will most likely be mopped up next turn.

[image]http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv320/miller41/balticturn1.jpg[/image]

In the center it could have been worse, I will pull back from Minsk and try and establish a line farther east.

[image]http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv320/miller41/12-19-201012-01-10AM.png[/image]

In the south i will do a gradual pullback to the Dnepr river and see if i can hold him there, depends on what happens farther north.

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CarnageINC -> RE: Road to Oblivion GC Miller41 (G) vrs DicedT (R) (12/19/2010 3:21:45 AM)

I'm looking forward to seeing a person to person AAR in the GC to see how the first few turns go and the later stages.  Good luck Miller41 [;)]



hgilmer3 -> RE: Road to Oblivion GC Miller41 (G) vrs DicedT (R) (12/19/2010 3:35:14 AM)

Yes, I'm looking forward to this.



kfmiller41 -> RE: Road to Oblivion GC Miller41 (G) vrs DicedT (R) (12/19/2010 5:42:22 AM)

Ok, here is my turn plan, such as it is based on what I have read here and in the manual[:D] Fell free to tell me how wrong I am....

First get whats left of my poor air force into the national reserve to recover and redeploy much farther back.

Second, get all the support units out of the corps HQs and lock them down. If I can I will transfer divisions to army HQ's and get some decent leaders in them but that will take time. Along with this I will try and get all units close to their HQ's to keep some supply and command and control going.

Third is to get some kind of defense line established. I plan on sending many of my reserve units (once they have gotten some strength) to the north to protect Leningrad. The plan is to defend hardest up north (when the terrain is better for me), hard in the center and least in the south, where I have more room to lose.The German player I think will not try and advance to far in the south and go for the easiest objective, Leningrad.

I will evacuate factories in the closest cities right away to the maximum extent that I can.




ComradeP -> RE: Road to Oblivion GC Miller41 (G) vrs DicedT (R) (12/19/2010 5:17:11 PM)

Try to form a checkerboard first, forming a line will mean a lot of your units are going to die after being encircled.

I'm guessing you have played your turn by now, but still.

In the north, you should be able to restore supply and isolate at least 3 mobile divisions something like this, with the X marking a spot where a divisional formation should be placed if possible:

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ComradeP -> RE: Road to Oblivion GC Miller41 (G) vrs DicedT (R) (12/19/2010 5:23:19 PM)

In the center something like this (red and green arrows in the central part represent two ways that might restore supply):

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The pocket in the northwest part of the Kiev M.D./Southwest front screenshot can be broken by simply moving one Rifle division one hex to the east.

Oh, and good luck!



Tophat1815 -> RE: Road to Oblivion GC Miller41 (G) vrs DicedT (R) (12/19/2010 6:00:30 PM)

Good Luck Miller41!  



kfmiller41 -> RE: Road to Oblivion GC Miller41 (R) vrs Belphigor (G) (12/19/2010 9:23:13 PM)

Losses are severe after turn 2, averaging near 300,000 a week.

[image]http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv320/miller41/turn2lossesgrnd.png[/image][image]http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv320/miller41/turn2airlosses.png[/image]


Here is the overall situation

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kfmiller41 -> RE: Road to Oblivion GC Miller41 (R) vrs Belphigor (G) (12/19/2010 9:28:53 PM)

Situation up north is bad, have very few troops and can only hope he has to form up before he advances.

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CarnageINC -> RE: Road to Oblivion GC Miller41 (R) vrs Belphigor (G) (12/19/2010 9:29:32 PM)

Looks like his panzer are driving deep, should be out of fuel soon and if he was to greedy, might of left himself open to encirclement.  Stalin must hope so [:D]



kfmiller41 -> RE: Road to Oblivion GC Miller41 (R) vrs Belphigor (G) (12/19/2010 10:36:58 PM)

Situation near Smolensk, depending on his fuel situation he could drive either way. Encircled units tried to disrupt his lines of supply. Notice the checkerboard I am trying to form. Also disbanding the corps when I can, they are such a pain. Don't have enough armies yet though.

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kfmiller41 -> RE: Road to Oblivion GC Miller41 (R) vrs Belphigor (G) (12/20/2010 12:24:44 AM)

here is the situation down south. A large pocket was mostly formed but i have an exit that I have expanded slightly. Even if I dont escape I have opened up supply so units can fight another week and tie down the germans.



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kfmiller41 -> RE: Road to Oblivion GC Miller41 (R) vrs Belphigor (G) (12/20/2010 12:25:56 AM)

And of course odessa, moving back from the front line and expecting to lose the town later, but will try and hold it.

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CarnageINC -> RE: Road to Oblivion GC Miller41 (R) vrs Belphigor (G) (12/20/2010 7:26:20 AM)

How are you planning to displace back in broad open spaces?  Pull back a couple hexes at a time or just fall back to the next river.  I have yet to play the Soviets so I have no clue on their defensive capabilities.  From the AI though, there damn good. [:D]



kfmiller41 -> RE: Road to Oblivion GC Miller41 (R) vrs Belphigor (G) (12/20/2010 10:31:22 PM)

Well I am planning on stepping back a few hexes at a time and using the honeycomb defense where your alternating hexes so the Germans can't break thru and surround whole batches of divisions. Seems to be the best way I have seen but it depends on how aggressive the opponent is. Will be looking at the next turn soon and I will post some screens, just got home.



kfmiller41 -> RE: Road to Oblivion GC Miller41 (R) vrs Belphigor (G) (12/22/2010 12:50:59 AM)

Turn 3 losses were heavy but hie advance slowed as opposition got more tenacious. In the south I was unable to pull the troops back fast enough (lesson learned there) and I will probably lose more divisions. Am going to try and keep some supplied to tie down the Germans as long as I can.



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kfmiller41 -> RE: Road to Oblivion GC Miller41 (R) vrs Belphigor (G) (12/22/2010 12:53:24 AM)

trying to give an overall picture of the front, will have a new program to do this soon. Not to bad for a first effort[:D] Better than my play anyway



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Tophat1815 -> RE: Road to Oblivion GC Miller41 (R) vrs Belphigor (G) (12/22/2010 1:09:47 AM)

Are you making any attacks on the Germans? I tried one,it was ravaged by the Luftwaffe and ripped-up by the ground troops as well. new Policy,my mediocre morale boys will wait until the first snow. Until then he's gotta dig our Bolshevik butts outa our holes.

Trying to use rivers,lousy tank country and forts to slow him up and hurt the precious panzers. I have a linear defense which i am sure is the worst thing I could do,but there are reserves behind the lines and armour corps at that. Need more riflemen at the front.
By the way,i like the layered defense you are doing! Good Luck!



kfmiller41 -> RE: Road to Oblivion GC Miller41 (R) vrs Belphigor (G) (12/22/2010 1:27:43 AM)

No tophat, the only aggressive moves I am making is trying to keep pockets open to delay him. Actual attacks are just not worth it unless he does something really dumb, which has not happened. I do think about it alot though[:D]



randallw -> RE: Road to Oblivion GC Miller41 (R) vrs Belphigor (G) (12/22/2010 3:24:33 AM)

The area south of the marshes, you can make multiple defense lines between the Goryn and Dnepr rivers; you won't get outflanked by a massive attack from the marshes, and the German's buddies down south won't rip through anything less than a modest defense.

Those airborne units won't come back to life on their own so be carefull about them dying.

The NKVD border regiments are just light infantry; against a division they'll just get hit by the division's artillery before having to retreat.  There's no real gain having them try to defend.  You may just want to disband them as soon as you can.



Tophat1815 -> RE: Road to Oblivion GC Miller41 (R) vrs Belphigor (G) (12/22/2010 3:46:48 AM)

Think i had an NKVD rgt actually put up a fight in a fort hex...hmmmn I'll let you know how well they do for me this turn.



kfmiller41 -> RE: Road to Oblivion GC Miller41 (R) vrs Belphigor (G) (12/22/2010 3:49:36 AM)

Only reason I dont disband them is they do look like real units if the recon isn't good, and there is no guarantee that it is in a human game. Besides, any speed bump looks good at the moment:-)



kfmiller41 -> RE: Road to Oblivion GC Miller41 (R) vrs Belphigor (G) (12/23/2010 2:03:53 AM)

Situation Report 7/10/41

Losses Germans Russians

Men 76787 846221
Guns 761 11656
AFV 425 5846
Air 522 4930

Northern Front
Finland attacked this week and have made small penetrations in my lines. I plan to fall back to the no cross line now and concentrate on the Germans approaching from the west. The Baltic states are all gone.
Spotted a panzer unit across the Narva, which is ominous as my troops are still thin in the area

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kfmiller41 -> RE: Road to Oblivion GC Miller41 (R) vrs Belphigor (G) (12/23/2010 2:15:19 AM)

Central Front Report:

Vitebsk has not fallen but german spearheads have passed by to the south as there isn't much behind them to the north. My forces are holding the Dnepr so far and I will fight for the river line to delay for another week. Mogilev is also holding but i will abandon it this turn. I have Vatutin and the 20th Army defending the Smolensk area and forces coming from the moscow area to back them up. Hoping to delay delay delay[:D] I expect him to cross the Dnepr south of Smolensk as my forces are spear thinner there. It all depends on where he wants to go.



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kfmiller41 -> RE: Road to Oblivion GC Miller41 (R) vrs Belphigor (G) (12/23/2010 2:18:39 AM)

Southern Front report:

This is where the blood is really flowing. Lost alot of troops that turn and will lose three more pockets this turn. Good news is i got supplies in to some and they fought that turn, which delayed my opponent for a week. I have a good line forming near Kiev and I hope to be dug in when he gets there. Odessa front is digging in as well but I will fall back rather than be surrounded there.



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kfmiller41 -> RE: Road to Oblivion GC Miller41 (R) vrs Belphigor (G) (12/25/2010 5:06:34 AM)

well here we are again comrade Stalin. Loses for early July are in and they severe.



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kfmiller41 -> RE: Road to Oblivion GC Miller41 (R) vrs Belphigor (G) (12/25/2010 6:03:07 AM)

Latest news from Northern Army Group has Finnish forces breaking thru our lines at multiple points and our forces slowly falling back towards the south. General Meretskov's forces have scored 10 victories vs only 3 defeats so his troops are fighting very well indeed.

South of Leningrad there are reports of German troops across the Narva river. This is most distressing as the retreating troops have reported numerous tanks among the attacking troops. 27th Army (Gen Berzarin) has 5 inf divs to contain the Germans and 28th Army will become active this turn and rushed to the front with at least 6 divisions to help fight the Germans to a standstill. 30th Army (Rokossovsky) 4 inf, 2 Cav Divs 28th Army (Malinovsky)6 Divs, 3 Brigs and 27th Army (Berzarin) 9 inf Divs and 1 Mot Div are whats available. Everthing else is either forming or refitting.



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kfmiller41 -> RE: Road to Oblivion GC Miller41 (R) vrs Belphigor (G) (12/25/2010 7:22:07 AM)

In the Smolensk area he didn't press as far as I thought he would. Shown in the screen is my deployment after most of my moves. I did adjust a little near Mogilev after the screen shot but most is what you see. Some of the Divisions are unready but it can't be helped. Hope someone is reading this[:D] If not at least I can practice my screen shot drawing skills.

As you can see I am forming armies and trying to put decent commanders in charge. A bunch of my corps just vanished last turn so all of a sudden I am short HQ's[&o] Go figure!

[image]local://upfiles/8844/A49755C72A224BA3921D6230C847C41E.jpg[/image] go figure.



randallw -> RE: Road to Oblivion GC Miller41 (R) vrs Belphigor (G) (12/25/2010 7:52:10 AM)

You've certainly got some trouble on your hands.  That concentration of 5 panzer and 3 motor divs near Smolensk will be trouble.

I see you are trying the checkerboard deployment; for that terrain it may not be the best, as it's left some rifle divs trying to dig in out in the open instead of light woods.



kfmiller41 -> RE: Road to Oblivion GC Miller41 (R) vrs Belphigor (G) (12/25/2010 8:11:59 AM)

South of the swamp I am in a running battle with the Germans, 3 pocket that all will maintain supply for another turn although they may die fighting. It has delayed him and although my losses were high i have had time to dig in at Kiev and the river line is shoring up well. Have some armored divisions that have some punch so I hope to fight him hard there. Army Strengths are as follows:

10th (Golubav) 1 Tank, 1 Mot, 6 Inf, 1 AT Brig Defending Zhitomir area.
26th (Kostenko) 2 Tank, 1 Mot, 3 Inf, 1 AT Art Brig. Defending Kiev
12th (Ponedelin) 2 Tank, 1 Mot, 1 AT Art Brig. North and south of Kiev
21st (Efremov) 3 Tank, 1 Mot, 3 Inf, 1 Cav. River North of Kiev
19th (Boldin) 4 Inf, 34 Rifle Corps (3 Inf Div)River south to north of Cherkassy
6th (Muzychenko) 3 inf. Cherkassy
35th Rifle Corps (Dashichev)2 inf Screen Cherkassy
18th (Smirnov) 3 inf, 1 NKDV Reg. Screen Kirovograd


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