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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (1/31/2014 11:55:33 PM)

Here's the strategic situation in T10:

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/1/2014 4:45:09 AM)

Here's T12's situation in the East. I'm doing arty strikes because there are AA units in the stacks and I don't want to hit them from the
air in that case. Arty is working just fine, just slower.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/1/2014 7:46:08 AM)

Still trying to sack Messina in T14. I think I'm getting close now. It's going to fall soon.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/1/2014 8:17:30 AM)

It's T16 and I still don't have Messina. I keep eliminating all but a tiny bit of the enemy in Messina and Elmer keeps sailing more and more
units into Messina. They sail in, move to the front, die and are carried away by others. And still they come. It's either fight them here
on the mainland. I'd rather fight them on the mainland.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/1/2014 12:13:06 PM)

OK. Finally in T17 I captured Messina. And now at the beginning of T18 I see this screen. It mentions that the 9th US Div is going to
withdraw in 2 turns but I'm pretty sure there is no 9th Division in play. I couldn't find it in the OOB. Somebody might want to look at that.

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FrankieITA -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/1/2014 12:35:07 PM)

9th US Division comes to the scenario when you conquer Palermo. It's actually scheduled for deployement before you can actually control the pop-up point, therefore it keeps getting procrastined till you get there. It's the same for other forces late during the scenario, so be sure to always check the pop-up location.



larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/1/2014 12:35:44 PM)

Here's the Western end of the island and I'm in mop up operations, sweeping up all the remnants. Most of them are surrendering
rather than fight. But they have to pretend like they are defending so they shoot a few rounds and throw down their rifles and raise
their hands. It's slow and tedius but somebody has to do it.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/1/2014 12:47:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: frankieITA
9th US Division comes to the scenario when you conquer Palermo. It's actually scheduled for deployement before you can actually control the pop-up point, therefore it keeps getting procrastined till you get there. It's the same for other forces late during the scenario, so be sure to always check the pop-up location.

Oh. OK. That explains a lot. Thank you frankieITA dude. I was wondering about that. Also, in T18 I struck some Axis planes on the
mainland w/ my arty in Messina and it evaporated. and now in T19 I'm seeing a news item about me invading the mainland. I haven't
yet. so Hm.......

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/1/2014 1:10:09 PM)

OK. It's T19 and I've been moving units and NOW I've invaded the mainland. I've gotten just enough units ashore to hold it for a turn
or two but they are going to need some back up soon because the Germans are going to react.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/1/2014 1:53:14 PM)

I hammered the Axis unit(s) at Reggio w/ my arty for a couple of combat rounds and then T19 ended and here it is T20 and I'm finally
assaulting the hex. I expect it to fall easily now. I landed some more units further north and now I need to connect the two so there will
be supply at the new site.

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Zovs -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/1/2014 2:22:45 PM)

Larry in my AAR or my game, I had no enemy units left on Sicily on T19. It did take me till turn 18 to get Messina, but I had previously wiped out all the units on the western end of the Island.

Does Italy surrender as soon as you land on mainland Italy? If so all I got in port is the Canadian Armor Brigade so I may just land and see what happens ... lol.



larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/1/2014 3:02:37 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: dlazov66
Larry in my AAR or my game, I had no enemy units left on Sicily on T19. It did take me till turn 18 to get Messina, but I had previously wiped out all the units on the western end of the Island.

You did good. That's about right as I see it. The actual positions that the Allies have at the beginning of T1 aren't the best and
the Germans have all kinds of units nearby to hassle the Allies. It's exciting at the beginning.

quote:

ORIGINAL: dlazov66
Does Italy surrender as soon as you land on mainland Italy?

I think it's supposed to. I did an arty strike on some German units on the mainland from Messina, Sicily and the next turn I got a news
string that I have invaded the mainland. So you know as much about it as I do.

quote:

ORIGINAL: dlazov66
If so all I got in port is the Canadian Armor Brigade so I may just land and see what happens ... lol.

You might want to do a save game just before you do. The Germans might just react to your landing. Also, look up a good place
to land by looking for supply points and the hexes that your expected reinforcements will spawn in. Good hunting.



larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/1/2014 3:11:22 PM)

I did some more landings just north of San Marco. I'm thinking I can connect that new area w/ the old one before the new one runs out
of supply(s). I'm looking at Taranto also. It's about time for that area to be mine.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/1/2014 3:31:52 PM)

It T23 and I landed some paratroopers at Taranto and captured the supply point and the port and even grabbed an airfield.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/1/2014 3:51:09 PM)

A partisan spawned in Rome itself so I used it to bust some bridges. Elmer will probably fix them.

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Zovs -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/1/2014 4:46:01 PM)

Larry thanks for the tips:

quote:

. Also, look up a good place
to land by looking for supply points and the hexes that your expected reinforcements will spawn in. Good hunting.


Its been a long while since I have done any landings, is it just at ports or can I land at beaches I forgot.

Thanks, you are inspiring and this is a freaking blast to play for some reason...



larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/1/2014 8:34:37 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: dlazov66
Larry thanks for the tips:

quote:

. Also, look up a good place
to land by looking for supply points and the hexes that your expected reinforcements will spawn in. Good hunting.


Its been a long while since I have done any landings, is it just at ports or can I land at beaches I forgot.

Thanks, you are inspiring and this is a freaking blast to play for some reason...

Um....I've been landing at ports for the most part. I haven't been able to find any invasion "beaches" and speaking about beaches
you are aware of the trick about landing at non-port hexes right: move to the spot where you want to walk ashore and stop there then
the NEXT turn unembark and just walk ashore. I've been doing that at cities that I own, to simulate landing at ports that have just a
simple pier and lighters to unload ships.

And Yes, it's a blast to play this thing. This is my fourth time through the scenario and I'm beginning to learn where to go and what to
do and it's getting easier to play this thing. The map is beautiful and the scenario is really fun to play.



larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/1/2014 8:46:18 PM)

Here's the strategic situation in T24:

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/1/2014 9:38:44 PM)

I had a meeting engagement w/ a German mechanized formation and even w/ all kinds of Rifle squads and tanks my air power saved the
day yet again. This is how much air power is really helping.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/1/2014 10:18:50 PM)

I dropped some paratroopers NW of Taranto. I didn't split up the unit into three's like I should have and I dropped in the blind which
argues that small units are better for drops in the blind but I did the lazy risky thing and dropped the whole unit and I lucked out this time
because there was a German unit nearby and if it had been one hex closer to my origin then there might have been a disaster where
the whole unit evaporates. Which is why it is a better idea to split the unit and send the smaller one first.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/1/2014 10:43:42 PM)

OK. I'm at a decision point and I thought I might as well solicit your input on this one. I have the 505th of the 82nd and I've thought to
maybe drop it somewhere where it will turn the war around and really accelerate progress. I thought maybe I could drop it in such a
way as to help cut off the supply to the German units on the road north. I have proposed drop zones Able and Baker and I'm wondering
which one would be best. Able has the advantage that after the drop we could destroy one or more bridges and then move into the
mountain hexes for better defensive positions. There to await rescue by the ground forces which could be a dozen turns or more.

Or at drop zone Baker where the advantage is the mountainous terrain and much closer to friendly lines. The bad news is that the two
German units there in that semistack is only 2 of the six that constitutes the formation so there's at least 4 more German units that aren't
visible to me yet.

All things considered it might be best to drop bridges using the bombers and forget about this risky dangerous dropping of troops
behind enemy lines. For now.

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sPzAbt653 -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/1/2014 11:05:50 PM)

quote:

... now in T19 I'm seeing a news item about me invading the mainland. I haven't
yet. so Hm.......


I checked the events and it really looks like you have to 'occupy' a hex on the mainland, as opposed to 'attacking' a hex on the mainland. There are possible events for both, but I don't see any 'attacks' events in the event list. So I think you must have a unit somewhere on the mainland for this to happen, or somehow converted a hex at least. It wouldn't be tiggered by partisans as they are not triggered until the mainland is invaded. If you have a save from turn 18 or 19 I can take a look and see if I can figure it out.



larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/2/2014 12:11:05 AM)

Here's T19's save file. just take the dot txt off the end and you have your sal file.



larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/2/2014 12:35:24 AM)

So this is what Taranto looks like now. I'm pushing north along the East coast and I'm intending to drop paratroopers along the edge
where there's an airbase and then connect up locations w/ the land combat troops. Maybe it'll go faster that way.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/2/2014 12:45:59 AM)

@Steve: I've been thinking about that "Allies invade the mainland...." thingie. Maybe it's that partisan unit that spawns in Rome?

EDIT: Here's what it looks like on the West coast now. Just a skeleton force and some fresh troops are marching north and the
tired ones are headed south to the nearest port to be sailed to a port w/ lots of supply to refit. Then back into the fray.

I think I've decided to split the peninsula in the middle and put the British stuff on the East side and the American stuff on the West
side and see how that works out. There won't be any British arty trying to defend American troops etc. That doesn't work all that
well. I'd rather see British arty helping British troops and so on w/ the Americans. I wonder how many troops of each nation there
are in the scenario so far. And how much arty do the mutual sides possess? Enquiring minds want to know.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/2/2014 1:30:33 AM)

I guess it's a good idea to clear Sardinia and Corsica because on the latter we spotted a German unit. It's got two lines for the unit
designation so I'm guessing it's a company or a platoon or something small. I can probably take care of it w/o any arty this time.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/2/2014 1:49:30 AM)

Here's the strategic situation in T27. I'm advancing w/ the British along the East edge and I intend to turn SW at Foggia so as to run
almost horizontally across the peninsula and trap all the German units in the mountainous middle to be mopped up later. That's the
theory.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/2/2014 2:25:18 AM)

Here's what the West coast looks like now. There's more boots on the ground and most all of them are fresh and ready for combat and
they are moving to surround that German group if they can. The 504th of the 82nd was dropped in DZ Able and has the mission to
hold that position pending German reaction. They may have to make their way to the east to get out of trouble. There's troops headed
their way. They just have to hold for another 6 turns or so.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/2/2014 3:55:04 AM)

Here's the front lines in T29:

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/2/2014 11:14:17 AM)

Here's the West side in T30. I've dropped some paratroopers ( 82nd ) to the north of the front lines and their mission is to block the
enemy units from advancing from the north. They are just a light screen and aren't to get seriously engaged in combat. They might
need to hold for about 6 turns or so. It'll take at least that long to get some ground troops up there to their positions.

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