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sPzAbt653 -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/2/2014 11:21:30 AM)

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I've been thinking about that "Allies invade the mainland...." thingie. Maybe it's that partisan unit that spawns in Rome?


Good guess, but not as far as I can tell by looking at the events. I hate to give too much away, but ... the Italians will only surrender if the Allies Invade where they reasonably should. In other words, there is no Italian Surrender tied to occupation of Rome or its immediate environs. I think its an anit-paratroop thing (dropping a unit on the mainland on turn 3 won't make the Italians Surrender, get it ?).



larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/2/2014 11:35:14 AM)

The East edge is seeing British units moving north at a slow but steady pace. Everybody is trying to maintain about 60% supplies and
60% readiness. Those that aren't are rested.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/2/2014 12:11:48 PM)

I failed to clear the terrain completely and some German units have wandered into my base camps and is nosing around. I've moved
a unit into the base to try to hold it plus some arty and there's planes there too. They ought to be able to hold it until I can get a fresh
unit there to dispatch the Germans.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/2/2014 12:35:54 PM)

OK. The East side is starting to get into the single-digit supply levels and that means that they have to start thinking about moving
horizontally and mostly to the west. The rail is advancing and it will only take five or six turns to get the supply levels higher, high
enough to conduct operations again.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/2/2014 12:46:31 PM)

There's been an unfortunate thing happen just now. I intended to drop some paratroops on a bridge over a river so they could grab it
and hold it until the ground column got there and relieved them of their mission. Well, they dropped adjacent to several German
mechanized units. And of course they split up when they landed so they aren't in the best combat posture. I'm pretty sure they are
going to be chewed up and spit out by the Germans. D'oh.

EDIT: It was important to grab the bridge because Elmer might try to break it and (1) engineers are prescious few and (2) all the
engineers are busy repairing rail and can't be bothered. So to speak.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/2/2014 12:56:34 PM)

The West side is deep in the single-digit areas ( supply-wise ) and it's looking like we've bit off more than we can chew here. Those
paratroopers are having a hard time because of the German arty. I need to see if I can get some arty up there to them and maybe
do some counterbattery stuff.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/2/2014 1:05:43 PM)

So um.....I have a rule of thumb that I follow that says that you don't put your HQ units on the front lines. And that's because they
sometimes contain either command groups ( officers ) or support squads or both and you don't want to lose those. Those things
are important. So here we have a case of an HQ unit that doesn't have any of either so there's no need to exclude it from the front
lines. It's got some good equipment in there that can support defense and I'm thinking I need it on the line right about now.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/2/2014 1:11:24 PM)

And for those of you that are still unconvinced that the HQ unit should go on the front lines allow me to direct your attention to the M9
Bazooka equipment contained in the HQ unit. It's got an AT value of 14 which is higher than a Stuka so I'm pretty sure it will come in
handy to have if the Germans start attacking again.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/2/2014 1:17:30 PM)

I began to doubt the wisdom of having some paratroopers on the front lines next. I wondered how long they might be able to hold the
line there w/ what they are confronted w/ ( mechanized ) so I took a look at one of the regiments and the next and the third and it seems
that they are all similar to this one. It's got bou cou bazookas and pack arty and some AT guns so I'm thinking they might be able to
give a good account of themselves and unless the opposition got any rougher they might be able to hold there for a turn or two. But not
much longer than that I should imagine.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/2/2014 1:27:00 PM)

Here's the newest situation on the West side. I need to get some regular combat troops up to the positions of the paratroopers and
there's some really rough terrain on the way to get there creating a bottleneck that I could really do without so I'm thinking that my
next goal should be to see if I can't push those two German units back a little to give me room to move some units through that narrow
path and onto the road north. I've been shuttling units north and south to refuel them or else they wouldn't be able to be here at all. So
this will mean another trip south for some of the attacking units because they aren't in the best of health as it is. Attacking will push them
under 50% supply and then it'll be time to send them south. I'm hoping I don't run out of fresh units too quickly. Those paratroopers
really need the help and this is important.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/2/2014 1:37:01 PM)

I was going to move some AT guns up behind a German unit threatening one of my bases and wouldn't you know it.....I discovered
another whole German unit, this one is an HQ unit and it's got arty probably. I'm going to need some back up it seems.

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Petey -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/2/2014 4:21:58 PM)

Larry:

I'd like to take a shot at this scenario. A few weeks ago you sent me a copy. Is that the latest version or do you have a later one.

Thanks,

P



larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/3/2014 3:51:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Petey
Larry:
I'd like to take a shot at this scenario. A few weeks ago you sent me a copy. Is that the latest version or do you have a later one.
Thanks,
P

Here you go Petey dude. This is a copy of the lastest I got from Steve. Lemme know how you do.



Petey -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/5/2014 2:38:21 PM)

Ok, I've played through the first 10 turns and have enjoyed the game. I'm going to restart because I don't like the way I've played so far.

A couple of comments.

The half-week turns is a little bit to fast. I enjoyed the slower pace of the 1 day turns. That said, there was no way I'd ever play 600+ turns. Given the game engine is either 1 day or half-week turns half-week is the better compromise.

I'd prefer if the Italian units were left in yellow (color). They were more distinguishable from the Germans.

I'll restart in the next day or two.



larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/5/2014 2:48:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Petey
Ok, I've played through the first 10 turns and have enjoyed the game.

I know, it's addictive in a way. I like the tactical "feel" it has. I'm beginning to be able to read a map again.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Petey
I'm going to restart because I don't like the way I've played so far.

I do that same thing. Practice makes perfect. Well, practice makes good enough.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Petey
The half-week turns is a little bit too fast. I enjoyed the slower pace of the 1 day turns. That said, there was no way I'd ever play 600+ turns. Given the game engine is either 1 day or half-week turns half-week is the better compromise.

I don't know why but I prefered the 1 day turns too. But really, I didn't notice a difference in my gameplay either way.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Petey
I'd prefer if the Italian units were left in yellow (color). They were more distinguishable from the Germans.

I hadn't noticed that the Italians were yellow. Shows what I know.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Petey
I'll restart in the next day or two.

Ok then. Pictures, we want to see pictures. Maybe not a full-fledged AAR but a picture would be nice. And good hunting.



larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/8/2014 12:24:39 AM)

Hey you guys. I'm getting older and more senile and for some reason when I did a load-a-saved-game just
now TOAW didn't like my T32 saved game. This version of TOAW can't load this scenario. So I had to
drop back to T31 which did load w/o any problems. So I'll do T31 again and continue onward.



larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/8/2014 12:34:54 AM)

Have I shown you the strategic situation lately? Here's the T32 front lines.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/8/2014 12:41:48 AM)

Here's the T32 saved game file for those of you who want to download the situation and take an indepth look around. Just rename
the file w/o the dot txt on the end of the name and you have your sal file.



larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/8/2014 1:24:10 AM)

Here's what I'm doing on the West side now-a-days.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/8/2014 6:30:27 AM)

Here's the T33 East side view now. The Germans have reacted to my incursion by forming a rudimentary front line between me and
Foggia. This may take about a dozen turns to get past these guys. I'm sending units to the West to convert hexes and take up
blocking positions. It's about time to turn west anyway. The supply rail is getting closer to the action and the supply level is rising. It's
looking pretty good actually.

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sPzAbt653 -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/8/2014 8:32:59 AM)

I'm partially impressed with what Elmer is doing there. Do you have a save file from turn 33 that you could send me ? I'd love to look at Elmers' full situation.



larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/8/2014 11:06:14 AM)

T33's save file is racing through the wires to your inbox even as we speak. It's probably already there.



larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/8/2014 11:58:33 AM)

Here's the West side now. I'm skirting around the bottom of the line and swinging around behind the Germans and they are backing
up and I'm slowly displacing them. It's just a matter of time before they will be destroyed I'm guessing.

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Zovs -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/8/2014 12:51:06 PM)

Hello I took a small break as I work out some things in my life this last week. I was up to turn 22 last week.

Personally I like the new colors of the Italians but that is me.



larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/8/2014 12:55:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: dlazov66
Hello I took a small break as I work out some things in my life this last week. I was up to turn 22 last week.

Personally I like the new colors of the Italians but that is me.

Everybody needs a small break every once in a while.
You're up to T22? How is it going? Pictures, I want to see pictures.



larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/8/2014 10:24:41 PM)

This is the T35's view of the East side now. I'm thinking about outflanking the Germans rather than try to power my way through their
front line there. I'm thinking I might be able to use the road(s) further to the west to sneak up on Foggia and get in behind the German
defenders at the same time. Save some of my troops and equipment for the expenditure of the passage of time. Good trade. I'm in no
hurry to win this thing. Besides I need the recon of Foggia for my air power to be unleashed on the units there. I'm not aware of where
I am in the historical timeline. I assume I'm behind schedule.

Which brings up another subject. I've been asked to contribute to the TOAW playtesting team by taking part in a PBEM test of the
ignore-losses problem. We think we've fixed it and we want to test it to prove we did. So I'll be posting stuff a little bit slower than you've
been reading so far. Thanks for keeping up and reading this far. I'm going to post more and keep going on this game. I'll just be doing
official playtesting in the background as well.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/9/2014 8:58:32 PM)

Here's the situation on the West side now. I haven't moved anybody yet so expect changes.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/10/2014 8:17:38 AM)

Here's what the West side looks like now that I've moved everybody. I have a semi-clear shot to Paestum where there's another
German stack waiting for me probably.

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larryfulkerson -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/10/2014 3:45:18 PM)

I've been pushing and shoving and attacking and here in T38 I'm getting closer to Paestum and the supply point all the time. I
replaced the paratroopers on the front line w/ regular troops and I'm moving them to an airfield to refit.Everybody is employed and
busy and there's no strategic reserve. The rail line is up to the front lines on the East side and I'm starting to push on the East side
too.

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Petey -> RE: Sicily to Brenner Pass Revised (2/10/2014 4:49:06 PM)

Wow, I'm at turn 31 and I've just captured naples and I thought I was going slow. I took Naples to unstop my Salerno invasion.

Maybe I'm going too reckless and I'm in for a fall. I'll try to post a screen shot later today.



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