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obvert -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/19/2017 5:01:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon I think you'll be fine. Those early DD losses will hurt Lowpe and that may influence his task force compositions moving forward. Perhaps some future invasion task forces will be under escorted and provide you plenty of opportunities to interdict. I think the losses you've sustained are worth it. You've already started the attrition of the Japanese surface forces far sooner than I'm sure Lowpe would like. Thanks Joe. I hope you're right. A lot of DD have been sunk, and that will hurt. I hope too that the need to add supply to fix more damaged oil could reduce options for both next level plans and delay R & D spending. We'll see!

obvert -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/19/2017 5:03:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna quote: ORIGINAL: obvert quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna The ship names displayed in animations and combat reports are always, always, always 100% accurate. Whether that torpedo did any damage is another matter [;)]. What damage messages did you see? No messages. Just a hit. No extras. [:(] I'd be surprised if she even needed yard time, then. Typically those kinds of hits on BBs result in a couple points of System and maybe a point or two of major flooding, and a handful of minor flooding (maybe). She did take two earlier, so I'm hoping she needs some yard time!! I've got a good 10 subs in the area and vectoring in, so hopefully I can tell a bit by how fast she moves and where, and get them in to try for another 1-2. [:)]

obvert -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/19/2017 5:05:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna quote: ORIGINAL: obvert quote: ORIGINAL: paullus99 I haven't been following too closely, but it appears that you're going all out to try to cripple the IJN surface force right off the bat? I guess, based on what you know you've got for mid-war reinforcements, you're not all that concerned with your own losses, correct? Very interesting gameplay. Well, I had a plan to use the Kbs known position at PH for a week to move the USN CVs to raid Cent Pac and then on to the DEI to hit oil and delay some invasions. It turned bigger than that when he stayed longer than expected. I extracted the USN from PH and ran everything West. It was going well until I made a poor choice to roll the dice and stay one extra day in the Macassar straits in the hope of extracting the PoW and hitting his injured ships at Balikpapan. i didn't spot several TFs arriving, and got caught. A week later and two CVs under. [:(] Still battling though, and although that is a massive negative, about 100 points of oil has been taken off, numerous IJN ships severely damaged or sunk (for a larger tithe of Allied ships unfortunately), but we're still fighting here and hopefully delaying next level moves in several ways. It's been fun, and I've learned a ton. I'm not cavalier about the Allied forces and obvious advantage of massive later replacements, but think the value of the goal here is more important than a late 42 goal of moving forward in the Pacific. Honestly, it may be a net benefit to you as you'll be less prone to succumbing to unnecessary risks until you get the Essexes [;)]. It's true I won't be tempted to fight he KB directly until late 43 now! As in my previous Allied game it's going to be scrappy and lots of little harassing moves for a while.

Encircled -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/19/2017 8:37:38 AM)
quote: It's true I won't be tempted to fight he KB directly until late 43 now! As in my previous Allied game it's going to be scrappy and lots of little harassing moves for a while. Yup, much more sensible. I was doing really well in my current game till Nov '42 when I hung around an invasion when I should have gone. 4 CVs, 1 Modern BB, 1 Old BB down later and I'm back to harassing attacks for a while!

Anachro -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/19/2017 10:22:46 PM)
I hate the "don't fight until '43" mindset, but in this case it is warranted. Fabian tactics.

Lokasenna -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/19/2017 10:40:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Anachro I hate the "don't fight until '43" mindset, but in this case it is warranted. Fabian tactics. It's not don't fight so much as "don't do anything stupid."

obvert -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/20/2017 7:34:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna quote: ORIGINAL: Anachro I hate the "don't fight until '43" mindset, but in this case it is warranted. Fabian tactics. It's not don't fight so much as "don't do anything stupid." Or more like, "don't do anything else stupid."

Bif1961 -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/20/2017 9:50:59 PM)
If you know where the KB is day to day and not a week or more ago you can hunt the Mini-KB and sink it. Then he has to split the KB until he gets new CVLs and the Converted liners as Medium CVs to form the new mini-k. It slows his operations or puts one or the other at risk. If you try to ambush the mini-KB and guess wrong you will be treading water until the Essexs show up in force.

Chickenboy -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (6/1/2017 2:17:28 PM)
Haven't been following this AAR since its opening day moves. I'm looking to get hold of Obvert. He hasn't posted since 5/20 (in this AAR) and hasn't responded to a PM sent on 5/23. Does anyone here have any additional information about his status?

witpqs -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (6/1/2017 2:36:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy Haven't been following this AAR since its opening day moves. I'm looking to get hold of Obvert. He hasn't posted since 5/20 (in this AAR) and hasn't responded to a PM sent on 5/23. Does anyone here have any additional information about his status? No. [:(]

obvert -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (6/1/2017 8:01:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy Haven't been following this AAR since its opening day moves. I'm looking to get hold of Obvert. He hasn't posted since 5/20 (in this AAR) and hasn't responded to a PM sent on 5/23. Does anyone here have any additional information about his status? Has it been that long? Wow. It's been a bit of a blur. This is the busy time for a teacher or art. We had the Advanced Placement Exhibit last week and the Film Festival this week, both of which I was in charge of managing. So in addition to dad duties I've just had to drop the forum in favour of keeping some pace i noted games. I'll be posting more starting tomorrow again. I have to catch up on some interesting things! I'll get to your PM tonight though Andre. No worries! [:)]

obvert -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (6/2/2017 7:56:46 PM)
Jan 9, 1942 SUBS: Back to the war. Subs can't find Yamashiro but will post on the approaches to Hong Kong and the straits back toward the HI. Three fish in her belly should make her slow and vulnerable. The other Allied subs now congregate around the KB. a few torps let loose at what is most probably the KB screen, with CL Abukuma the target today. No hits. Soerabaja still provides fuel and munitions. DEI: Feeling out what CAP is left and were it is now. A lot of Nates around. I like that. Almost 140 A6M2 are already torched. The production early won't keep up with those kinds of losses, and if he decides to ramp up production extensively that will begin to impact long term planning for 2nd and 3rd gen research and production. Having too many A6M is not always good in the long term. What are the production numbers to begin, 56 factories? How many in reserve, surely not 140? The Oscar is also a question. The Ki-43 Ia is virtually used up, there are not good reserves of Ib or Ic to start. Will he ramp those up to 100+ too? The Tojo will be around by April, but until then he has some interesting decisions to make. Flying Nates means losing more decent pilots. Long term none of these things will matter terribly once the Georges and Franks start coming. i have ideas about that though, for the future. For now I want to limit Japanese control of the sky for 42, and especially for big pushes in to Allied territory or VP harvesting in OZ or elsewhere. CHINA: The Japanese are making no moves so far other than the small force aiming at Sian down the yellow road South of Yenan. I've begun sitting units in good territory to build forts and recover disabled squads. OZ: A few groups of P-40Es arrived finally in Brisbane. Some Hurry IIb are heading over from Cape Town. The Aussies and NZ groups of Buffalos head back toward Darwin to train and get some better planes eventually. Damaged ships are stopping off at Perth and heading out to Cape Town. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jan 9, 42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Praboemoelih , at 48,92 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 4 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-27b Nate x 5 Allied aircraft B-17E Fortress x 2 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-27b Nate: 4 damaged Ki-27b Nate: 1 destroyed on ground G3M2 Nell: 2 destroyed on ground A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground No Allied losses Airbase hits 2 Runway hits 2 Aircraft Attacking: 2 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 2000 feet * Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb CAP engaged: 11th Sentai with Ki-27b Nate (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 5 scrambling) Group patrol altitude is 5000 , scrambling fighters to 2000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 32 minutes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Singapore at 50,84 Weather in hex: Thunderstorms Raid detected at 34 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 12 minutes Japanese aircraft D3A1 Val x 25 Ki-27b Nate x 7 Ki-43-Ia Oscar x 12 Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 9 Allied aircraft Buffalo I x 4 P-35A x 2 P-38E Lightning x 6 P-40B Warhawk x 3 P-40E Warhawk x 16 Japanese aircraft losses D3A1 Val: 4 destroyed, 5 damaged Ki-43-Ia Oscar: 1 destroyed No Allied losses Allied Ships HDML P 10 HDML 1096 Aircraft Attacking: 8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000' Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Decent losses here today. [image]local://upfiles/37283/EC70EAFABBDC4432AE2E45A9D6038F0D.jpg[/image]

SqzMyLemon -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (6/2/2017 8:31:10 PM)
You are correct with the starting A6M2 production number at 56. Those losses will hurt and the pooled reserves are less than 100. I always find Oscar production takes 3-4 months to get to a decent level. The trick, as you know, is the more aggressive you are as Japan early, you either up production to keep up with losses, or try to manage sustainable production to get by and devote your resources to next generation models. In my game against Francois, I'm trying to get by with no increase to A6M2 production to get me through until the A6M3 and A6M3a are online. So far so good, but Francois is being exceptionally kind to me this time and is nowhere to be seen. [:D]

obvert -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (6/2/2017 8:34:23 PM)
Here is a big map showing only Allied subs left to oppose the Japanese in the DEI. [image]local://upfiles/37283/87D02E0744B54A56AD63B5E77424CB9D.jpg[/image]

obvert -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (6/2/2017 9:02:04 PM)
Arrrrggg!!! So close! [:D][X(][:@] [image]local://upfiles/37283/832CD66922B84FEF85071A18CF9100E7.jpg[/image]

obvert -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (6/2/2017 9:13:56 PM)
Jan 10, 1942 DEI: Now this is interesting. Probably just FOW, but the number of A6M2 losses jumped today to 171 (!) and the losses appear to be added on the ground. CVE Taiyo was hit by KVIII with one fish a few days ago, but if she went under that would just be odd. I guess fires could have done it. She was hit right next to Balikpapan, so it's possible the fires just kept burning. I might have to pay some attention there again. He tries a night bombing at Singers with a few Sallies. Flak performs well, and there is no damage to the base. Allied CLs hit Johore Bharu in the nick of time, getting to a good crop of IJAAF airframes, including the small Tojo group. The remaining Tojos still sweep Singers, but it'll be tough to keep them effective with only a about 5 left. Some Lilys come in alone as well, probably after morale causes escorts not to fly after the bombardments. [;)] SUBS: So close!! Argonaut hits a mine at Balikpapan. I'll have to move all subs out by a hex. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jan 10, 42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Naval bombardment of Johore Bahru at 50,83 Japanese aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses Ki-43-Ia Oscar: 5 damaged Ki-21-IIa Sally: 13 damaged Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 destroyed on ground D3A1 Val: 3 damaged Ki-27b Nate: 4 damaged Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 2 damaged Ki-44 Tojo: 1 damaged Ki-44 Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground Allied Ships CL Honolulu CL Mauritius Japanese ground losses: 178 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 14 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled Airbase hits 3 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 22 Port hits 2 Port supply hits 1 SOC-1 Seagull acting as spotter for CL Honolulu CL Honolulu firing at Johore Bahru CL Mauritius firing at Johore Bahru -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Kangean at 61,105 Japanese Ships CV Hiryu BB Hiei CA Chikuma CL Yubari CS Chiyoda DD Arashio DD Yugao DD Fuyo DD Akikaze DD Akebono Allied Ships SS KXIII SS KXIII launches 4 torpedoes at CV Hiryu KXIII diving deep .... DD Yugao fails to find sub and abandons search -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Soerabaja , at 56,104 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 5 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 12 Allied aircraft Buffalo I x 7 Mohawk IV x 4 B-339D x 6 CW-21B Demon x 13 75A-7 Hawk x 8 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Buffalo I: 2 destroyed B-339D: 1 destroyed CW-21B Demon: 2 destroyed 75A-7 Hawk: 1 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid detected at 57 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 18 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 7 Allied aircraft Buffalo I x 5 P-35A x 2 P-38E Lightning x 7 P-40B Warhawk x 8 P-40E Warhawk x 16 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses P-35A: 1 destroyed P-40B Warhawk: 1 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Soerabaja , at 56,104 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 3 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 18 Allied aircraft Buffalo I x 1 Mohawk IV x 2 B-339D x 2 CW-21B Demon x 6 75A-7 Hawk x 5 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses Buffalo I: 1 destroyed Mohawk IV: 1 destroyed B-339D: 1 destroyed CW-21B Demon: 3 destroyed 75A-7 Hawk: 2 destroyed Aircraft Attacking: 9 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 17000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid detected at 52 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 14 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-44 Tojo x 6 Allied aircraft Buffalo I x 5 P-38E Lightning x 7 P-40B Warhawk x 5 P-40E Warhawk x 15 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-44 Tojo: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Buffalo I: 1 destroyed P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 11 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-48-Ib Lily x 7 Allied aircraft Buffalo I x 3 P-38E Lightning x 7 P-40B Warhawk x 5 P-40E Warhawk x 12 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-48-Ib Lily: 2 destroyed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Soerabaja at 56,104 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 7 minutes Japanese aircraft B5N2 Kate x 22 D3A1 Val x 14 Allied aircraft Buffalo I x 4 Mohawk IV x 1 CW-21B Demon x 1 Japanese aircraft losses B5N2 Kate: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged D3A1 Val: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged No Allied losses Allied Ships HDML P 17 HDML P 19, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk HDML P 18, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk HDML P 8, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk HDML P 7, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk Aircraft Attacking: 18 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 5000 feet Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Very curious about this. It really looks like a flattop sunk, but only A6M2 down, so a CVL/CVE. I'm guessing Taiyo. [image]local://upfiles/37283/6A2AA5045E1840DFA1EAECF9704F6EA3.jpg[/image]

BBfanboy -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (6/3/2017 3:30:40 AM)
Even if Taiyo was on an Air Transport mission with double the normal capacity, 171 aircraft sounds way too much for her alone. Synch bug?

obvert -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (6/3/2017 5:56:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BBfanboy Even if Taiyo was on an Air Transport mission with double the normal capacity, 171 aircraft sounds way too much for her alone. Synch bug? Haha! Yes, that would be way too many. [;)] The jump from the previous turn at 65 to 88 seems about right though.

Chickenboy -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (6/3/2017 2:30:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert This is the busy time for a teacher or art. Well, are you a teacher? Or are you art? Now I'm all confused. [&:] Good to see you back, obvert. Thanks for the reply. [:)]

witpqs -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (6/3/2017 2:33:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy quote: ORIGINAL: obvert This is the busy time for a teacher or art. Well, are you a teacher? Or are you art? Now I'm all confused. [&:] Good to see you back, obvert. Thanks for the reply. [:)] He must be a teacher as performance art. Every lecture a treasure! [:D] Yes, relieved you are back! [:)]

obvert -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (6/3/2017 4:44:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: witpqs quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy quote: ORIGINAL: obvert This is the busy time for a teacher or art. Well, are you a teacher? Or are you art? Now I'm all confused. [&:] Good to see you back, obvert. Thanks for the reply. [:)] He must be a teacher as performance art. Every lecture a treasure! [:D] Yes, relieved you are back! [:)] Ahh, the spelling monitors are back! Nice catch gents. While I can't claim to be art, or even perform art, I do help students i photography and film-making. Not a bad kind of work, although this time of year it can be crazy. Two more weeks until summer break though!! [&o]

obvert -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (6/3/2017 4:52:36 PM)
Jan 11, 1942 SUBS: The O20 gets a shot at BB Hiei and launches 6 torpedoes! No hits. [:(] Still, this is daily interaction with capital ships from the Allied subs, so I'll take it. Law of averages. DEI: Allied cruisers strike again at Johore, but the base was abandoned, of course. This at least pushes them to greater distance and potentially takes a few days to get things repaired and base forces to set up elsewhere. I'll start keeping an eye on the other 4+ sized airfields on Malaya to see if we can get in a few more shots by sea or air. The Japanese land at Denpasar to get the size 3 field, but to be honest it doesn't matter much now since the Dutch have little left. The USAAF 4E base is as yet untouched, but this is a harder task for the Japanese, and I'll shift it around, so hopefully the shell game will keep us going for a bit. The KB hits Soerabaja just as I suspected ,and a very damaged CL Raleigh and two mildly damaged DDs escape, but I wonder for how long. I was hoping to run and disband, but they stayed out in the open and were seen. Now it's up to whether he goes for them or not. BURMA: Port Blair is taken by paras and I'd left a transferring swordfish group off of Hermes there for an extra turn. Damn. Hate mistakes like that. There's some solace in the fact that their destination, Medan, was plastered by Netties. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jan 11, 42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Sepandjang at 61,106 Japanese Ships BB Hiei DD Akebono Allied Ships SS O20 SS O20 launches 6 torpedoes at BB Hiei O20 diving deep .... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

witpqs -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (6/3/2017 6:16:02 PM)
quote: Ahh, the spelling monitors are back! Nice catch gents. Would we let you down? [sm=00000436.gif]

ny59giants -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (6/4/2017 10:36:06 AM)
Stay safe over there. Hope your extended family in UK is doing well with all this craziness.

Encircled -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (6/4/2017 12:41:53 PM)
Yeah, echo that we'll deal with this, like we always do though. To do anything else would be giving in.

obvert -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (6/4/2017 2:01:52 PM)
Thanks gents. This one is hard as it's smack in the middle of places friends and colleagues live and places I go regularly. Still, it's meant to make us feel uncomfortable and unable to live as we normally do from day to day. I dislike the reactions of putting armed guards on the subway platforms suddenly, and putting extra blockades and security in areas that are likely targets just for a temporary show of force. Real defiance is not changing what we do every day and not staying in the house because threats are out there. I feel for the innocents, and it hits harder when it's closer, but other parents have been losing children across the world because of these extreme actions for a long time. I feel for them all, and this just brings it home to make sure we stay strong.

witpqs -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (6/4/2017 2:28:14 PM)
+1

BBfanboy -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (6/5/2017 3:22:51 AM)
Well stated obvert! We are all in this together.

dave sindel -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (6/5/2017 6:15:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert Thanks gents. This one is hard as it's smack in the middle of places friends and colleagues live and places I go regularly. Still, it's meant to make us feel uncomfortable and unable to live as we normally do from day to day. I dislike the reactions of putting armed guards on the subway platforms suddenly, and putting extra blockades and security in areas that are likely targets just for a temporary show of force. Real defiance is not changing what we do every day and not staying in the house because threats are out there. I feel for the innocents, and it hits harder when it's closer, but other parents have been losing children across the world because of these extreme actions for a long time. I feel for them all, and this just brings it home to make sure we stay strong. +2

Macclan5 -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (6/6/2017 2:18:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert Thanks gents. This one is hard as it's smack in the middle of places friends and colleagues live and places I go regularly. Still, it's meant to make us feel uncomfortable and unable to live as we normally do from day to day. I dislike the reactions of putting armed guards on the subway platforms suddenly, and putting extra blockades and security in areas that are likely targets just for a temporary show of force. Real defiance is not changing what we do every day and not staying in the house because threats are out there. I feel for the innocents, and it hits harder when it's closer, but other parents have been losing children across the world because of these extreme actions for a long time. I feel for them all, and this just brings it home to make sure we stay strong. +3

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