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obvert -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/2/2017 4:51:37 PM)
The 4Es got into it this turn as well, but contradictory to a grand showing in my replay, the CR shows a lacklustre performance. I saw 15+ bombs hit ships in port and reports of many A6M and other planes hit on the fields. The below gives me less confidence, but there is still tomorrow ... and the next day ... and the next ... [:)] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Balikpapan , at 64,97 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid spotted at 33 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 9 minutes Allied aircraft B-17D Fortress x 2 B-17E Fortress x 19 P-40B Warhawk x 5 No Allied losses Japanese Ships BB Kongo, Bomb hits 4 Port hits 2 Aircraft Attacking: 4 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 6000 feet * Port Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Balikpapan , at 64,97 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 7 minutes Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft B-17D Fortress x 9 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground No Allied losses Airbase hits 2 Runway hits 5 Aircraft Attacking: 3 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 8000 feet * Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb [image]local://upfiles/37283/53C58C74E99941C3919479A06F021630.jpg[/image]

obvert -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/2/2017 5:03:29 PM)
Jan 1, 1942 DEI: All hell breaks loose in the New Year!! As expected. The IJN sets ships in 4-5 ship TFs and goes hunting. This works with one caveat that I'd hoped would balance the day; if they stay and fight multiple times they also might be still in the area during the day for the USN CV air to hit AND they would not have much left for a day 3 of this battle. Looking forward to seeing if Force Z is still going, and how bad the damage is on other ships. I know PoW is afloat because two waves of Netties attacked in the day, luckily unescorted and hit by LR CAP P-40Bs. It looks to me in a preliminary assessment that the IJN suffers 3 x CA sunk or in sinking condition. Maybe 1-2 others on fire and in danger. The Haruna is probably dinged a bit and Kongo burning slightly in port, with a hole in her side fro the Dutch sub. Also 2-3 other CAs are in Balikpapan after sub and mine hits. The IJN lose between 7-10 DD. The Allies lose 3 x CA, most likely the Repulse, possibly the PoW is in a precarious state. The Allies lose 2 x Dutch CL and about 5-7 DD, mostly Dutch. Two USN DDs go down, and I think one RN DD likely sunk as well. I can't wait to get the feel and plan for tomorrow. I'll hit the port with 4E and CVs unless something is still afloat nearby and moving slowly. Depending on what is coming though I have the option to run into the Sulu Sea with the CVs and two fresh SCTFs protecting, the others limping to Soerabaja to replenish and reform or retire. CHINA: Ankang falls to the Chinese. An attack on the road to Sian is equal. NO PAC: The USN retires and waits for reinforcements. I haven't seen the CV TF that was around Wake for a while. I need to know where they've gone. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jan 1, 42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 87,41 (near Tsiaotso) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 28566 troops, 263 guns, 40 vehicles, Assault Value = 735 Defending force 23356 troops, 190 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 624 Japanese adjusted assault: 516 Allied adjusted defense: 475 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 622 casualties reported Squads: 9 destroyed, 93 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled Guns lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled) Allied ground losses: 971 casualties reported Squads: 7 destroyed, 111 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Assaulting units: 37th Division 41st Division 4th Ind.Mixed Brigade 1st Army 6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment Defending units: 34th Chinese Corps 33rd Chinese Corps 43rd Chinese Corps 61st Chinese Corps 96th Chinese Corps 7th Group Army -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Ankang (82,42) Allied Shock attack Attacking force 11010 troops, 86 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 342 Defending force 1201 troops, 14 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 43 Allied adjusted assault: 228 Japanese adjusted defense: 37 Allied assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 0) Allied forces CAPTURE Ankang !!! Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: shock(+), morale(-) Japanese ground losses: 384 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled Engineers: 15 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 9 (8 destroyed, 1 disabled) Allied ground losses: 79 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Assaulting units: 55th Chinese Corps 77th Chinese Corps Defending units: 1st Raiding Regiment 16th Field AA Machinecannon Company 54th JAAF AF Bn /1 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

witpqs -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/2/2017 5:13:33 PM)
A nail-biter!

obvert -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/2/2017 7:41:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: witpqs A nail-biter! Seriously. Jeff has the turn still. He's got some stuff going on today, so he'll have it back sometime. I'm just hoping before bed. Need to see the real results!!

BBfanboy -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/2/2017 7:53:17 PM)
What a show! You weren't kidding when you said you were going all in to disrupt the Balikpapan invasion and attrit the Japanese! Well done! [image]local://upfiles/35791/BB68EF98CFFB44ACAFC0EC8F52FBF758.gif[/image]

Bif1961 -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/5/2017 12:50:21 AM)
I agree totally with you about they were expendable when it comes to TF-Z and the Dutch CLs. If you can get an even exchange or greater you have won a big victory. Your loses will be made up ten fold or greater but some of his are never made good, like CAs.

obvert -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/5/2017 7:28:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bif1961 I agree totally with you about they were expendable when it comes to TF-Z and the Dutch CLs. If you can get an even exchange or greater you have won a big victory. Your loses will be made up ten fold or greater but some of his are never made good, like CAs. I'm out on a limb too and Jeff is playing aggressively in the style of the pre-war thinking by Japan; surface naval power wins and air units are there to support them. Can I get enough before he catches me? We'll see! [;)]

obvert -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/5/2017 8:17:35 AM)
I'd like to do another pic update but the sequence is not complete. I was watching the replay on the tube in the morning and didn't get the screen shots copied past a certain point without wifi. But ... here we go again! I noticed that it seemed the mini-KB was coming closer rather than running away. I want to strike the mini-KB, so I stayed put with the CVs but failed to listen to my inner voice on one decision; strike range. I dint think it through carefully enough and it bit me back ... hard. This is the decisive turn in the opening. My choices have been aggressive up till now but not imprudent. My enthusiasm and trust in these beginning flight crews and commanders was a bit too confident and I failed to consider one important factor. [:-] [image]local://upfiles/37283/B6DD907ADD384E40BC872F0C7154E456.jpg[/image]

obvert -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/5/2017 8:19:57 AM)
PoW is still chugging along, but somehow didn't leave the battle area after last turn. This is a problem. More SCTFs are coming from the Palembang area and from the East through the Sulu Sea. I need a turn to neutralise them with air power, and this is where my decision had dire consequences. [image]local://upfiles/37283/281099D541BB4793BC5A565D8B50DC73.jpg[/image]

obvert -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/5/2017 8:21:42 AM)
The companied Anzac fleet was tasked with joining the USN Cs for more surface cover. They got waylaid and split up after yet another fresh CA TF hit them at night. At least they had a decent showing. Canberra was left in trouble, but so were the IJN CAs, or especially CA Nachi. [image]local://upfiles/37283/C611FAE91142436FAEA20F59DD92F5A2.jpg[/image] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Madjene at 65,102, Range 12,000 Yards Japanese Ships CA Nachi, Shell hits 9, on fire CA Mogami, Shell hits 1 DD Oshio DD Akatsuki, Shell hits 1 Allied Ships CA Australia, Shell hits 1 CA Canberra, Shell hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage CL Leander, Shell hits 2 CL Achilles, Shell hits 1 CL Perth, Shell hits 2 DD Stuart, Shell hits 1 DD Voyager DD Van Ghent DD Le Triomphant, Shell hits 3 Poor visibility due to Rain Maximum visibility in Rain: 15,000 yards

obvert -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/5/2017 8:23:20 AM)
The Java and Mauritius also ran into Nachi and Mogami. They got a few more shots in, but this little TF ate up so many of the decent TFs ammo and ops points it essentially changed the game this turn. The main USN CV screening TF is the Boise and company, and they finished off the Nachi but couldn't do much to Mogami. Weird. Still, this didn't expend their ammo, so they just continued on. [image]local://upfiles/37283/3727DF88FD0B4DE7A845FB37C7183E62.jpg[/image] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Madjene at 65,102, Range 11,000 Yards Japanese Ships CA Nachi, Shell hits 12, heavy fires, heavy damage CA Mogami, Shell hits 5 DD Oshio, Shell hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage DD Akatsuki, Shell hits 27, and is sunk Allied Ships CL Java, Shell hits 6, heavy fires CL Mauritius, Shell hits 1 DD Helm DD Patterson, Shell hits 1, heavy fires DD Jarvis, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Ellet, Shell hits 2, heavy fires Poor visibility due to Rain Maximum visibility in Rain: 15,000 yards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Madjene at 64,101, Range 15,000 Yards Japanese Ships CA Nachi, Shell hits 70, heavy fires, heavy damage CA Mogami, Shell hits 7 DD Oshio, Shell hits 18, heavy fires, heavy damage Allied Ships CL Honolulu CL Boise CL Phoenix DD Bagley DD Blue DD Phelps Poor visibility due to Rain Maximum visibility in Rain: 15,000 yards

obvert -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/6/2017 7:11:21 AM)
Sorry, got derailed by work and parenting ... and then ...

obvert -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/6/2017 7:17:43 AM)
The 4Es hit Balikpapan a bit better this day and put shots on both Kongo and Aoba. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Balikpapan , at 64,97 Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid spotted at 25 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 7 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 3 Allied aircraft B-17D Fortress x 1 B-17E Fortress x 16 No Japanese losses No Allied losses Japanese Ships BB Kongo, Bomb hits 4 CA Aoba, Bomb hits 3, on fire DMS W-20, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Port hits 2 Port fuel hits 2 Aircraft Attacking: 6 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 5000 feet * Port Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

obvert -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/6/2017 9:17:58 AM)
This was the difficult moment in the turn. Strike found the mini-KB but the escort was lacking. I hadn't thought about some staying back to escort the Devastators at 5 hexes, and that meant the package to try to break through 50 A6M of the mini-KB were not enough. Only 17 escorts showed up out of the 35 or so set to fly. About 25 DBs out of 45 still made it through, but then none hit!! [:@] Between this and a follow on strike the USN strike package out 37 SBD. [:(] For no hits. [:-] (Pet peeve #1. Strike planes targeting DD when there are three CVL/CVE in this TF and another BB and two CA. GRRR) My mistake though. I should have restricted strike distance to 5 hexes. There are no CV strike planes here so no need to go all out. If I'd done this all planes would likely have made two devastating strikes on the BB TF nearing the area from the NE. Instead ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Sampit at 57,99 Weather in hex: Overcast Raid detected at 20 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 7 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 49 F1M2 Pete x 16 Allied aircraft F2A-3 Buffalo x 8 F4F-3 Wildcat x 9 SBD-2 Dauntless x 30 SBD-3 Dauntless x 15 Japanese aircraft losses F1M2 Pete: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F2A-3 Buffalo: 2 destroyed F4F-3 Wildcat: 2 destroyed SBD-2 Dauntless: 12 destroyed, 4 damaged SBD-3 Dauntless: 6 destroyed, 4 damaged Japanese Ships CVL Zuiho DD Amatsukaze BB Ise CVE Hosho CA Myoko Aircraft Attacking: 2 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 4000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

obvert -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/6/2017 1:24:45 PM)
After that the Devastators fulfilled their role and actually landed two hits on the BB Yamashiro!! Crazy. Didn't expect that. What ifs ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Donggala at 67,98 Weather in hex: Overcast Raid spotted at 5 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 2 minutes Allied aircraft TBD-1 Devastator x 10 Allied aircraft losses TBD-1 Devastator: 1 damaged Japanese Ships BB Yamashiro, Torpedo hits 1 CL Kitakami Aircraft Attacking: 10 x TBD-1 Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 22.4in Mk 13 Torp. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Donggala at 67,98 Weather in hex: Overcast Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 5 minutes Allied aircraft TBD-1 Devastator x 11 Allied aircraft losses TBD-1 Devastator: 1 damaged TBD-1 Devastator: 1 destroyed by flak Japanese Ships CL Kitakami BB Yamashiro, Torpedo hits 1 Aircraft Attacking: 10 x TBD-1 Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 22.4in Mk 13 Torp. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Donggala at 67,98 Weather in hex: Light rain Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 7 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 5 Allied aircraft F2A-3 Buffalo x 7 TBD-1 Devastator x 10 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses TBD-1 Devastator: 1 damaged Japanese Ships BB Yamashiro CL Kitakami Aircraft Attacking: 10 x TBD-1 Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 22.4in Mk 13 Torp. CAP engaged: 64th Sentai with Ki-43-Ib Oscar (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) (17 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.) 5 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 5000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 5000. Raid is overhead -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Balikpapan at 64,97 Weather in hex: Heavy rain Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 13 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-27b Nate x 6 Allied aircraft F4F-3 Wildcat x 5 TBD-1 Devastator x 10 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses TBD-1 Devastator: 1 damaged Japanese Ships CL Tama CL Kiso Aircraft Attacking: 10 x TBD-1 Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 22.4in Mk 13 Torp. CAP engaged: 24th Sentai with Ki-27b Nate (6 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) (6 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.) 6 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000. Raid is overhead

obvert -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/6/2017 1:51:45 PM)
Jan 2, 1942 SUBS: The Dutch subs didn't get into the BB TF heading through the straits as I'd hoped. They also didn't track down the mini-KB, another mission for this turn. Maybe next one. I've got about 10 working this small area, and they've done well, but I need them to come through again! DEI: After this turn I feel depressed. Such a good plan, and I deviated from my goals just slightly, took a risk of trying to knock out the mini-KB, the only thing keeping us from potentially wiping off all of the Balikpapan oil and the ships in port over the next few turns. Now we're in a bad place all of a sudden. More SCTFs converging, the PoW limping toward Soerabaja, the CV air strike package reduced by 40%, and several surface TFs damged and/or needing to replenish ammo. I've made a choice to try to restrict strike distance to hit the ships in port in Balikpapan. I'm hoping the three SCTFs here for the Allies, including the CLs, can hold for a turn. I also expect he'll think we'll try to get everything moving to Soerabaja. It's another risk, but based on what I know is here, a good one for a turn. I just hope for a turn to get some 1000 pounders on the Kongo and company. PACIFIC: The IJ invades Rabaul and Hollandia. Now the real South Pacific battle begins. CHINA: The Chinese get to x3 territory except for the few small units I've left behind to get into the LOC in various areas. Looking forward to seeing how this turns out.

Bif1961 -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/7/2017 12:31:26 AM)
Though your trying to trap and kill the mini-KB was a furball knife fight, I tried the same thing in my game and my 3 American carriers and 2 British carriers against 3 CVLs of the mini-KB. One American carrier TF reacted and those assigned to follow didn't react exposing that one TF Lexington and Idomintable, with POW ti all of the Mini-KB strike aircraft. The Lexington took a torpedo while the POW and Idomitable were crippled and polished off later by surface forces. My carrier TFs did launch and sank two CVls and damaged 1 CVL and also sank 2 CSs. But after a few surface battles he lost the invasion force, after it dropped off the troops at Tarakan, which he took, for the cost of heavily damaging a British R class and sinking a CA and CL for 1 CA and 2 CLs. Not as bloody as your fight but I think it was worth the effort, it slowed his advance, crippled the Mini-KB and sank or damaged ships he could ill afford to be without during his most critical phase.

Anachro -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/7/2017 1:44:15 AM)
Definitely worth the effort, despite the early terrible quality of Allied CV strike packages. Possible to cause damage and needs to be tried nonetheless; after all, in one PBEM I managed to sink 3 KB CVs in January '42 with Buffalos and Devastators still on my CVs. I think this is now the 10th time I've mentioned it on these forums. Probably because it remains my greatest and most glorious WitP memory as of yet. Did I mention I am really enjoying this early fight in the DEI. I think early-to-mid '42 is some of the most fun times that can be had for the Allies. It's like a dance where you are trying to avoid Japanese Mike Tyson's deadly right hook while getting little jabs in here and there (some of which can be devastating). A lot of fun can be had before you switch to the tedium of logistics and preparation for future invasions...and then the grind of '44 and '45. All phases are fun in their own way of course for both sides. I'm hoping I can make '45 in my Japan game as I think doing the last defense of the home islands would be really interesting. Alas, I wonder if I have the skill at the moment to make it that far against a semi-decent Allied opponent.

obvert -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/7/2017 6:08:48 AM)
Thanks guys. I was feeling a bit down after the recent turn since I knew I could have done better. I took a risk at the wrong moment. One more turn and some more reflection and I could have devastated the IJN forces in the area before running away. I know it wouldn't have been easy and may still have had some downsides, but this one turn will change the whole game. I hope others do try stuff like this when the KB hangs out at PH for a week, as here, or some other deep So Pac cruise. I think there is so much opportunity to spank the IJ through strat bombing and snap invasions when they take liberties. I'll keep being aggressive, but probably not with as much force as here in the next little while! [;)]

obvert -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/8/2017 8:36:19 PM)
Jan 3, 1942 DEI: It's been a busy few days. Finally a time to report on the last few turns. I didn't want to hurry this one, but I'm sure most readers have already found out from Lowpe's AAR the results of Jan 3. It was a hard turn to watch. The image below shows it all. After several SCTFs converged on the area around Balikpapan, the Allied surface forces were overwhelmed. The CVs were open to attack, and of course it was the TF with the biggest guns that got through. [:(] This is a tough loss, but entirely my fault. I could have lost her to a sub nearby, or a Nettie strike the other direction, but this is hard to swallow. I can't blame luck or misfortune. Ultimately I chose o put these ships in harm's way for a reason, and there is still hope to d more damage to the Japanese through these next turns, but it'll be tough if the enterprise also gets caught and goes down. Reports are below to give an idea of the scale of the battles. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jan 3, 42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Balikpapan at 64,98, Range 5,000 Yards Japanese Ships CL Tama CL Kiso, Shell hits 2, on fire Allied Ships CV Lexington, Shell hits 2, on fire CV Enterprise, Shell hits 1 CA New Orleans CL Raleigh CL Marblehead DD Mugford DD Shaw DD Downes DD Cassin DD Reid DD Tucker DD Alden DD Bulmer DD John D. Ford Poor visibility due to Rain with 100% moonlight Maximum visibility in Rain and 100% moonlight: 6,000 yards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Balikpapan at 64,98, Range 6,000 Yards Japanese Ships BB Yamashiro, Shell hits 2 DD Kisaragi DD Fumizuki, Shell hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage DD Nagatsuki, Shell hits 1 DD Mochizuki DD Hayate, Shell hits 1 Allied Ships CL Honolulu, Shell hits 1 CL Boise, Shell hits 1 CL Phoenix DD Bagley DD Blue DD Phelps Reduced visibility due to Rain with 100% moonlight Maximum visibility in Rain and 100% moonlight: 6,000 yards Range closes to 11,000 yards... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Bandjermasin at 59,101, Range 10,000 Yards Japanese Ships CVL Ryujo CVL Zuiho CVE Hosho CS Chiyoda BB Ise CA Maya CA Ashigara CA Kinugasa DD Oyashio DD Ikazuchi DD Kamikaze DD Asagao DD Fuyo DD Karukaya DD Yugao DD Kuri DD Hishu Allied Ships DD Evertsen, heavy damage Reduced visibility due to Rain with 100% moonlight Maximum visibility in Rain and 100% moonlight: 6,000 yards Range increases to 12,000 yards... Both Task Forces evade combat -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Balikpapan at 64,99, Range 6,000 Yards Japanese Ships CL Kitakami, Shell hits 1 DD Harukaze, Shell hits 1 DD Hatakaze Allied Ships CL Leander, Shell hits 4 DD Helm, Shell hits 1 DD Voyager Poor visibility due to Rain with 100% moonlight Maximum visibility in Rain and 100% moonlight: 6,000 yards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Balikpapan at 64,98, Range 7,000 Yards Japanese Ships CL Tama, Shell hits 6, on fire CL Kiso, Shell hits 5, on fire Allied Ships CL Leander, Shell hits 4, on fire DD Helm DD Voyager DD Kortenaer Reduced visibility due to Rain Maximum visibility in Rain: 15,000 yards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Balikpapan at 63,100, Range 11,000 Yards Japanese Ships DD Yukikaze, Shell hits 3, on fire DD Arashi DD Hagikaze, Shell hits 21, and is sunk DD Asashio, Shell hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage Allied Ships CL Honolulu, Shell hits 1 CL Boise CL Phoenix, Shell hits 3 DD Bagley DD Blue DD Phelps, Shell hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage Low visibility due to Rain Maximum visibility in Rain: 14,000 yards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Balikpapan at 64,98, Range 12,000 Yards Japanese Ships CL Tama, Shell hits 2, on fire Allied Ships CL Leander, Shell hits 2, on fire DD Helm, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DD Voyager DD Kortenaer Low visibility due to Rain Maximum visibility in Rain: 12,000 yards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Balikpapan at 64,98, Range 14,000 Yards Japanese Ships CL Kitakami, Shell hits 2 DD Harukaze, Shell hits 4, on fire DD Hatakaze Allied Ships CV Lexington CV Enterprise CA New Orleans CL Raleigh CL Marblehead DD Mugford DD Shaw DD Downes DD Cassin DD Reid DD Tucker DD Alden DD Bulmer DD John D. Ford Reduced visibility due to Rain Maximum visibility in Rain: 15,000 yards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Bandjermasin at 62,101, Range 14,000 Yards Japanese Ships CL Oi, Shell hits 11, on fire DD Minekaze DD Okikaze DD Shiokaze Allied Ships CL Honolulu CL Boise CL Phoenix, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Bagley, Shell hits 1, on fire Low visibility due to Rain Maximum visibility in Rain: 15,000 yards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Bandjermasin at 62,101, Range 5,000 Yards Japanese Ships CL Oi, Shell hits 5, heavy fires DD Minekaze, Shell hits 1 DD Okikaze, Shell hits 1 DD Shiokaze Allied Ships DD Witte de With, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage DD Van Nes, Shell hits 16, heavy fires, heavy damage Reduced visibility due to Rain Maximum visibility in Rain: 15,000 yards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Balikpapan at 63,99, Range 14,000 Yards Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses Walrus II: 1 destroyed Japanese Ships BB Hyuga, Shell hits 1 CA Myoko DD Hatsukaze, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Amatsukaze DD Shikinami, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Sanae, Shell hits 1 Allied Ships CL Leander, Shell hits 8, and is sunk DD Helm, Shell hits 9, heavy fires, heavy damage DD Voyager, Shell hits 2, and is sunk DD Kortenaer Reduced visibility due to Rain Maximum visibility in Rain: 15,000 yards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Balikpapan at 63,99, Range 15,000 Yards Japanese Ships DD Minekaze DD Okikaze Allied Ships DD Helm, Shell hits 1, and is sunk DD Kortenaer Reduced visibility due to Rain Maximum visibility in Rain: 15,000 yards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Balikpapan at 64,98, Range 15,000 Yards Japanese Ships BB Hyuga, Shell hits 6 CA Myoko, Shell hits 1 DD Hatsukaze, Shell hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage DD Amatsukaze, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Shikinami, on fire DD Sanae, Shell hits 3, on fire Allied Ships CV Lexington, Shell hits 11, heavy fires, heavy damage CV Enterprise, Shell hits 6, heavy fires CA New Orleans, Shell hits 1 CL Raleigh, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage CL Marblehead DD Mugford, Shell hits 4, on fire DD Shaw, Shell hits 2, on fire DD Downes, Shell hits 1 DD Cassin DD Reid DD Tucker, Shell hits 1 DD Alden, Shell hits 1 DD Bulmer DD John D. Ford, Shell hits 3 Poor visibility due to Rain Maximum visibility in Rain: 15,000 yards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Balikpapan at 64,100, Range 6,000 Yards Japanese Ships CA Takao, Shell hits 1 CA Atago DD Michishio, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk DD Arashio Allied Ships DD Lamson, Shell hits 7, and is sunk Poor visibility due to Rain Maximum visibility in Rain: 15,000 yards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Balikpapan at 63,100 Japanese Ships DD Yukikaze, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DD Arashi Allied Ships SS KXIV, hits 1 SS KXIV launches 2 torpedoes at DD Yukikaze -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Balikpapan , at 64,97 Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 8 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 6 Ki-27b Nate x 3 Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 1 Allied aircraft P-40B Warhawk x 7 SB2U-3 Vindicator x 7 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses P-40B Warhawk: 2 destroyed SB2U-3 Vindicator: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged Japanese Ships BB Kongo, Bomb hits 1 Port hits 1 Aircraft Attacking: 3 x SB2U-3 Vindicator releasing from 4000' Port Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Balikpapan , at 64,97 Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 8 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 2 Ki-27b Nate x 5 Allied aircraft Do-24K-1 x 2 B-17D Fortress x 3 B-17E Fortress x 10 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses Do-24K-1: 1 damaged Oil hits 6 Aircraft Attacking: 5 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 5000 feet * City Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Balikpapan , at 64,97 Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 8 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 2 Allied aircraft B-18A Bolo x 6 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses B-18A Bolo: 1 destroyed Oil hits 2 Aircraft Attacking: 3 x B-18A Bolo bombing from 2000 feet * City Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Samarinda , at 65,96 Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 5 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-27b Nate x 3 Allied aircraft B-17D Fortress x 4 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-27b Nate: 3 damaged G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed on ground No Allied losses Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 5 Aircraft Attacking: 2 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 2000 feet * Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Balikpapan at 64,100 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 18 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 45 F1M2 Pete x 13 Allied aircraft F4F-3A Wildcat x 21 SBD-2 Dauntless x 29 TBD-1 Devastator x 14 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed F1M2 Pete: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F4F-3A Wildcat: 3 destroyed SBD-2 Dauntless: 4 destroyed, 2 damaged TBD-1 Devastator: 3 damaged Japanese Ships CVL Ryujo, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage CVE Hosho CS Chiyoda CA Maya, Bomb hits 1 BB Ise CVL Zuiho, Bomb hits 1 Aircraft Attacking: 5 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb 14 x TBD-1 Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 22.4in Mk 13 Torp. 4 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 4000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb 8 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 4000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [image]local://upfiles/37283/DBC7266D0D8F464B9607D1D16C43C7B5.jpg[/image]

obvert -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/8/2017 8:53:19 PM)
Jan 3, 1942 DEI: Below is the map after the Jan 3 turn. The KB is now entering the fray. The Lex of course went down. A difficulty was that she had the extra Marine fighters, so there is little CAP for the Big E now. Only about 14 Wildcats left. Yikes. She is also slowed to 7 hexes a phase at flank. I'll have to go toward the South China Sea, away from the SCTFs around Balikpapan and the KB near the Celebes. A force of CAs will aim to link up and they have fully filled magazines. Two other CA TFs will combine and head toward Singers along with the three CLs. I'll try to refuel and get ready to support the Enterprise if she can clear Borneo. There shouldn't be as many CAs out in that direction for a turn or two. I'll hope to get cover at Singers for up to 2 turns and on Sumatra for a turn, then to the IO. The good part of the KB showing here is that about a dozen USN subs and a similar number of Dutch will now converge on it's position. The rest of the USN subs will trail and aim to cover retreat routes and choke points. It looks like Ryujo will sink, but the other three CVL/CVE will also be targeted by the USN S-boats. They might have a better chance against the slow mini-KB. The 4Es did strike the oil and got some decent hits. Two small TFs using B-18 Bolos also struck and got two hits on the oil. Another 25 or so points taken off, which will take a lot of supply to repair and a short loss of full production. Samarinda looks to be operational now, so I have to be a bit careful. Only one hit on Kongo for port strikes today, and lost a few Vindys in the process. Really need 1000 lb bombs to finish some ships off. I do have some other air groups approaching from OZ. Lets see if they can give a surprise or two. [image]local://upfiles/37283/8C78F8CE02DE414683238BB48E617079.jpg[/image]

witpqs -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/8/2017 9:13:22 PM)
Oh, crikey!

Bif1961 -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/9/2017 12:19:49 AM)
From the frying pan to the fire. The biggest issue when trying to trap the mini-KB is getting your carriers out of harm's way. Now that the Lex is gone it seems the mighty E is your last hope.

Anachro -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/9/2017 1:35:37 AM)
I think if the Big E escapes from all this you will have to RP a bit and write a first-hand account of the harrowing adventure.

obvert -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/9/2017 12:53:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bif1961 From the frying pan to the fire. The biggest issue when trying to trap the mini-KB is getting your carriers out of harm's way. Now that the Lex is gone it seems the mighty E is your last hope. Well, there are a few more things that give me hope! It's just sad I didn't handle this one tactical part better, but that is the game and that is war too. You have to make decisions, and sometimes the goals are valid but the tactics or executions are lacking. In this case I won't spin it as a positive though. The goals are important and strategic but I could have continued those more effectively with a bit more care for the CVs in this case, and it's 90% likely I could have saved both having just moved back 4-5 hexes on the turn they were hit (and Lex was sunk) instead of keeping them forward.

mind_messing -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/9/2017 3:39:32 PM)
I can't say I didn't expect this to happen. I was getting flashbacks to an AAR a few years back where a IJN player lost the KB in the Eastern DEI to a gaggle of Allied SCTF's in late '42. The DEI is a carriers graveyard simply because there's so little searoom - disaster is then just a few reactions and an engagement or two away from disaster. While it's easy to say with hindsight, you were simply fighting too far forward. As tempting a target as the oil would have been, a more measured approach would have cost you less. Keeping the carriers unseen behind Java, then following it up with a combined carrier and LBA strike when Lowpe's attention was elsewhere would have probably allowed you to get clean away. The question I must ask is why did it need to be the DEI? I know you've read my AAR - Loka's '42 carrier raid on Hokkaido should be mandatory for the Allies if the KB is deployed in the DEI.

Macclan5 -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/9/2017 4:53:35 PM)
Despite the the losses and any admonishment (self or otherwise).. I am very impressed with the deployment of scare assets (USCVs in the early part of the war). It was very informative and interesting to me. Admittedly I am a rookie but still... Oil may not be the "strategic trade off" you envisioned in 1941; however a number of IJN CA / CL / DD (even a BB Yasamiro with 2 torps) are downed or severely damaged requiring shipyard time as far as I can follow. These Naval assets cannot therefore be used in the aggressive expansion of the co-prosperity sphere as I recon it. Now your own losses in CA / CL / DD must be taken into account but with strong LBA and careful management you should be able to start deploying to strategic bases.... Reasons to be optimistic: Saratoga hunting unescorted xAks and DD in the North Pacific. Hornet and Wasp online soon. All with F4Fs and SBD3's - no more Buffalo's. All 3 can prowl Pearl / Tarawa / Canton / Palmyra supporting defense in depth and raiding the unwary IJN. CVE's start pouring in in 6 months that can lend a supporting hand in the Coral Sea for example.. or visa versa. The biggest hurting point is that the "good CVE's of the Sangamon class" do take a while to come online. Further some British CVs are online soon and if you feel you can wait to transit them to Balboa - they can replace Lex at least...or play a similar spoiling role off the coast in Burma....

Anachro -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/9/2017 5:14:29 PM)
In my opinion, 2 lost carriers without any real attrition of enemy carriers slows you down a little bit, but not too badly. You can still conduct hit and run raids with your force in '42 with the four you will still have left (Hornet, Wasp, Yorktown, Saratoga). And you should be able to conduct some offensive ops at the edges in early-to-mid '43. I wouldn't be too down. And if the opportunity presents itself, 4 carriers can beat 6 KB carriers with a little luck. I doubt Lowpe would put his carriers in such a bad position, however. But who knows?

Lokasenna -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/9/2017 10:49:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Anachro And if the opportunity presents itself, 4 carriers can beat 6 KB carriers with a little luck. I doubt Lowpe would put his carriers in such a bad position, however. But who knows? Not before 1943 aircraft they can't.

Anachro -> RE: Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J) (5/9/2017 11:08:15 PM)
They could in '42, but it would require luck, a very opportune setting, and misuse or overuse of KB air assets in a protracted setting. Very unlikely as I doubt Lowpe would let such a thing occur, but I would never use the definitive word "can't." You are right of course that Hellcats make many more things possible - and victory more likely.

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