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RangerJoe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (6/28/2021 4:47:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe Are the Devastators set to torpedo or bomb? If they are set to torpedo with none available they might carry four 500 lb bombs. Or are they attacking at 5 hex range? Since the Vindicators are not dive bombing, you might want to lower their altitude. The Vindicators are there for intel gathering, rather than making hits. We will see if the Devastators carrying more ammo...although I am happy with double 500#. They will carry 2x500lb bombs instead of a torpedo I have seen them carry four 500 lb bombs. They dropped them on the enemy as well.

Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (6/28/2021 9:57:37 PM)
April 25, 1942 Resolution goes to guard Triv, which I feel will be bombarded tonight, or passed by as IJN raiders want to reach Cochin...not happy with the number of destroyer escorts, would feel better with five or more...but we have to do it so that Ramillies can put out her small fire and perhaps make Calicut. Battle last 16 rounds and the long lances start screaming in from 10k and they seem to keep coming all night, until near the end of the engagement Resolution gets hit by one. Resolution was a champ, shrugging off 20cm hits... Sure enough the IJN bombard, they task force shouldn't have had this much ammo left, as it was also attacked 2-3 times by Swordfish prior to the bombardment but forts only 1: Night Naval bombardment of Trivandrum at 27,43 Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses Hurricane IIb Trop: 2 damaged Hurricane IIa Trop: 1 damaged P-39D Airacobra: 5 damaged Japanese Ships CA Chokai CL Naka Allied Ships BB Resolution, Shell hits 1, heavy damage Allied ground losses: 236 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled) Airbase hits 2 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 8 Port hits 4 E8N2 Dave acting as spotter for CA Chokai CA Chokai firing at Trivandrum CL Naka firing at Trivandrum [image]local://upfiles/44178/10D9E83A233040CBAF5180E0F519F528.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (6/28/2021 10:04:54 PM)
23 miles marched on our exit from Rockhampton, but now some units have 15% disruption![:(] Can we get out before the attack? BB SAG up at Townsville, with about 8 CMs. Night Naval bombardment of Rockhampton at 95,152 Japanese Ships CA Aoba CA Mikuma CA Mogami DD Minekaze DD Yayoi DD Mutsuki DD Arashi Allied ground losses: 374 casualties reported Squads: 4 destroyed, 18 disabled Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 40 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Guns lost 23 (1 destroyed, 22 disabled) Vehicles lost 20 (4 destroyed, 16 disabled) CA Aoba firing at 21/22 Field Regiment E8N2 Dave acting as spotter for CA Mikuma CA Mikuma firing at 41st Infantry/A Division E8N2 Dave acting as spotter for CA Mogami CA Mogami firing at 41st Infantry/B Division DD Minekaze firing at 13th Australian Brigade DD Yayoi firing at 182nd Infantry Regiment DD Mutsuki firing at 13th Australian Brigade DD Arashi firing at 41st Infantry/A Division [image]local://upfiles/44178/7C0F50FC9C794AED9CDDBE0305D529F6.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (6/28/2021 10:12:47 PM)
This is for NY59Giants.... Some big guns to reduce Bundaberg... [image]local://upfiles/44178/8F34FCD1E7A84D1D904C12BBE2D04A7D.jpg[/image]

ny59giants -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (6/28/2021 10:21:17 PM)
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Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (6/28/2021 10:27:55 PM)
Ceylon front... Good hits on the repair shipyard at Colombo, but I inadvertently send a beast squadron in during the daylight, and we lose a beast. We did sweep prior but with only 1 Hurricane squadron. [image]local://upfiles/44178/8971081C7893426494C37EC635635239.jpg[/image]

RangerJoe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (6/28/2021 10:30:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe Ceylon front... Good hits on the repair shipyard at Colombo, but I inadvertently send a beast squadron in during the daylight, and we lose a beast. We did sweep prior but with only 1 Hurricane squadron. [image]local://upfiles/44178/8971081C7893426494C37EC635635239.jpg[/image] You might need to recapture that shipyard sooner than later . . .

mind_messing -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (6/28/2021 11:04:13 PM)
Glad it's just not me that struggles to get good mileage out of the R class. I sometimes wonder if the R in "R class" stands for "Right into torpedoes" as that's pretty much all I've seen them do in my experience. Any port will do for the Ramillies atm. I wouldn't risk moving it myself, especially with that one hex speed limit. IJ 250kg bombs will bounce off the deck armour, so all you need to worry about is 800kgs from the Betty/Nell/Kate or a naval bombardment (which looks fairly risky at this point). III Indian Corp flak should be enough to make any bombing a costly opposition, to say nothing of CAP Just need to dodge torpedoes for a turn or two!

Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (6/29/2021 1:28:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mind_messing Glad it's just not me that struggles to get good mileage out of the R class. I sometimes wonder if the R in "R class" stands for "Right into torpedoes" as that's pretty much all I've seen them do in my experience. Any port will do for the Ramillies atm. I wouldn't risk moving it myself, especially with that one hex speed limit. IJ 250kg bombs will bounce off the deck armour, so all you need to worry about is 800kgs from the Betty/Nell/Kate or a naval bombardment (which looks fairly risky at this point). III Indian Corp flak should be enough to make any bombing a costly opposition, to say nothing of CAP Just need to dodge torpedoes for a turn or two! Not nearly enough escorts for the R class...I had sent several American destroyers over, but a lot of them have already paid the ultimate price or are upgrading for radar. However, I was very disappointed to see the actual shells fired which was very few despite being heavily targeted by the Japanese, and plenty of burning IJN ships for her to fire at. Fired almost 0 6" shells for example.

Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (6/29/2021 1:35:26 AM)
Turn is away, and the armored cars are shock attacking at Bowen...I think they might get naval bombarded and end up shocking to their destruction, but we shall see. It is a crapshoot...

RangerJoe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (6/29/2021 1:36:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe quote: ORIGINAL: mind_messing Glad it's just not me that struggles to get good mileage out of the R class. I sometimes wonder if the R in "R class" stands for "Right into torpedoes" as that's pretty much all I've seen them do in my experience. Any port will do for the Ramillies atm. I wouldn't risk moving it myself, especially with that one hex speed limit. IJ 250kg bombs will bounce off the deck armour, so all you need to worry about is 800kgs from the Betty/Nell/Kate or a naval bombardment (which looks fairly risky at this point). III Indian Corp flak should be enough to make any bombing a costly opposition, to say nothing of CAP Just need to dodge torpedoes for a turn or two! Not nearly enough escorts for the R class...I had sent several American destroyers over, but a lot of them have already paid the ultimate price or are upgrading for radar. However, I was very disappointed to see the actual shells fired which was very few despite being heavily targeted by the Japanese, and plenty of burning IJN ships for her to fire at. Fired almost 0 6" shells for example. Then it appears that the ship was either rushing towards or running away from the enemy since those only fire to the side.

BBfanboy -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (6/29/2021 1:55:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe quote: ORIGINAL: mind_messing Glad it's just not me that struggles to get good mileage out of the R class. I sometimes wonder if the R in "R class" stands for "Right into torpedoes" as that's pretty much all I've seen them do in my experience. Any port will do for the Ramillies atm. I wouldn't risk moving it myself, especially with that one hex speed limit. IJ 250kg bombs will bounce off the deck armour, so all you need to worry about is 800kgs from the Betty/Nell/Kate or a naval bombardment (which looks fairly risky at this point). III Indian Corp flak should be enough to make any bombing a costly opposition, to say nothing of CAP Just need to dodge torpedoes for a turn or two! Not nearly enough escorts for the R class...I had sent several American destroyers over, but a lot of them have already paid the ultimate price or are upgrading for radar. However, I was very disappointed to see the actual shells fired which was very few despite being heavily targeted by the Japanese, and plenty of burning IJN ships for her to fire at. Fired almost 0 6" shells for example. Then it appears that the ship was either rushing towards or running away from the enemy since those only fire to the side. We don't know how the game is modeling positions and tactics so we can only surmise. My take on it is that after an initial salvo or two, BBs tend to be left behind while the DDs and sometimes cruisers rush between the two TFs. BBs would be out of position and unable to fire for fear of hitting their own ships - as the "check fire" order in the Battle of Cape Esperance illustrated (one DD got between the US cruisers and the enemy column). In virtually every gun battle featuring one or more BBs, the BB hardly fires unless it is long range (20K yards or more) or an enemy ship is greatly slowed and the BB is passing it as it chases the faster ships. I have not had a chance for the Iowa class BBs with their excellent speed to duke it out with enemy ships. If my theory is right, they should be in the battle constantly, not just at beginning and end.

Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (6/29/2021 2:06:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BBfanboy quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe quote: ORIGINAL: mind_messing Glad it's just not me that struggles to get good mileage out of the R class. I sometimes wonder if the R in "R class" stands for "Right into torpedoes" as that's pretty much all I've seen them do in my experience. Any port will do for the Ramillies atm. I wouldn't risk moving it myself, especially with that one hex speed limit. IJ 250kg bombs will bounce off the deck armour, so all you need to worry about is 800kgs from the Betty/Nell/Kate or a naval bombardment (which looks fairly risky at this point). III Indian Corp flak should be enough to make any bombing a costly opposition, to say nothing of CAP Just need to dodge torpedoes for a turn or two! Not nearly enough escorts for the R class...I had sent several American destroyers over, but a lot of them have already paid the ultimate price or are upgrading for radar. However, I was very disappointed to see the actual shells fired which was very few despite being heavily targeted by the Japanese, and plenty of burning IJN ships for her to fire at. Fired almost 0 6" shells for example. Then it appears that the ship was either rushing towards or running away from the enemy since those only fire to the side. We don't know how the game is modeling positions and tactics so we can only surmise. My take on it is that after an initial salvo or two, BBs tend to be left behind while the DDs and sometimes cruisers rush between the two TFs. BBs would be out of position and unable to fire for fear of hitting their own ships - as the "check fire" order in the Battle of Cape Esperance illustrated (one DD got between the US cruisers and the enemy column). In virtually every gun battle featuring one or more BBs, the BB hardly fires unless it is long range (20K yards or more) or an enemy ship is greatly slowed and the BB is passing it as it chases the faster ships. I have not had a chance for the Iowa class BBs with their excellent speed to duke it out with enemy ships. If my theory is right, they should be in the battle constantly, not just at beginning and end. Interesting theory. But I don't think that lives us up to my anecdotal information. Normally, my BBs fire a lot, but then again they almost always have nothing but destroyer escorts and at least 5 of them...The R class simply don't have that many turrets, and she did fire all her rear turret main gun ammo. I should have looked at the distribution of the destroyers ammo consumption. I always shudder when I get the infamous "crossing the T" blurb, as it seems the defenders fire more....

Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (6/29/2021 10:37:22 AM)
April 26, 1942 A relatively quiet day, Manila falls however, and most of the troops surrender rather than retreat. Night time bombing of Colombo ineffective. IJN minelayers show up at Rockhampton. Two American heavy cruisers and two more light cruisers show up to bombard Bundaberg... [image]local://upfiles/44178/B812DF04ACC442D7AD7DC1914449F49B.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (6/29/2021 10:41:56 AM)
The armored cars at Bowen aren't bombed or bombarded, attack in good order, but find Combat engineers there in good order behind forts 1, and get a 1-3 result. Even with the other Australian recce unit approaching (Stuarts) I fear we have to retreat out or risk losing the entire unit. Will keep the rail line cut for as long as possible. [image]local://upfiles/44178/DB67DF2F67F64E61A14B884B69D18BB5.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (6/29/2021 11:17:46 AM)
Out of Rockhampton...now I am tempted to send the tanks up to south of Bowen, or all the way to threaten Townsville especially since Japan has not bombed ground troops, but I fear without air control it is a mistake...like when the IJA moved two armored units into Ceduna.[;)] Plus, in 5 days another 100 tanks show up at Cape Town, and I will convert two Australian units to Lee/Grants (I think I will buy them out first) and that will be a big force improvement since most Australian tank units are operating around 30% of the TOE. The goal of this operation has always been to remove the threat of land based air accumulation of strategic VP first, second to gain some combat experience, third focus Japan's attention here, and attrit Japanese strength. Japan has gained so far only 1040 VP, a far cry from the normal 5K an Australian invasion normally achieves, which of course is invaluable to Japan in 44 and 45. Additionally, I think we have very favorably attrited Japanese airplanes in theater. We still have almost 1,000 militia squads to upgrade into AMF 42 inf with their improvement to hard attack (15) and 3 point improvement in soft attack to 18. A little more than 50% done. Plus most of the American subs above Bundaberg need their radar upgrades... [image]local://upfiles/44178/5DDC628DDB1E4AB08998FD978DDE6184.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (6/29/2021 11:37:19 AM)
The new Japanese thrust is becoming clear...I feared an assault on Lanchow and had sent the Stuarts in that direction, they will reverse and head south. The IJA cleverly avoided the shock crossing penalty by moving troops overland. Supply stockpile turned off at Chungking to hopefully flow some into this area. [image]local://upfiles/44178/C93607BB53A84C18867AED2FEF3F2C8E.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (6/29/2021 1:34:23 PM)
Picking a commander for my Wellingtons. They will be with me the whole war, so I want a decent one although only most of the skills are very hard to measure. Primary activity will be night bombing. I doubt it does much, but I want a high land skill. Good inspiration, medium to low aggression, good leadership. Who would you chose? [image]local://upfiles/44178/B741E959608A4A369D4B12FFE13CCA85.jpg[/image]

RangerJoe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (6/29/2021 1:51:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe Picking a commander for my Wellingtons. They will be with me the whole war, so I want a decent one although only most of the skills are very hard to measure. Primary activity will be night bombing. I doubt it does much, but I want a high land skill. Good inspiration, medium to low aggression, good leadership. Who would you chose? [image]local://upfiles/44178/B741E959608A4A369D4B12FFE13CCA85.jpg[/image] SLDR Austin, FJ You want air skill, not land skill.

mind_messing -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (6/29/2021 1:52:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe Picking a commander for my Wellingtons. They will be with me the whole war, so I want a decent one although only most of the skills are very hard to measure. Primary activity will be night bombing. I doubt it does much, but I want a high land skill. Good inspiration, medium to low aggression, good leadership. Who would you chose? And I want to know what it is that you're smoking! [:D]

mind_messing -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (6/29/2021 1:56:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe quote: ORIGINAL: mind_messing Glad it's just not me that struggles to get good mileage out of the R class. I sometimes wonder if the R in "R class" stands for "Right into torpedoes" as that's pretty much all I've seen them do in my experience. Any port will do for the Ramillies atm. I wouldn't risk moving it myself, especially with that one hex speed limit. IJ 250kg bombs will bounce off the deck armour, so all you need to worry about is 800kgs from the Betty/Nell/Kate or a naval bombardment (which looks fairly risky at this point). III Indian Corp flak should be enough to make any bombing a costly opposition, to say nothing of CAP Just need to dodge torpedoes for a turn or two! Not nearly enough escorts for the R class...I had sent several American destroyers over, but a lot of them have already paid the ultimate price or are upgrading for radar. However, I was very disappointed to see the actual shells fired which was very few despite being heavily targeted by the Japanese, and plenty of burning IJN ships for her to fire at. Fired almost 0 6" shells for example. Yeah, I don't think the escorts are really the problem with these ships. You could give them Porters or Fletchers and I think they'd still struggle to make an impact. I wonder if it's just that the speed difference between 21 knots and 25 knots that makes all the difference in surface combat, at least where torpedo hits are concerned. If that's the case, then the R class will never see a surface action thanks to just about every IJN SCTF bristling with torpedoes.

BBfanboy -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (6/29/2021 2:07:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mind_messing quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe Picking a commander for my Wellingtons. They will be with me the whole war, so I want a decent one although only most of the skills are very hard to measure. Primary activity will be night bombing. I doubt it does much, but I want a high land skill. Good inspiration, medium to low aggression, good leadership. Who would you chose? And I want to know what it is that you're smoking! [:D] C'mon guys! He obviously means in addition to Air Skill, he wants Land Skill in case it makes a difference in Ground Attack or Airfield/Port attacks.

BBfanboy -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (6/29/2021 2:12:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe Picking a commander for my Wellingtons. They will be with me the whole war, so I want a decent one although only most of the skills are very hard to measure. Primary activity will be night bombing. I doubt it does much, but I want a high land skill. Good inspiration, medium to low aggression, good leadership. Who would you chose? I would see if I could find their overall Experience as pilots and include that in my decision. Aggressiveness around 54 seems reasonable. I think inspiration is very important for maintenance of morale in the face of losses. I am not sure but higher Admin skill might get replacement aircraft or pilots sooner. I know the HQ and airbase size and supply enter into the replacements equation, I just think Admin means the guy can "work the system" efficiently.

mind_messing -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (6/29/2021 2:18:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BBfanboy quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe Picking a commander for my Wellingtons. They will be with me the whole war, so I want a decent one although only most of the skills are very hard to measure. Primary activity will be night bombing. I doubt it does much, but I want a high land skill. Good inspiration, medium to low aggression, good leadership. Who would you chose? I would see if I could find their overall Experience as pilots and include that in my decision. Aggressiveness around 54 seems reasonable. I think inspiration is very important for maintenance of morale in the face of losses. I am not sure but higher Admin skill might get replacement aircraft or pilots sooner. I know the HQ and airbase size and supply enter into the replacements equation, I just think Admin means the guy can "work the system" efficiently. For pilots that are also leaders, I wouldn't imagine their EXP would factor in to the consideration. Average pilot EXP has always seemed very important to me, especially in night bombing scenarios. Replacement pilots are player controlled. Replacement aircraft are limited to 23/week. I don't put much value on aggressiveness for bomber squadrons on ground bombing duties, it's the naval attack and fighter squadrons that I want the real fire-eaters for. I've always seen leadership, Inspiration and Admin as the key skills for air co-ordination, but I'd never pick specifically for those for bomber squadrons. I'd rather have the skilled paper-pusher at the Air HQ level.

RangerJoe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (6/29/2021 2:55:24 PM)
The problem with leaders who are also pilots is that you do not know what type of aircraft that they are trained on. Having a fighter pilot command a bomber unit . . . [8\|]

Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (6/29/2021 4:14:16 PM)
Some interesting ideas there on the influence of air leader skills.[:)]

Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (6/29/2021 9:41:34 PM)
April 27th, 1942 Japan has no bombers in the area, at least that I can spot, so we stick around for the daylight bombardment and do good work. [image]local://upfiles/44178/6BA67AE458EE41D39F8C071DE075F4A0.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (6/29/2021 9:44:06 PM)
Japan attacks...these guys are merely buying time to allow the anti-tank guns and Stuarts to arrive south of Ankang. Need supplies here. [image]local://upfiles/44178/737BA9CDEFA24F35A254B102B1460127.jpg[/image] Ground combat at 83,45 (near Nanyang) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 30245 troops, 281 guns, 397 vehicles, Assault Value = 1005 Defending force 24482 troops, 123 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 781 Japanese adjusted assault: 847 Allied adjusted defense: 1576 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 187 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 21 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Allied ground losses: 377 casualties reported Squads: 2 destroyed, 79 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled Guns lost 13 (1 destroyed, 12 disabled) Assaulting units: 13th Tank Regiment 3rd Tank Regiment 8th Ind Engineer Regiment 15th Tank Regiment 15th Division 12th Tank Regiment 116th Division 10th Tank Regiment 13th Army 51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion 11th Field Artillery Regiment Defending units: 55th Chinese Corps 41st Chinese Corps 77th Chinese Corps

Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (6/29/2021 10:04:03 PM)
As near as I can tell, awaiting recon on Charters Towers, but Japan has a scant 100 fighters protecting the coast, and this day a large percent of them flew LRCAP missions.... A lot of Japanese destroyers, light and heavy cruisers in the area! If Bowen empties, we could paratroop drop into there... Not much reinforcements for Japan at Townsville either. [image]local://upfiles/44178/54A88E86B0054B5191D34D93184A590F.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (6/29/2021 10:06:25 PM)
Our hard working junk fleet fled Manila, only to be attacked by sea and air.... Not bad losses on the Airacobras. [image]local://upfiles/44178/7393C3A6CD7449BAB883F78F5678F3FF.jpg[/image]

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