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Roger Neilson -> The Ne(i)lson touch (11/25/2005 7:20:50 PM)
Ok, this is an AAR between myself and String. We will each run our own threads and they will be off limits to each other. Please if you comment don't betray information we would not have. I've played about 2 hours worth of the game in total, so expect some 'interesting' errors. I also am allergic to reading manuals so this will probably be an object lesson in how to make a total mess of things. However my preferrred learning style is learning by mistakes so here goes. The settings are: Scenario Pacific Jutland Settings: ON - Sub doctrines, FOW, Adv weather, Player def Upg, all Game Options, Reinforcements fixed, 1 Day turn cycle, Non historical start..[sm=00000436.gif] Roger [image]local://upfiles/4633/2AD1847E54554A299F658752F8865750.gif[/image]

CMDRMCTOAST -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/25/2005 8:42:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Roger Neilson Ok, this is an AAR between myself and String. We will each run our own threads and they will be off limits to each other. Please if you comment don't betray information we would not have. I've played about 2 hours worth of the game in total, so expect some 'interesting' errors. I also am allergic to reading manuals so this will probably be an object lesson in how to make a total mess of things. However my preferrred learning style is learning by mistakes so here goes. The settings are: Scenario Pacific Jutland Settings: ON - Sub doctrines, FOW, Adv weather, Player def Upg, all Game Options, Reinforcements fixed, 1 Day turn cycle, Non historical start..[sm=00000436.gif] Roger [image]local://upfiles/4633/2AD1847E54554A299F658752F8865750.gif[/image] You don't need bloody manuals with a guiness stout in your hand once a half dozen of those babies are down he doesn't stand a chance...

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/25/2005 8:47:29 PM)
Initial Japanese Plans and philosophy At the start the Japanese hold most of the bases with large points scores and these need to be held. However in holding them alone the points difference is in the Allies favour at 913/1161. It seems to me that we need to redress this by taking some bases, whilst not losing any, but in itself, even if we were to take every base there is not a lot of points to be gained. On the other hand the prestige of running the tired old imperialists out of Asia would be massive. Points are really there for the taking in sinking and damaging the enemy fleets. An example of this would be the sinking of 3 Allied BBs would be more than the equivalent of taking Hong Kong. Our intelligence suggests that their combined fleets are weaker than ours, and that at present they are dispersed. If they are to succeed in their war they will be likely to seek to concentrate at one point and try to force a decisive battle on a part of our fleet, then follow up with invasion of one or more of our bases. To counter this we have studied the map carefully and note that the area can almost be considered a closed sea in which we will clash, bounded by land masses. We will therefore seek to establish forward scouting forces to warn of their intentions and to concentrate our own dreadnoughts centrally so that we can put them with massive force wherever is appropriate. The only problem with this is my support personnel at Naval HQ have not yet had the time to predict how long we can stay at sea and there is not a central base where we can sit and await their approach. We do feel that a detour by some forces to Hong Kong from Formosa is worthwhile, we know that the enemy has a small but powerful fleet presence there and if he does not withdraw these we can overwhelm him prior to joining up with our main fleet in the central South China Sea. So, the details of Operation ‘Bow’ TF6 from Pescadores to sail to Hong Kong. 6 BBs, 5 CAs, 9 DDs under the command of VADM Yamamoto. Objective to destroy the Allied warships there then rv with main forces in South China Sea. TF7 from Pescadores to 4 CLs, 4 DDs under RADM Aihara sail to west of Hong Kong and intercept any shipping heading for port . TF8 from Pescadores 7 DDs and 2 MSWs to sail to SW of Hong Kong then to split into smaller picket Tfs to form advance guard warning of allied approaches. Tainan forces to remain at anchor as mobile reserve scouting forces as situation develops TF9 from Takao 2 BBs 4 BCs 1 CA 7 DDs under CPT Shibuya to sail to RV at 41.47 with main fleet. Taichu shipping to await developments TF4 under 5 BBs 3 DDs under Cpt Sakai to sail from outside of Lingayen to 41.47 TF2 25 Subs to sail in direction of 38.50 once out at sea to split into smaller Tfs and form advanced picket line TF1 4 BBs 3 DDs under CPT Matsubara from Lingayen to sail to 41.47 to RV with main fleet TF3 7 CLs 3 DDs under CPT Obayashi to sail to 37.50 to watch allied possible approach to TayTay TF10 UB Class Subs from Manila under CDR Handa to sail to west of TayTay to intercept shipping attacking from West. TF11 10 Subs under LCDR Kashiwagi from Manila to sail to 2 hexes west of Manila TF12 10 Subs from Manila under LCDR Kinashi to sail to 39.50 and then to split into smaller hunting packs TF13 1 CV 1 CA 3 CL under RADM Tomusaki to sail from Manila to 41.49 to act as scout for any hostile forces in that vicinity. TF14 at San Jose 4 DDs under CDR Minowa to be on reaction standby here of 6 hexes TF15 at TayTay 2 CA, 4 CL 5 DD under CPT Koizumi to be on standby here of 6 hexes TF 5 at TayTay 3 CA 3 DD under CPT Kasai to be on standby here of 6 hexes TF 16 at TayTay 2 CL, 9 DD under RADM Tanaka to sail to 31, 53 to make a nuisance of themselves! Mitsubish Torpedo bombers to move from Clark to Lingayen – pity they don’t have the range to make TayTay! TF17 2ML to sail from Lingayen to mine approaches to Manila Ok, as you will see almost everything done is moving the fleet about. Land and support shipping can wait a move or two until I see what is developing… I hope. Move completed, sent off. Roger [image]local://upfiles/4633/DCEEBEE38F8041A786004939D482361D.gif[/image]

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/25/2005 10:23:21 PM)
Day 1 Straight away a sub catches one of my CLs. The Hirado gets 29 float and 21 fire damage from one torpedo off Hong Kong. Its detached from TF7 and making its way back to Pescadores. My escorts couldn’t locate the sub (SSK-14) so it gets away. TF2 splits now its at sea and individual subs spread away from the point to all areas. Hopefully we’ll catch a few of his ships this way. TF12 continues as a group and we will watch how the dispersal of TF2 goes before doing the same with the other sub wolfpack TF43 sub is formed from half of TF11 and thus the spread continues outwards. They will patrol the Sulu Sea and guard the southern flank of Manila approaches TF7 moving south of Hainan to watch reinfrocemnts coming towards Hong Kong. Overall not a lot to do. The lack of scouting planes means there are vast areas of sea where he could be and I have no idea yet…. Hopefully the same applies to him. [sm=party-smiley-012.gif] Roger [image]local://upfiles/4633/0CC807F56002463C8FDF582361422901.gif[/image]

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/26/2005 12:30:29 AM)
Move 2 - a bad day for the Imperial navy SSk3 hits CL Abukama with a torpedo north of Brunei. Night engagement rages between fleets at Hong Kong. Ranges vary between 2000 and 10000 yards. British ships are more heavily armoured it would seem, indeed some of the Jap Bbs are hardly Bbs really! Overall a complete disaster for the Japanese who, on paper had a stronger fleet in terms of numbers, in terms of Bbs…. But who were resoundingly defeated by more heavily armoured ships which were also far more accurate in their fire controls. On the plus side, if there is one, BBs Ajax, Centurion and Conqueror all took significant shell hits and all had torpedo strikes. What was significant was that the other BBs they had in their TF were not damaged at all, whereas all my ships had some hits on them. All in all, as I said, a mess! Ok, what to do. The defeated fleet that sailed so proudly out to destroy the forces at Hong Kong are now split into three Tfs heading back to base at the Pescadores. BB Suwo and CA Ibuki are massively damaged and will not make it I think with float damage of 83 and 93 respectively. BBs Mikasa, Hizen, Iwami and Okinoshima will get back but will need significant repairs that will remove them from this scenario I’d say. The result of this is we are determined to finish the job before they can be reinforced. TFs 1, 4 &9 will rv near Hong Kong and reorganise, then they will head in and destroy the remaining British fleet there. We have found them, now we will pin and destroy them. This force has 11 Bbs and 4 BCs to combine into a mighty force to assault the four undamaged Bbs at Hong Kong. We feel we can achieve this before the other British and Dutch ships appear. TF 16 (raider Tf) will head towards Saigon in the belief that his capital ships have left and there may be easy pickings in merchant ships there. Otherwise the subs continue to disperse to find his main fleet. I do hope I am reading this right, otherwise it may be a very short game! [sm=party-smiley-012.gif] Roger [image]local://upfiles/4633/1FE7C65EDC794DF1B1D992383476FB30.gif[/image]

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/26/2005 12:49:44 AM)
BTW feel free to jump in and tell me how you'd have done this differently and achieved superb results.... I want to learn! Honest I do.... I won't be offended...... Well, not much... hardly at all..... [sm=00000018.gif] Roger anyway its the wine's fault!

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/26/2005 1:03:04 AM)
For those who like combat reports - otherwise skip this ! Round 1 of combat Night Time Surface Combat, near Hong Kong at 43,42 Japanese Ships CA Ibuki, Shell hits 3 CA Ikoma BB Kashima, Shell hits 1, on fire BB Katori, Shell hits 1 BB Mikasa BB Hizen, Shell hits 3 BB Iwami, Shell hits 1 BB Shikishima BB Asahi BB Fuji BB Okinoshima BB Mishishima BB Suwo CA Asama CA Tokiwa CA Yakumo DD No. 4 DD No. 6 DD No. 8, Shell hits 1 DD No. 10 DD No. 12, Shell hits 1 DD No. 16 DD No. 18 DD Enoki DD Nara Allied Ships BB King George V BB Ajax, Shell hits 1 BB Centurion BB Orion, Shell hits 1 BB Thunderer BB Conqueror BB Monarch DD Valentine, Shell hits 3 DD Valhalla, Shell hits 1 DD Swan DD Warrego DD Yarra Not a lot in it really! Round 2 of combat Night Time Surface Combat, near Hong Kong at 43,42 Japanese Ships CA Ibuki, Shell hits 5, on fire CA Ikoma BB Kashima, on fire BB Katori, Shell hits 1 BB Mikasa, Shell hits 4 BB Hizen BB Iwami BB Shikishima, Shell hits 3 BB Asahi BB Fuji BB Okinoshima, Shell hits 5, on fire BB Mishishima, Shell hits 1 BB Suwo, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage ( Damn) CA Asama CA Tokiwa CA Yakumo DD No. 4, Shell hits 1 DD No. 6 DD No. 8 DD No. 10, Shell hits 12, and is sunk (yes, well, blown out of the water really) DD No. 12 DD No. 16 DD No. 18 DD Enoki DD Nara Allied Ships BB King George V, Shell hits 1 BB Ajax, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 1, on fire (Banzaiiiii) BB Centurion, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1 (Banzaiii) BB Orion BB Thunderer BB Conqueror, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 1 (Banzaiiii) BB Monarch DD Valentine DD Valhalla DD Swan DD Warrego DD Yarra, Shell hits 1, on fire Round 3 of combat Night Time Surface Combat, near Hong Kong at 43,42 Japanese Ships CA Ibuki, Shell hits 5, on fire CA Ikoma BB Kashima, on fire BB Katori, Shell hits 1 BB Mikasa, Shell hits 4 BB Hizen BB Iwami BB Shikishima, Shell hits 3 BB Asahi BB Fuji BB Okinoshima, Shell hits 5, on fire BB Mishishima, Shell hits 1 BB Suwo, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage ( she won’t survive) CA Asama CA Tokiwa CA Yakumo DD No. 4, Shell hits 1 DD No. 6 DD No. 8 DD No. 10, Shell hits 12, and is sunk (already reported) DD No. 12 DD No. 16 DD No. 18 DD Enoki DD Nara Allied Ships BB King George V, Shell hits 1 BB Ajax, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 1, on fire BB Centurion, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1 BB Orion BB Thunderer BB Conqueror, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 1 BB Monarch DD Valentine DD Valhalla DD Swan DD Warrego DD Yarra, Shell hits 1, on fire Round 4 of combat Night Time Surface Combat, near Hong Kong at 43,42 Japanese Ships CA Ibuki, Shell hits 24, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage CA Ikoma, Shell hits 2, on fire BB Kashima, on fire BB Katori BB Mikasa, on fire BB Hizen, Shell hits 1, on fire BB Iwami, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 2 (Damn… actually looking at the damage not too bad) BB Shikishima BB Asahi BB Fuji BB Okinoshima, on fire BB Mishishima BB Suwo, on fire, heavy damage CA Asama CA Tokiwa CA Yakumo DD No. 4 DD No. 6 DD No. 8 DD No. 12 DD No. 16 DD No. 18, Shell hits 1 DD Enoki DD Nara Allied Ships BB Iron Duke, Shell hits 7, on fire BB Benbow BB Marlborough BB Empress of India BB Erin, Shell hits 8 BB Canada DD Torbay, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Tourmaline DD Tomahawk Maybe not soooo bad really... but I have had a bottle of red! Roger

Alikchi2 -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/26/2005 1:04:18 AM)
It sounds to me like you used your pre-dreadnaughts (Mikasa, Hizen, Iwami, and Okinoshima are all pre-dreads) against his normal BBs and got a whomping. [X(] I think all the BBs that start at Pescadores in this scenario are pre-dreadnaughts. It looks like you have a good counter plan to me though! (Nice map btw) He has to keep BBs at Hong Kong to protect the place. Which means that they won't be hard to find and sink [8D] Edit: Looking at the AAR, yep, dreadnaughts versus pre-dreadnaughts.. You actually did pretty well [:)] More than I'd expect out of them anyways!

Terminus -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/26/2005 1:05:57 AM)
Providing of course, that you can mass sufficient numbers of modern Japanese battleships against the RN. Like you said, the Japanese pre-dreadnoughts aren't worth much ship-to-ship.

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/26/2005 1:29:09 AM)
Day 3 Bbs Renown, Repulse and Hood chase damaged Bb and Ca from Hong Kong and finish them off. Otherwise no action at all. TF7, west of Hong Kong moving towards Camranh Bay, mix of CA. CL and DD hoping to get in behind his fleet which we assume is out there somewhere. TF1 10 BBs and 4 BCs plus DD support now combined and 2 hexes south of Hong Kong heading there…. Fireworks next move I’m sure. TF9 DDs and MSW also heading there acing as screening force. TF6, reformed and resupplied at Pescadores now moves to join the fight at Hong Kong. Damaged ships from first Hong Kong battle will have to languish at Pescadores, there is no shipyard to repair them in this scenario! Time to hang onto your seat folks! [:'(] Roger [image]local://upfiles/4633/13832CD094D148CEB7AD121375DC225A.jpg[/image]

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/26/2005 1:33:03 AM)
Well everything I have is heading that way this go....... Fingers crossed! Roger

FDRLincoln -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/26/2005 1:50:14 AM)
If you have any Japanese submarines undeployed, especially the very short-range ones, you might consider setting up some harbor defense submarine patrols, around Manila and possibly Taytay. I had the British AI come in and whack me with shore bombardment at Taytay, but a small Japanese sub put a couple of torpedoes into Glorious as a payback. Also consider defensive minefields.

Terminus -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/26/2005 1:53:41 AM)
The humble Shimose 5 mine can do an amazing amount of damage to British battlecruisers. At one point, the Hood had over 50 system damage from one mine strike.

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/26/2005 9:39:13 AM)
Warning – extreme scenes of violence contained – and sounds of a grown man crying! Not for the faint hearted. As predicted, the fleets engage at Hong Kong. And its not as expected. 14 BBs and BCs of mine tangle with 5 of his BBs. I keep getting belt armour hits that bounce off, he keeps penetrating. After two rounds the engagement ends. 1. Night Time Surface Combat, near Hong Kong at 43,42 Japanese Ships BB Tosa BB Kaga, Shell hits 14, on fire, heavy damage BB Nagato BB Mutsu, Shell hits 5, on fire BB Ise, Shell hits 3 BB Hyuga BB Fuso, Shell hits 2 BB Yamashiro BB Settsu BC Kongo, Shell hits 1 BC Hiei BC Kirishima BC Haruna BB Aki BB Satsuma CA Kurama DD No.1 DD No.3 DD No.5 DD Amatsukaze DD Isokaze DD Tokitsukaze DD Hamakaze DD Kawakaze Allied Ships BB Benbow, Shell hits 1 BB Marlborough BB Empress of India BB Erin, Shell hits 6 BB Canada, Shell hits 2 DD Tourmaline, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Vega DD Vendetta DD Vivacious DD Vivien --------------------------------------------------------- 2. Night Time Surface Combat, near Hong Kong at 43,42 Japanese Ships BB Tosa BB Kaga, on fire, heavy damage BB Nagato BB Mutsu, Shell hits 2, on fire BB Ise BB Hyuga BB Fuso BB Yamashiro BB Settsu BC Kongo BC Hiei BC Kirishima BC Haruna BB Aki, Shell hits 1 BB Satsuma CA Kurama DD No.1 DD No.3 DD No.5 DD Amatsukaze DD Isokaze DD Tokitsukaze DD Hamakaze DD Kawakaze Allied Ships BB King George V BB Centurion BB Orion BB Thunderer, Shell hits 1 BB Monarch DD Valhalla DD Swan, Shell hits 9, and is sunk DD Warrego, Shell hits 11, and is sunk DD Yarra DD Vortigern I am puzzled by how few hits I get – any ideas guys? --------------------------------------------------------------- Then surprise, a new force, one BB plus supports appears to take on my fleet. This round is not very dramatic. 1.Night Time Surface Combat, near Hong Kong at 43,42 Japanese Ships BB Tosa BB Kaga, on fire, heavy damage BB Nagato BB Mutsu, on fire BB Ise BB Hyuga BB Fuso BB Yamashiro BB Settsu BC Kongo BC Hiei BC Kirishima BC Haruna BB Aki BB Satsuma, Shell hits 1 CA Kurama DD No.1 DD No.3 DD No.5 DD Amatsukaze DD Isokaze DD Tokitsukaze DD Hamakaze DD Kawakaze Allied Ships BB Agincourt DD Verdun DD Versatile, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DD Vesper, Shell hits 3, on fire DD Vidette DD Vimiera DD Vimy DD Violent 2. Night Time Surface Combat, near Hong Kong at 43,42 Japanese Ships BB Tosa BB Kaga, on fire, heavy damage BB Nagato BB Mutsu, on fire BB Ise BB Hyuga BB Fuso BB Yamashiro BB Settsu BC Kongo BC Hiei BC Kirishima BC Haruna BB Aki BB Satsuma, Shell hits 1 CA Kurama DD No.1 DD No.3 DD No.5 DD Amatsukaze DD Isokaze DD Tokitsukaze DD Hamakaze DD Kawakaze Allied Ships BB Agincourt DD Verdun DD Versatile, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DD Vesper, Shell hits 3, on fire DD Vidette DD Vimiera DD Vimy DD Violent ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Elsewhere a CA/ CL battle occurs outside of TayTay 1. Night Time Surface Combat, near Taytay at 39,53 Japanese Ships CA Kasuga CA Nisshin CL Nagara CL Isuzu CL Natori CL Yuru DD Hokaze DD Tachikaze DD Umikaze DD Yamakaze DD Kaba DD Matsu Allied Ships CL Castor CL Champion, Shell hits 3 TB Z1 TB Z2 TB Z3 TB Z4 TB Z5 TB Z6 TB Z7 TB Z8 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2. Night Time Surface Combat, near Taytay at 39,53 Japanese Ships CA Kasuga, Shell hits 10, Torpedo hits 1, on fire CA Nisshin CL Nagara CL Isuzu, Shell hits 1 CL Natori, Shell hits 2 CL Yuru DD Hokaze DD Tachikaze, Shell hits 1 DD Umikaze DD Yamakaze, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage DD Kaba DD Matsu Allied Ships CL Castor, Shell hits 11, Torpedo hits 1 CL Champion, Shell hits 9 TB Z1 TB Z2 TB Z3, Shell hits 1 TB Z4, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage TB Z5 TB Z6 TB Z7 TB Z8 3. Night Time Surface Combat, near Taytay at 39,53 Japanese Ships CL Tenryu CL Tatsuta CL Kuma CL Tama CL Kitakami CL Oi CL Kiso DD Minekaze DD Sawakaze DD Okikaze Allied Ships CL Castor CL Champion TB Z1 TB Z2 TB Z3 TB Z4, on fire, heavy damage TB Z5 TB Z6 TB Z7 TB Z8 4. Night Time Surface Combat, near Taytay at 39,53 Japanese Ships CL Tenryu, Shell hits 1 CL Tatsuta, Shell hits CL Kuma, Shell hits 1 CL Tama CL Kitakami, Shell hits 1 CL Oi CL Kiso DD Minekaze DD Sawakaze DD Okikaze Allied Ships CL Castor, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk CL Champion, Shell hits 3 TB Z1 TB Z2 TB Z3 TB Z4, and is sunk??????? TB Z5, Shell hits 2, on fire TB Z6 TB Z7, Shell hits 2, on fire TB Z8 He has sent a force off in pursuit of my damaged Bbs from the first HK attack, the encounter occurs just West of Formosa Night Time Surface Combat at 47,44 Japanese Ships CA Ikoma BB Kashima BB Mikasa BB Hizen, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage (OUCH) BB Iwami BB Okinoshima CL Hirado DD No. 4 DD No. 18 Allied Ships CL Courageous CL Glorious CL Effingham CL Frobisher CL Hawkins DD Tomahawk DD Vanquisher DD Venetia DD Vectis DD Velox DD Viceroy, Shell hits 1 DD Viscount Then back to HK…. Main fleet encounters CA TF that attacked mine off Formosa returning to base. I extract some revenge and start to think things are going my way. 1. Day Time Surface Combat, near Hong Kong at 43,42 Japanese Ships BB Tosa, Shell hits 5 BB Nagato, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage BB Mutsu, Shell hits 9, on fire BB Ise, Shell hits 4 BB Hyuga, Shell hits 6 BB Fuso, Shell hits 5 BB Yamashiro, Shell hits 3 BB Settsu, Shell hits 1 BC Kongo, Shell hits 1 BC Hiei, Shell hits 1 BC Kirishima, Shell hits 2 BC Haruna, Shell hits 3 BB Aki, Shell hits 2 BB Satsuma CA Kurama DD No.1, Shell hits 1 DD No.3 DD No.5 DD Amatsukaze DD Isokaze DD Tokitsukaze DD Hamakaze, Shell hits 2 Allied Ships CL Courageous, Shell hits 18, and is sunk CL Glorious, Shell hits 6, on fire CL Effingham, Shell hits 5 CL Frobisher, Shell hits 8, on fire CL Hawkins, Shell hits 22, on fire, heavy damage DD Tomahawk, Shell hits 8, and is sunk DD Vanquisher, Shell hits 6, and is sunk DD Venetia, Shell hits 5, and is sunk DD Vectis, Shell hits 1 DD Velox, Shell hits 15, and is sunk DD Viceroy, Shell hits 11, and is sunk DD Viscount, Shell hits 9, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2. Day Time Surface Combat, near Hong Kong at 43,42 Japanese Ships DD Tanikaze, Shell hits 1 DD Hakaze, Shell hits 4, and is sunk DD Yakaze, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage DD Nadakaze DD No. 2, Shell hits 1 DD Aoi, Shell hits 1, and is sunk DD Hagi MSW Yudachi, Shell hits 1, and is sunk DD Shigure DD Hatsuharu, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DD Hayakaze DD Shiratsuyu, Shell hits 2, and is sunk DD Shirayuki, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage DD Matsukaze DD Urukaze MSW Ashikazi Maru, on fire Allied Ships CL Glorious, Shell hits 24, on fire, heavy damage CL Effingham, Shell hits 13, on fire, heavy damage CL Frobisher, Shell hits 14, and is sunk CL Hawkins, Shell hits 17, and is sunk DD Vectis, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk But then, just as it looks a little better my DD scout force finds and does not run away from his BBs…. 1. Day Time Surface Combat, near Hong Kong at 43,42 Japanese Ships DD Tanikaze, Shell hits 5, and is sunk DD Yakaze, Shell hits 1, and is sunk DD Nadakaze, Shell hits 24, and is sunk DD No. 2, Shell hits 31, and is sunk DD Hagi, Shell hits 4, and is sunk DD Shigure, Shell hits 2, and is sunk DD Hatsuharu, Shell hits 2, and is sunk DD Hayakaze, Shell hits 7, and is sunk DD Shirayuki, and is sunk DD Matsukaze, Shell hits 13, and is sunk DD Urukaze, Shell hits 2, and is sunk MSW Ashikazi Maru, Shell hits 4, and is sunk Allied Ships BB King George V, Shell hits BB Centurion, Shell hits 6 BB Orion, Shell hits 4 BB Thunderer, Shell hits 2 BB Monarch, Shell hits 1 DD Valhalla, Shell hits 2, on fire DD Yarra DD Vortigern, Shell hits 2, on fire Ok, but his DDs run into my BBs…. Can you spot any difference in the results? I can! Day Time Surface Combat, near Hong Kong at 43,42 Japanese Ships BB Tosa BB Nagato, on fire, heavy damage BB Mutsu, on fire BB Ise BB Hyuga BB Fuso BB Yamashiro BB Settsu BC Kongo BC Hiei BC Kirishima BC Haruna BB Aki, on fire BB Satsuma CA Kurama DD No.1 DD No.3 DD No.5 DD Amatsukaze DD Isokaze DD Tokitsukaze DD Hamakaze Allied Ships BB Agincourt DD Verdun DD Vidette DD Vimiera, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Vimy DD Violent So at this point I’m a bit glum, a bit sad. A bit regretful. Remember that raiding CL Tf I sent to Saigon…. Well….Damn the Brits are still at Saigon…. Day Time Surface Combat, near Saigon at 31,46 Japanese Ships CL Kinu, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage DD Yukaze, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage DD Kashiwa, Shell hits 3, and is sunk DD Katsura, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Kaede, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage DD Kiri, Shell hits 5, and is sunk DD Kusunoki, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Umi, Shell hits 2, on fire DD Sakaki, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage DD Sugi, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships BC Tiger, Shell hits 2 BC Lion, Shell hits 2 BC Princess Royal, Shell hits 2 BC Australia, Shell hits 3 BC New Zealand, Shell hits 2 BC Indomitable, Shell hits 2 DD Torch DD Turquoise, Shell hits 1 DD Tyrian, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage DD Vanessa -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Saigon at 31,46 Japanese Ships CL Kinu, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage DD Yukaze, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage DD Kashiwa, Shell hits 3, and is sunk DD Katsura, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Kaede, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage DD Kiri, Shell hits 5, and is sunk DD Kusunoki, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Umi, Shell hits 2, on fire DD Sakaki, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage DD Sugi, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships BC Tiger, Shell hits 2 BC Lion, Shell hits 2 BC Princess Royal, Shell hits 2 BC Australia, Shell hits 3 BC New Zealand, Shell hits 2 BC Indomitable, Shell hits 2 DD Torch DD Turquoise, Shell hits 1 DD Tyrian, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage DD Vanessa -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Saigon at 31,46 Japanese Ships CL Kinu, and is sunk DD Yukaze, Shell hits 10, and is sunk DD Katsura, Shell hits 2, and is sunk DD Kaede, Shell hits 2, and is sunk DD Kusunoki, Shell hits 9, and is sunk DD Umi, Shell hits 7, and is sunk DD Sakaki, Shell hits 4, and is sunk DD Sugi, Shell hits 10, and is sunk Allied Ships BC Tiger BC Lion BC Princess Royal, Shell hits 1 BC Australia BC New Zealand BC Indomitable, Shell hits 1 DD Torch DD Turquoise, on fire DD Tyrian, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DD Vanessa Tanaka goes down with his ships If I was a bit sad before what am I now??????????? Ok, next moves in my ‘masterplan’. TF3 moves to guard Manila, 7CLs & 3 DDs TF13 Air Combat will move to investigate sightings of Allied ships west Hong Kong outcome, one BB is crippled – Nagato 86/32/37 and two others are battling fires and sys damage over 30 Mutsu and Aki. The others are actually hardly touched so remain for another day of pounding, except they will be joined by another 5 BB TF. I’m going to stay here and finish this – to run now would be to lose face and also to have thrown some good ships away. I know a major part of his fleet is still in Saigon (pause to recall the total destruction of Tanaka’s command – note don’t do that again!) so I still can overwhelm him at Hong Kong – we shall see. Quite why we did so badly again I don’t know, ok not many ships had damage, but his BBs seem to be able to shrug off damage still. I have to say I love the new Sub routines….. sub is rattled…… sub leaking water on starboard! Despite the dreadful move and the massive loss of ships I’m having fun….. but nothing like the fun String will be having when he wakes up and runs this turn! [8\|]Roger [image]local://upfiles/4633/5FDCD11A08854C4DB5A408B382B59FD4.gif[/image]

steveh11Matrix -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/26/2005 10:46:11 AM)
Most entertaining, and you've got to admire the ability to maintain a sense of humour in the face of all that! How about a damage screen showing those battered BBs? Steve.

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/26/2005 10:55:20 AM)
As requested [image]local://upfiles/4633/31F19DEE933F4C8983CF485BDB6CE99F.gif[/image] I think this illustrates the FOW of the combat reports..... this lot are hardly touched Roger

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/26/2005 10:56:44 AM)
On the other hand [image]local://upfiles/4633/7316C6DCB61B4C6DB04102F0B0FE91F3.gif[/image] This group is okayish Roger

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/26/2005 10:57:54 AM)
Whilst here: [image]local://upfiles/4633/BD9092C499DD46A4990F7771A368C1DE.gif[/image]

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/26/2005 10:59:04 AM)
It gets worse [image]local://upfiles/4633/E2006A7225BD42DA9556DD31E58D9931.gif[/image]

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/26/2005 10:59:50 AM)
And worse [image]local://upfiles/4633/87D51AF30BF74DE182AB8E71700F80D9.gif[/image]

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/26/2005 11:00:35 AM)
and.... [image]local://upfiles/4633/2E816FA3C4D44BDEBDB126DBDCBF29F8.gif[/image]

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/26/2005 11:01:33 AM)
The overall picture, note the points gap developing and also the number of ships sunk in 3 days activity. [image]local://upfiles/4633/79AD8FF39DE74BCF8642527BDA711906.gif[/image]

steveh11Matrix -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/26/2005 11:09:29 AM)
Yes, but you only need to engage his BC - Hood, Renow, Repulse - and get a critical, and that points gap is closed. Courageous and Glorious have only bacofoil armour [:)] Remember, Despair is a sin![:-] Besides, this is too good an AAR..... Steve.

steveh11Matrix -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/26/2005 11:11:24 AM)
Ooh, yes, while I think about it - I normally say that the graphics only have to be functional to please me, but these screen are pretty, too. Well done Tanker! Steve.

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/26/2005 11:14:17 AM)
Thats some encouragment, I was beginning to think even his tugboats were invincible! Roger

Terminus -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/26/2005 12:16:26 PM)
Oh yeah, the Glorious and Courageous (two of Fisher's Follies) are, to use a technical term, crap.

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/26/2005 3:35:00 PM)
Day 4 Well it couldn’t get much worse I suppose, but it sure hasn’t got any better. Some combat reports dropped as they are boring……. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Hong Kong at 43,42 Round 1. Japanese Ships BB Katori BB Shikishima, Shell hits 1, on fire BB Asahi BB Fuji BB Mishishima CA Asama CA Tokiwa CA Yakumo DD No. 6 DD No. 8 DD No. 12 DD No. 16 Allied Ships BB Iron Duke, Shell hits 2 BB Benbow BB Marlborough, Shell hits 2 BB Empress of India BB Erin BB Canada BB Ajax DD Vega DD Vendetta DD Vivacious DD Vivien Round 2 Japanese Ships BB Katori BB Shikishima, Shell hits 14, and is sunk – magazine exploded BB Asahi, Shell hits 1 BB Fuji, Shell hits 1 BB Mishishima, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage CA Asama, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage CA Tokiwa, Shell hits 1 CA Yakumo DD No. 6 DD No. 8, Shell hits 1 DD No. 12, Shell hits 2 DD No. 16 Allied Ships BB Iron Duke, Shell hits 9, on fire, heavy damage – some consolation BB Benbow, Shell hits 1 BB Marlborough, Shell hits 7 BB Empress of India, Torpedo hits 1 – scratched her paint I bet! BB Erin BB Canada BB Ajax DD Vega DD Vendetta, Shell hits 4, on fire DD Vivacious, Shell hits 1 DD Vivien, Shell hits 1 Round 3 Japanese Ships BB Katori, Shell hits 1, on fire BB Asahi, Shell hits 1 BB Fuji BB Mishishima, on fire, heavy damage CA Asama, Shell hits 9, on fire, heavy damage CA Tokiwa, Shell hits 1 CA Yakumo DD No. 6 DD No. 8 DD No. 12 DD No. 16 Allied Ships BB Agincourt BB King George V BB Centurion BB Orion, Shell hits 1 BB Thunderer, Shell hits 2 BB Monarch, Shell hits 1 DD Yarra DD Verdun DD Vidette DD Vimy DD Violent Round 4 Japanese Ships BB Katori, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage BB Asahi BB Fuji BB Mishishima, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk – oh more joy! CA Asama, and is sunk CA Tokiwa, Shell hits 1, on fire CA Yakumo DD No. 6 DD No. 8 DD No. 12, Shell hits 1, on fire DD No. 16, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships BB Agincourt BB King George V BB Centurion BB Orion BB Thunderer, Shell hits 1 – hey one whole hit in that round!!!!!!!!!!!!! BB Monarch DD Yarra DD Verdun DD Vidette DD Vimy DD Violent -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 45,43 Japanese Ships BB Fuji, Torpedo hits 1, on fire as it limps back to base…… DD No. 8 DD No. 6 Allied Ships SS K-2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 43,43 Japanese Ships BB Katori, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage also limping back to base Allied Ships SS L-2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 38,51 Hey guys them funny plane things are attacking us! Whoever thought they’d be any use? Japanese aircraft Mitsubishi 1MF1 x 3 Allied aircraft Sopwith 2F1 Camel x 6 Sopwith Cuckoo x 5 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses Sopwith 2F1 Camel: 1 destroyed Japanese Ships CV Hosho Aircraft Attacking: 1 x Sopwith Cuckoo bombing at 4000 feet 4 x Sopwith Cuckoo bombing at 4000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Taytay at 39,53 Allied aircraft Fairey IIID x 3 Allied aircraft losses Fairey IIID: 1 damaged Japanese Ships CL Yuru Aircraft Attacking: 3 x Fairey IIID bombing at 1000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 38,51 Japanese aircraft Mitsubishi 1MF1 x 3 Allied aircraft Sopwith 2F1 Camel x 5 Sopwith Cuckoo x 5 Fairey IIID x 3 No Japanese losses No Allied losses Japanese Ships CA Iwate CV Hosho Aircraft Attacking: 1 x Sopwith Cuckoo bombing at 4000 feet 3 x Fairey IIID bombing at 1000 feet 4 x Sopwith Cuckoo bombing at 4000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat at 35,46 Japanese Ships CL Yahagi CL Tsushima CL Tsugaru DD Tsubaki DD Kuwa DD Nowaki DD Mikazuki Allied Ships DD Valkyrie DD Vanisttart DD Venomous DD Verity, Shell hits 1 DD Veteran DD Volunteer DD Wanderer DD Whitehall DD Whitshed DD Wild Swan DD Witherington Just from interest I counted up how many hits each side got this turn on the other’s ships….. Japan – 33 plus 1 torp Allied – 52 plus 1 torp Okay how would you handle the situation… this is my response TF57 formed at TayTay under Yamata. 4xCA 4xCL 8xDD. Looks like a force approaching from North West. TF1 is retiring to rearm and refuel, at least it hasn’t been badly damaged. I am relying on my subs now to spot and damage him as he inevitably senses a major strategic victory. DD Tfs are readied at all Formosan ports to resist what is likely to be raids by his ships. A shame TayTay doesn’t have an airfield yet, I could deploy my torpedo bombers there and cause his advancing fleet some problems. All in all its about how confident String is now, he knows that my ships have been badly damaged – he probably has a pretty low opinion of my ability (he’s not the only one) but he just may be wary as he’s seen how the combats can be quite unpredicatable. So, a waiting game? Ps I got really annoyed with all the html stuff to colour the text - so I thought if I did it in Word and copied it across it might keep its formatting - it didn't. Anyone know a way of doing this other than coding each line.... snore. I hate straight text combat reports copied... but life's too short to code everything. As usual a map for those like me who prefer visuals. Roger [8\|][8\|][8\|] [image]local://upfiles/4633/73A59E2EAF2C4AA58E14820999579EED.gif[/image]

Erik Rutins -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/26/2005 4:03:56 PM)
Roger, My sympathies on those sunk ships. Keep up the fight though, you never know when the dice will break your way!

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/26/2005 4:12:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins My sympathies on those sunk ships. Keep up the fight though, you never know when the dice will break your way! That will always be my hope.... even if its the last sub afloat! Its very interesting, if very frustrating. I have learned many things this way - reading manuals the words just go in one eye and out again. I think I rushed in too quickly, I should have assembled my fleet more carefully and put the best possible commander in charge. I also see that CLs, unlike in WITP cannot just charge around and cause mayhem. Subs can be lethal! Roger

Fishbed -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/26/2005 4:48:51 PM)
quote: he probably has a pretty low opinion of my ability (he’s not the only one) Do not say that, Sting and us know perfectly that we have absolutely no control over how things are going in any naval battles... We can't reproach you with having crappy ships or captains, can we? ;) But it worries me a little about the Kaigun efficiency in this game... Is the japanese player starting the Jutland scenario with little experience for his ships? Shouldn't it be raised a little and be over the british ships' one because of the prior invasion of Philippines and the probable fights that occured with the US Navy? btw I was surprised by your last screenshot. I needed a second to realize that the colour of the flag at Cam Ranh Bay was because of your colored layer - thought it had been invaded by Belgium. :D

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