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Bill Durrant -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/28/2005 1:34:30 AM)
I think Terminus wanted to point out he was from Denmark[;)]

Erik Rutins -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/28/2005 3:38:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Terminus I should very much like to point out in the strongest possible terms that I do not, in any way, shape or form, speak English with an American accent![:)] So are you saying you speak American with an English accent then? [;)] Regards, - Erik

Gem35 -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/28/2005 4:00:56 AM)
I speak English with a Chicago accent.[;)]

Captain Cruft -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/28/2005 4:15:47 AM)
What are the relative day/night experience levels?

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/28/2005 7:54:40 AM)
Not sure to which post you are referrring Captain... can you poiint me to the post and I'll see what the levels are next move. Roger

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/28/2005 8:40:41 AM)
Well.... he is up to something, but at present I have no idea what or where..... the map is completely devoid of any enemy forces at all. I will pprint the combat report in full this time so you don't miss any of the riveting action....... AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/14/24 No mistake, there was absoultely nothing happened. Roger [&:][&:][&:][&:]

Captain Cruft -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/28/2005 5:18:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Roger Neilson Not sure to which post you are referrring Captain... can you poiint me to the post and I'll see what the levels are next move. Roger Sorry. What I was getting at is perhaps there is a large difference between British and Japanese ship experience levels. That might explain your bad combat results. Or at least the lesser number of hits you seem to get. In generic WitP the Brit/Jap numbers are about the same. I wondered if they were different in WPO.

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/28/2005 8:47:50 PM)
Ok, looks like this is the pattern, a day or two of nothing, then frantic action, then a day or two of nothing.... maybe he keeps popping home for his tea and biscuits? AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/15/24 This time its Tainan that gets a visit. I'm seriously outgunned here. Night Time Surface Combat, near Tainan at 48,44 Japanese Ships BB Kashima, Shell hits 5, on fire BB Iwami, Shell hits 17, on fire, heavy damage BB Asahi, Shell hits 2 CA Yakumo DD No.5, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage DD No. 4 DD No. 6 DD No. 8 DD No. 18 DD Enoki, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Nara Allied Ships BC Hood, Shell hits 2, on fire BC Repulse, Shell hits 1 BC Renown, Shell hits 4 BC Tiger, hell hits 2 BC Lion BC Princess Royal, Shell hits 1 DD Tumult DD Tuscan, Shell hits 1 DD Vanessa DD Vanisttart DD Venomous DD Whitehall DD Whitshed DD Wild Swan DD Witherington 28 hits on me 11 on him, but several of those were penetrating hits that caused reported damage to Hood and Renown. Could have been worse, though I reckon Iwami has had it! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Tainan at 48,44 Now I had hopes that the Dds might sneak in and deliver their torps.... lots launched, but no hits! Japanese Ships DD Kaki DD Kuri, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage DD Tsuga DD Kagero DD Kiku DD Minazuki DD Hayate DD Kikuzuki DD Urunami DD Isonami DD Ayanami Allied Ships BC Hood, on fire BC Repulse BC Renown BC Tiger BC Lion, Shell hits 1 BC Princess Royal DD Tumult DD Tuscan DD Vanessa DD Vanisttart DD Venomous DD Whitehall, Shell hits 2 DD Whitshed DD Wild Swan, Shell hits 1 DD Witherington -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Tainan at 48,44 Japanese Ships DD Kaki DD Kuri, on fire, heavy damage DD Tsuga, Shell hits 1 DD Kagero DD Kiku DD Minazuki DD Hayate DD Kikuzuki DD Urunami DD Isonami DD Ayanami Allied Ships BC Hood, on fire BC Repulse BC Renown BC Tiger BC Lion BC Princess Royal DD Tumult DD Tuscan DD Vanessa DD Vanisttart DD Venomous DD Whitehall DD Whitshed DD Wild Swan DD Witherington So, what next? Well I predict the Pescadores will be next... and I wonder where his CV is... no sign of anything on the map at all. My southern Tfs at Taytay remain, one BB Tf holds at Manila. The Lingayen BB Tf moves north to try and catch him, and my CV loops round to see whats to the West of Formosa. Lets see what tomorrow brings? Cheers Roger [image]local://upfiles/4633/A3CC48E9155B43F1A5DE640BB61298CC.gif[/image]

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/28/2005 8:49:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Captain Cruft quote: ORIGINAL: Roger Neilson Not sure to which post you are referrring Captain... can you poiint me to the post and I'll see what the levels are next move. Roger Sorry. What I was getting at is perhaps there is a large difference between British and Japanese ship experience levels. That might explain your bad combat results. Or at least the lesser number of hits you seem to get. In generic WitP the Brit/Jap numbers are about the same. I wondered if they were different in WPO. I suspect not, but will need to look when I get a break formt he action. Judging from the hit ratios there may be something in that. Roger

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/28/2005 10:02:04 PM)
16/3/1924 Well, guess what, nothing happens again... Apart that is from me getting a CL in my sights near Hong Kong only to miss with both torpedoes and be attacked by its escorts. Interestingly the report said 2 hits and badly damaged.... when i looked on the screen its got 7 sys damage.... So, is he back in port to relaod then back out again... if so the next battle will be the night of the 17th i reckon and we have a pattern emerging. Cheers Roger

Fornadan -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/29/2005 4:18:32 AM)
Terminus probably speaks English with the same accent he speaks Norwegian - like someone speaking with his mouth full of porridge

Tankerace -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/29/2005 6:29:10 AM)
Excellent AAR. I love the maps you've done.

Terminus -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/29/2005 8:04:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fornadan Terminus probably speaks English with the same accent he speaks Norwegian - like someone speaking with his mouth full of porridge No, I don't.

Captain Cruft -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/29/2005 11:15:14 PM)
In my experience, Scandinavians get nearer to a perfect English accent than anyone apart from the Germans. Difficult to tell on a message board though ... lol.

Captain Cruft -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/29/2005 11:15:48 PM)
Anyone checked out the experience levels yet?

Alikchi2 -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/29/2005 11:46:05 PM)
I just had a look - both sides seem to average around 70 day experience, 20 night.

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/30/2005 12:26:38 AM)
I didn't want to, I didn't want to tell myself what I was up against! Morale is currently being bolstered by lots of alcohol, don't want to depress myeself further. Ok, next day brings what I predicted, nothing really. Well three of my subs who are way out near Singapore and Camranh Bay were detected and forced to dive deep to avoid attack, but no damage. And one of them got another CA in their sights and missed with torps. If String is running to timetable next move will see a major naval action at one of my ports... all three of my main ones have TFs in them, but none are strong enough to withstand a large force of his. To date he's tended to arrive with about 4/6 BBs with a few escorts. We shall see. Roger

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/30/2005 8:47:59 AM)
Well either I am a day out on estimations or Sting has changed his behaviour. No attacks anywhere and again no sightings of anything. My main activity is to move subs back out of Lingayen, some subs have dreadful ranges and have to pop into port every few days. I do think he is moving stuff forward from Camranh Bay to Hong Kong as that's been the only real sightings in the last few days. I've ordered my CV TF to investigate... they'll probably say its too windy to fly or something! I need to take stock of the situation, at present I'm weak and having to defend 3 places at once, but I may settle for assembling most stuff together and striking a killing blow - I suspect he also is spread out. Certainly things cannot stay as they are, he is well ahead on points so I will have to take a risk at some stage. Roger

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (11/30/2005 10:29:14 PM)
Okay still relatively quiet, but String has sneaked his CV up close to pescadores to scout and my CV force is now between him and his base. I fancy a CV battle so I have ordered what I hope is an intercept... I need a result here. During the night I manage to locate and finally strike with a torpedo. Sub attack at 42,42 Japanese Ships SS No. 46 Allied Ships BC New Zealand, Torpedo hits 1, on fire [&o] DD Wolverine DD Wessex I also am moving some of my subs back tp pescadores for refuelling, they may also come across the enemy CV TF.. [image]local://upfiles/4633/635AC92F58A04BA9AA10C05EB1F9AA86.gif[/image]

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/1/2005 12:24:08 AM)
Ok, I suggest you sit back and spend a bit of time on this one. certainly its eventful, I will say no more but let events unfold. If you are the impatinet type then you can always scroll down. AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/20/24 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 45,43 Japanese Ships SS No. 32 Allied Ships DD Valentine DD Venomous DD Whitehall DD Whitshed DD Wild Swan DD Witherington DD Vanessa DD Tuscan DD Tumult -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 45,43 Japanese Ships SS No. 32 Allied Ships DD Wessex DD Westminster DD Wivern -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 35,46 Japanese Ships SS No. 40 Allied Ships SC Ch107 SC Ch106 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Pescadores at 47,43 Japanese Ships SS No. 11 Allied Ships DD Verdun, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DD Violent DD Vimy DD Vidette DD Yarra ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Pescadores at 47,43 Japanese Ships SS No. 11 Allied Ships BB Marlborough, Torpedo hits 1, on fire[&o] DD Woolston DD Wolsey DD Volunteer DD Veteran DD Verity DD Torbay DD Vega DD Vivien DD Vivacious -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So just the usual jousting between ASW and subs..... But then out of the night at pescadores charges a DD squadron of the Royal Navy Night Time Surface Combat, near Pescadores at 47,43 Japanese Ships BB Mutsu, Shell hits 1 BB Aki, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1[:@] CA Ikoma, Shell hits 1 BB Asahi, Shell hits 3 BB Fuji, Shell hits 3,Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage BB Okinoshima CA Yakumo CL Hirado DD Hamakaze DD No. 4 DD No. 6 DD No. 8 DD No. 12 DD No. 18 DD Nara Allied Ships DD Wolfhound DD Wrestler, Shell hits 7, and is sunk DD Wryneck, Shell hits 8, on fire DD Vanisttart, Shell hits 3, on fire DD Wolverine -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Pescadores at 47,43 Japanese Ships BB Mutsu BB Aki CA Ikoma BB Asahi BB Fuji, on fire, heavy damage BB Okinoshima CA Yakumo CL Hirado DD Hamakaze DD No. 4 DD No. 6 DD No. 8 DD No. 12 DD No. 18 DD Nara Allied Ships DD Wolfhound DD Wryneck, on fire DD Vanisttart, on fire DD Wolverine, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk[:D] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Pescadores at 47,43 Japanese Ships BB Mutsu, Shell hits 1 BB Aki, Shell hits 1 CA Ikoma, Shell hits 4 BB Asahi BB Fuji, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage BB Okinoshima, Shell hits 1 CA Yakumo CL Hirado DD Hamakaze DD No. 4 DD No. 6 DD No. 8 DD No. 12 DD No. 18 DD Nara Allied Ships DD Wolfhound, Shell hits 3, on fire DD Wryneck, Shell hits 11, and is sunk[:D] DD Vanisttart, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk[:D] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Pescadores at 47,43 Japanese Ships BB Mutsu BB Aki CA Ikoma BB Asahi BB Fuji, on fire, heavy damage BB Okinoshima CA Yakumo CL Hirado DD Hamakaze DD No. 4 DD No. 6 DD No. 8 DD No. 12 DD No. 18 DD Nara Allied Ships DD Wolfhound, Shell hits 15, and is sunk[:D] Sooo - a bit annoying those two torps on my ships, but we sorted them out! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- But hang on, what are this lot up to? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1003 encounters mine field at Pescadores (47,43) Allied Ships DD Wolsey DD Volunteer DD Vivien DD Verity DD Torbay DD Veteran, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage (hahahahahaha!) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1010 encounters mine field at Pescadores (47,43) Allied Ships DD Wessex -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Pescadores at 47,43 Allied aircraft Fairey IIID x 3 Allied aircraft losses Fairey IIID: 1 damaged Japanese Ships BB Fuso Aircraft Attacking: 3 x Fairey IIID bombing at 1000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is what they were up to, clearing a path for this little lot! Day Time Surface Combat, near Pescadores at 47,43 Japanese Ships BB Mutsu, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage BB Aki, Shell hits 32, and is sunk CA Ikoma, Shell hits 3 BB Asahi, Shell hits 13, and is sunk BB Fuji, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage BB Okinoshima, Shell hits 19, on fire, heavy damage CA Yakumo, Shell hits 1 CL Hirado, Shell hits 2 DD Hamakaze, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage DD No. 4, Shell hits 14, and is sunk DD No. 6, Shell hits 1 DD No. 8 DD No. 12 DD No. 18, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage DD Nara Allied Ships BC Hood, Shell hits 2 BC Repulse BC Renown, Shell hits 5 BC Tiger, Shell hits 4, on fire BC Lion BC Princess Royal, Shell hits 2 BC Inflexible, Shell hits 5 DD Valentine, Shell hits 2 DD Tumult DD Tuscan, Shell hits 2, on fire DD Vanessa, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk DD Venomous, Shell hits 1 DD Whitehall DD Whitshed DD Wild Swan, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk DD Witherington, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Note hits on me are normally penetrating, hits on him are normally belt and non penetrating..... I have been crippled here. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Pescadores at 47,43 Japanese Ships DD Kaki DD Tsuga, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage DD Kagero, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Kiku, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage DD Minazuki, Shell hits 4, and is sunk DD Hayate, Shell hits 1 DD Kikuzuki, Shell hits 1, and is sunk DD Urunami, Shell hits 4, and is sunk DD Isonami, Shell hits 13, and is sunk DD Ayanami, Shell hits 1 Allied Ships BC Hood, Shell hits 6 BC Repulse, Shell hits 2 BC Renown, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire BC Tiger, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage BC Lion, Shell hits 2 BC Princess Royal, Shell hits 2 BC Inflexible, Shell hits 1 DD Valentine, Shell hits 2 DD Tumult, Shell hits 2 DD Tuscan, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage DD Venomous, Shell hits 2, on fire DD Whitehall, Shell hits 1 DD Whitshed DD Witherington, and is sunk Some payback I reckon -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Pescadores at 47,43 Japanese Ships BB Tosa, Shell hits 9, on fire BB Fuso, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage BB Settsu, Shell hits 18, on fire, heavy damage BC Kirishima, Shell hits 7, on fire BC Haruna CA Kurama DD No.3, Shell hits 1 DD Isokaze DD Kawakaze, Shell hits 4, and is sunk Allied Ships BB Benbow, Shell hits 16, on fire, heavy damage BB Empress of India, Shell hits 26, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage BB Erin, Shell hits 16, on fire BB Canada, Shell hits 12, on fire, heavy damage BB Ajax, Shell hits 17, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage (Later sinks) DD Torbay, Shell hits 10, and is sunk DD Vega, Shell hits 4, and is sunk DD Vivacious, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk DD Vivien, Shell hits 3, on fire DD Wolsey, Shell hits 18, and is sunk DD Verity, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Volunteer, Shell hits 3, and is sunk Some more payback I reckon but again the proportion of my hits bounce off the belt armour, his do not -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Pescadores at 47,43 Now how about this? Screen shot to follow........ Japanese Ships MSW Hibicki, Shell hits 6, and is sunk MSW Hatsuyuki, Shell hits 2, and is sunk AD Rekisan Maru, Shell hits 7, and is sunk MSW Katoku Maru, Shell hits 10, and is sunk MSW Natsushima Maru, Shell hits 6, and is sunk TK Amatsu Maru, Shell hits 9, and is sunk TK Arima Maru, Shell hits 8, and is sunk TK Azuma Maru, Shell hits 7, and is sunk TK Eiyo Maru, Shell hits 9, and is sunk TK Nissho Maru, Shell hits 24, and is sunk TK Nissyo Maru, heavy damage TK Ogura Maru #1 TK Ogura Maru #2 TK Ogura Maru #3 TK Ose TK Ryuei Maru TK Rikko Maru TK Sacramento Maru TK San Clemente Maru TK San Diego Maru TK San Luis Maru AP Arizona Maru AK Asahisan Maru AK Azumasan Maru AP Bokuyo Maru, Shell hits 7, and is sunk AP Buyo Maru AP Chojun Maru AP Haaburu Maru AP Hakusan Maru, Shell hits 19, and is sunk AP Hakuyo Maru AP Hokumyo Maru AP Hokutatsu Maru AP Izumo Maru, Shell hits 8, and is sunk AP Kaedesan Maru AP Kamikaze Maru, Shell hits 28, and is sunk AP Kamishima Maru AK Kanto Maru AK Katuragi Maru AP Keizan Maru AK Kenryu Maru AP Kiri Maru AP Kisaragi Maru AK Kiso Maru AP Kisogawa Maru AK Kitahuku Maru AP Kitano Maru AP Kiyama Maru AP Kiyoshima Maru AK Kiyosumi Maru AP Kiyozumi Maru AP Kizan Maru AK Koyu Maru, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage AK Kurama Maru AP La Plata Maru AK Maebasi Maru AK Mito Maru, Shell hits 10, and is sunk AP Ozan Maru, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage AP Syoryu Maru, Shell hits 44, and is sunk AP Taiyo Maru, Shell hits 19, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk AP Tama Maru AK Kaimei Maru, Shell hits 5, and is sunk AP Yamura Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire Allied Ships BB King George V, Shell hits 1 Thats almost 250 shell hits from one BB.... err is this right? See screen shot The ghost attack -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not satisfied the b**gers have another go.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Pescadores at 47,43 Japanese Ships BB Mutsu, Shell hits 32, and is sunk CA Ikoma, Shell hits 32, and is sunk BB Fuji, Shell hits 14, and is sunk BB Okinoshima, Shell hits 3, and is sunk CA Yakumo, Shell hits 41, on fire, heavy damage CL Hirado, Shell hits 24, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk DD Hamakaze, Shell hits 5, and is sunk DD No. 6, Shell hits 5, and is sunk DD No. 8, Shell hits 8, and is sunk DD No. 12, Shell hits 5, and is sunk DD No. 18, Shell hits 6, and is sunk DD Nara, Shell hits 3, and is sunk Allied Ships BB Royal Oak, Shell hits 4 BB Revenge, Shell hits 10 BB Royal Sovereign, Shell hits 11 BB Ramilles, Shell hits 14, on fire BC Australia, Shell hits 6 BC Indomitable, Shell hits 5 DD Wessex, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage DD Westminster, Shell hits 14, and is sunk DD Wivern, Shell hits 10, and is sunk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Pescadores at 47,43 Japanese Ships CA Yakumo, Shell hits 44, and is sunk Allied Ships BB Royal Oak BB Revenge BB Royal Sovereign, on fire BB Ramilles, on fire, heavy damage BC Australia BC Indomitable DD Wessex, and is sunk Can I point out that was the remaining ship from the previous round of combat. Again notice I actually scored more hits on the BBs and BCs than he did on mine, but again penetration counts... I seem to have trained my crews to deliberately aim at belt armour always. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Pescadores at 47,43 Japanese Ships BB Tosa, Shell hits 1, on fire BB Fuso, on fire, heavy damage BB Settsu, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage BC Kirishima, on fire BC Haruna CA Kurama DD No.3 DD Isokaze Allied Ships BB Royal Oak BB Revenge BB Royal Sovereign, Shell hits 1, on fire BB Ramilles, on fire, heavy damage BC Australia, Shell hits 2 Quite a tame final round! Soooo, some reactions. 1. I have never ever wtahced a turn as bloody as this in my life. Its a wonder I am still sane! 2. Anyone come up with a rational explanation for the differences in gunnery? 3. This is the way to kill things, send in multiple Tfs. I have emailed String the replay so he can enjoy it. I now have to consider what to do. The following reports will illustrate my situation. Roger [8\|] apologies, somewhere i there a stray 'don't turn off colour html was missed out, frankly I cannot be bothered to go look for it. Okay I went back in and found it. I wish there was a better way of editing this then dropping it into here, its a pain this system of html as its so primitve... maybe there is, if so can someone enlighten me? The ghost attack.... [image]local://upfiles/4633/B554EA675FA749C38DB77D6F1F76E783.gif[/image]

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/1/2005 12:30:12 AM)
Ok question 1, how would you feel now? This the sum total of my aflaot capital ships.... [image]local://upfiles/4633/4FAB81812A044CF4A40B70938A0429BC.gif[/image]

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/1/2005 12:31:18 AM)
Question 2. I fyou were the Allies and knew the above, how would you feel about the situation in Pescadores? [image]local://upfiles/4633/2A34DD93D9E045D6AB628AC7F608616F.gif[/image]

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/1/2005 12:32:26 AM)
Question 3. How would you face them with this force that is all i have left there? [image]local://upfiles/4633/EEC51CA720724EEBAEBDBF37241DAC38.gif[/image]

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/1/2005 12:35:31 AM)
Ok, it was a first game, and I frankly have been treating it a s a learnign experience. My feelings at the moment are that the experience has come to an end, or will soon do so. I'd be interested in others opinions of the worth of struggling on. I'd be even more interested in their opinions of either where I went wrong - so I can do better in future, and perhaps if they think there are issues with balance here. What strikes me throughout is the difference in hit power of the ships. String has siad elsewhere on this forum that he feels the scenario is somewhat unbalanced.... Ok, I look forward to your comments, feel free, the more the merrier. I will sleep on this and decide tomorrow what to do. Please do contribute. Roger

Erik Rutins -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/1/2005 4:58:13 AM)
Roger, My suggestion is to give it a few days to see if you can figure out how badly String was hurt. If it's clear that he won decisively, offer him terms. Then, play the scenario again with sides switched. [;)] Regards, - Erik

Tankerace -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/1/2005 5:09:21 AM)
quote: 1. I have never ever wtahced a turn as bloody as this in my life. Its a wonder I am still sane! 2. Anyone come up with a rational explanation for the differences in gunnery? 3. This is the way to kill things, send in multiple Tfs. 1. is good, I was hoping the fights would be bloody. Admirals make a difference. 2. I I'll bet that while in tests giving the Brits a slightly higher ROF reduced accuracy, here it seems to have backfired. Have tweaked for first patch. 3. Yes sir. 4 TFs of 2 BBs will do more than 1 TF of 8.

Tankerace -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/1/2005 5:13:23 AM)
As to the ghost attack, that seems to happen when a TF has over 26 ships. Also, 250 hits from KGV.... totalling her starting Ammo, she has 3 sets of Main Turrets each with 9 ammo, 2 sets of 4 inchers with 30 ammo, 1 set of 13pdrs and 1 of 3pdrs, each with 36 ammo, and a set of AA MGs with 36 Ammo. 36+36+36+30+30+9+9+9 = 195 hits, so some of that had to be FOW... unless it is rounds per gun, then it is over the 250.

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/1/2005 10:13:58 PM)
Ok, a night's sleep and some thinking and here we go again. For those who would like the full thrill of the replay String has posted a url for it in the main WPO forum. Its worth the viewing, honestly. Right, what to do. First of all the points.. I was 1000 behind before that move, I am now almost 1500 behind, not such a huge jump considering. The way points accrue for damage makes a difference. I suspect quite a lot of my ships had already gained a lot of damage for him in previous days whereas I hit a lot of undamaged ships - albeit not very hard.I do like the points for damage idea... I wonder if WITP would ever use that? Ok, whilst I am now convinced that you must operate in optimum Tf sizes I am also convinced that you need to bring a lot of TFs together.... and keep hitting the enemy. So we must concentrate. pescadores is out, and he's welcome to try and invade Formosa.... if he dares. So its all ships to Lingayen.... a central point form which to reorganise and then develop my amazing counterthrust that will wipe him off the seas (well you have to be an optimist don't you?) Some ships will maybe not make it, but we shall see. I reckong that his ships are all low on ammo now so its a case of get some sea between us first. [image]local://upfiles/4633/FC43E72818CA4DEA86D121066CD52DA5.gif[/image]

Andy Mac -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/2/2005 1:42:57 AM)
He did have you outnumbered nearly 2 to 1 8 BB and 2 BC versus 10 BB and 9 BC from the RN and he had along his newest most powerfull BB;s and BC's (Weird calling the R class most modern and powerfull !!!At lease 7 of his ships were pure 15" ships) and his DD's managed to light up your fleet before the main action. Result doesnt seem out of kilter to me !!!!

Andy Mac -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/2/2005 2:05:23 AM)
Each of his TF's had ships that outranged most of your fleet only Mutsu's 16" guns were able to fight against the 4 R class BB's 15" guns and the 3 big 15" BC'ers. at 13.5"/14" you had 2 BB's and 2 BC's that join the fight he had 6 more BB's and 2 BC's with 13.5" guns. So at range 1 v 7 then 5 v 15 the big problem in that fight was that you were outnumbered and slowed down by the DD hits and then your main gun ammo must be running low in your non 12" ships after that many fights especially Mutsu's big 16" ers fighting from range alone in a lot of the fights even when the 12" get into the fight they struggle to penetrate whereas his 13.5" and 15" guns have more stopping power. (Resolutions 15" sunk Musashi in my last WITP PBEM so I KNOW they have a lot of hitting power !!!!!) Basically range, magazine space, stopping power and numbers were all on his side and he preceeded it with a succsessfull DD attack that made you burn yet more ammo. For all that you hit several of his ships quite hard I would be happyyou got off so lightly I really dont think that was an anomolous result. Seperate question is the scenario balanced with that many modern big gun RN Ships

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