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Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/2/2005 8:04:18 AM)
That gives a very comprehensive explanation Andy, thanks. I did wonder about the DD attacks being effectively a 'spoiler' against me. I wonder if this is a chance event where if a series of TFs enter a hex sometimes the Dds type Tf will attack first, or whether its a game routine that the lighter Tf attacks first. Roger

Pkunzipper -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/2/2005 10:35:54 AM)
I'm playing Jap in another game with Janushm (he has just started an AAR). I've noticed too the lack of penetrating power of Jap ship... We had the first BB clash (still not as big as this last one![X(]) on 5th turn: his modern BC/BB against my older BB, all of them with 30,5mm gun (roughly 12", with a penetration value of 500). The combat was night time, and a round was fought at 2000 yards. Well, I've scored no penetrating hits against enemy BB/BC (they have an average of 300 as belt armour)... Are penetration calculations working correctly?

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/3/2005 11:40:32 AM)
One of the purposes of these intial AARs I suppose is to pose these sorts of questions. AndyMac's explanation makde sense to me... see above. Roger

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/3/2005 11:48:42 AM)
Okay a new day.... and my forces continue to 'get out of Dodge'. If String realsies what I'm doing it will be interesting... I badly need some time with little action. I assume his attacks were an experiment and he didn't realise eaither just how devastating thye would be... and therefore there isn't a massive follow up force and Invasion TF just over the horizon. So, what happened next.... AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/21/24 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rather an overkill situation here I feel..... Night Time Surface Combat, near Tainan at 48,44 Japanese Ships ML Sokuten Maru, Shell hits 9, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk Allied Ships BB Royal Oak BB Revenge BC Repulse BC Lion BC Princess Royal BC Australia BC Indomitable BC Inflexible DD Tumult DD Woolston DD Whitehall DD Whitshed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Tainan at 48,44 I assume my brave lads didn't have any torpedoes left.... I bet that really hurt his ships! Japanese Ships DD Kaki, Shell hits 23, on fire, heavy damage DD Tsuga, heavy damage DD Kagero DD Hayate DD Ayanami, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk Allied Ships BB Royal Oak, Shell hits 1 BB Revenge BC Repulse BC Lion BC Princess Royal, Shell hits 1 BC Australia BC Indomitable, Shell hits 1 BC Inflexible DD Tumult DD Woolston DD Whitehall DD Whitshed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Tainan, at 48,44 - Coastal Guns Fire Back! On the other hand........ 239 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied Ships BB Royal Oak, Shell hits 37, on fire BB Revenge, Shell hits 16, on fire BC Australia, Shell hits 10 BC Indomitable, Shell hits 13 BC Inflexible, Shell hits 25, on fire BC Princess Royal, Shell hits 30, on fire BC Lion, Shell hits 17 BC Repulse, Shell hits 29 Japanese ground losses: 85 casualties reported Guns lost 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 41,51 Japanese Ships DD Hokaze DD Tachibana DD Tade DD Tachikaze DD Ashi DD Tsuta DD Warabi CL Tama Allied Ships SS L-52 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 47,45 Maybe this idea of aircraft carriers may catch on? Allied aircraft Sopwith 2F1 Camel x 8 Sopwith Cuckoo x 8 No Allied losses Japanese Ships DD Kaki, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage Aircraft Attacking: 4 x Sopwith 2F1 Camel bombing at 2000 feet 4 x Sopwith Cuckoo launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x Sopwith 2F1 Camel bombing at 2000 feet 4 x Sopwith Cuckoo launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 45,43 Japanese Ships SS No. 32 Allied Ships DD Whitehall BC Indomitable DD Woolston DD Whitshed DD Tumult Subs not doing much, but I suppose they are a worry factor.... Not worth a map, situaion pretty much like last move - lots of arrows all pointing at Lingayen and 'safety' I hope. Roger

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/3/2005 12:04:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tankerace As to the ghost attack, that seems to happen when a TF has over 26 ships. Also, 250 hits from KGV.... totalling her starting Ammo, she has 3 sets of Main Turrets each with 9 ammo, 2 sets of 4 inchers with 30 ammo, 1 set of 13pdrs and 1 of 3pdrs, each with 36 ammo, and a set of AA MGs with 36 Ammo. 36+36+36+30+30+9+9+9 = 195 hits, so some of that had to be FOW... unless it is rounds per gun, then it is over the 250. I queried this with String, his reply is as follows. Seems to clear up the issue. Does this ghost attack happen in WITP also, I haven't seen it there myself. oh btw, the KGV thing. It was actually a whole TF, of which she was a part of, that nailed that transport group. I checked and all BB's on that TF were in red with main battery ammo, so it was just a CR bug that displayed only KGV Roger

Terminus -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/3/2005 12:49:49 PM)
It probably does happen in WitP, it's just that nobody's ever seen a surface combat with that many ships on one side...

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/3/2005 7:45:57 PM)
And so the game moves on. Little to report today... I am pulling my subs nearer home. I feel i may have put them all too far forward and therefore he was able to exploit the gap to move on pescadores as he did. He won't be able to do that at Lingayen, there will be a carpet of subs around there. Only action is a CL/DD squadron of his killsfour fleeing AKs from Pescadores. I'm sure he is not going to simply sit back and wait for the game end though so I expect a visit soon. Roger

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/4/2005 12:22:51 PM)
okay, a new day.... and he continues to snipe at my fleeing forces. Otherwise again my subs strike a blow. I should have used them differently earlier in the game, I an now sure of that. Given their reasobale hiit rate and the poor sub detection of the period they should make some nice kills. Sub attack at 43,43 Japanese Ships SS No. 37 Allied Ships BC Inflexible, Torpedo hits 1, on fire DD Valentine DD Venomous DD Whitehall DD Woolston DD Whitshed DD Tumult Night Time Surface Combat at 45,48 Japanese Ships BB Fuso, Shell hits 3, heavy damage BB Settsu, heavy damage DD No.3, Shell hits 1 Allied Ships CL Caroline, Shell hits 1 CL Cleopatra CL Comus CL Conquest DD Vanity DD Vanoc DD Whitley Day Time Surface Combat at 45,48 Japanese Ships TK Nissyo Maru, Shell hits 2, and is sunk Allied Ships CL Caroline CL Cleopatra CL Comus CL Conquest DD Vanity DD Vanoc DD Whitley Action seems to be developing near Lingayen, the only area on the map where any of his forces are detected. [image]local://upfiles/4633/E707EFC51FCE41E59BB952C7A10EC969.gif[/image]

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/4/2005 3:31:51 PM)
Okay, are you sitting comfortably.... another String visit..... But first, unfortunately for you lovers of potential CV versus Cv combat, bad news, it won't happen in this game. One of String's marauding TFs encounters my CV TF Night Time Surface Combat at 42,49 Japanese Ships CV Hosho, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage 2 reported catastrophic ammo and fuel explosions CA Iwate CL Chikuma CL Chitose, Shell hits 31, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk CL Tone, Shell hits 1 Allied Ships BB Warspite BB Valiant BB Queen Elizabeth BB Malaya BB Barham, Shell hits 1 CL Champion DD Huon DD Torrens DD Parramatta, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Windsor DD Wanderer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat at 43,49 Japanese Ships CV Hosho, on fire, heavy damage CA Iwate, Shell hits 22, on fire CL Chikuma, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage CL Tone, Shell hits 4 Allied Ships BB Royal Oak, Shell hits 3 BB Revenge, Shell hits 1 BC Repulse BC Lion BC Princess Royal, Shell hits 2 BC Australia BC New Zealand BC Indomitable DD Tumult DD Woolston DD Venomous DD Whitehall, Shell hits 2, on fire DD Whitshed Of course this was part of my master plan, wearing them out and forcing them to expend ammo before the main action - sometimes i am so cunning I surprise myself even. On to the main course, Strings force of victorious ships enter Lingayen bay..... Day Time Surface Combat, near Lingayen at 44,50, and again I wear him out with clever planning. Japanese Ships CA Kurama, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage CA Nisshin, Shell hits 15, on fire, heavy damage CA Adzuma, Shell hits 22, on fire, heavy damage CA Aso, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage CA Idzumo, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage CL Tsugaru, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage CL Kiso, Shell hits 3 DD Amatsukaze DD Tokitsukaze DD Tsubaki, Shell hits 1 DD Kuwa, Shell hits 3 DD Tade, Shell hits 7, and is sunk DD Tachibana, Shell hits 6, and is sunk Allied Ships BB Royal Oak, Shell hits 4 BB Revenge, Shell hits 8 BC Repulse, Shell hits 2 BC Lion, Shell hits 1 BC Princess Royal, Shell hits 3 BC Australia, Shell hits 2 BC New Zealand, Shell hits 6 BC Indomitable, Shell hits 8 DD Tumult, Shell hits 2, on fire DD Woolston, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Venomous, Shell hits 2, and is sunk DD Whitshed, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage So, now he's worried.... And here come the big boys, sound of drum roll and fanfare! Day Time Surface Combat, near Lingayen at 44,50 Japanese Ships BB Ise BB Hyuga, Shell hits 1 BB Yamashiro BB Satsuma CL Yahagi, Shell hits 1 CL Tsushima CL Tama DD Hokaze DD Tachikaze DD Ashi DD Tsuta DD Warabi Allied Ships BB Royal Oak, Shell hits 3 BB Revenge, Shell hits 3 BC Repulse BC Lion BC Princess Royal BC Australia, Shell hits 1 BC New Zealand BC Indomitable DD Tumult, on fire DD Woolston, on fire DD Whitshed, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Lingayen at 44,50 Japanese Ships BB Ise,Shell hits 1, on fire BB Hyuga BB Yamashiro, Shell hits 1 BB Satsuma CL Yahagi CL Tsushima CL Tama DD Hokaze DD Tachikaze DD Ashi DD Tsuta DD Warabi Allied Ships BB Royal Oak BB Revenge, Shell hits 1 BC Repulse, Shell hits 1 BC Lion BC Princess Royal BC Australia, Shell hits 1 BC New Zealand BC Indomitable DD Tumult, on fire DD Woolston, on fire DD Whitshed, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Lingayen at 44,50 Japanese Ships BB Ise, on fire BB Hyuga, Shell hits 1 BB Yamashiro BB Satsuma, Shell hits 2, on fire CL Yahagi CL Tsushima CL Tama DD Hokaze DD Tachikaze DD Ashi DD Tsuta DD Warabi Allied Ships BB Royal Oak, Shell hits 4 BB Revenge, Shell hits 2 BC Repulse, Shell hits 1, on fire BC Lion, Shell hits 2 BC Princess Royal BC Australia, heavy damage BC New Zealand, Shell hits 2 BC Indomitable, Shell hits 2 DD Tumult, on fire DD Woolston, on fire DD Whitshed, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Lingayen at 44,50 Japanese Ships BB Tosa, Shell hits 3 BC Kongo, Shell hits 3 BC Hiei BC Kirishima BC Haruna CL Kitakami, Shell hits 1 CL Oi DD Susuki Allied Ships BB Royal Oak BB Revenge, Shell hits 3 BC Repulse, Shell hits 3, on fire BC Lion, Shell hits 1 BC Princess Royal, Shell hits 3 BC Australia, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage BC New Zealand, Shell hits 2, on fire BC Indomitable DD Tumult, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Woolston, on fire DD Whitshed, Shell hits 9, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Lingayen at 44,50 Japanese Ships BB Tosa BC Kongo BC Hiei BC Kirishima BC Haruna CL Kitakami CL Oi DD Susuki Allied Ships BB Royal Oak BB Revenge, Shell hits 1 BC Repulse, Shell hits 2, on fire BC Lion BC Princess Royal BC Australia, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage BC New Zealand, on fire BC Indomitable DD Tumult, on fire DD Woolston, on fire DD Whitshed, and is sunk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Lingayen at 44,50 Japanese Ships CL Nagara, Shell hits 1 CL Isuzu CL Natori CL Yuru, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Shiokaze, Shell hits 1 DD Kaba Allied Ships BB Royal Oak, Shell hits 2, on fire BB Revenge, Shell hits 1, on fire BC Repulse, Shell hits 1, on fire BC Lion, Shell hits 2 BC Princess Royal, Shell hits 1 BC Australia, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage BC New Zealand, Shell hits 1, on fire BC Indomitable, Shell hits 1 DD Tumult, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DD Woolston, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Lingayen at 44,50 Japanese Ships CL Nagara CL Isuzu CL Natori CL Yuru, on fire DD Shiokaze DD Kaba Allied Ships BB Royal Oak, on fire BB Revenge, on fire BC Repulse, on fire BC Lion BC Princess Royal BC Australia, on fire, heavy damage BC New Zealand, on fire BC Indomitable DD Tumult, on fire, heavy damage DD Woolston, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Lingayen at 44,50 Japanese Ships DD Hasu, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage DD Sumire, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage DD Sakura, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DD Nowaki Allied Ships BB Royal Oak, Shell hits 2, on fire BB Revenge, on fire BC Repulse, on fire BC Lion, on fire BC Princess Royal, on fire BC Australia, on fire, heavy damage BC New Zealand, Shell hits 1, on fire BC Indomitable DD Tumult, on fire, heavy damage DD Woolston, on fire, heavy damage So, at the end of all that the Jpanese have finally scored some penetrative hits on the enmy ships, its taken a long time. The CL and DD engagements were sadly fought at 20K range so they weren't able to get up close and personl - had they we might have seen some nice torpedo strikes on slowed down BBs.. Okay, no pursuit of them, asusming as is likely they need to go back to replenish and lick their wounds. I have a submarine net outside Lingayen Bay... we shall see. Knowing String I bet he returns so I have reorganised into one strong BB TF and one CL TF.. meanwhile Hosho limps towards Manila, but I don't give much hope there. [image]local://upfiles/4633/32E0C66BC8954ECCB5839F027CACECF6.gif[/image]

Terminus -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/4/2005 4:21:06 PM)
One word: OW!

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/4/2005 4:24:28 PM)
There was a lot more smoke coming from his ships than mine! Roger

Terminus -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/4/2005 4:35:02 PM)
Well yeah... It was meant as a sort of all-round "Ow!"...

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/4/2005 4:39:25 PM)
A minor skirmish compared to the Pescadores actions...... Roger

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/4/2005 7:05:25 PM)
Ok, a great deal of my shipping lie at rest under the protection of the great batteries that defend Manila Bay, the rest of my transports are all en route there and my battle fleet (what's left of it)is at Lingayen celebrating their first hits on the all powerful British Fleet. So, then this happens..... AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/25/24 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Manila at 43,52 Japanese Ships SS No. 31 Allied Ships DD Huon, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage [:-] DD Wanderer DD Windsor DD Torrens BB Valiant -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1001 encounters mine field at Manila (43,52) Allied Ships DD Wanderer DD Torrens DD Huon, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Manila at 43,52 Japanese Ships SS No. 31, hits 1 Allied Ships DD Torch DD Tyrant DD Violent DD Vimy DD Yarra -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1009 encounters mine field at Manila (43,52) Allied Ships DD Vimy, Mine hits 1, on fire[:-] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 45,48 Japanese Ships SS No. 9 Allied Ships BB Orion, Torpedo hits 1[:-] DD Vidette -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52 Japanese aircraft Mitsubishi 1MF2 x 3 Allied aircraft Sopwith 2F1 Camel x 4 Sopwith Cuckoo x 8 Fairey IIID x 3 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses Sopwith Cuckoo: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged Aircraft Attacking: 7 x Sopwith Cuckoo launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x Fairey IIID bombing at 1000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 42,53 Japanese aircraft Mitsubishi 1MF2 x 10 Mitsubishi B1M1 x 12 Allied aircraft Sopwith 2F1 Camel x 4 Japanese aircraft losses Mitsubishi B1M1: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged Allied aircraft losses Sopwith 2F1 Camel: 1 destroyed Allied Ships CV Argus Aircraft Attacking: 2 x Mitsubishi B1M1 launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x Mitsubishi B1M1 launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x Mitsubishi B1M1 launching torpedoes at 200 feet Not a lot to write home about.... and then the coastal batteries opne up ans seemingly score no hits whatsoever, his ships sail through as if in a regatta and proceed to do soem very nasty damage to my defenceless shipping at anchor. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Manila at 43,52 Japanese Ships TK Ogura Maru #1 TK Ogura Maru #2 TK Ogura Maru #3, Shell hits 7, and is sunk TK Ose, Shell hits 7, and is sunk TK Ryuei Maru, Shell hits 8, and is sunk TK Rikko Maru TK Sacramento Maru, Shell hits 9, on fire, heavy damage TK San Clemente Maru, Shell hits 9, and is sunk TK San Diego Maru, Shell hits 10, and is sunk TK San Luis Maru AP Arizona Maru, Shell hits 17, and is sunk AK Asahisan Maru AK Azumasan Maru, Shell hits 12, and is sunk AP Buyo Maru AP Chojun Maru AP Haaburu Maru AP Hakuyo Maru, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage AP Hokumyo Maru AP Hokutatsu Maru AP Kaedesan Maru AP Kamishima Maru AK Kanto Maru AK Katuragi Maru AP Keizan Maru AK Kenryu Maru AP Kiri Maru AP Kisaragi Maru AK Kiso Maru, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk AP Kisogawa Maru AK Kitahuku Maru, Shell hits 8, and is sunk AP Kitano Maru AP Kiyama Maru AP Kiyoshima Maru AK Kiyosumi Maru AP Kiyozumi Maru, Shell hits 2, on fire AP Kizan Maru, Shell hits 17, and is sunk AK Kurama Maru AP La Plata Maru, Shell hits 19, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk AK Maebasi Maru AP Tama Maru AP Tamashima Maru AP Tanba Maru AP Uji Maru AP Yamakuni Maru AP Yubae Maru, Shell hits 20, and is sunk AK Shinyo Maru #5, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk AK Tatsufuku Maru AK Kashii Maru AK Hisashima Maru AP Imizu Maru TK Chiyoda Maru AK Shun Yuan Allied Ships BB Warspite BB Valiant BB Queen Elizabeth BB Malaya BB Barham CL Champion DD Torrens DD Windsor -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Manila at 43,52 Japanese Ships ML Katsuriki, Shell hits 6, and is sunk ML Yento Maru, Shell hits 5, and is sunk ML Katashima Maru, Shell hits 5, and is sunk Allied Ships BB Agincourt BB King George V BB Centurion BB Thunderer BB Monarch DD Yarra DD Tyrant DD Torch DD Violent -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Manila at 43,52 Japanese Ships DD Tsuga, Shell hits 2, and is sunk Allied Ships BB Agincourt, Shell hits 1 -celebrations all round lads, that'll teach them! BB King George V BB Centurion BB Thunderer BB Monarch DD Yarra DD Tyrant DD Torch DD Violent -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Manila, at 43,52 Allied Ships BB Agincourt BB Monarch BB Thunderer BB Centurion BB King George V Japanese ground losses: 253 casualties reported Guns lost 8 Now this scenario is becoming about as difficult for String as shooting fish in a barrel. My lads, what's left, up anchor and we are all off to gather in Lingayen.... nowhere else to run really. looks like its the old circle the wagons and wait for the US Cavalry time.... except they are not going to turn up... Really don't give much for my chances now.... I'd be interested to see if anyone comes up with a better idea at this stage. really its all over but the coup de grace I feel. Maybe my subs will save the day for me.... maybe not! Roger

Tankerace -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/4/2005 7:57:29 PM)
Just out of curiosity, what aggression levels do your Battleship TF commanders have? Funny thing about WPO, commanders make all the difference. I've seen battles go one way, the other way, or nothing happen. I'd expect with 60+ aggression commanders your battleships would do somewhat better.

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/5/2005 12:08:39 AM)
I must say I haven't really thought that one through. I've gone for leadership and naval skill...... I'll have a look next move. Roger

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/5/2005 9:00:33 AM)
Ok, the end draws closer... but I'm taking some with me..... The great retreat from Manila and its shore battery defences (LMAO) continues.He picks up the odd stray and despatches it. AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/26/24 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 43,43 Japanese Ships SS No. 37 Allied Ships BC Repulse, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage it sinks shortly after[sm=party-smiley-012.gif] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Bataan at 42,51 Japanese Ships TK Sacramento Maru, Shell hits 24, and is sunk AP Hakuyo Maru, Shell hits 5, and is sunk AP Kiyozumi Maru, Shell hits 11, and is sunk Allied Ships BB Agincourt BB King George V BB Centurion BB Thunderer BB Monarch DD Yarra DD Tyrant DD Torch DD Violent -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 42,49 Japanese Ships SS No. 8 Allied Ships DD Vimy, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 41,51 Japanese Ships SS No. 20, hits 1 Allied Ships BB Monarch DD Torch -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 41,51 Japanese Ships CL Tone, heavy damage Allied Ships SS L-52 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 43,48 Japanese Ships SS No. 71 Allied Ships DD Vimy, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 41,50 Japanese Ships SS No. 43 Allied Ships DD Huon, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 43,48 Japanese Ships SS No. 71 Allied Ships CV Argus, Torpedo hits 1[sm=party-smiley-012.gif] DD Winchelsea DD Whirlwind -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat at 41,51 Japanese Ships CL Tone, Shell hits 13, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships BB Agincourt BB King George V BB Centurion BB Thunderer BB Monarch DD Yarra DD Tyrant DD Torch DD Violent -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat at 41,51 Japanese Ships CL Chikuma, Shell hits 5, heavy damage Allied Ships BB Agincourt BB King George V BB Centurion BB Thunderer BB Monarch DD Yarra DD Tyrant DD Torch DD Violent Not really a lot left to do, pull in more subs and hope we get some nice shots as they charge in to Lingayen Bay to finish me off.

steveh11Matrix -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/5/2005 2:30:48 PM)
This'll be written up as a total vindication of the Big-Gun battleship and the waste-of-space that is the aircraft carrier, while on the QT various Admiralty personnel will be tasked with improving ASW capabilities, and Torpedo Bulges & such will become high-priority items...and maybe, just maybe, some improved subs will be designed for the RN. :) Of course, the Japanese will note what worked (subs) and what didn't (just about everything else), will also note that the RN was able to attack a force at sea using aircraft, and also to make a strike against shipping in a harbour. Forward thinkers might think.... ;);) Steve.

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/8/2005 9:48:02 PM)
Nothing from String for a few days, have emailed him to check if he is ok. Roger

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/10/2005 10:21:51 PM)
No reply, so game is on hold until he reappears. Roger

Bill Durrant -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/10/2005 10:50:13 PM)
He was in the Forum today. I know he is often on MSN - will try and see if he is there

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/14/2005 8:51:09 AM)
Move received, will play it tonight and post results on here... lokks like just a slight interruption to String's demolition job on my forces! Roger

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/14/2005 9:17:25 PM)
Ok, we are back, but with not a lot to report so far.... not that I have much say, its really down to String to dictate the action I'm afraid. My forces continue to avoid open contact except for sitting waiting for him to revisit Lingayen for our 'potential' last stand. Otherwise I must make a note to get my sub commanders eyes tested when they return to port! AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/27/24 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 35,46 Japanese Ships SS No. 40 Allied Ships BB Warspite DD Wanderer DD Windsor DD Torrens Torpedoes miss![:@] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 41,51 Japanese Ships DD Umikaze DD Matsu DD Akikaze DD Shimakaze Allied Ships SS L-52 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 43,43 Japanese Ships SS No. 37 Allied Ships DD Valentine DD Verity DD Whitehall DD Vortigern DD Vivien DD Vimiera -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 43,45 Japanese Ships SS No. 42, hits 1 Allied Ships CL Comus DD Vanoc DD Vanity CL Caroline DD Whitley DD Vidette Torpedoes miss![:@] I spot a TF of BB plus supports heading my way from Hong Kong, maybe next move will bring another surface engagement. Cheers Roger

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/15/2005 9:47:57 PM)
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.............[>:][>:][>:][>:][>:][>:][>:][>:][>:] Ok, apart from the odd sub attack which damages an AK of mine, and two more sets of misses by my subs absolutely nothing happens. Looking at the map I spy two subs around Lingayen, and one actually in the bay! There is nothing else on the map that isn't mine. Oh for some decent recce aircraft. Conclusions: He is sitting back knowing he has won He is massing just out of range for the final battle He is as much in the dark as I am.... Really with the few seaworthy craft I have left I can't go anywhere, so the presence of most of my transport shipping in Lingayen hopefully will tempt him in, though given his superiority after the earlier battles its really a matter of taking a few with me and upholding the glory of Jpanaese fighting spirit as he will destroy me when he does arrive. Ok, stay posted. Roger

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/15/2005 10:53:56 PM)
A new day, and either he decides that there might be a surface force of mine at Tainan or its a prelude to an invasion there.... interesting either way. Maybe not what he expected as a result, no ships of mine there, but some fairly fierce shore defences.... Naval bombardment of Tainan, at 48,44 - Coastal Guns Fire Back! 255 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied Ships BC Princess Royal, Shell hits 34, on fire BC Inflexible, Shell hits 32, on fire BC Renown, Shell hits 17 BC Hood, Shell hits 7 BB Erin, Shell hits 14 BB Marlborough, Shell hits 34, on fire BB Royal Sovereign, Shell hits 24 Japanese ground losses: 225 casualties reported Guns lost 14 So, with luck he has some fairly shot up ships there, so time to hit with a destroyer raid I hope. Also I am sending some subs to try to pick off cripples as he retires. Of course if that was just one of several Tfs heading to Tainan I am in trouble, but i have little to lose, and much to gain.... I'm 1500 points behind still. Cheers ROger [image]local://upfiles/4633/E933B55E667A47698FB9BCC2739C0340.jpg[/image]

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/15/2005 11:48:17 PM)
and nothing occurs next day..... what is happening? Roger

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/16/2005 12:21:46 AM)
Day 30 and.......................... Nothng happens! Roger

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/16/2005 8:12:06 AM)
Day 31 and one of his subs enters Manila Bay, finds CL Tatsuta and hits with a torpedo. looking at the combat she is reported listing, counterflooding. However when I get to my orders she only has 33 float dmg...... Again nothing else happens..... Roger [&:]

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/16/2005 7:46:36 PM)
Day 32.... the sub returns to take on CL Tatsuta and hits with two more torps.... glug, glug. More and more reports of sightings of subs round my coastlines.... and no sign of any ships... this looks like String's new way of warfare. Cheers Roger

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/16/2005 9:57:59 PM)
Day 33 and still its a tense sub versus surface game.... AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/03/24 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Lingayen at 44,50 Allied Ships SS K-8 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Bataan at 42,51 Japanese Ships DD Yanagi Allied Ships SS K-III, hits 2, on fire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 14 encounters mine field at Bataan (42,51) Japanese Ships DD Kashi, Mine hits 1, on fire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 33,47 Japanese Ships SS No. 57 Allied Ships DD Yarra DD Torch DD Tyrant DD Violent BB Thunderer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 33,47 Japanese Ships SS No. 57 Allied Ships CL Caroline DD Vanoc DD Vanity DD Whitley DD Vidette -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 43,49 Allied Ships SS K-14 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 33,47 Japanese Ships SS No. 57 Allied Ships DD Tyrant, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DD Yarra DD Torch DD Violent BB Monarch BB Centurion BB Agincourt -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 42,49 Japanese Ships DD Akikaze DD Shimakaze Allied Ships SS M-1 A few more moves of this and I'll have a rethink as to how to proceed.... maybe he is sitting back and assuming this is won? Cheers ROger

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