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Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/17/2005 2:09:39 PM)
Day 34 and interesting developments. Subs continue on both sides their game of cat and mouse with ASW TFs... but off bataan some enemy MLs appear.... off my jolly airplanes go on a sortie! Day Air attack on TF, near Bataan at 42,51 Japanese aircraft Mitsubishi 1MF2 x 2 Mitsubishi B1M1 x 14 No Japanese losses Allied Ships ML Empire Bronze ML Empire Beaver ML Empire Lynx ML Empire Resistance Aircraft Attacking: 4 x Mitsubishi B1M1 launching torpedoes at 200 feet 2 x Mitsubishi B1M1 launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x Mitsubishi B1M1 launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x Mitsubishi B1M1 launching torpedoes at 200 feet Staggeringly good torpedo runs they were! Otherwise there is an interesting sighting on a 3 BB plus CA TF approaching Lingayen from the north... maybe tomorrow there will be some action.... maybe my carpet of submarines might actually hit something? All other allied ship sightings are subs, just in case you are wondering.... [image]local://upfiles/4633/2EB0694A9CAE4EB48E32EADB0D3C7052.jpg[/image]

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/17/2005 4:54:09 PM)
Okay, overconfidence or merely wanting a close look with some aircraft? One hex out of Manilla CV Argus presents a nice target. She already collected one torpedo about a week ago, wonder if this is enough? Day Air attack on TF at 42,52 Japanese aircraft Mitsubishi 1MF2 x 12 Mitsubishi B1M1 x 14 Allied aircraft Sopwith 2F1 Camel x 3 Japanese aircraft losses Mitsubishi B1M1: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged Allied Ships CV Argus, Torpedo hits 2[sm=party-smiley-012.gif] Aircraft Attacking: 4 x Mitsubishi B1M1 launching torpedoes at 200 feet 2 x Mitsubishi B1M1 launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x Mitsubishi B1M1 launching torpedoes at 200 feet 3 x Mitsubishi B1M1 launching torpedoes at 200 feet Dampening my enthusiasm a little is the following though: TF 68 encounters mine field at Bataan (42,51) Japanese Ships CA Iwate, Mine hits 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near San Jose at 41,53 Allied aircraft Sopwith Cuckoo x 8 No Allied losses Japanese Ships DD Momo, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damageSinks later DD Hinoki Aircraft Attacking: 4 x Sopwith Cuckoo launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x Sopwith Cuckoo launching torpedoes at 200 feet Cheers Roger

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/17/2005 5:33:47 PM)
Hmmm, either torpedoes are not very effective against CVs or my pilots exaggerated. Planes from the Argus continue to be a pain. Memo, minelaying is also a right pain for the opposition! AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/06/24 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 5 encounters mine field at Bataan (42,51) Japanese Ships DD Akikaze AE Kashino, Mine hits 1, on fire AK Sansei Maru, Mine hits 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near San Jose at 41,53 Allied aircraft Fairey IIID x 2 No Allied losses Japanese Ships DD Kashi Aircraft Attacking: 2 x Fairey IIID bombing at 1000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near San Jose at 41,53 Allied aircraft Sopwith 2F1 Camel x 4 Sopwith Cuckoo x 8 Allied aircraft losses Sopwith Cuckoo: 1 damaged Japanese Ships DD Yanagi DD Hinoki, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage Aircraft Attacking: 4 x Sopwith 2F1 Camel attacking at 100 feet 4 x Sopwith Cuckoo launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x Sopwith Cuckoo launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near San Jose at 41,53 Allied aircraft Sopwith 2F1 Camel x 4 No Allied losses Aircraft Attacking: 4 x Sopwith 2F1 Camel attacking at 100 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Lingayen at 44,50 Japanese Ships TK San Luis Maru Allied Ships SS K-8 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Lingayen at 44,50 Allied Ships SS K-8 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 41,52 Japanese Ships SS No. 47 Allied Ships DD Watchman DD Whirlwind DD Walrus DD Wakeful DD Walpole DD Walker DD Voyager Other than that, nothing, but I guess String is happy to just wear me down gradually - why waste his assets when the subs and mines and aircraft are doing such a good job? Roger

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/17/2005 6:11:53 PM)
Developments aplenty..... In the south suddenly his troops are landing at Lagaspi, in the north a great mass of ships heading for manilla I assume? [image]local://upfiles/4633/1CAB170461AB40AB9FD8870AFCB41FBA.jpg[/image]

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/17/2005 8:48:25 PM)
And I get the sense of the final act..... landings at San Marcellino backed up by very strong naval forces. AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/08/24 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 5 encounters mine field at Bataan (42,51) Japanese Ships DD Akikaze DD Shimakaze, Mine hits 1, on fire AP Santos Maru, Mine hits 1, on fire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Aparri at 46,49 Japanese Ships DD Amatsukaze DD Kaba DD Warabi DD Tsuta DD Ashi CL Nagara Allied Ships SS K-2, hits 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack at 42,50 Japanese Ships SS No. 24 Allied Ships DD Yarra DD Torch DD Violent -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Vigan at 44,49 Japanese Ships DD Tachikaze DD Hokaze DD Tsubaki DD No.3 Allied Ships SS K-6 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of San Marcelino, at 43,50 - Coastal Guns Fire Back! 10 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied Ships BB Agincourt BB Monarch, Shell hits 1 BB Thunderer, Shell hits 2 BB Centurion, Shell hits 3 Japanese ground losses: 286 casualties reported Guns lost 3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Lingayen at 44,50 Japanese Ships AR Kwanto Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire Allied Ships SS K-8 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1010 troops unloading over beach at San Marcelino, 43,50 Allied ground losses: 1281 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 1010 troops unloading over beach at San Marcelino, 43,50 Allied ground losses: 744 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 42,52 Allied aircraft Sopwith 2F1 Camel x 4 Sopwith Cuckoo x 8 Fairey IIID x 2 Allied aircraft losses Fairey IIID: 1 damaged Japanese Ships AO Notoro, Shell hits 4 CA Kasuga, Torpedo hits 2, on fire AS Komohashi AK Sanuki Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire Aircraft Attacking: 4 x Sopwith 2F1 Camel attacking at 100 feet 4 x Sopwith Cuckoo launching torpedoes at 200 feet 2 x Fairey IIID bombing at 1000 feet 4 x Sopwith Cuckoo launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 42,52 Allied aircraft Sopwith 2F1 Camel x 4 Sopwith Cuckoo x 7 Fairey IIID x 2 No Allied losses Japanese Ships AO Sunosaki Maru AS Komohashi, Torpedo hits 1 AO Notoro AO Ermo, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage Aircraft Attacking: 4 x Sopwith 2F1 Camel attacking at 100 feet 3 x Sopwith Cuckoo launching torpedoes at 200 feet 2 x Fairey IIID bombing at 1000 feet 4 x Sopwith Cuckoo launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of San Marcelino, at 43,50 - Coastal Guns Fire Back! 3 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied Ships BC Renown BB Revenge, Shell hits 1 BB Marlborough BB Royal Oak BC Hood BB Erin BB Royal Sovereign Japanese ground losses: 95 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Port hits 2 Port fuel hits 4 Port supply hits 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 42,52 Japanese Ships AK Sanyo Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire DD Akikaze Allied Ships SS K-VII -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Legaspi Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 166 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles Allied assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 2) Allied forces CAPTURE Legaspi base !!! Well were his torpedo planes suddenly very acurate or what? Ok, all my available surface shipping, even those close to sinking are heading for a final 'kamikaze' battle. Its got to the stage where I may as well end it all now rather than a long drawn out suffering... and you never know... I might just - and pigs might fly! Roger

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/17/2005 11:34:26 PM)
Ok, apologies, my last Tfs have yet to arrive in the slaughter area.... but some activity to be going on with.... subs enjoy themselves. AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/09/24 Sub attack near San Marcelino at 43,50 Japanese Ships SS No. 73 Allied Ships DD Torch, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage DD Yarra DD Violent BB Agincourt -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near San Marcelino at 43,50 Japanese Ships SS No. 73 Allied Ships BB Orion, Torpedo hits 1 DD Vanoc DD Vanity DD Whitley DD Vidette -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat at 43,55 Japanese Ships AD AD-3162, Shell hits 15, on fire, heavy damage AO Sata AD Isusan Maru, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage ML Ninoshima Maru ML Yenoshima Maru AO Muroto, Shell hits 1 AP Achou Maru AP Arugun Maru AK Asaka Maru AK Alaska Maru AP Ayo Maru AK Columbia Maru AP Genkai Maru AP Ginyo Maru AP Gokoku Maru AP Heian Maru AP Heiku Maru AP Heito Maru AP Hotsukawa Maru AP Humburugu Maru AP Jinshu Maru AP Jusan Maru AP Kaimyo Maru AP Kamakura Maru AK Kano Maru AP Kansan Maru AP Kashu Maru AP Keiyo Maru AP Kenshin Maru AP Kirishima Maru, Shell hits 2, on fire AK Komaki Maru AP Komeyama Maru AK Kozan Maru AP Kyuden Maru AK Lima Maru AP Minto Maru AK Momoyama Maru AP Montoiru Maru AP Nagano Maru AP Netsuda Maru AP Reiyo Maru AP Ryuosan Maru AP Shinai Maru AP Shirashika Maru AK Sinko Maru AP Suwa Maru AP Taigen Maru AK Tamon Maru AP Teikei Maru AP Tempei Maru AK Toa Maru AP Tsuiba Maru AK Unyo Maru AP Yawata Maru AK Yuri Maru AP Zenoa Maru AP Zinzan Maru AK Eizan Maru AK Shunsei Maru AK Showa Maru TK Funakawa Maru, Shell hits 3, on fire Allied Ships DD Winchelsea, Shell hits 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near San Marcelino at 43,50 Japanese Ships SS No. 73, hits 4, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships DD Turquoise DD Wren DD Parramatta DD Witch TB Z1 DD Warwick TB Z6 TB Z2 DD Westcott DD Winchester SC Ch112 SC Ch111 SC Ch107 SC Ch106 AS Koning Nederlanden TB Z8 TB Z3 DD Waterhen DD Valkyrie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 41,50 Japanese Ships SS No. 43 Allied Ships DD Voyager, Torpedo hits 1, on fire DD Watchman DD Whirlwind DD Walrus DD Wakeful DD Walpole DD Walker -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at San Marcelino Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 10428 troops, 71 guns, 0 vehicles Defending force 1006 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 2 Allied assault odds: 151 to 1 (fort level 2) Allied forces CAPTURE San Marcelino base !!! Japanese ground losses: 102 casualties reported Allied ground losses: 11 casualties reported Defeated Japanese Units Retreating! My BBs will arrive one day late, maybe we will still catch stuff unloading... maybe not? Roger

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/19/2005 12:52:10 AM)
Well here you go, a massive set of engamemts off San Marcellino, my last chance to stop String invading the north of the island. AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/10/24 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Manila at 43,52 Japanese Ships AK Sanuki Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships SS L-54 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near San Marcelino at 43,50 Japanese Ships CL Yahagi CL Tsushima CL Tama, Shell hits 1, on fire CL Kitakami, Shell hits 1 CL Oi CL Kiso CL Nagara CL Isuzu, Shell hits 2, on fire CL Natori DD Amatsukaze, Shell hits 1 DD Ashi DD Tsuta DD Warabi DD Kaba DD Nowaki, Shell hits 1 Allied Ships BB King George V BB Orion BC Lion, Shell hits 3 BC Indomitable, Shell hits 4 CL Caroline, Shell hits 1 CL Cleopatra CL Comus CL Conquest, Shell hits 2 DD Turquoise DD Vanity DD Vidette DD Whitley -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near San Marcelino at 43,50 Japanese Ships CL Yahagi, Shell hits 2 CL Tsushima CL Tama, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage CL Kitakami CL Oi CL Kiso CL Nagara CL Isuzu, Shell hits 1, on fire CL Natori DD Amatsukaze DD Ashi, Shell hits 2, on fire DD Tsuta, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage DD Warabi DD Kaba DD Nowaki, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships BB King George V, Shell hits 3 BB Orion, Shell hits 2 BC Lion, Shell hits 1 BC Indomitable, Shell hits 5 CL Caroline, Shell hits 1 CL Cleopatra, Shell hits 1 CL Comus, Shell hits 1 CL Conquest, Shell hits 2 DD Turquoise, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage DD Vanity DD Vidette DD Whitley, Shell hits 3, on fire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near San Marcelino at 43,50 Japanese Ships CL Yahagi CL Tsushima, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage CL Tama, and is sunk CL Kitakami, Shell hits 4, on fire CL Oi CL Kiso, Shell hits 1, on fire CL Nagara, Shell hits 1 CL Isuzu, Shell hits 2, on fire CL Natori DD Amatsukaze, Shell hits 3 DD Ashi, on fire DD Tsuta, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage DD Warabi DD Kaba, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DD Nowaki, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships BB Warspite, Shell hits 1 BB Valiant, Shell hits 4 BB Queen Elizabeth BB Malaya, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1 BB Barham, Torpedo hits 1, on fire CL Champion, Shell hits 2 DD Valorous, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Vampire DD Torrens DD Windsor DD Wanderer And now for the main event. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near San Marcelino at 43,50 Japanese Ships BB Tosa BB Hyuga, Shell hits 4, on fire BB Yamashiro BC Kongo BC Hiei BC Kirishima BC Haruna DD No.3, Shell hits 2, on fire DD Hokaze DD Tachikaze DD Tsubaki, Shell hits 1 DD Hayate Allied Ships BB Warspite, Shell hits 2 BB Valiant BB Queen Elizabeth, Shell hits 2 BB Malaya BB Barham, on fire CL Champion, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DD Valorous, on fire DD Vampire DD Torrens DD Windsor DD Wanderer, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near San Marcelino at 43,50 Japanese Ships BB Tosa, Shell hits 2 BB Hyuga, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage BB Yamashiro BC Kongo, Shell hits 1 BC Hiei, Shell hits 1 BC Kirishima BC Haruna DD No.3, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Hokaze DD Tachikaze DD Tsubaki DD Hayate Allied Ships BB Agincourt BB Centurion, Shell hits 2 BB Thunderer, Shell hits 3 BB Monarch, Shell hits 4 DD Yarra DD Vanoc DD Violent -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near San Marcelino at 43,50 Japanese Ships BB Tosa, Shell hits 6 BB Hyuga, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage BB Yamashiro, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage BC Kongo, Shell hits 2 BC Hiei, Shell hits 2 BC Kirishima, Shell hits 5 BC Haruna, Shell hits 2 DD No.3, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage DD Hokaze, Shell hits 2 DD Tachikaze DD Tsubaki DD Hayate, Shell hits 3 Allied Ships BB Agincourt, Shell hits 2, on fire BB Centurion BB Thunderer BB Monarch, Shell hits 5, on fire DD Yarra, Shell hits 2, on fire DD Vanoc, Shell hits 1 DD Violent, Shell hits 3, on fire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 43,48 Japanese Ships SS No. 18 Allied Ships BB Centurion -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 43,47 Japanese Ships SS No. 34 Allied Ships DD Violent, on fire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 43,49 Japanese Ships BB Yamashiro, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage DD Tachikaze Allied Ships SS K-14, hits 3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Manila at 43,52 Allied Ships SS L-54 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 42,50 Japanese Ships SS No. 24 Allied Ships DD Turquoise, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near San Jose at 41,53 Allied aircraft Sopwith 2F1 Camel x 4 Sopwith Cuckoo x 8 No Allied losses Japanese Ships DD Kashi, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage Aircraft Attacking: 4 x Sopwith 2F1 Camel attacking at 100 feet 4 x Sopwith Cuckoo launching torpedoes at 200 feet 4 x Sopwith Cuckoo launching torpedoes at 200 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 43,47 Japanese Ships SS No. 34 Allied Ships BB Thunderer, Torpedo hits 1, on fire DD Vanoc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Lingayen at 44,50 Japanese Ships BC Haruna DD Tsubaki Allied Ships SS M-1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Lingayen at 44,50 Japanese Ships DD Hokaze DD No.3, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships SS M-1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 41,52 Japanese Ships SS No. 47 Allied Ships DD Whirlwind DD Watchman DD Walrus DD Wakeful DD Walpole DD Walker -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Naga Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 177 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles Allied assault odds: 9 to 1 (fort level 3) Allied forces CAPTURE Naga base !!! Although the above might suggest a reasonable parity in hits, the replay tells a story or repeated japanese hits on belt armour and allied hits that penetrate, even with lage calibre guns on Cl armour I was not getting penetrations. I have nothing above a CL now that is undamaged... I have offered my surrender to String. I have my own ideas about why I was wiped out in the campaign, but I'd really like to open this up now to others to comment. I look forward to some postings. Roger [sm=00000007.gif]

Miller -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/19/2005 10:18:07 PM)
I am having similar luck as the IJN in my Jutland PBEM. Not even a month into the scenario and I only have three of my original 12 modern BB/BC still afloat. The allies simply have numbers on their side. Thirteen 15" gunned ships vs four 16" IJN ships Sixteen 13.5" gunned ships vs eight 14" IJN ships Five modern 12" gunned ships plus a few pre-dreds against approx twelve IJN pre-dreds I grouped my fleets as Tankerace suggests, 4 BB/BC plus escorts per fleet. However against a fleet consisting of as many as 15 BB/BC they were simply swamped.... In CL/DD combat however the IJN seems to perform much better than the RN as he has lost three times as many DD's as me.....I fight on to the death[:@][:@]

KofK -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/19/2005 10:30:42 PM)
As a British player of this scenario who got his arse handed to him, the key as the Japanese is to focus strength on destroying the British piecemeal. Take advantage of the British initial dispositions and try to hit the British squadrons in Hong Kong first to reduce the British numerical advantage. The Japanese also seem to do better at night fighting in my experience.

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/20/2005 1:09:20 AM)
That's comforting to know, I thought I was just totally crap! I did try to hit HK first, but had the wrong ships with the wrong TF organisation. OT didn't young Michael do well on Saturday? Most people on the forum won't understand that at all! Roger

KofK -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/20/2005 1:16:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Roger Neilson That's comforting to know, I thought I was just totally crap! I did try to hit HK first, but had the wrong ships with the wrong TF organisation. Yes, I think from the empirical evidence of my game and the AARs that I've read, that task force compsition is rather important. I certainly seemed to have a mirror image game to yours in that the Japanese gunfire appeared much more deadly than that of my British battleships.

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/20/2005 1:24:49 AM)
String has offered to swap sides and rerun the game, I'm currently 'thinking' about it. Roger

Miller -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/20/2005 7:21:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Roger Neilson That's comforting to know, I thought I was just totally crap! I did try to hit HK first, but had the wrong ships with the wrong TF organisation. OT didn't young Michael do well on Saturday? Most people on the forum won't understand that at all! Roger He certainly did.....well worth 17 million [&o]

Roger Neilson -> RE: The Ne(i)lson touch (12/21/2005 1:10:28 AM)
My mother, 84, does some voluntary work at a local hospital. The other day she rang me to say she'd been on a ward when a lot of nice young men had appeared. As she does she offered them all sweets and one 'very nice young man' refused saying the manager wouldn't be happy if he took one! Later she found out that she'd been talking to Michael Owen - and had to be told who he was and what he did!!!!!!!!! I must say I was way on holiday in Dublin when the transer occurred and I did have my doubts.... but I readily admit I'm often completely wrong on many things. Roll on the Liverpool match. For non English people they won't have a clue what all this is about - but it adds a frisson of mystery to their lives doesn't it? Cheers ROger

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