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witpqs -> RE: To Hold PM or Not to Hold PM ? (11/8/2006 8:49:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raverdave [image]local://upfiles/5619/532360A75D7D4B7C859D0AF77F44254C.jpg[/image] What kind of warship is that menacing Tasmania? [X(]

Luskan -> RE: To Hold PM or Not to Hold PM ? (11/8/2006 11:08:12 AM)
Raver won't be given the option whether to hold PM or not ;) With some invasions, you land your combat troops first, take the place, ship them out, bring in the construction boys and the base force and start the supply runs etc. When you take PM (or any base within range of allied airpower) you go in with half the world packed on your transports. you put all your troops ashore, supply them, and they stay. maybe later you rotate the combat forces - but rest assured I'll land at PM with the strength to crush whatever Raver can scare up out of Oz (not a lot at this stage). he gets an extra regiment at

Raverdave -> RE: The show must go on ! (11/8/2006 12:02:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark VII Nice propaganda pics Raver! Keep em up. She is kind a cute but tough. Several years ago bought a t-shirt for the the Wife-unit with this pic on it. Funny, even back then it had the "DEFEAT THAT RATBRAIN LUSKAN" saying on it.[:D] quote: ORIGINAL: Raverdave [image]local://upfiles/5619/2307B50E33704C22832E3D23FC99C54B.jpg[/image] Just doing my bit to keep the troops' morale up [:D]

Raverdave -> PM is MY choice. (11/8/2006 12:10:22 PM)
Actually it is MY choise as to what happens in PM, I will either CHOOSE to hold it or CHOOSE not to either way it is my choice. Now the correct thing for you to say would have been :- " Well that's just fine and dandy Mr Raver. I accept your choice but I do feel, and you understand I am saying this with no animosity, that regardless of what choice you do make I must do my best to still try and win upon the feild of battle". [image]local://upfiles/5619/BF0D74EC0955434CB079ED1488E48F9B.jpg[/image]

Luskan -> RE: PM is MY choice. (11/8/2006 1:05:11 PM)
A quiet turn - Raver can post the combat reply. Essentially things have gone into a bit of a lull as things are settling down somewhat. Another sub got damaged at pearl (this time for no gain to me!) and I consolidated a few more little bases around the place. I've landed troops at Balikpapan - they'll take the place without issue. No problems there.

Luskan -> RE: PM is MY choice. (11/8/2006 2:32:23 PM)
More fun and games this turn - I take Balikpapan, stranding the allied troops at Samarinda, between my two Naval Guard Units at Balikpapan, and the ever triumphant division from Tarakan - about to arrive from the east. They're doomed. I also take Kuantan (with the division from khota Bharu) and bombard PM a little. Raver lets me destroy planes on the ground (he also lost som crappy Blenhiem night fighters that would have eventually turned into beaufighters) so that shows me he is low on political points. Enjoy. AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/22/41 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Coastal Guns at Balikpapan, 31,64, firing at TF 135 TF 135 troops unloading over beach at Balikpapan, 31,64 8 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Japanese Ships DD Akikaze Japanese ground losses: 25 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 137 encounters mine field at Hong Kong (43,42) Japanese Ships MSW W.17 MSW W.8 MSW W.18 MSW W.7 MSW W.9 MSW W.10 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Port Moresby, at 53,91 [:D] Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses No Allied losses Japanese Ships CA Nachi CA Haguro CA Myoko DD Shiokaze DD Suzukaze DD Umikaze DD Kawakaze DD Yamakaze DD Tokitsukaze DD Yukikaze CL Nagara Allied ground losses: 83 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Airbase hits 2 Airbase supply hits 3 Runway hits 6 Port hits 7 Port fuel hits 2 Port supply hits 4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Naga, at 44,54 [:D] Japanese Ships DD Sawakaze CL Yura BB Hyuga DD Yakaze CL Oi BB Ise CL Kitakami DD Mikazuki DD Wakatake BB Yamashiro BB Nagato Allied ground losses: 227 casualties reported Guns lost 3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 9 troops unloading over beach at Namlea, 38,73 Japanese ground losses: 71 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Coastal Guns at Balikpapan, 31,64, firing at TF 135 TF 135 troops unloading over beach at Balikpapan, 31,64 3 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Japanese ground losses: 25 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 55,95 Allied aircraft Wirraway x 7 Allied aircraft losses Wirraway: 2 damaged Japanese Ships BB Mutsu Aircraft Attacking: 3 x Wirraway bombing at 2000 feet 4 x Wirraway bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Balikpapan at 31,64 Allied aircraft Brewster 339D x 3 Martin 139 x 3 Allied aircraft losses Martin 139: 1 damaged Japanese Ships AP Sumiyoshi Maru Aircraft Attacking: 3 x Martin 139 bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Tarakan at 33,61 Allied aircraft Brewster 339D x 3 Martin 139 x 2 No Allied losses Japanese Ships CA Furutaka Aircraft Attacking: 2 x Martin 139 bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 55,95 Allied aircraft Wirraway x 6 Allied aircraft losses Wirraway: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged Japanese Ships BB Mutsu Aircraft Attacking: 1 x Wirraway bombing at 2000 feet 3 x Wirraway bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 62 troops unloading over beach at Manokwari, 44,75 Japanese ground losses: 74 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Tuguegarao - Whittling down this base - I should have taken it but got a crap roll of the dice. Easier next turn though. Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 90366 troops, 925 guns, 324 vehicles, Assault Value = 1725 Defending force 9389 troops, 75 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 244 Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2 Japanese max assault: 1532 - adjusted assault: 406 Allied max defense: 249 - adjusted defense: 217 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 2) Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2 Japanese ground losses: 1013 casualties reported Guns lost 29 Vehicles lost 1 Allied ground losses: 259 casualties reported Guns lost 9 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Balikpapan[:D] Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 4938 troops, 18 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 88 Defending force 1440 troops, 20 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 20 Japanese max assault: 77 - adjusted assault: 54 Allied max defense: 18 - adjusted defense: 13 Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 2) Japanese forces CAPTURE Balikpapan base !!! Japanese ground losses: 49 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Allied ground losses: 49 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Defeated Allied Units Retreating! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Rahaeng - this was just a mistake, I moved the mixed brigade (exhausted) in first, without waiting for the armoured unit or the entire division about a day behind them, and they auto shock attacked (grr). Few actual troop losses for me to date (have lost 26 army points so far to more than 1200 of Raver's) but this does "knock out" a lot of my mixed regiment's firepower. Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 7036 troops, 83 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 150 Defending force 6007 troops, 98 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 140 Japanese max assault: 170 - adjusted assault: 17 Allied max defense: 132 - adjusted defense: 151 Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese ground losses: 986 casualties reported Guns lost 27 Allied ground losses: 22 casualties reported Guns lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Kuantan [:D] Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 20470 troops, 206 guns, 10 vehicles, Assault Value = 420 Defending force 6599 troops, 49 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 103 Japanese max assault: 399 - adjusted assault: 334 Allied max defense: 75 - adjusted defense: 19 Japanese assault odds: 17 to 1 (fort level 3) Japanese forces CAPTURE Kuantan base !!! Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses Blenheim I: 2 destroyed Japanese ground losses: 85 casualties reported Guns lost 4 Allied ground losses: 214 casualties reported Guns lost 4

Luskan -> RE: PM is MY choice. (11/8/2006 2:44:21 PM)
Ship to Ship losses, since Raver-the-lazy couldn't be bothered to post what he said he would. Of my 20 sunk ships (120 points worth approx) 6 were sunk by Boise and 7 were sunk by the Midway coastal defence battery. Two were sunk by the Wake coastal defence unit, one by a sub, and one by depth charges. Jap/US BB -/3 - all at pearl, all from 800kg bombs. BC -/1 CA -/1 CL -/3 DD 11/12 This is not such a good stat - but most of these dds were hit by coastal defence batteries or Boise. Not like I'm throwing them away deliberately! DMS -/1 My best Sub-Kill of the game. Cost me the sub though. AVD -/2 Credit for these goes to my CVLs and CVEs in the SRA. MSW 1/5 Lost mine to a CD unit, Raver lost most to my CVEs. AS -/3 [:D] PG 1/2 AO -/1 TK 1/3 AP 3/1 AK 1/18 [:D] AV -/1 PC -/2 APD 1/- Sunk by Raver's DD counterpunch at Tainan (sunk eventually). What this list really means is the allied ships you don't see sunk on this list from the SRA escaped. PoW is still out there - probably steaming around with that relic Warspite and/or Hermes, but I'll see them in the Bay outside betty range from Bangkok only. I saw them evade past Malaya to the north, but could be Raver has turned them "south" to Perth or northern oz to threaten shipping in the solomons. Probably would take a fraction too long (I've got Rabaul and lots of nells/betties Mavises now, lots of little bases to base float planes at as well - probably takes too long for PoW to move, refuel move all that way etc and still get to the solomons PNG area before my airpower moved in). Might see her in the defence of Port Moresby - not that I have any intention of invading the place [;)]

Raverdave -> RE: PM is MY choice. (11/9/2006 12:49:37 PM)
The battle at Rahaeng was a classic case of Luskan getting too greedy I am getting a tad uncomfortable about Luskan talking about my PPs....they are none of his darned business. I'm still very happy with the amount of DDs that ratbrain has lost. Now if I could only improve upon it . The fast build-up of rabaul has almost decided my mind on what to do in regards to PM. Even if it does fall it is neither here nor there, I have "other" plans. [image]local://upfiles/5619/BE2DB74BE54C4990B96533EC6D6A2CB3.jpg[/image]

Luskan -> RE: PM is MY choice. (11/9/2006 1:18:43 PM)
Other plans? Raver doesn't have a lot of options (which allied player does in December 1941) - but when he does start to advance he'll try something unpredictable. In war news today Raver's subs got a second hit in for the war - fortunately the transport is going to be fine. I conduct a bit of ASW with ok results, and I bombard the snot out of Port Moresby (early Xmas present for Raver). He knew I had heavy fleet units in the area (by virtue of the number of amphibious landing I used to take the solomons). Shame not to put them to use. We'll see how far behind my invasion shows up ;) In other news [:@] that crafty smartass bastard has played his northern chinese cards perfectly. He punched my in the nose last turn at Yenen when I prematurely attacked, and then this turn, when my whole army is on spec, ready to go, prepped . . . his main force had already left. Obviously this **s me for obvious **ing reasons. Crushing that force and routing them is more important than Yenen (sp?) - once routed they stay routed and never really regain their combat potention - such is the allied supply situation in china - Raver has preserved a good portion of his striking force and they're racing up the road towards Lanchow - they'll hang a left and either appear at the crossroads, or all the way back at Homan. I am furious with my "victorious" generals and explained that tactically and strategically this operation was a failure. This turn I took Taiping, Tuguegarao (Raver only half tried to fight for the place anyway - he'll make his Phillipines stand somewhere down the road at Bataan, Clark or Manila. On that note, he will probably bail out of Naga before I cut him off from Lamon Bay. AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/23/41 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 37,58 Japanese Ships DD Amatsukaze DD Hayashio DD Natsushio DD Hatsukaze DD Oyashio DD Kuroshio Allied Ships SS KXVI, hits 4, on fire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Port Moresby, at 53,91 Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses Wirraway: 1 destroyed Catalina I: 3 destroyed Hudson I: 1 destroyed Japanese Ships CA Nachi CA Haguro CA Myoko DD Shiokaze DD Suzukaze DD Umikaze DD Kawakaze DD Yamakaze DD Tokitsukaze DD Yukikaze CL Nagara Allied ground losses: 57 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Airbase hits 4 Airbase supply hits 11 Runway hits 51 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Port Moresby, at 53,91 Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses Wirraway: 1 destroyed Japanese Ships DD Numakaze DD Namikaze DD Nokaze DD Okikaze DD Kamikaze DD Yugure DD Shigure DD Shiratsuyu CL Kiso CL Tama BB Mutsu Allied ground losses: 26 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Airbase hits 5 Airbase supply hits 5 Runway hits 44 Port hits 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 33,64 Japanese Ships AP Tatsutake Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire MSW Eguchi Maru MSW Kongo Maru #2 MSW Senyu Maru #2 MSW Takashima Maru PG Kongosan Maru Allied Ships SS KX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 32,70 Allied aircraft Hudson I x 4 No Allied losses Japanese Ships AP Taibun Maru, Bomb hits 1 Aircraft Attacking: 4 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 33,64 Allied aircraft Brewster 339D x 3 Martin 139 x 3 No Allied losses Japanese Ships MSW Takashima Maru Aircraft Attacking: 3 x Martin 139 bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Tarakan at 33,61 Allied aircraft Brewster 339D x 3 Martin 139 x 2 Allied aircraft losses Martin 139: 1 damaged Japanese Ships CA Aoba Aircraft Attacking: 2 x Martin 139 bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack at 36,54 Japanese Ships DD Amatsukaze DD Hayashio DD Natsushio DD Hatsukaze DD Oyashio DD Kuroshio Allied Ships SS KXIV, hits 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Tuguegarao Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 89243 troops, 885 guns, 321 vehicles, Assault Value = 1665 Defending force 8960 troops, 66 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 234 Japanese max assault: 1240 - adjusted assault: 1068 Allied max defense: 238 - adjusted defense: 247 Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 2) Japanese forces CAPTURE Tuguegarao base !!! Japanese ground losses: 357 casualties reported Guns lost 10 Allied ground losses: 210 casualties reported Guns lost 11 Defeated Allied Units Retreating! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Yenen Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 129158 troops, 1450 guns, 19 vehicles, Assault Value = 2630 Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0 Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1 Japanese max assault: 2650 - adjusted assault: 2655 Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1 Japanese assault odds: 2655 to 1 (fort level 1) Japanese forces CAPTURE Yenen base !!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Taiping Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 75484 troops, 760 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 1179 Defending force 1329 troops, 6 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 8 Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2 Japanese max assault: 1106 - adjusted assault: 942 Allied max defense: 6 - adjusted defense: 1 Japanese assault odds: 942 to 1 (fort level 2) Japanese forces CAPTURE Taiping base !!! Japanese ground losses: 4 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Allied ground losses: 130 casualties reported Guns lost 3 Defeated Allied Units Retreating! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 29,36 Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 48976 troops, 540 guns, 17 vehicles, Assault Value = 1003 Defending force 736 troops, 8 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1 Japanese max assault: 910 - adjusted assault: 826 Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1 Japanese assault odds: 826 to 1 Japanese ground losses: 7 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Allied ground losses: 76 casualties reported Guns lost 6 Defeated Allied Units Retreating! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Namlea Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 683 troops, 6 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 22 Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0 Japanese max assault: 21 - adjusted assault: 7 Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1 Japanese assault odds: 7 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Namlea base !!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Manokwari Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 649 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 22 Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0 Japanese max assault: 20 - adjusted assault: 40 Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1 Japanese assault odds: 40 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Manokwari base !!!

Luskan -> RE: PM is MY choice. (11/9/2006 2:27:36 PM)
Another turn, something strange at Rahieng - I had an eng unit show up to reinforce my mixed regiment (ARM and Division in the next few days too!) but when it showed up it did a lone, individual shock attack . . . got slapped for it. Must be something strange in the code about a jap base taken by the allies and then re-occupied (but not taken yet) but the japs? Apart from that, and one crap allied air raid in the SRA this turn was totally bloodless! I've got my troops onto their R & R rotation while HQ units, Eng units and base forces work overtime to get supplies and support to those INF and ARM units to re-activate the knocked out elements etc. Very happy with my force levels in my hubs - they're brimming with troops, warships, fuel, supplies, fighters, naval bombers, recon craft - they're all perfect springboards for whatever direction I want to send my troops. The surrounded enemy troops at Samarinda will cop it in the next turn or two, and then all of Borneo except the western edge is mine. Samarinda and Tarakan (unlike Brunei) were captured with massive stockpiles of oil and/or resources. The oil wells and reserouce "wells" were all taken undamaged or mostly at most of my conquests so far. In Malaya I've captured enough supply to allow me to cancel (well . . . redirect) the uber supply TF headed in to Songkhia. In the Pacific, I'm also pleased with my hubs - I've got 100k+ supplies and 100k+ fuel at Palau, Truk, Kwaj and about 75k of each at Rabaul. Wake is healthy, Marcus Island is healthy, and my engineers are reporting excellent progress at Toroshima, Bonin Island and Iwo Jima (fortifying, building, stockpiling there for the end game - that way I can cycle my tired engineer units home and move fresh ones out to expand my construction sphere outwards). I also diverted a group of 6-10 contruction Eng units to Hongkong from the Southern Area Army - they disembarked last turn and I forgot to mention them. They will begin with HongKong (which I inherited as a shattered useless wreck of a place - these guys will do the construction work here - leaving my two Chinese area army Engineer Regiments free to . . . do other things. Operation Elation has completed its first preparation phase (there are two!) ahead of schedule. This isn't going to mean much because that just means my forces will have to wait longer for the second preparation phase to complete. More to come soon. AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/24/41 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Tarakan at 33,61 Allied aircraft Brewster 339D x 3 Martin 139 x 3 Allied aircraft losses Martin 139: 1 damaged Japanese Ships AP Arizana Maru Aircraft Attacking: 3 x Martin 139 bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Rahaeng Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 2298 troops, 18 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 98 Defending force 5900 troops, 99 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 139 Japanese max assault: 6 - adjusted assault: 2 Allied max defense: 131 - adjusted defense: 189 Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese ground losses: 77 casualties reported Guns lost 4 Allied ground losses: 8 casualties reported

Raverdave -> Hardest part (11/10/2006 2:57:01 AM)
This is the hardest part for the allied player, you have little to work with and even less that you can afford to spare, but even so every fiber of your soul screams to hurt the jap in one way or another, but you also have to try and husband your forces. Noumea is now well reinforced so if ratbrain decides to come that far south he is going to bleed.[:D] (mind you it drained all of my PPs to do it) [image]local://upfiles/5619/B39EACACAE464843829758BD7D989947.jpg[/image]

Raverdave -> RE: To Hold PM or Not to Hold PM ? (11/10/2006 3:00:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: witpqs quote: ORIGINAL: Raverdave [image]local://upfiles/5619/532360A75D7D4B7C859D0AF77F44254C.jpg[/image] What kind of warship is that menacing Tasmania? [X(] Ahhh.....that is the dreaded IJN sloop designed to sneak up with little or no noise. The main draw back is that depending on what tack you are on it can mask your main guns.[;)]

Ron Saueracker -> RE: To Hold PM or Not to Hold PM ? (11/10/2006 3:44:02 AM)
We need more picks of you playing with your models in your command post Raver!

Raverdave -> RE: To Hold PM or Not to Hold PM ? (11/10/2006 4:16:47 AM)
I need to have some more taken......will try and work on it this weekend.

Luskan -> RE: To Hold PM or Not to Hold PM ? (11/10/2006 10:17:59 AM)
Anything but more pics of Raver! I'm ok for him to keep posting the uh . . . positive propoganda pieces [X(]

Luskan -> RE: To Hold PM or Not to Hold PM ? (11/10/2006 2:47:06 PM)
Incredibly quiet turn - 3 martins take off from Samarinda and try to sink the Kinugasa and miss . . . that is it. I unload at Biak and take a few other little solomons/northern PNG little bases, and Raver and I are racing around maddly rushing fuel, supply and resource/oil left right and centre to set things up for the next stage. Both sides needed a breather - certainly my "periphery" operations have moved a whole lot faster than my main PI and Malayan and Burman campaigns have. Results will come from those soon enough.

Luskan -> RE: To Hold PM or Not to Hold PM ? (11/10/2006 11:58:39 PM)
3rd quiet day in a row. I've got damaged ships going left right and centre, I've got transports going all over the place - I planned my opening assault with great care - however I did not have nearly as careful a plan for the second phase of this war. Apart from Elation I've been throwing most of my moves together ad-hoc. Most of my troops have had three days rest out of a promised week or so and the results are encouraging - disruption and fatigue have dropped across the board, and many knocked out elements are back in fighting trim. This turn the 55th took Samarinda, and the allied units retreated into the junge to start a 5 or 6 hex journey to Banjarmarsan. I'll get there well before they do. other than that, I took a few more northern PNG bases (these should all just auto - switch to japanese control when I take Rabaul) and my lumbering hammers roll on at Malaya and PI towards their objectives. They're also getting a bit tired - and will need a day or two to rest and re organise before clobbering their final objectives. At Raheing (sp) my armoured unit, turn up, did its stupid auto shock attack for no reason (few losses thankfully, but huge disruption and fatigue all of a sudden) and now has to sit still for a few days to get their breath back. I'm not pleased with this at all. Will be easier for my coastal Burmese force to cut the place off near Rangoon. There is a bit of reorganising going on at the moment - obviously I'm trying to get ships supplies and men into place to scare the socks of Raver with my next move. Cagey bastard is rushing his Chinese troops around - can't tell in which directions yet - but looks like he's going for the traditional holding action at Kwelin or WUchow while his troops filter back into the interior. once there . . .well they're probably going to Burma. Elation is underway! Finally. Hope to see some results from that soon.

Raverdave -> RE: To Hold PM or Not to Hold PM ? (11/11/2006 12:49:51 PM)
The reason that your units are "auto" attacking is because it is a river crossing.....any unit that moves over a river into a hex with an enemy unit will shock attack. Hence the reason for me pulling back to the OTHER side of the river. [:)]

Luskan -> RE: To Hold PM or Not to Hold PM ? (11/11/2006 12:50:54 PM)
I take Kuala Lumpur and lingayen this turn. My idiot divisino shows up at Rahaeng and the shock attack bug continues. Sigh. Will be a week before the 5 units there are ready to retake the place. Will cut them off in a turn or two and things will be easier. AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/28/41 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 148 troops unloading over beach at Arawe, 57,89 Japanese ground losses: 12 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 17 troops unloading over beach at Tacloban, 44,58 Japanese ground losses: 8 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 17 troops unloading over beach at Tacloban, 44,58 Japanese ground losses: 12 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 1st Burma Brigade, at 31,35 Japanese aircraft Ki-21 Sally x 20 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 39 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Aircraft Attacking: 20 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 15000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 56,89 Allied aircraft Hudson I x 3 No Allied losses Japanese Ships PG Hirotama Maru Aircraft Attacking: 3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Kuala Lumpur Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 75698 troops, 760 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 1190 Defending force 4012 troops, 19 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 3 Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 3 Japanese max assault: 1090 - adjusted assault: 1123 Allied max defense: 1 - adjusted defense: 15 Japanese assault odds: 74 to 1 (fort level 3) Japanese forces CAPTURE Kuala Lumpur base !!! Japanese ground losses: 34 casualties reported Allied ground losses: 357 casualties reported Guns lost 11 Defeated Allied Units Retreating! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Lingayen Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 14128 troops, 184 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 290 Defending force 1239 troops, 6 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 2 Japanese max assault: 275 - adjusted assault: 275 Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 3 Japanese assault odds: 91 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Lingayen base !!! Allied ground losses: 34 casualties reported Vehicles lost 1 Defeated Allied Units Retreating! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Rahaeng Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 22719 troops, 256 guns, 17 vehicles, Assault Value = 665 Defending force 5765 troops, 93 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 135 Japanese max assault: 572 - adjusted assault: 32 Allied max defense: 116 - adjusted defense: 301 Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese ground losses: 438 casualties reported Guns lost 12 Vehicles lost 1 Allied ground losses: 51 casualties reported Guns lost 4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Arawe Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 511 troops, 5 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 17 Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0 Japanese max assault: 14 - adjusted assault: 9 Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1 Japanese assault odds: 9 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Arawe base !!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Sarmi Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 492 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 17 Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0 Japanese max assault: 14 - adjusted assault: 5 Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1 Japanese assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Sarmi base !!!

Luskan -> RE: To Hold PM or Not to Hold PM ? (11/11/2006 1:04:04 PM)
Another quieter turn as my Burmese, Malayan and Phillipino Hammers roll forward. My periphery operations have completed their first stage - all of the solomons is now mine - most of northern PNG is, all of the PI except for Luzon, and most of Malaya is mine. Raver can't hold at Rangoon - but he'll try to hold me up while his uber fleet of transports from karachi reach Akyab with those indian brigades. Let him ;) AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/28/41 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 148 troops unloading over beach at Arawe, 57,89 Japanese ground losses: 12 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 17 troops unloading over beach at Tacloban, 44,58 Japanese ground losses: 8 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 17 troops unloading over beach at Tacloban, 44,58 Japanese ground losses: 12 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 1st Burma Brigade, at 31,35 Japanese aircraft Ki-21 Sally x 20 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 39 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Aircraft Attacking: 20 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 15000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 56,89 Allied aircraft Hudson I x 3 No Allied losses Japanese Ships PG Hirotama Maru Aircraft Attacking: 3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Kuala Lumpur Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 75698 troops, 760 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 1190 Defending force 4012 troops, 19 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 3 Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 3 Japanese max assault: 1090 - adjusted assault: 1123 Allied max defense: 1 - adjusted defense: 15 Japanese assault odds: 74 to 1 (fort level 3) Japanese forces CAPTURE Kuala Lumpur base !!! Japanese ground losses: 34 casualties reported Allied ground losses: 357 casualties reported Guns lost 11 Defeated Allied Units Retreating! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Lingayen Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 14128 troops, 184 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 290 Defending force 1239 troops, 6 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 2 Japanese max assault: 275 - adjusted assault: 275 Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 3 Japanese assault odds: 91 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Lingayen base !!! Allied ground losses: 34 casualties reported Vehicles lost 1 Defeated Allied Units Retreating! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Rahaeng Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 22719 troops, 256 guns, 17 vehicles, Assault Value = 665 Defending force 5765 troops, 93 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 135 Japanese max assault: 572 - adjusted assault: 32 Allied max defense: 116 - adjusted defense: 301 Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese ground losses: 438 casualties reported Guns lost 12 Vehicles lost 1 Allied ground losses: 51 casualties reported Guns lost 4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Arawe Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 511 troops, 5 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 17 Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0 Japanese max assault: 14 - adjusted assault: 9 Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1 Japanese assault odds: 9 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Arawe base !!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Sarmi Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 492 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 17 Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0 Japanese max assault: 14 - adjusted assault: 5 Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1 Japanese assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Sarmi base !!!

Raverdave -> RE: To Hold PM or Not to Hold PM ? (11/11/2006 1:12:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raverdave The reason that your units are "auto" attacking is because it is a river crossing.....any unit that moves over a river into a hex with an enemy unit will shock attack. Hence the reason for me pulling back to the OTHER side of the river.� [:)] BUMP

Luskan -> RE: To Hold PM or Not to Hold PM ? (11/11/2006 1:26:29 PM)
eh? wtf? I already had units ACROSS that river. The first one should shock attack (and establish a beachhead) the rest . . . well anyway. I'm across it now, and i'm mad.

Luskan -> RE: To Hold PM or Not to Hold PM ? (11/11/2006 2:18:15 PM)
Another ghost turn as things stay quiet. I bomb the burma rifles in the jungle and kill off 64 of them - not a bad start. I wear down Hangchow's fortifications again this turn (I do have a rather big army there - Raver unfortunately isn't actually trying to hold the place. He's pulling those chinese troops west in excellent order - Homan is absolutely bustling and i've got some recon going on to sort out where he's going to try and base them before the big push) and the troops will need a rest. I take yet another empty base in the middle of nowhere. I've had to pull some of my NLF units back to Rabaul and Kendari and Truk to rest - they've taken base after base since the war began and are almost as low as 50% in some cases. The good news here is I've got lots of new SNLF units that have taken over garrison duties (and a lot of base forces around too - I'm certainly not short on them at this point of the game. Operation Elation steams towards its distant target - dodging a few allied subs in the area without being detected. This punch isn't due to land for quite a while however. In Malaya my troops have had a two days rest, before resuming their long march - I had hoped to be in Singapore and Clark Airfield by new years (that turn was the 30th) but seems my boys will spend new years on the road. Raver is using his Burma River defence to try and hold me up - now I understand his deployment outside of Rangoon a bit better. I'll be bringing in some airpower to sort a bit of that out - but I've got a plan for something else in that area as well. A minor operation - code named Rooftop kicks off this turn - if there are any results, they'll be in tomorrow.

castor troy -> RE: To Hold PM or Not to Hold PM ? (11/11/2006 3:15:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Luskan eh? wtf? I already had units ACROSS that river.� The first one should shock attack (and establish a beachhead) the rest . . . well anyway.� I'm across it now, and i'm mad. No matter how many troops are across the river, every one that reinforces the other side has to do a shock attack.

Grotius -> RE: To Hold PM or Not to Hold PM ? (11/11/2006 7:44:11 PM)
Great to see you guys back at it! I know Luskan regards his turn 1 as a disappointment, but he's still advancing very nicely in the SRA. Raver, I'm curious: why didn't you negotiate a house rule limiting the extent of Luskan's attacks on turn 1? E.g., limit to the historical area, or maybe Mogami's "only attack within air support" rule or something. It sorta makes me cringe to see the IJN attack Borneo and Kendari on turn 1 -- places Cap & Gown made me fight for tooth and nail in January 1942! :)

Capt. Harlock -> Quiet Turns (11/11/2006 7:52:20 PM)
Stop me if I'm wrong, but it looks like Luskan posted the combat results for 12/28 twice -- what day are you lads up to now?

Luskan -> RE: Quiet Turns (11/12/2006 3:57:28 AM)
We're up to new years eve . . . Hi Grotius - we play the game for enjoyment, within the loose bounds of histocial plausibility. The game itself gets us in the ballpark area of plausible/possible, and we only make house rules to limit gamieness. We aren't after a historical simulation, we're after and enjoyable game, and the purpose of that game is to smash Raver to a pulp, repeatedly, and then scrape up his remains and feed him to stray cats. That said if I wanted to play a historic turn 1 - I'd turn that option on [;)] The japs achieved total surprise on turn 1 - so they should be allowed to get in their biggest sucker punch that they can. After that, it is all downhill and going the allies way (I will always go for a better game over a more truthful simulation, which is why I play stock!). I don't think it is fair (note - wouldn't be implausible) for me to use LBA to torp ships in Manila and Singapore harbour on turn 1, just because then Raver would have nothing to play with except APs and AKs for 6 months. After Turn 1 is a different matter. Lots of people playing PBEMs have very similar house rules for the same reasons. When I play the allies, I suggest the exact same house rules and love watching the Red units steamroll the map.

Raverdave -> RE: Quiet Turns (11/12/2006 12:34:15 PM)
[sm=00000734.gif] Just to echo what bollock-chops has said, I hate having so many house rules that I have to stop and read the six page list to see if what I want to do will not piss-off my opponent. So it is a case of getting slapped around for a year or so then steam-rolling my way back across the pacific to victory !

Raverdave -> RE: To Hold PM or Not to Hold PM ? (11/12/2006 12:36:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Luskan - but he'll try to hold me up while his uber fleet of transports from karachi reach Akyab with those indian brigades.� Let him ;) Actully I have something different waiting for you in Akyab. [:'(]

Luskan -> RE: Quiet Turns (11/12/2006 12:38:05 PM)
Ah another turn and another series of little dramas. Firstly, Operation Elation has misfired. I'm not sure how, but I have had to stick this operation on hold (this is the second operation I've started and had to pause halfway in so far this game - must be loosing my touch/nerve). Elation will continue, but will be at least a week delayed as I obviously hadn't sorted out my supply issues properly. Secondly, I'm pleased to announce a pair of joint operations, code named Bert & Boris. As usual I can't really reveal much about them until after the fact (but I'm sure if Raver has a think, he knows exactly what Bert and Boris are - Elation too for that matter). This turn had a bit more action, with my taking yet another little base or two, bombarding the crap out of Singkawang and Raver's boys out of Singapore smacking a MSW at Kuantan (damaged the AP too, but the supplies made it, and that is what matters). I also tried a night port attack on Soerbaja but it didn't work in the slightest. No news in Luzon or the PI or in Burma for that. In China Raver is playing silly buggers by trying to send individual chinese units behind the front to cause havoc. He's just getting them killed. Enjoy. AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/31/41 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Air attack on Soerabaja , at 22,65 Japanese aircraft G3M Nell x 8 G4M1 Betty x 11 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 8 x G3M Nell bombing at 6000 feet 11 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Singkawang, at 25,57 Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses Do 24K-2: 1 destroyed Brewster 339D: 1 destroyed Martin 139: 1 destroyed Japanese Ships CL Kashii DD Oshio DD Hibiki DD Akatsuki BB Kongo DD Kuretake DD Sanae DD Asagao DD Fuyo DD Karukaya BB Fuso Allied ground losses: 86 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Vehicles lost 1 Airbase hits 9 Airbase supply hits 3 Runway hits 46 Port supply hits 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Yokosuka 4th SNLF, at 44,52 Allied aircraft P-26A x 6 P-35A x 18 No Allied losses Aircraft Attacking: 18 x P-35A bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF at 27,54 Allied aircraft Buffalo I x 24 Blenheim IV x 10 Allied aircraft losses Blenheim IV: 1 damaged Japanese Ships BB Kongo BB Fuso Aircraft Attacking: 4 x Blenheim IV bombing at 6000 feet 2 x Blenheim IV bombing at 6000 feet 4 x Blenheim IV bombing at 6000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Kuantan at 24,47 Allied aircraft Buffalo I x 13 Vildebeest IV x 24 Blenheim IV x 8 No Allied losses Japanese Ships AK Akita Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire MSW W.2, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage Aircraft Attacking: 4 x Blenheim IV bombing at 6000 feet 2 x Vildebeest IV bombing at 5000 feet 2 x Vildebeest IV bombing at 5000 feet 4 x Blenheim IV bombing at 6000 feet 4 x Vildebeest IV bombing at 5000 feet 4 x Vildebeest IV bombing at 5000 feet 4 x Vildebeest IV bombing at 5000 feet 4 x Vildebeest IV bombing at 5000 feet 4 x Vildebeest IV bombing at 5000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on TF, near Finschafen at 55,87 Allied aircraft Wirraway x 3 No Allied losses Japanese Ships AK Ryujin Maru Aircraft Attacking: 3 x Wirraway bombing at 2000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Finschafen Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 487 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 17 Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0 Japanese max assault: 14 - adjusted assault: 3 Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1 Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Finschafen base !!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Hollandia Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 486 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 17 Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0 Japanese max assault: 14 - adjusted assault: 16 Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1 Japanese assault odds: 16 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Hollandia base !!!

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